Just to be clear. I’m not really “on your side”.  Just think the whole “you used to say” thing is a bit nonsense.  This board has no remorse at times.

The most ironic thing about all of the flaming I get, truthfully is that it all started from me posting observations about a QB we all thought we wouldn't be able to draft, followed by moderators calling me names and insulting me like a troll over my opinion. I got trolled, and then was accused of trolling.

Well, you were wrong so…

I just disagree with the piling it on after one comes around. The “not letting people forget it” thing.

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Hilariously his play now isn’t terribly different than it has been all season. He never had a bad game per say with him arm, he had a bad few plays. Maybe it’s a couple over throws, or a bad pick, but 80-85% of his game was great. His weapons never let him get in a rhythm with the drops either.

Past few weeks he’s minimized the mistakes. He’s much more consistent.

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Just to be clear. I’m not really “on your side”.  Just think the whole “you used to say” thing is a bit nonsense.  This board has no remorse at times.

The most ironic thing about all of the flaming I get, truthfully is that it all started from me posting observations about a QB we all thought we wouldn't be able to draft, followed by moderators calling me names and insulting me like a troll over my opinion. I got trolled, and then was accused of trolling.

My recollection is more that you had a vocal, negative opinion on Trevor and that you created multiple threads about it to the point of nausea.  It became less about sharing an opinion and more about attempting to persuade others to share it.  That gets kinda annoying for the people that recognize what they're looking at.

To your credit, that has gone away. Almost to the point that it feels like a different person manning the ChrisJagBoy handle than before.

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The most ironic thing about all of the flaming I get, truthfully is that it all started from me posting observations about a QB we all thought we wouldn't be able to draft, followed by moderators calling me names and insulting me like a troll over my opinion. I got trolled, and then was accused of trolling.

Well, you were wrong so…

I just disagree with the piling it on after one comes around. The “not letting people forget it” thing.

Has he had issues with over throws? Has he made poor decisions in the clutch? I'm just asking because the things I harped on were the things he struggled with. I never said he was a bust, I never even said he couldn't be good. I just said that during the pre draft hype everyone was basically saying he's perfect, ignoring the flaws. 

He got better, clearly. But let's not pretend they weren't there from the jump,

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CJB has been very harsh on TL. Trollish, actually.  But from what I have read the last couple weeks, he’s come around.  We all say stuff on here we regret, were wrong about or a complete moron about.  Trust me, I know.  But if CJB was convinced TL was bad, and has come around, why not let him slide a bit?  Why hold the past to people?  Maybe we can shift gears to that carpe diem guy or whatever the [BLEEP] his name is?

It's okay, let them harp on it. I couldn't be happier that it's turned out for the best. I can't wait until I can start looking forward to playoff football again. Regardless of how we got there. Everybody clumps me in with another group of "haters" as they say but completely ignore that I made correct observations when he was in college that translated into the NFL before he was ever destined to be on our team. 

He proved that he wants to be a guy, and he's putting in the work and the results speak for themselves. If that makes me wrong than i'm wrong, big deal I'd rather be wrong and the team do good than be right and be back in QB purgatory.

It has more to do with some of your hot takes along the way. Like saying we'd be better off, or no worse off with Cody Kessler instead of Lawrence as one example.

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The most ironic thing about all of the flaming I get, truthfully is that it all started from me posting observations about a QB we all thought we wouldn't be able to draft, followed by moderators calling me names and insulting me like a troll over my opinion. I got trolled, and then was accused of trolling.

My recollection is more that you had a vocal, negative opinion on Trevor and that you created multiple threads about it to the point of nausea.  It became less about sharing an opinion and more about attempting to persuade others to share it.  That gets kinda annoying for the people that recognize what they're looking at.

To your credit, that has gone away.  Almost to the point that it feels like a different person manning the ChrisJagBoy handle than before.

I mean if you mean actual threads it's pretty 50/50. 

This was my first actual thread mentioning the him once it became locked in we had the first pick.

https://www.duvalpride.com/showthread.php?tid=33763

I think if you read that, you can see that whats said is blown out of purportion or perhaps people mistake me for jaguarmvp.

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I would also point out that I have a tendency to overreact in game-day threads a lot (an example today of me wanting to cut Zay Jones after that 2nd drop lol) but that's why anytime nycjag decides to post a quote of mine saying that a pass was trash or hes playing like trash or whatever it's almost always in a game day heat of the moment thread lol.

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I would also point out that I have a tendency to overreact in game-day threads a lot (an example today of me wanting to cut Zay Jones after that 2nd drop lol) but that's why anytime nycjag decides to post a quote of mine saying that a pass was trash or hes playing like trash or whatever it's almost always in a game day heat of the moment thread lol.

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I would also point out that I have a tendency to overreact in game-day threads a lot (an example today of me wanting to cut Zay Jones after that 2nd drop lol) but that's why anytime nycjag decides to post a quote of mine saying that a pass was trash or hes playing like trash or whatever it's almost always in a game day heat of the moment thread lol.

Is this Riley Pattersons view kicking fieldgoals?

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Is this Riley Pattersons view kicking fieldgoals?

More like kickoffs.

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I would also point out that I have a tendency to overreact in game-day threads a lot (an example today of me wanting to cut Zay Jones after that 2nd drop lol) but that's why anytime nycjag decides to post a quote of mine saying that a pass was trash or hes playing like trash or whatever it's almost always in a game day heat of the moment thread lol.

Does that also apply to your tendency to overreact by starting new threads to bash Lawrence after each game (and during the offseason) or to turn threads not about Lawrence into threads about how your were right about your bad takes about Lawrence (like the last page of this one)? Yeah, I guess it does.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

I would also point out that I have a tendency to overreact in game-day threads a lot (an example today of me wanting to cut Zay Jones after that 2nd drop lol) but that's why anytime nycjag decides to post a quote of mine saying that a pass was trash or hes playing like trash or whatever it's almost always in a game day heat of the moment thread lol.

Does that also apply to your tendency to overreact by starting new threads to bash Lawrence after each game (and during the offseason) or to turn threads not about Lawrence into threads about how your were right about your bad takes about Lawrence (like the last page of this one)? Yeah, I guess it does.

If you don't want me to defend my stance don't attack it. Seems simple no? My take was never that he wasn't going to be good or didn't have talent. Again, not gonna go over every point again but just for example, said he overthrows passes consistently @ Clemson, and you'd be a straight liar to say that wasn't an issue for the first year and a half of his career. Because he got better dosen't change that he had that issue at one point. It dosen't vindicate your stance of "hurr durr i told u he was always good the entire time hurrrr" because regardless of what you thought OR what I thought, it's impossible to know weather or not they can or will improve their weak areas. If it was that easy, teams wouldn't ever miss in any draft. 


But go on grandpa, get it.

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Does that also apply to your tendency to overreact by starting new threads to bash Lawrence after each game (and during the offseason) or to turn threads not about Lawrence into threads about how your were right about your bad takes about Lawrence (like the last page of this one)? Yeah, I guess it does.

If you don't want me to defend my stance don't attack it. Seems simple no? My take was never that he wasn't going to be good or didn't have talent. Again, not gonna go over every point again but just for example, said he overthrows passes consistently @ Clemson, and you'd be a straight liar to say that wasn't an issue for the first year and a half of his career. Because he got better dosen't change that he had that issue at one point. It dosen't vindicate your stance of "hurr durr i told u he was always good the entire time hurrrr" because regardless of what you thought OR what I thought, it's impossible to know weather or not they can or will improve their weak areas. If it was that easy, teams wouldn't ever miss in any draft. 


But go on grandpa, get it.

Lol, keep trying little fella. You trashed this board for 18 months with what we tried to tell you were his growing pains. Now you're still trying to act like you were right all along. Your mea culpa smacks of disingenuousness, you want to be right both then and now and frankly you can't be.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

If you don't want me to defend my stance don't attack it. Seems simple no? My take was never that he wasn't going to be good or didn't have talent. Again, not gonna go over every point again but just for example, said he overthrows passes consistently @ Clemson, and you'd be a straight liar to say that wasn't an issue for the first year and a half of his career. Because he got better dosen't change that he had that issue at one point. It dosen't vindicate your stance of "hurr durr i told u he was always good the entire time hurrrr" because regardless of what you thought OR what I thought, it's impossible to know weather or not they can or will improve their weak areas. If it was that easy, teams wouldn't ever miss in any draft. 


But go on grandpa, get it.

Lol, keep trying little fella. You trashed this board for 18 months with what we tried to tell you were his growing pains. Now you're still trying to act like you were right all along. Your mea culpa smacks of disingenuousness, you want to be right both then and now and frankly you can't be.

Because I wasn't wrong with what I said originally. I pointed out his weaknesses, I didn't claim him a bust. Because he fixed his issues as of late dosen't mean he never had them. I don't really see what's so hard to get about that. All thats changed in my opinion as of late is that he's much improved in every aspect of his game. I wasn't making threads constantly bashing him either dip weed, that was jaguarmvp. I think the worst thing I ever did was post a stat comp from trevors rookie year and Gabberts.

Also side note, I had a good chuckle at being called "little fella" i'm 6'4 210 lol.

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Lol, keep trying little fella. You trashed this board for 18 months with what we tried to tell you were his growing pains. Now you're still trying to act like you were right all along. Your mea culpa smacks of disingenuousness, you want to be right both then and now and frankly you can't be.

Because I wasn't wrong with what I said originally. I pointed out his weaknesses, I didn't claim him a bust. Because he fixed his issues as of late dosen't mean he never had them. I don't really see what's so hard to get about that. All thats changed in my opinion as of late is that he's much improved in every aspect of his game. I wasn't making threads constantly bashing him either dip weed, that was jaguarmvp. I think the worst thing I ever did was post a stat comp from trevors rookie year and Gabberts.

Also side note, I had a good chuckle at being called "little fella" i'm 6'4 210 lol.

There we go, now we're back to you openly saying you don't mean it.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Because I wasn't wrong with what I said originally. I pointed out his weaknesses, I didn't claim him a bust. Because he fixed his issues as of late dosen't mean he never had them. I don't really see what's so hard to get about that. All thats changed in my opinion as of late is that he's much improved in every aspect of his game. I wasn't making threads constantly bashing him either dip weed, that was jaguarmvp. I think the worst thing I ever did was post a stat comp from trevors rookie year and Gabberts.

Also side note, I had a good chuckle at being called "little fella" i'm 6'4 210 lol.

There we go, now we're back to you openly saying you don't mean it.

I swear when I talk to you or NYC it reminds me of when I tried to explain to my grandma how to use a smart phone. I had lower expectations than what we're currently seeing, and he's playing good football right now. He still sailed passes and made dumb decisions like the two goal line ints, or the other 3 ints he had this year on the first play of a game winning drive attempt. 

Again, just because he's gotten better dosen't thanos snap from existence the bad from before.

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There we go, now we're back to you openly saying you don't mean it.

I swear when I talk to you or NYC it reminds me of when I tried to explain to my grandma how to use a smart phone. I had lower expectations than what we're currently seeing, and he's playing good football right now. He still sailed passes and made dumb decisions like the two goal line ints, or the other 3 ints he had this year on the first play of a game winning drive attempt. 

Again, just because he's gotten better dosen't thanos snap from existence the bad from before.

And I swear talking to you has been like talking to a petulant 4 year old. You had no patience for a talented rookie QB is a horrific situation and you were wrong, for months, and you still want to believe you were right even as you try to weasel your way out of your own admission.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

I swear when I talk to you or NYC it reminds me of when I tried to explain to my grandma how to use a smart phone. I had lower expectations than what we're currently seeing, and he's playing good football right now. He still sailed passes and made dumb decisions like the two goal line ints, or the other 3 ints he had this year on the first play of a game winning drive attempt. 

Again, just because he's gotten better dosen't thanos snap from existence the bad from before.

And I swear talking to you has been like talking to a petulant 4 year old. You had no patience for a talented rookie QB is a horrific situation and you were wrong, for months, and you still want to believe you were right even as you try to weasel your way out of your own admission.

Then tell me what I was wrong about. I pointed out flaws, he had them. He's gotten good as of late.


This is the last thing i'ma say about it. You can take it however you want to. Lawrence has been killer since the Raiders game. I have nothing bad to say about his performance since that game. If you wanna argue a point of what I said, at least understand what you're arguing. I wont be replying to it anymore because I say the same thing and it just flies over your head.

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Will you 2 get a room already. Jags won today, let's talk about the good stuff.

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Haha. The moving goal post in this thread had me lmao. You guys are the best. Funny

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