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College Prospects - 2023
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(02-23-2023, 01:37 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: https://twitter.com/RunYourPool_/status/...39620?s=207/1?! Wow. I would imagine that's still not the odds on favorite? Is it still Bryce? We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today! (02-23-2023, 01:37 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: https://twitter.com/RunYourPool_/status/...39620?s=20 I'm a Gator fan. He is not worth the first pick in the draft.
A sleeper pick in the late rounds for us. Would be that big redzone threat we need.
https://twitter.com/ryan_vidales/status/...99072?s=20 https://twitter.com/ToledoFB/status/1593...01250?s=20 They got my guy as a UDFA. If we can get him in the 6th I think he could be the steal of the draft. I'd take Turner and Mitchell with our 2 6ths. 2 draft steals https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/Player/Quin...-CB-Toledo
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https://twitter.com/SethWEmerson/status/...28257?s=20
Well this certainly could change the top of the draft.... (03-01-2023, 11:05 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: https://twitter.com/SethWEmerson/status/...28257?s=20He'll be a Cowboy now. Book it. Sent from my SM-S906U using Tapatalk "What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."
(03-01-2023, 12:19 PM)Caldrac Wrote:(03-01-2023, 11:05 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: https://twitter.com/SethWEmerson/status/...28257?s=20He'll be a Cowboy now. Book it. Raiders
Those teams who were strongly considering Carter now have nearly 2 months to do their due diligence on him. We all know how certain media figures will exaggerate to get attention. Teams that passed on Pickens last season are likely regretting it now as I'm not aware of any character transgressions he had with the Steelers. If Carter turns out to be a similar situation, some team will be getting a steal. Maybe I'm naive, but it doesn't seem like it would be too difficult to find out what type of character issues a player may have. The Jaguars have messed up twice in this area; Coughlin selecting Soward still boggles my mind and drafting Justin Blackmon was also totally avoidable had they done more research on him.
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Maybe his contact will have a clause that states he’s only allowed to Uber/Lyft going to-and-from Strip Clubs
(03-01-2023, 01:04 PM)jaglou53 Wrote: Those teams who were strongly considering Carter now have nearly 2 months to do their due diligence on him. We all know how certain media figures will exaggerate to get attention. Teams that passed on Pickens last season are likely regretting it now as I'm not aware of any character transgressions he had with the Steelers. If Carter turns out to be a similar situation, some team will be getting a steal. Maybe I'm naive, but it doesn't seem like it would be too difficult to find out what type of character issues a player may have. The Jaguars have messed up twice in this area; Coughlin selecting Soward still boggles my mind and drafting Justin Blackmon was also totally avoidable had they done more research on him.There's a difference between character concerns and someone who was racing at 2am which led to a teammates death. This also isn't his first time speeding like that. He was caught going 98 in a 45 I think before as well. He also lied to the cops about where he was during the race. He said he was over a mile away. Carter may very well turn out to be a great player but this will certainly ding him and he might drop out of the top 15 because of it.
(03-01-2023, 01:21 PM)Cleatwood Wrote:(03-01-2023, 01:04 PM)jaglou53 Wrote: Those teams who were strongly considering Carter now have nearly 2 months to do their due diligence on him. We all know how certain media figures will exaggerate to get attention. Teams that passed on Pickens last season are likely regretting it now as I'm not aware of any character transgressions he had with the Steelers. If Carter turns out to be a similar situation, some team will be getting a steal. Maybe I'm naive, but it doesn't seem like it would be too difficult to find out what type of character issues a player may have. The Jaguars have messed up twice in this area; Coughlin selecting Soward still boggles my mind and drafting Justin Blackmon was also totally avoidable had they done more research on him.There's a difference between character concerns and someone who was racing at 2am which led to a teammates death. This also isn't his first time speeding like that. He was caught going 98 in a 45 I think before as well. He also lied to the cops about where he was during the race. He said he was over a mile away. Question is, if he’s there at around 20, would you move up and take him? We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today!
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(03-01-2023, 01:11 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: Bucky Brooks mock 2.0 Interesting pick there. I wouldn't mind Dalton Kincaid but, again, the 1010XL crew made a good point. We did pretty well last year on offense with just one viable receiving threat at TE in Engram. How do you get Ridley, Kirk, Jones, Engram, Etienne + new TE the football? I thought it was interesting. I had this preconceived notion that Pederson was going to want a pair of viable receiving threats at the TE position because of what he had in Philadelphia during last year's off season. However, he showed that he's an adaptable coach. We don't need that same system of operations here on offense. My concern would be, can Kincaid block? Because we're going to need guys that can help seal the edge or create space out in the open downfield. Kincaid is an intriguing prospect. I just don't know if I would want him in this scheme if he's just a carbon copy of Evan Engram. I would rather take the more balanced prospect in RD2 in Darnell Washington or wait until even RD4 and get a guy like Will Mallory instead. "What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."
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(03-01-2023, 02:15 PM)Dockerill91 Wrote:I might because I have Doug Pederson.(03-01-2023, 01:21 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: There's a difference between character concerns and someone who was racing at 2am which led to a teammates death. This also isn't his first time speeding like that. He was caught going 98 in a 45 I think before as well. He also lied to the cops about where he was during the race. He said he was over a mile away. Carter is arguably the best player in this draft. If he's there at 20, I might make the trade for him and trust that Doug and his culture will make sure this doesn't happen. I would stick his locker right next to Josh Allen and Foye. Obviously there's more information out there as well and things could change.
I must say Kincaid interests me too!
There are one or two guys every year who when you collate all the pre draft sources it is very hard to find anyone with anything overly critical to say about them or who dislikes their chances as a pro. Obviously it's a sliding scale of ability... Sometimes it's flawless prospects at the top of the draft (like Gardner last year) or guys who have very strong traits and everyone seems to expect to do well in the later rounds (i seem to remember Jamaree Salyer was very well liked and the chargers got him in the 5th or 6th) which I found surprising! Obviously as with anything in the draft its not a foolproof but more often than not those guys do tend to do reasonably well ... Kincaid seems to be one of those guys this year so far. There seems to be a general knock on some of his blocking ... But I'm struggling to see anyone who doesn't think as a pure pass catcher he's not going to cause problems for defences. I'll be interested to see how he gets on, whether it's here or not... Personally I'd still like a really good lineman in the first but if push comes to shove and the draft shakes out that way, I wouldn't be disappointed with that kind of addition. If it worked out you'd be getting into 'pick your poison' territory through the air.
(03-01-2023, 03:31 PM)Caldrac Wrote:Yeah, I like Kincaid and he's my 2nd TE behind Mayer but I just can't see a scenario where Kincaid is the top player on the board at 24. Mayer is the only TE I'd be happy with in the first. Kincaid would be a steal with our 2nd pick though(03-01-2023, 01:11 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: Bucky Brooks mock 2.0 We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today!
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They have Dalton Kincaid compared to Zach Ertz on the NFL website. For me I would trust Doug Pederson 110% with Dalton Kincaid Vs. Evan Engram in this offense. I just wonder how you disperse the football around with everybody already on the roster. In all honesty, the more I think about it, the more I actually like it.
My concerns are this with him, which is there on the website: Weaknesses: Liability as a run blocker. Jarred off of his base by average contact. Struggles to stay connected to a block for long. Routes could use better speed variance. Physical defenders are able to slow his routes. My guess is that we would probably see him and Engram worked into specific sets based on down and distance and that we would be fine in the long run. Provided Lawrence continues with getting the football in and out of his hands. The biggest concern for myself, as well as a few others though, how is the offensive line play going to look in 2023? Cam Robinson at LT coming off of IR. Ben Bartch at LG coming off of IR. Luke Fortner needing to show a lot more strength, alertness post snap and quickness in getting into his blocks in year two. Brandon Scherff over the hill, battled through an injury last year, also historically injury prone. Jawaan Taylor? We don't know. Walker Little? Probably capable but seems more natural at LT. That's where the concerns are going to be. A 2nd TE that's limited already because of TE1 in front of him in Engram plus a new face at WR in Ridley with the fear of this offensive line not creating more time in the pocket for Lawrence? Meh. It's concerning. "What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king." (03-01-2023, 04:10 PM)Cleatwood Wrote:(03-01-2023, 02:15 PM)Dockerill91 Wrote: Question is, if he’s there at around 20, would you move up and take him?I might because I have Doug Pederson. The further in you get to that story the murkier it seems to get. We were all young once (and if you still are, many congratulations) ... But the behaviour of some of these lads with that cash on the line is sometimes utterly mind boggling. I think Cleatwood's probably nailed it. The culture of the club he goes to could determine how long he's in the league for. A strong locker room could do a huge amount for him... Somewhere like Arizona where you'd be looking for him to set the tempo in a questionable locker room and personally I wouldn't touch him with a ten foot pole! (03-01-2023, 04:25 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote:(03-01-2023, 03:31 PM)Caldrac Wrote: Interesting pick there. I wouldn't mind Dalton Kincaid but, again, the 1010XL crew made a good point. We did pretty well last year on offense with just one viable receiving threat at TE in Engram.Yeah, I like Kincaid and he's my 2nd TE behind Mayer but I just can't see a scenario where Kincaid is the top player on the board at 24. Mayer is the only TE I'd be happy with in the first. Kincaid would be a steal with our 2nd pick though Agreed on this. Have a hard time seeing Kincaid slipping to us in RD2. Would be thrilled if he did but it seems unlikely as more than likely any of the teams that go QB1 on the opening night are probably going to be eyeing a safety blanket for them in a guy like Kincaid early on the 2nd night of the draft. I would rather see them take Brian Branch over Dalton Kincaid with the 24th overall pick if it came down to the two of them. I would take Kancey over him as well. Our need at slot CB/Safety and interior pass rush is greater than a need for a 2nd TE that will get lost in a crowded personnel room IMHO. I would say Guard and Tackle are a bigger need as well. Taking a guy like Kincaid in RD1 seems like a luxury pick. What sucks though? You watch. The [BLEEP] Chiefs will take him on the opening night as the heir apparent to Travis Kelce. We'll be dealing with him in the play-off's in 2024 and beyond. LOL. "What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king." |
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