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~~ChrisJagBoy~~ · 11-13-2022, 08:06 PM

(11-13-2022, 08:03 PM)StrayaJag Wrote:
(11-13-2022, 07:59 PM)Eric1 Wrote: 11 carries 45 yards

3 catches 28 yards

Contained fairly well

Contained early, and by the time he started running well we had to pass because we were in a hole. Still 4 yards/carry isn't bad.

Eric1 · 11-13-2022, 08:06 PM

(11-13-2022, 08:03 PM)StrayaJag Wrote:
(11-13-2022, 07:59 PM)Eric1 Wrote: 11 carries 45 yards

3 catches 28 yards

Contained fairly well

A couple of those carries were for negative yards as well.

Mikey · 11-14-2022, 10:17 AM

(11-10-2022, 01:10 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote:
(11-10-2022, 12:52 PM)Mikey Wrote: Even more crazy hypothetical - at that time Buffalo was (is?) very RB-needy and had eyes on Etienne. How deadly would they be if they pulled the trigger on a deal for pick 25?

What would you (the board, not Cleat specifically) have tooken to move?

as is their QB(s). Dude's got no chance up there.
Why is that? Get him some help on that oline and hes got some pretty good weapons. That D is pretty good as well when TJ Watt is healthy

are....are you arguing with my agreement to what you said?

Mikey · 11-14-2022, 10:22 AM

(11-13-2022, 07:52 PM)StrayaJag Wrote: How many yards did et have today?

Tough to lean on a run game when you're down 3 scores...which might be why so few value RBs early in the darft Wink

(11-13-2022, 08:06 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote:
(11-13-2022, 08:03 PM)StrayaJag Wrote: Contained fairly well

Contained early, and by the time he started running well we had to pass because we were in a hole. Still 4 yards/carry isn't bad.

misleading stat is misleading.

In related news, Jeff Saturday has a better winning record as a coach than Bill Belichick, Chuck Noll, Paul Brown, or Vince Lombardi.

StrayaJag · 11-14-2022, 08:15 PM

https://jaguarswire.usatoday.com/2022/11...rs-chiefs/

Intriguing comments

~~ChrisJagBoy~~ · 11-14-2022, 11:49 PM

(11-14-2022, 10:22 AM)Mikey Wrote:
(11-13-2022, 07:52 PM)StrayaJag Wrote: How many yards did et have today?

Tough to lean on a run game when you're down 3 scores...which might be why so few value RBs early in the darft

(11-13-2022, 08:06 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: Contained early, and by the time he started running well we had to pass because we were in a hole. Still 4 yards/carry isn't bad.

misleading stat is misleading.

In related news, Jeff Saturday has a better winning record as a coach than Bill Belichick, Chuck Noll, Paul Brown, or Vince Lombardi.

Misleading stat? Do you know how many games Derrick Henry went into the start of the 3rd quarter with 15 carries and like 25 yards, than had 140+ at the end? Sometimes a RB needs to get into a rhythm and he did start to play better later in the game but like I said, we got into a deep hole and had to pass. Which is why he had 10 carries, and not the typicaly 20+ he's had recently.

Mikey · 11-15-2022, 09:08 AM

(11-14-2022, 11:49 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote:
(11-14-2022, 10:22 AM)Mikey Wrote: Tough to lean on a run game when you're down 3 scores...which might be why so few value RBs early in the darft

misleading stat is misleading.

In related news, Jeff Saturday has a better winning record as a coach than Bill Belichick, Chuck Noll, Paul Brown, or Vince Lombardi.
Misleading stat? Do you know how many games Derrick Henry went into the start of the 3rd quarter with 15 carries and like 25 yards, than had 140+ at the end? Sometimes a RB needs to get into a rhythm and he did start to play better later in the game but like I said, we got into a deep hole and had to pass. Which is why he had 10 carries, and not the typicaly 20+ he's had recently.

@Marvin Jones averaged 33 yards a grab, he must be the best receiver on the team@

4 yards a carry can be a meaningful stat. 45 yards rushing is more meaningful. 11 carries is more meaningful. Long of 10 yards. The running game never got going. KC made it their focus, and they shut it all the way down. You're right, 4 yds/carry isn't bad. 45 yards rushing, however? Bad. Not Etienne's fault if the gameplan don't go his way, but it's still bad when the team ends up one-dimensional.

flgatorsandjags · 10-08-2023, 01:11 PM

(04-29-2021, 11:21 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: Stupid

Lol, a great pick and one of our best players

SamusAranX · 10-08-2023, 01:12 PM

Remember when everyone said he was a terrible pick? Pepperidge farm remembers

flgatorsandjags · 10-08-2023, 01:14 PM

(04-30-2021, 03:03 AM)Eric1 Wrote:
(04-30-2021, 02:46 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: If there was a redraft he would of went top 10

And if there was a redraft, Fournette would have went in the 4th round, instead of 4th overall in his draft class. Funny how hindsight is 3 years later though huh? Nobody cares about hindsight, you can play that game for nearly everybody.

Etienne was a bad pick at 25. Point, blank, period.

Was a damn good pick and one of the best backs in the league

Jag88 · 10-08-2023, 01:15 PM

(10-08-2023, 01:12 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: Remember when everyone said he was a terrible pick? Pepperidge farm remembers

Everyone did not say that. A lot of people hate a running back in the first round though no matter what. I loved the pick and said it on here at the time. Etn is fast.

**flsprtsgod** · 10-08-2023, 01:17 PM

I said that ETN is a fine player. Taking a RB in the 1st, especially for a bad team like that Jags team in 2021, is dumb.

“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

homebiscuit · 10-08-2023, 01:18 PM

A year-old thread was dredged up to gloat?

Wow.

WYjagsfan · 10-08-2023, 01:21 PM

He's a weapon more than just a RB

Actually all the top RBs in the league ,apart from Henry, are as big a receiving threat as they are a running threat

Eric1 · 10-08-2023, 01:22 PM

(10-08-2023, 01:14 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote:
(04-30-2021, 03:03 AM)Eric1 Wrote: And if there was a redraft, Fournette would have went in the 4th round, instead of 4th overall in his draft class. Funny how hindsight is 3 years later though huh? Nobody cares about hindsight, you can play that game for nearly everybody.

Etienne was a bad pick at 25. Point, blank, period.
Was a damn good pick and one of the best backs in the league

A RB in the 1st round will never be a good pick.

Luckily he turned into a good player, but it doesn't change the fact that you simply don't take RBs in the 1st round.

flgatorsandjags · 10-08-2023, 01:24 PM

(10-08-2023, 01:22 PM)Eric1 Wrote:
(10-08-2023, 01:14 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: Was a damn good pick and one of the best backs in the league

A RB in the 1st round will never be a good pick.

Luckily he turned into a good player, but it doesn't change the fact that you simply don't take RBs in the 1st round.

It was a damn good pick, it's no luck. He was always an elite back. He would likely be even better if he didn't miss is whole rookie year to an injury. You were wrong on it being a bad pick and I'm glad we got him where we did.

Eric1 · 10-08-2023, 01:26 PM

(10-08-2023, 01:24 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote:
(10-08-2023, 01:22 PM)Eric1 Wrote: A RB in the 1st round will never be a good pick.

Luckily he turned into a good player, but it doesn't change the fact that you simply don't take RBs in the 1st round.
It was a damn good pick, it's no luck. He was always an elite back. He would likely be even better if he didn't miss is whole rookie year to an injury. You were wrong on it being a bad pick and I'm glad we got him where we did.

Nope, RB in the 1st round will always be a bad pick. Especially for as bad as that team was when the pick was made. Thank god we were able to get Trevor though.

flgatorsandjags · 10-08-2023, 01:28 PM

(10-08-2023, 01:17 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: I said that ETN is a fine player. Taking a RB in the 1st, especially for a bad team like that Jags team in 2021, is dumb.

It was a smart pick and a damn good one. If the RB is the top player you take him. I really liked J Rob but we still needed to add another weapon at RB if one falls to and is the top player on the board, we got lucky and grabbed him

(10-08-2023, 01:26 PM)Eric1 Wrote:
(10-08-2023, 01:24 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: It was a damn good pick, it's no luck. He was always an elite back. He would likely be even better if he didn't miss is whole rookie year to an injury. You were wrong on it being a bad pick and I'm glad we got him where we did.

Nope, RB in the 1st round will always be a bad pick. Especially for as bad as that team was when the pick was made. Thank god we were able to get Trevor though.

We were bad then because we had no talent. You grab him to bring in elite talent and help the team him like he has done last year and like he is doing this year. You don't draft for position you take the best players

Eric1 · 10-08-2023, 01:31 PM

(10-08-2023, 01:28 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote:
(10-08-2023, 01:17 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: I said that ETN is a fine player. Taking a RB in the 1st, especially for a bad team like that Jags team in 2021, is dumb.

It was a smart pick and a damn good one. If the RB is the top player you take him. I really liked J Rob but we still needed to add another weapon at RB if one falls to and is the top player on the board, we got lucky and grabbed him

It was a lucky pick. Urbs was going to take awful Toney, but the Giants saved us from that misery.

SamusAranX · 10-08-2023, 01:31 PM

(10-08-2023, 01:26 PM)Eric1 Wrote:
(10-08-2023, 01:24 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: It was a damn good pick, it's no luck. He was always an elite back. He would likely be even better if he didn't miss is whole rookie year to an injury. You were wrong on it being a bad pick and I'm glad we got him where we did.

Nope, RB in the 1st round will always be a bad pick. Especially for as bad as that team was when the pick was made. Thank god we were able to get Trevor though.

If it’s late round 1st, which it was, I’m ok with it. If it was top 20, definitely better be the next AP or Emmitt Smith. At that point when ETN was picked, it’s basically 2nd round talent. If he were second round pick, everyone would write home run next to ETNs name. A difference of four picks.