Dang... had Episode 2 halfway written out and must have accidentally closed the tab.

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I find your lack of faith disturbing.

And IMHO, ep 3 > ep 5.

 Who said the force is female and why?

Well, it is a mysterious force that no man truly understands.

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When you get into the endzone, act like you've been there before.

 Who said the force is female and why?

Well, it is a mysterious force that no man truly understands.

Nike said it to sell some shoes.
It had nothing to do with Star Wars.
Movies 7 thru 9 were dumb, and a little queer, but they weren't "woke."

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

Define woke, Mikey.

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Define woke, Mikey.

You first.
I could try, but in my mind movies 7-9 were just as "woke" as movies 4-6.  The imperial system is inherently repressive and was from its founding.  The oppressed rebel masses are the heroes.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

Lol, how can you say something isn't something if you are unwilling to say what it is? You're really good at playing these games with others. Tell me what woke is, since you object to the term. Shouldn't be hard.

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And, no, movies 4-6 were not "woke." The had equality, but that's different than woke, my brotha.

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 Who said the force is female and why?

Well, it is a mysterious force that no man truly understands.

+1 for telling the naked truth.

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"Remember Red, Hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies."  - Andy Dufresne, The Shawshank Redemption

Also, let me clarify: Really, it's just episode 8 that's woke. The other two just have typically Hollywood messaging (although I still think the mary sueing of Rey is one of the worst things I've seen in film). SO many missed opportunities. To be fair to the director, maybe he had a better way of explaining it in the follow up film that was scrapped by Rian Johnson.

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Also, let me clarify: Really, it's just episode 8 that's woke. The other two just have typically Hollywood messaging (although I still think the mary sueing of Rey is one of the worst things I've seen in film). SO many missed opportunities. To be fair to the director, maybe he had a better way of explaining it in the follow up film that was scrapped by Rian Johnson.

I guess you're really just talking about the DJ monologue in 8? He hacks his way onto a rich gambler's personal yacht ship and shows how the guy is making money selling weapons to both sides of the conflict? That part was total nonsense, and totally universe breaking, but I don't see how it was "woke".
There are certainly weapons manufacturers in many wealthy countries that have, maybe inadvertently,  profited from both sides in some civil war or another, say a conflict in Africa or Central America for instance.  And you could imagine that done on a galactic scale, where one rich planet sells weapons to two different poor planets that are fighting each other.  But none of those weapons would be a death star capable of destroying all planets.  Any civilization that made such a thing would never sell it.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

Look, let's cut the crap. Woke is a fairly nebulous term, and we could honestly be using it in different ways, but you should know by now what the right means when they say it. It's simply the obvious praxis part of critical theory. People who become acolytes for their progressive religion and then make EVERYTHING about their beliefs. It's funny why you moderates can't see this for what it is. It's no different than a "Christian" film that tries to go mainstream. The messaging is so in your face it's hard to care about the story. Woke is no different.

Messaging should be fairly subtle, even if still obvious. If the medium is ruined because the messaging takes priority over form, that's what most people can recognize as "woke." If it's supposed to be a commercial that's selling a product, but the message is diversity and not, mmm this [BLEEP] is delicious... then that's been ruined by woke. The only people who like that are already believers. Woke messaging is fairly obvious in the last 3 movies. In the first, it's the mary sueing of Rey, which may have had an explanation if done by a director who didn't intentionally state their desire to produce something with a different message, so I give it a pass. Rian Johnson flat out admitted he didn't care about the Star Wars cannon or galaxy. He wanted to tell his story. That's woke, broseph. You see it throughout the whole film... well you do if you're not a beta [bleep].

I don't remember anything distinctly progressive about the third, though JJ was in full damage control at that point.

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The way conservatives typically use "woke" is akin to slightly less politically motivated vegan that won't shut the [BLEEP] up about how healthy they are. Cool, we get it... you don't eat meat products, now shut up about it. I don't want to see it in every commercial or pigeonholed in every movie I watch. Yes, tha'ts not how progressives use the term, but they are the clueless [BLEEP] droning on about how they're saving the planet by putting avocados on everything.

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Look, let's cut the crap. Woke is a fairly nebulous term, and we could honestly be using it in different ways, but you should know by now what the right means when they say it. It's simply the obvious praxis part of critical theory. People who become acolytes for their progressive religion and then make EVERYTHING about their beliefs. It's funny why you moderates can't see this for what it is. It's no different than a "Christian" film that tries to go mainstream. The messaging is so in your face it's hard to care about the story. Woke is no different.

Messaging should be fairly subtle, even if still obvious. If the medium is ruined because the messaging takes priority over form, that's what most people can recognize as "woke." If it's supposed to be a commercial that's selling a product, but the message is diversity and not, mmm this [BLEEP] is delicious... then that's been ruined by woke. The only people who like that are already believers. Woke messaging is fairly obvious in the last 3 movies. In the first, it's the mary sueing of Rey, which may have had an explanation if done by a director who didn't intentionally state their desire to produce something with a different message, so I give it a pass. Rian Johnson flat out admitted he didn't care about the Star Wars cannon or galaxy. He wanted to tell his story. That's woke, broseph. You see it throughout the whole film... well you do if you're not a beta [bleep].

I don't remember anything distinctly progressive about the third, though JJ was in full damage control at that point.

Why do you bother?  Mike is so committed to proving his highly evolved intelligence that he has lost touch with his own actual thoughts and beliefs instead deferring to what Wikipedia and the DNC tell him what he thinks.

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At some point you just have to let go of what you thought should happen and live in what is happening.
 

Look, let's cut the crap. Woke is a fairly nebulous term, and we could honestly be using it in different ways, but you should know by now what the right means when they say it. It's simply the obvious praxis part of critical theory. People who become acolytes for their progressive religion and then make EVERYTHING about their beliefs. It's funny why you moderates can't see this for what it is. It's no different than a "Christian" film that tries to go mainstream. The messaging is so in your face it's hard to care about the story. Woke is no different.

Messaging should be fairly subtle, even if still obvious. If the medium is ruined because the messaging takes priority over form, that's what most people can recognize as "woke." If it's supposed to be a commercial that's selling a product, but the message is diversity and not, mmm this [BLEEP] is delicious... then that's been ruined by woke. The only people who like that are already believers. Woke messaging is fairly obvious in the last 3 movies. In the first, it's the mary sueing of Rey, which may have had an explanation if done by a director who didn't intentionally state their desire to produce something with a different message, so I give it a pass. Rian Johnson flat out admitted he didn't care about the Star Wars cannon or galaxy. He wanted to tell his story. That's woke, broseph. You see it throughout the whole film... well you do if you're not a beta [bleep].

I don't remember anything distinctly progressive about the third, though JJ was in full damage control at that point.

Why do you bother?  Mike is so committed to proving his highly evolved intelligence that he has lost touch with his own actual thoughts and beliefs instead deferring to what Wikipedia and the DNC tell him what he thinks.

Go [BLEEP] yourself.  Seriously.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

Look, let's cut the crap. Woke is a fairly nebulous term, and we could honestly be using it in different ways, but you should know by now what the right means when they say it. It's simply the obvious praxis part of critical theory. People who become acolytes for their progressive religion and then make EVERYTHING about their beliefs. It's funny why you moderates can't see this for what it is. It's no different than a "Christian" film that tries to go mainstream. The messaging is so in your face it's hard to care about the story. Woke is no different.

Messaging should be fairly subtle, even if still obvious. If the medium is ruined because the messaging takes priority over form, that's what most people can recognize as "woke." If it's supposed to be a commercial that's selling a product, but the message is diversity and not, mmm this [BLEEP] is delicious... then that's been ruined by woke. The only people who like that are already believers. Woke messaging is fairly obvious in the last 3 movies. In the first, it's the mary sueing of Rey, which may have had an explanation if done by a director who didn't intentionally state their desire to produce something with a different message, so I give it a pass. Rian Johnson flat out admitted he didn't care about the Star Wars cannon or galaxy. He wanted to tell his story. That's woke, broseph. You see it throughout the whole film... well you do if you're not a beta [bleep].

I don't remember anything distinctly progressive about the third, though JJ was in full damage control at that point.

Companies have a right to market their products however they want.  If you don't like them trying to make a feel good commercial about a gay family enjoying the product, don't buy the product.  That's petty, but it's your right.
Rian Johnson's story was weird and bad, but it wasn't woke.
Woke is, like you said, critical theory applied to the American legal framework. So the idea is that America's legal and economic system is totally compromised by the racism that was pervasive at the founding, and we must take drastic measures to realign it, the Civil War and the Civil rights movement didn't go nearly far enough, and working within the system will never be enough on its own. You simply do not find those themes in any Star Wars movie. Star Wars is about wars. The total breakdown of rule of law that is inherent to war makes questions about how the galactic legal system works and why totally irrelevant.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

Why do you bother?  Mike is so committed to proving his highly evolved intelligence that he has lost touch with his own actual thoughts and beliefs instead deferring to what Wikipedia and the DNC tell him what he thinks.

Go [BLEEP] yourself.  Seriously.

LOL. Touched a nerve did I?

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At some point you just have to let go of what you thought should happen and live in what is happening.
 

Go [BLEEP] yourself.  Seriously.

LOL. Touched a nerve did I?

Did you think I would like what you wrote?
Should I look up "negging" on Wikipedia to refresh my memory?
Does this have to be personal?

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

Look, let's cut the crap. Woke is a fairly nebulous term, and we could honestly be using it in different ways, but you should know by now what the right means when they say it. It's simply the obvious praxis part of critical theory. People who become acolytes for their progressive religion and then make EVERYTHING about their beliefs. It's funny why you moderates can't see this for what it is. It's no different than a "Christian" film that tries to go mainstream. The messaging is so in your face it's hard to care about the story. Woke is no different.

Messaging should be fairly subtle, even if still obvious. If the medium is ruined because the messaging takes priority over form, that's what most people can recognize as "woke." If it's supposed to be a commercial that's selling a product, but the message is diversity and not, mmm this [BLEEP] is delicious... then that's been ruined by woke. The only people who like that are already believers. Woke messaging is fairly obvious in the last 3 movies. In the first, it's the mary sueing of Rey, which may have had an explanation if done by a director who didn't intentionally state their desire to produce something with a different message, so I give it a pass. Rian Johnson flat out admitted he didn't care about the Star Wars cannon or galaxy. He wanted to tell his story. That's woke, broseph. You see it throughout the whole film... well you do if you're not a beta [bleep].

I don't remember anything distinctly progressive about the third, though JJ was in full damage control at that point.

Companies have a right to market their products however they want.  If you don't like them trying to make a feel good commercial about a gay family enjoying the product, don't buy the product.  That's petty, but it's your right.
Rian Johnson's story was weird and bad, but it wasn't woke.
Woke is, like you said, critical theory applied to the American legal framework. So the idea is that America's legal and economic system is totally compromised by the racism that was pervasive at the founding, and we must take drastic measures to realign it, the Civil War and the Civil rights movement didn't go nearly far enough, and working within the system will never be enough on its own.  You simply do not find those themes in any Star Wars movie.  Star Wars is about wars.  The total breakdown of rule of law that is inherent to war makes questions about how the galactic legal system works and why totally irrelevant.

No. That isn't woke. That's what they tell you woke is, but it's not how anyone uses it. No one started calling themselves "Woke" because they were applying critical race theory to the American legal framework, Mikey. Stop being such a rube. Woke, to a progressive, means being awakened to oppression of all minority groups and ACTIVELY working to undermine the traditional American ideals that support that system. Praxis. Praxis. Praxis. How many times do I have to say it. You can literally find quotes of Johnson speaking such jibberish. It's a religion. The conservatives I know don't understand the specifics of wokeness, but they can tell when someone is preaching to them, so you get a modified, simplified version of it. Your version is a strawman. Not playing that game.

As to companies marketing however, you're right when we have a true capitalist structure. We don't anymore. It's dumb to try to pretend we function in a free market. This type of advertising goes hand-in-hand with stakeholder capitalism. Use your company dollars to form the society you want to see. Their long-term vision looks different than others, and they'll force it down your throat and call you a bigot while doing it. That's woke. It's stupid. People do protest with their dollars, but it's just not as effective when every company has a parent company, and the ones at the highest rung aren't actually selling anything. You'd have to boycott almost everything. But, hey... you keep believing the dream they're selling you.

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All I know is those last three movies sucked.

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Companies have a right to market their products however they want.  If you don't like them trying to make a feel good commercial about a gay family enjoying the product, don't buy the product.  That's petty, but it's your right.
Rian Johnson's story was weird and bad, but it wasn't woke.
Woke is, like you said, critical theory applied to the American legal framework. So the idea is that America's legal and economic system is totally compromised by the racism that was pervasive at the founding, and we must take drastic measures to realign it, the Civil War and the Civil rights movement didn't go nearly far enough, and working within the system will never be enough on its own.  You simply do not find those themes in any Star Wars movie.  Star Wars is about wars.  The total breakdown of rule of law that is inherent to war makes questions about how the galactic legal system works and why totally irrelevant.

No. That isn't woke. That's what they tell you woke is, but it's not how anyone uses it. No one started calling themselves "Woke" because they were applying critical race theory to the American legal framework, Mikey. Stop being such a rube. Woke, to a progressive, means being awakened to oppression of all minority groups and ACTIVELY working to undermine the traditional American ideals that support that system. Praxis. Praxis. Praxis. How many times do I have to say it. You can literally find quotes of Johnson speaking such jibberish. It's a religion. The conservatives I know don't understand the specifics of wokeness, but they can tell when someone is preaching to them, so you get a modified, simplified version of it. Your version is a strawman. Not playing that game.

As to companies marketing however, you're right when we have a true capitalist structure. We don't anymore. It's dumb to try to pretend we function in a free market. This type of advertising goes hand-in-hand with stakeholder capitalism. Use your company dollars to form the society you want to see. Their long-term vision looks different than others, and they'll force it down your throat and call you a bigot while doing it. That's woke. It's stupid. People do protest with their dollars, but it's just not as effective when every company has a parent company, and the ones at the highest rung aren't actually selling anything. You'd have to boycott almost everything. But, hey... you keep believing the dream they're selling you.

Yes, conservatives are naturally irritated and turned off by liberal preaching.  Nothing new. But you can't get more specific than that? Just liberal preaching?
And there are questionable choices in commercials and in star wars movies, but those choices aren't "preachy" like you say, are they? The gay couple in the insurance commercial isn't preaching at you, are they? The yacht scene in episode 8 was preachy as hell, sure, but it was pacifist, right? Is that what woke is? Preachy pacifism?

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All I know is those last three movies sucked.

7 sucked as a stand alone movie, but it at least made me excited to see 8.
8 and 9 both had some really great scenes, but, yeah.  Absolutely no payoff,  no character development, no world building, none of the questions from 7 even close to answered.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

Yes, that is how conservatives, by and large, use woke. When they see something that puts the preaching above the produce, it's wokeness in their eyes, and it's not really wrong for them to think that. Progressives might have a more nuanced take, but it's not half as intellectual as they try to frame it. Woke is to progressivism what saved is to Christians.

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