I'd look to get rid of Josh Allen via trade, and look for a veteran pass rusher in free agency to fill the hole for a year. If there is a shutdown cant miss CB where we pick in the first, take it. After that, give me all offense.

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I'd look to get rid of Josh Allen via trade, and look for a veteran pass rusher in free agency to fill the hole for a year. If there is a shutdown cant miss CB where we pick in the first, take it. After that, give me all offense.

So spend more $$ on a Defense that already has record breaking $$ and draft resources spent on it? Didn't they just do that and it hasn't worked?

The Allen situation is one of the least of our worries and it's simple. Team friendly deal this off season, or he gets a chance to cash in his own bag on the 5th year option next year. Simple.

There's far bigger issues on Defense than Allen. Which is mainly all the $$ and resources they've already spent on it with little to nothing to show for it. Are the players they signed bad? Is the coaching bad? Is the scheme bad? Maybe a bit of all of that?

Regardless, people are harping on Allen when nobody else around him is doing anything either. There's a lot of other players on this Defense making a whole lot more $$ than Allen($3.6m) is this year.

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What is Walker's strength on the defense? The only time he has come in at the QB is from schematic pressures. Doesn't help that our coverage gives up the over the middle throw immediately but the pocket is generally not collapsing and the QB is very rarely harassed. Biggest disappointment this season for me.

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I'd look to get rid of Josh Allen via trade, and look for a veteran pass rusher in free agency to fill the hole for a year. If there is a shutdown cant miss CB where we pick in the first, take it. After that, give me all offense.

So spend more $$ on a Defense that already has record breaking $$ and draft resources spent on it? Didn't they just do that and it hasn't worked?

The Allen situation is one of the least of our worries and it's simple. Team friendly deal this off season, or he gets a chance to cash in his own bag on the 5th year option next year. Simple.

There's far bigger issues on Defense than Allen. Which is mainly all the $$ and resources they've already spent on it with little to nothing to show for it. Are the players they signed bad? Is the coaching bad? Is the scheme bad? Maybe a bit of all of that?

Regardless, people are harping on Allen when nobody else around him is doing anything either. There's a lot of other players on this Defense making a whole lot more $$ than Allen($3.6m) is this year.

"Fill the hole for a year" as in get an old vet on a cheap deal to fill the gap rather than giving JA a big contract he don't deserve. Yes he's cheap next year, but another year of no production isn't going to up his trade value.

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So spend more $$ on a Defense that already has record breaking $$ and draft resources spent on it? Didn't they just do that and it hasn't worked?

The Allen situation is one of the least of our worries and it's simple. Team friendly deal this off season, or he gets a chance to cash in his own bag on the 5th year option next year. Simple.

There's far bigger issues on Defense than Allen. Which is mainly all the $$ and resources they've already spent on it with little to nothing to show for it. Are the players they signed bad? Is the coaching bad? Is the scheme bad? Maybe a bit of all of that?

Regardless, people are harping on Allen when nobody else around him is doing anything either. There's a lot of other players on this Defense making a whole lot more $$ than Allen($3.6m) is this year.

"Fill the hole for a year" as in get an old vet on a cheap deal to fill the gap rather than giving JA a big contract he don't deserve. Yes he's cheap next year, but another year of no production isn't going to up his trade value.

So you want to trade away a 25 year old and replace him with an old aging vet for 1 year. Yea that sounds like a great idea......

And who the [BLEEP] is talking about giving him a big contract... I clearly said this [BLEEP] is SIMPLE. Offer him a team friendly deal, or let him play out the 5th year option and see if he can cash in his own bag.

But I shouldn't be surprised considering you all but want to get rid of a 23 year old Franchise QB after 25 games.

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"Fill the hole for a year" as in get an old vet on a cheap deal to fill the gap rather than giving JA a big contract he don't deserve. Yes he's cheap next year, but another year of no production isn't going to up his trade value.

So you want to trade away a 25 year old and replace him with an old aging vet for 1 year. Yea that sounds like a great idea......

And who the [BLEEP] is talking about giving him a big contract... I clearly said this [BLEEP] is SIMPLE. Offer him a team friendly deal, or let him play out the 5th year option and see if he can cash in his own bag.

But I shouldn't be surprised considering you all but want to get rid of a 23 year old Franchise QB after 25 games.

I think people are just anxious. We want Allen to be elite and pay him a second contract. So far he hasn't earnt that. I think people are just worried he'll be another good but not great player that leaves after his rookie deal. And probably becomes very productive for another team. Becausejaguars. Also he's the most tradable asset we have.

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A large market so we can start getting favorable calls from refs.

Hey, be careful what you wish for. I don't want to have to travel to London for *every* home game. ;-)

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I'm condescending. That means I talk down to you. 
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Consistency from Doug Pederson. Team preparation and play calling seems a little erratic.

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So you want to trade away a 25 year old and replace him with an old aging vet for 1 year. Yea that sounds like a great idea......

And who the [BLEEP] is talking about giving him a big contract... I clearly said this [BLEEP] is SIMPLE. Offer him a team friendly deal, or let him play out the 5th year option and see if he can cash in his own bag.

But I shouldn't be surprised considering you all but want to get rid of a 23 year old Franchise QB after 25 games.

I think people are just anxious. We want Allen to be elite and pay him a second contract. So far he hasn't earnt that. I think people are just worried he'll be another good but not great player that leaves after his rookie deal.  And probably becomes very productive for another team. Becausejaguars. Also he's the most tradable asset we have.

Good?  Right now, he's not even a good player.  As a rookie, he looked like he could become a great player.  But since then, his performance has slowly withered and died.  Right now, he's just a body out there taking up a spot.  It's a mystery what the hell has happened to him.

He'll get another year, because of the guaranteed salary for the 5th year option.  But, dang, what in the world is going on with him?

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I think people are just anxious. We want Allen to be elite and pay him a second contract. So far he hasn't earnt that. I think people are just worried he'll be another good but not great player that leaves after his rookie deal.  And probably becomes very productive for another team. Becausejaguars. Also he's the most tradable asset we have.

Good?  Right now, he's not even a good player.  As a rookie, he looked like he could become a great player.  But since then, his performance has slowly withered and died.  Right now, he's just a body out there taking up a spot.  It's a mystery what the hell has happened to him.

He'll get another year, because of the guaranteed salary for the 5th year option.  But, dang, what in the world is going on with him?

He's a good player but certainly not an elite pass rusher. Can be very effective if there's a stud opposite him, like his rookie year, but can't carry the load himself. You're unlikely to find anything better in FA that's for sure.

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Good?  Right now, he's not even a good player.  As a rookie, he looked like he could become a great player.  But since then, his performance has slowly withered and died.  Right now, he's just a body out there taking up a spot.  It's a mystery what the hell has happened to him.

He'll get another year, because of the guaranteed salary for the 5th year option.  But, dang, what in the world is going on with him?

He's a good player but certainly not an elite pass rusher. Can be very effective if there's a stud opposite him, like his rookie year, but can't carry the load himself. You're unlikely to find anything better in FA that's for sure.

Right now he's being single blocked.  What is a stud opposite going to do?  Leave him unblocked?

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Listen to what you're saying though. Because we lost Campbell and Ngakoue he's basically been completely washed out as an effective pass rusher.

He was drafted to eventually and inevitably replace those guys as a starter. With little to no drop off up front. It's been nonexistent.

They went out and drafted Chaisson. Bust. They went out and signed Key, Fatukasi and drafted Walker. They spent a [BLEEP] ton of money to improve the defensive personnel around him and he's still a non factor.

This has been one of the worst pass rushing defenses I can remember in franchise history. Not as bad as the 2009 squad. But, it's anemic to put it lightly. Especially for a team in 2022 that has all of these supposed great athletes on it.

At some point you have to look at the player for what he is. Going to be a real pisser next year when they draft Jalen Carter and Travon Walker flashes more than a 5th year player not making any impact and we passed up on a receiver like Quentin Johnston to essentially have another wash on defense in the pass rushing department.

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And all that money they spent isn't doing much of anything. Allen can't do it all by himself, he needs help. If you expect him to be Garrett, Parsons, Bosas etc, then that's on you for assuming that. He isn't those guys and he wont ever be. Still doesn't mean he's not a good player.

Key is underwhelming at best, Foley is a run stopper and Walker is raw. Looks more like they spent a bunch of money on guys who aren't really any good.

Are you kidding me? It's on me for assuming a guy coming out of Kentucky, that was drafted 7th overall and considered a top three - five prospect from his class failing to live up his draft status? Get out of here with that nonsense man. 7 sacks in 2016, 7 sacks in 2017, 17 [BLEEP] sacks in 2018. Had 10.5 sacks as a rookie. Has not hit nowhere close to double digit sacks since then. 

I didn't say he was a bad player nor a good player. He's simply not living up to the draft status and we all know damn WELL that this front office drafted him to be a guy like Bosa, at the minimum. Joey Bosa and Nick Bosa are pretty good pass rushers. Nick's probably a little bit better than his older brother but Josh Allen has the same physical make up and speed as Joey and there's no reason NOT to have the expectation, in a PASS [BLEEP] HAPPY ERA OF FOOTBALL with 17 GAMES NOW, for Allen to at least get close to 10.0 sacks per year. 

Looks like they spent a bunch of money on a lot of players that aren't really any good. Yes and then again no. Is it everybody else's fault when Josh Allen has a ONE ON [BLEEP] ONE opportunity and he just puts his arms in his blocker's chest and tries to waltz him into the QB? He [BLEEP] sucks. Stop defending mediocre play and "almost" there stats.

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Allen has regressed from earlier in the season. Will Anderson will likely be the top guy on our board followed by Jalen Carter

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All this talk of addressing the pass rush with a high draft pick is painful. Pass rush has been address so much in the first round the last several years that its like throwing good money after bad. Im not saying that pass rush doesnt need to be addressed but I am saying they need to look elsewhere in round 1 and probably 2. If the Jags would've spent the same capital on WR's that they have pass rush then they would have an awesome WR core.

So I say the round 1 pick needs to be a WR if there is one good enough to take in the slot area.

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All this talk of addressing the pass rush with a high draft pick is painful. Pass rush has been address so much in the first round the last several years that its like throwing good money after bad. Im not saying that pass rush doesnt need to be addressed but I am saying they need to look elsewhere in round 1 and probably 2. If the Jags would've spent the same capital on WR's that they have pass rush then they would have an awesome WR core.

So I say the round 1 pick needs to be a WR if there is one good enough to take in the slot area.

But it hasn't, that's the problem.  We missed on them all.  

As in the 2nd bolded, not if we took the wrong WR.  What if we took Jalen Reagor like the Eagles did instead of Chaisson?  We would still be in the same position.  We just have to pick good players regardless of position.   Almost all our plays have been bad picks, that why we are in this position now.

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All this talk of addressing the pass rush with a high draft pick is painful. Pass rush has been address so much in the first round the last several years that its like throwing good money after bad. Im not saying that pass rush doesnt need to be addressed but I am saying they need to look elsewhere in round 1 and probably 2. If the Jags would've spent the same capital on WR's that they have pass rush then they would have an awesome WR core.

So I say the round 1 pick needs to be a WR if there is one good enough to take in the slot area.

But it hasn't, that's the problem.  We missed on them all.  

As in the 2nd bolded, not if we took the wrong WR.  What if we took Jalen Reagor like the Eagles did instead of Chaisson?  We would still be in the same position.  We just have to pick good players regardless of position.   Almost all our plays have been bad picks, that why we are in this position now.

You are right, I should not assume the WR core would be awesome with the clowns that were making the picks. I just cant see spending more first rounders on pass rush when its failed so bad the last several years. Take a shot at at number 1 WR and give these other assets time to grow/improve, and maybe spend money on a FA if something good is there.

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A large market so we can start getting favorable calls from refs.

Hey, be careful what you wish for. I don't want to have to travel to London for *every* home game. ;-)

We just need more of those out-of-state transplants to settle around Jacksonville.

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I know some people are just saying "offense", but to me, you draft position by position.  Turning your weaknesses into strengths is the best way to improve a team.  I see our biggest needs as the following:

1.  Cornerback - We save $13 million by cutting Griffin, so he is all but gone.  I think Herndon sucks, but even if he didn't, he's a free agent too.  Claybrooks is good at special teams, but terrible at cornerback.  Brown is a seventh rounder who has played minimally.  This is a huge need.

2.  Pass Rusher - Ideally, this would come from up the middle of the defensive line, but however we improve the pass rush, we need to improve it.  The team is currently ranked 27th in sacks.  Development from Travon Walker will help but isn't enough.

3.  Wide Receiver - I like Ridley and Kirk, but ideally you want 3 good wide receivers.  It would be nice if Zay Jones could be our #4 receiver.

Ideally, I would want those positions as our Day 1 and Day 2 picks.  I will say that those positions are close enough in need that value would likely determine the order taken.

We have 2 fourth round picks this year.  My preference would be left guard.  It is a position that often drops in the draft.  I would love it if we got someone that could beat out Bartch.  If he doesn't, we can still use him for depth.

The other fourth rounder would likely be tight end for me.  I'm assuming Engram resigns, but even if so, I'm guessing Dan Arnold leaves.  We need a player to develop for the future.  Tight end is another position that often drops in the draft.  However, it is also a position that can take time to learn.  As such, I don't like the idea of letting Engram go and relying on a rookie as our opening day starter.

For the 5th-7th rounds, those are depth picks.  I will mention two positions.  I think we need a power running back.  I think it is one of the big factors that has hurt us in the red zone.  We don't have a great short yardage runner.  It would also be very beneficial on 3rd and 1 and 4th and 1 situations.  The good news is that running backs sometimes drop and this is particularly true of one dimensional running backs.

I'll also mention kicker.  If there's one worthy of being drafted late, then draft him.

I also don't oppose using some of our late round picks to trade up.

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I know some people are just saying "offense", but to me, you draft position by position.  Turning your weaknesses into strengths is the best way to improve a team.  I see our biggest needs as the following:

1.  Cornerback - We save $13 million by cutting Griffin, so he is all but gone.  I think Herndon sucks, but even if he didn't, he's a free agent too.  Claybrooks is good at special teams, but terrible at cornerback.  Brown is a seventh rounder who has played minimally.  This is a huge need.

2.  Pass Rusher - Ideally, this would come from up the middle of the defensive line, but however we improve the pass rush, we need to improve it.  The team is currently ranked 27th in sacks.  Development from Travon Walker will help but isn't enough.

3.  Wide Receiver - I like Ridley and Kirk, but ideally you want 3 good wide receivers.  It would be nice if Zay Jones could be our #4 receiver.

Ideally, I would want those positions as our Day 1 and Day 2 picks.  I will say that those positions are close enough in need that value would likely determine the order taken.

We have 2 fourth round picks this year.  My preference would be left guard.  It is a position that often drops in the draft.  I would love it if we got someone that could beat out Bartch.  If he doesn't, we can still use him for depth.

The other fourth rounder would likely be tight end for me.  I'm assuming Engram resigns, but even if so, I'm guessing Dan Arnold leaves.  We need a player to develop for the future.  Tight end is another position that often drops in the draft.  However, it is also a position that can take time to learn.  As such, I don't like the idea of letting Engram go and relying on a rookie as our opening day starter.

For the 5th-7th rounds, those are depth picks.  I will mention two positions.  I think we need a power running back.  I think it is one of the big factors that has hurt us in the red zone.  We don't have a great short yardage runner.  It would also be very beneficial on 3rd and 1 and 4th and 1 situations.  The good news is that running backs sometimes drop and this is particularly true of one dimensional running backs.

I'll also mention kicker.  If there's one worthy of being drafted late, then draft him.

I also don't oppose using some of our late round picks to trade up.

Drafting defense is the surest way to keep us in single digit wins every year.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

I know some people are just saying "offense", but to me, you draft position by position.  Turning your weaknesses into strengths is the best way to improve a team.  I see our biggest needs as the following:

1.  Cornerback - We save $13 million by cutting Griffin, so he is all but gone.  I think Herndon sucks, but even if he didn't, he's a free agent too.  Claybrooks is good at special teams, but terrible at cornerback.  Brown is a seventh rounder who has played minimally.  This is a huge need.

2.  Pass Rusher - Ideally, this would come from up the middle of the defensive line, but however we improve the pass rush, we need to improve it.  The team is currently ranked 27th in sacks.  Development from Travon Walker will help but isn't enough.

3.  Wide Receiver - I like Ridley and Kirk, but ideally you want 3 good wide receivers.  It would be nice if Zay Jones could be our #4 receiver.

Ideally, I would want those positions as our Day 1 and Day 2 picks.  I will say that those positions are close enough in need that value would likely determine the order taken.

We have 2 fourth round picks this year.  My preference would be left guard.  It is a position that often drops in the draft.  I would love it if we got someone that could beat out Bartch.  If he doesn't, we can still use him for depth.

The other fourth rounder would likely be tight end for me.  I'm assuming Engram resigns, but even if so, I'm guessing Dan Arnold leaves.  We need a player to develop for the future.  Tight end is another position that often drops in the draft.  However, it is also a position that can take time to learn.  As such, I don't like the idea of letting Engram go and relying on a rookie as our opening day starter.

For the 5th-7th rounds, those are depth picks.  I will mention two positions.  I think we need a power running back.  I think it is one of the big factors that has hurt us in the red zone.  We don't have a great short yardage runner.  It would also be very beneficial on 3rd and 1 and 4th and 1 situations.  The good news is that running backs sometimes drop and this is particularly true of one dimensional running backs.

I'll also mention kicker.  If there's one worthy of being drafted late, then draft him.

I also don't oppose using some of our late round picks to trade up.

Drafting defense is the surest way to keep us in single digit wins every year.

Blah blah blah BAP blah blah blah

Gimme speed and a plethora of offensive talent. Keep accumulating no matter how you do it.

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