He's playing much better.  If he continues to improve and play good the rest of the season, our best chance of success is to build this defense. With ETN, Ridley, Kirk, Zay, and bring back Engram we have a good set of weapons.  I'd try to add to the oline a bit but we have to continue to try and add to this D.  Number 1 we need to get rid of Caldwell.

Not enough.

This is also assuming Ridley comes back as the same player and that's definitely not a guarantee. If Ridley doesn't come back as the same guy, then what? People will be screaming the FO should have added another WR. Zay is just a guy. I definitely want to bring back Engram but I also want to add another WR in the draft as well as a TE in round 3 or 4. Imagine an offense of Ridley, Johnson, Kirk, Zay as WR4, Engram and ETN. Those are playmakers that make the defense actually worry.

They spent almost their entire draft in 2022 on defense and now you wanna run it back again?

The WR corps with Ridley is much better than our LB group and dline.  I'm not saying don't draft a WR or TE but it's lower on the needs than DL, CB and oline imo.  What they did on defense last year wasn't enough, I'd absolutely continue to build this D.

---

He's playing much better.  If he continues to improve and play good the rest of the season, our best chance of success is to build this defense. With ETN, Ridley, Kirk, Zay, and bring back Engram we have a good set of weapons.  I'd try to add to the oline a bit but we have to continue to try and add to this D.  Number 1 we need to get rid of Caldwell.

Not enough.

This is also assuming Ridley comes back as the same player and that's definitely not a guarantee. If Ridley doesn't come back as the same guy, then what? People will be screaming the FO should have added another WR. Zay is just a guy. I definitely want to bring back Engram but I also want to add another WR in the draft as well as a TE in round 3 or 4. Imagine an offense of Ridley, Johnson, Kirk, Zay as WR4, Engram and ETN. Those are playmakers that make the defense actually worry.

They spent almost their entire draft in 2022 on defense and now you wanna run it back again?

Zay is more than just a guy when he's your 3rd WR.  Zay is a damn good number 3 WR.  You have been saying he is trash and he proves you wrong almost every week with huge catches

---

Trevor has played very well in 5 games this year. That's no shock to most of us.

I wonder if seeing him harassed yesterday is opening any eyes about the lack of protection he gets each week.

He came into this game as the 9th most hurried QB in the league. I'd bet he moves in the wrong direction in those rankings after that game.

---

Not enough.

This is also assuming Ridley comes back as the same player and that's definitely not a guarantee. If Ridley doesn't come back as the same guy, then what? People will be screaming the FO should have added another WR. Zay is just a guy. I definitely want to bring back Engram but I also want to add another WR in the draft as well as a TE in round 3 or 4. Imagine an offense of Ridley, Johnson, Kirk, Zay as WR4, Engram and ETN. Those are playmakers that make the defense actually worry.

They spent almost their entire draft in 2022 on defense and now you wanna run it back again?

Zay is more than just a guy when he's your 3rd WR.  Zay is a damn good number 3 WR.  You have been saying he is trash and he proves you wrong almost every week with huge catches

Hahahaha

2 things.

1. I have never said he's trash but that he's just a guy. He's nothing special.
2. His stats prove this. He's cracked 50 yards 4 times. He has 1 TD. His longest catch is 22 yards. No defense gameplans for Zay Jones and I want an offense that people fear. I want more speed and more playmakers to put the defense on their heels.

Zay has been fine this year but he's a product of necessity. If anything, his season has proven me right.

---

Zay is more than just a guy when he's your 3rd WR.  Zay is a damn good number 3 WR.  You have been saying he is trash and he proves you wrong almost every week with huge catches

Hahahaha

2 things.

1. I have never said he's trash but that he's just a guy. He's nothing special.
2. His stats prove this. He's cracked 50 yards 4 times. He has 1 TD. His longest catch is 22 yards. No defense gameplans for Zay Jones and I want an offense that people fear. I want more speed and more playmakers to put the defense on their heels.

Zay has been fine this year but he's a product of necessity. If anything, his season has proven me right.

This team is in no position to take advantage of downfield speed until they can protect the QB unfortunately. 
Zay (and others)  run wide open frequently downfield every week pointlessly while Trevor evades pressure and can't deliver it to them on time.

---

Zay is more than just a guy when he's your 3rd WR.  Zay is a damn good number 3 WR.  You have been saying he is trash and he proves you wrong almost every week with huge catches

Hahahaha

2 things.

1. I have never said he's trash but that he's just a guy. He's nothing special.
2. His stats prove this. He's cracked 50 yards 4 times. He has 1 TD. His longest catch is 22 yards. No defense gameplans for Zay Jones and I want an offense that people fear. I want more speed and more playmakers to put the defense on their heels.

Zay has been fine this year but he's a product of necessity. If anything, his season has proven me right.

Hahaha

1. Yes you did

2.  He wasnt brought in to be our number 1 WR.  Hes a good number 3 option, you have been proven wrong once again.

---

Hahahaha

2 things.

1. I have never said he's trash but that he's just a guy. He's nothing special.
2. His stats prove this. He's cracked 50 yards 4 times. He has 1 TD. His longest catch is 22 yards. No defense gameplans for Zay Jones and I want an offense that people fear. I want more speed and more playmakers to put the defense on their heels.

Zay has been fine this year but he's a product of necessity. If anything, his season has proven me right.

This team is in no position to take advantage of downfield speed until they can protect the QB unfortunately. 
Zay (and others)  run wide open frequently downfield every week pointlessly while Trevor evades pressure and can't deliver it to them on time.

We need to build the trenches on both sides of the ball.  Something we can't get right

---

Hahahaha

2 things.

1. I have never said he's trash but that he's just a guy. He's nothing special.
2. His stats prove this. He's cracked 50 yards 4 times. He has 1 TD. His longest catch is 22 yards. No defense gameplans for Zay Jones and I want an offense that people fear. I want more speed and more playmakers to put the defense on their heels.

Zay has been fine this year but he's a product of necessity. If anything, his season has proven me right.

Hahaha

1. Yes you did

2.  He wasnt brought in to be our number 1 WR.  Hes a good number 3 option, you have been proven wrong once again.

---

This team is in no position to take advantage of downfield speed until they can protect the QB unfortunately. 
Zay (and others)  run wide open frequently downfield every week pointlessly while Trevor evades pressure and can't deliver it to them on time.

We need to build the trenches on both sides of the ball.  Something we can't get right

I don't care if he's a "good" WR3. The Jags can upgrade him and they should. He can still be on the roster next season but they need more speed and playmakers at the WR spot. Again, you're banking on Ridley being the exact same guy he was before he got suspended. I hope he is but I'm not going to put all my chips in. The Jags need to continue to be aggressive in getting Trevor more weapons. Fins did it. Cards did it. Bills did it. Chiefs did it.

And Zay isn't the #3 option. He is 2nd on the team in targets. 

Zay has been extremely average this season. Explain to me how I'm wrong if the guy is only averaging 46 yards a game? How is that anything other than an average "just a guy" WR?

---

Hahaha

1. Yes you did

2.  He wasnt brought in to be our number 1 WR.  Hes a good number 3 option, you have been proven wrong once again.

---

We need to build the trenches on both sides of the ball.  Something we can't get right

I don't care if he's a "good" WR3. The Jags can upgrade him and they should. He can still be on the roster next season but they need more speed and playmakers at the WR spot. Again, you're banking on Ridley being the exact same guy he was before he got suspended. I hope he is but I'm not going to put all my chips in. The Jags need to continue to be aggressive in getting Trevor more weapons. Fins did it. Cards did it. Bills did it. Chiefs did it.

And Zay isn't the #3 option. He is 2nd on the team in targets. 

Zay has been extremely average this season. Explain to me how I'm wrong if the guy is only averaging 46 yards a game? How is that anything other than an average "just a guy" WR?

You can say this about everyone on this team.  Everyone can be upgraded.  I think the oline as a group is weaker than this WR corps. He's the 3rd option at WR, much bigger problems to worry about imo

---

Not enough.

This is also assuming Ridley comes back as the same player and that's definitely not a guarantee. If Ridley doesn't come back as the same guy, then what? People will be screaming the FO should have added another WR. Zay is just a guy. I definitely want to bring back Engram but I also want to add another WR in the draft as well as a TE in round 3 or 4. Imagine an offense of Ridley, Johnson, Kirk, Zay as WR4, Engram and ETN. Those are playmakers that make the defense actually worry.

They spent almost their entire draft in 2022 on defense and now you wanna run it back again?

The WR corps with Ridley is much better than our LB group and dline.  I'm not saying don't draft a WR or TE but it's lower on the needs than DL, CB and oline imo.  What they did on defense last year wasn't enough, I'd absolutely continue to build this D.

Wrong, wrong, wrong. The NFL is an offense league, it's time this team quit wasting its valuable capital on the side of the ball that doesn't matter. Once we have a Greatest Show on Turf caliber offense then we can worry about the defense. Until we're easily top 5 in offense then offense is where we need to put all our efforts. We've been building this team exactly backwards since TC got here a few years ago. It's time to modernize around Doug, Trevor, and their talents.

---

“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

I remember Josh Allen being absolutely booty cheeks in year 1 and made slight improvements in year 2 but still had some stinker games. Our guy is improving in a similar fashion and perhaps in year 3 we'll see that jump to put him on the level of where a #1 overall QB should be

---

Not enough.

This is also assuming Ridley comes back as the same player and that's definitely not a guarantee. If Ridley doesn't come back as the same guy, then what? People will be screaming the FO should have added another WR. Zay is just a guy. I definitely want to bring back Engram but I also want to add another WR in the draft as well as a TE in round 3 or 4. Imagine an offense of Ridley, Johnson, Kirk, Zay as WR4, Engram and ETN. Those are playmakers that make the defense actually worry.

They spent almost their entire draft in 2022 on defense and now you wanna run it back again?

The WR corps with Ridley is much better than our LB group and dline.  I'm not saying don't draft a WR or TE but it's lower on the needs than DL, CB and oline imo.  What they did on defense last year wasn't enough, I'd absolutely continue to build this D.

I can't man. If Johnston blows up the combine and they bypass him like they did Metcalf and Jefferson? I think ill [BLEEP] explode.

Same argument of Carter making a woefully disappointing Allen better, in a contract year, can also be applied to a WR1 making Ridley, Kirk and Zay that much more explosive as an overall unit.

I want a Jefferson type receiver on our team man. I want an Adams or a Hill. You have to draft those guys early if the stat sheet translates to the combine results.



Sent from my SM-S906U using Tapatalk

---

"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

The WR corps with Ridley is much better than our LB group and dline.  I'm not saying don't draft a WR or TE but it's lower on the needs than DL, CB and oline imo.  What they did on defense last year wasn't enough, I'd absolutely continue to build this D.

Wrong, wrong, wrong. The NFL is an offense league, it's time this team quit wasting its valuable capital on the side of the ball that doesn't matter. Once we have a Greatest Show on Turf caliber offense then we can worry about the defense. Until we're easily top 5 in offense then offense is where we need to put all our efforts. We've been building this team exactly backwards since TC got here a few years ago. It's time to modernize around Doug, Trevor, and their talents.

Agreed.  There are only two good reasons to invest heavily in defense.  (1) You're in QB purgatory.  (2) you've just lost a playoff game in a shootout.   Jags need to get to the playoffs first.  Last off-season it was understandable to hedge and doubt Trevor.  Next off-season it is not. Regardless of how the rest of this season plays out, 3rd year Trevor is the only thing worth betting the 2023 season on.

---

My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

The WR corps with Ridley is much better than our LB group and dline.  I'm not saying don't draft a WR or TE but it's lower on the needs than DL, CB and oline imo.  What they did on defense last year wasn't enough, I'd absolutely continue to build this D.

I can't man. If Johnston blows up the combine and they bypass him like they did Metcalf and Jefferson? I think ill [BLEEP] explode.

Same argument of Carter making a woefully disappointing Allen better, in a contract year, can also be applied to a WR1 making Ridley, Kirk and Zay that much more explosive as an overall unit.

I want a Jefferson type receiver on our team man. I want an Adams or a Hill. You have to draft those guys early if the stat sheet translates to the combine results.



Sent from my SM-S906U using Tapatalk

Who doesn't?  JJ was the 5th WR drafted and Hill was taken in the 5th round.  If you think WR is the next JJ you absolutely take him but you don't just draft a WR just to draft one.  If you feel that way about him he's the top player on your board so just stick to your board and take your top player.  You don't pass up elite players on D though just to draft a WR and just ignore one side of the ball.  Take whoever you feel is the best player.

---

I don't care if he's a "good" WR3. The Jags can upgrade him and they should. He can still be on the roster next season but they need more speed and playmakers at the WR spot. Again, you're banking on Ridley being the exact same guy he was before he got suspended. I hope he is but I'm not going to put all my chips in. The Jags need to continue to be aggressive in getting Trevor more weapons. Fins did it. Cards did it. Bills did it. Chiefs did it.

And Zay isn't the #3 option. He is 2nd on the team in targets. 

Zay has been extremely average this season. Explain to me how I'm wrong if the guy is only averaging 46 yards a game? How is that anything other than an average "just a guy" WR?

You can say this about everyone on this team.  Everyone can be upgraded.  I think the oline as a group is weaker than this WR corps.  He's the 3rd option at WR, much bigger problems to worry about imo

You keep saying this as if it's true.

He's 2nd in targets on the team which means he's the #2 option and he's only averaging 46 yards a game.

I also would like to know where I'm wrong when I'm saying Zay is average and just a guy.

---

https://twitter.com/_John_Shipley/status...06NOZcTkhw

"Davis Mills and Mac Jones are better than Trevor......"

---

https://www.nfl.com/stats/player-stats/

Pretty interesting to compare Trevor and Herbert. They are basically putting up identical numbers.

---

Hahahaha

2 things.

1. I have never said he's trash but that he's just a guy. He's nothing special.
2. His stats prove this. He's cracked 50 yards 4 times. He has 1 TD. His longest catch is 22 yards. No defense gameplans for Zay Jones and I want an offense that people fear. I want more speed and more playmakers to put the defense on their heels.

Zay has been fine this year but he's a product of necessity. If anything, his season has proven me right.

This team is in no position to take advantage of downfield speed until they can protect the QB unfortunately. 
Zay (and others)  run wide open frequently downfield every week pointlessly while Trevor evades pressure and can't deliver it to them on time.

You latch onto one stat, ignoring all others or any context, and try to build an entire narrative off it. It’s pretty funny to watch, actually.

Which starting QB is the best in the league because he’s got the longest pressure time at 2.6 seconds?  Yeah, that’s right.  Justin Fields.

Which starting QB has exactly the same pressure time as TL so has exactly the performance.  Oh, that’s right. Joe Burrow.

Burrow’s stats are actually quite interesting and a lesson in context.  JB and TL each average 2.3 seconds from snap to throw or pressure.  JB has been sacked 30 times, TL 17.  JB has been knocked down 30 times, TL 22.  So he’s really under the pump, eh?

And now the interesting thing happens.  JB has been hurried just 11 times while TL has been 23 times. Wait, you mean JB is staying in the pocket and taking hits in order to orchestrate the play while TL flees rather than stand fast?  No, colour me surprised!  I must be seeing things wrong, surely JB is facing far more difficult rushes.  Nope.  JB has been blitzed 57 times and TL 81.  It almost like the opposition knows they can flush out the rabbit with just a little pressure.

But JB doesn’t have time to throw deep,either, right?  Just like you claim with TL?  Yet again, another attempted narrative busted.

Completions. 10+.   20+.   30+.  40+.   50+

JB.                96.      29.     12.     8.       4
TL.                97.      24.      6.      2.       0

But, but, but surely JB is throwing the ball even more than TL.  And again, wrong. JB has 333 attempts, TL has 348.

And yes, the QB ratings reflect the performance disparity.  So I call your attempt to deflect all of TL’s shortcomings onto the line busted.  The determinative factor in QB performance is not the number of seconds before he’s pressured.  It’s his actual performance.  TL is on a Terry Bridgewater career path.

https://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/advanced-stats-qb.php

---

This team is in no position to take advantage of downfield speed until they can protect the QB unfortunately. 
Zay (and others)  run wide open frequently downfield every week pointlessly while Trevor evades pressure and can't deliver it to them on time.

You latch onto one stat, ignoring all others or any context, and try to build an entire narrative off it. It’s pretty funny to watch, actually.

Which starting QB is the best in the league because he’s got the longest pressure time at 2.6 seconds?  Yeah, that’s right.  Justin Fields.

Which starting QB has exactly the same pressure time as TL so has exactly the performance.  Oh, that’s right. Joe Burrow.

Burrow’s stats are actually quite interesting and a lesson in context.  JB and TL each average 2.3 seconds from snap to throw or pressure.  JB has been sacked 30 times, TL 17.  JB has been knocked down 30 times, TL 22.  So he’s really under the pump, eh?

And now the interesting thing happens.  JB has been hurried just 11 times while TL has been 23 times. Wait, you mean JB is staying in the pocket and taking hits in order to orchestrate the play while TL flees rather than stand fast?  No, colour me surprised!  I must be seeing things wrong, surely JB is facing far more difficult rushes.  Nope.  JB has been blitzed 57 times and TL 81.  It almost like the opposition knows they can flush out the rabbit with just a little pressure.

But JB doesn’t have time to throw deep,either, right?  Just like you claim with TL?  Yet again, another attempted narrative busted.

Completions. 10+.   20+.   30+.  40+.   50+

JB.                96.      29.     12.     8.       4
TL.                97.      24.      6.      2.       0

But, but, but surely JB is throwing the ball even more than TL.  And again, wrong. JB has 333 attempts, TL has 348.

And yes, the QB ratings reflect the performance disparity.  So I call your attempt to deflect all of TL’s shortcomings onto the line busted.  The determinative factor in QB performance is not the number of seconds before he’s pressured.  It’s his actual performance.  TL is on a Terry Bridgewater career path.

https://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/advanced-stats-qb.php

Who cares. Give Trevor Tee Higgins and Jamar Chase hahaha

https://twitter.com/QBKlass/status/15922...sLOCWto1kg

---

This team is in no position to take advantage of downfield speed until they can protect the QB unfortunately. 
Zay (and others)  run wide open frequently downfield every week pointlessly while Trevor evades pressure and can't deliver it to them on time.

You latch onto one stat, ignoring all others or any context, and try to build an entire narrative off it. It’s pretty funny to watch, actually.

Which starting QB is the best in the league because he’s got the longest pressure time at 2.6 seconds?  Yeah, that’s right.  Justin Fields.

Which starting QB has exactly the same pressure time as TL so has exactly the performance.  Oh, that’s right. Joe Burrow.

Burrow’s stats are actually quite interesting and a lesson in context.  JB and TL each average 2.3 seconds from snap to throw or pressure.  JB has been sacked 30 times, TL 17.  JB has been knocked down 30 times, TL 22.  So he’s really under the pump, eh?

And now the interesting thing happens.  JB has been hurried just 11 times while TL has been 23 times. Wait, you mean JB is staying in the pocket and taking hits in order to orchestrate the play while TL flees rather than stand fast?  No, colour me surprised!  I must be seeing things wrong, surely JB is facing far more difficult rushes.  Nope.  JB has been blitzed 57 times and TL 81.  It almost like the opposition knows they can flush out the rabbit with just a little pressure.

But JB doesn’t have time to throw deep,either, right?  Just like you claim with TL?  Yet again, another attempted narrative busted.

Completions. 10+.   20+.   30+.  40+.   50+

JB.                96.      29.     12.     8.       4
TL.                97.      24.      6.      2.       0

But, but, but surely JB is throwing the ball even more than TL.  And again, wrong. JB has 333 attempts, TL has 348.

And yes, the QB ratings reflect the performance disparity.  So I call your attempt to deflect all of TL’s shortcomings onto the line busted.  The determinative factor in QB performance is not the number of seconds before he’s pressured.  It’s his actual performance.  TL is on a Terry Bridgewater career path.

https://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/advanced-stats-qb.php

Not sure what nonsense you're blathering about here. 

I haven't latched on to one stat. I've cited no less than four that support something that is glaringly obvious by simply watching the C, LG and LT throughout a game or two.  (oddly - the RG and RT decided to join the suckfest yesterday) 

Pocket time, pressure rate, OL pass pro win rate, etc don't exist in a bubble. There are many factors affecting them. Less so for the latter of the three, but I digress. 

In the Jaguars case, however, all you have to do is watch the all 22 to see how these not so good numbers relate to the passing game. It's very obvious. You can try to turn it into a QB thing since that seems to be how you get your jollies, but I'm merely pointing out the poor protection from 3 linemen, and I don't need stats to support it even though they do. 

Go watch the end zone angles on all22 and see where the receivers are in their routes when Trevor receives pressure. 
In most games there are several times that he must evade pressure before or at the moment he needs to release the ball and it frequently happens in under 2.3 seconds. 

It's not difficult to see and understand once you observe it several times.

Anyway, blather on.

---

Trevor has played very well in 5 games this year. That's no shock to most of us.

I wonder if seeing him harassed yesterday is opening any eyes about the lack of protection he gets each week.

He came into this game as the 9th most hurried QB in the league. I'd bet he moves in the wrong direction in those rankings after that game.

I for one am a bit shocked. He looked like the 2021 Lawrence until a few weeks ago. I like he is using his athletic ability to give opposing defenses something to worry about. There is no doubt about it that the offense around him needs to play better.

---

---

This team is in no position to take advantage of downfield speed until they can protect the QB unfortunately. 
Zay (and others)  run wide open frequently downfield every week pointlessly while Trevor evades pressure and can't deliver it to them on time.

You latch onto one stat, ignoring all others or any context, and try to build an entire narrative off it. It’s pretty funny to watch, actually.

Which starting QB is the best in the league because he’s got the longest pressure time at 2.6 seconds?  Yeah, that’s right.  Justin Fields.

Which starting QB has exactly the same pressure time as TL so has exactly the performance.  Oh, that’s right. Joe Burrow.

Burrow’s stats are actually quite interesting and a lesson in context.  JB and TL each average 2.3 seconds from snap to throw or pressure.  JB has been sacked 30 times, TL 17.  JB has been knocked down 30 times, TL 22.  So he’s really under the pump, eh?

And now the interesting thing happens.  JB has been hurried just 11 times while TL has been 23 times. Wait, you mean JB is staying in the pocket and taking hits in order to orchestrate the play while TL flees rather than stand fast?  No, colour me surprised!  I must be seeing things wrong, surely JB is facing far more difficult rushes.  Nope.  JB has been blitzed 57 times and TL 81.  It almost like the opposition knows they can flush out the rabbit with just a little pressure.

But JB doesn’t have time to throw deep,either, right?  Just like you claim with TL?  Yet again, another attempted narrative busted.

Completions. 10+.   20+.   30+.  40+.   50+

JB.                96.      29.     12.     8.       4
TL.                97.      24.      6.      2.       0

But, but, but surely JB is throwing the ball even more than TL.  And again, wrong. JB has 333 attempts, TL has 348.

And yes, the QB ratings reflect the performance disparity.  So I call your attempt to deflect all of TL’s shortcomings onto the line busted.  The determinative factor in QB performance is not the number of seconds before he’s pressured.  It’s his actual performance.  TL is on a Terry Bridgewater career path.

https://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/advanced-stats-qb.php

Since when do we have a Jamarr Chase or Tee Higgins sprinting downfield? Are those air yards, or YPC? Do you honestly think Trevor would not excel with guys like Boyd and Higgins and Chase running down the sidelines (assuming the line could block any better than Cincy's has)? Both QBs are unable to unload for the very same reason. Their lines are failing. We just have an advantage of a more mobile QB to either tuck and run or fire to an outlet instead of eat a sack. Yay us.

Terry Bridgewater. Good One. Is he as good as Zak Prescott?

---