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Getting money out of politics in the US
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(03-30-2023, 06:34 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: Elaborate. Suppose I start a social media campaign espousing some left wing beliefs and interpretstions of history. Suppose we get some benefactors and start meeting in person. Suppose we start endorsing candidates in various elections. At what point should our benefactors' donations fall under this 5% cap you mentioned?
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I think the minute it attempts to influence a specific bill, party, or individual, it becomes political. Courts can decide that.
(03-30-2023, 07:06 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: I think the minute it attempts to influence a specific bill, party, or individual, it becomes political. Courts can decide that. The courts would suddenly have to get a lot quicker and more nimble. Completely unrealistic.
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(03-29-2023, 03:46 PM)mikesez Wrote:(03-29-2023, 03:10 PM)copycat Wrote: In theory it should be easily distinguished but I can see where funding a specific project could blur the lines. Probably how we arrived at the mess we are currently in. I guess if there were a challenge in that regard the courts would have to decide. As I mentioned funding of a bill is separated from the bill itself and could pose a problem. This is a different scenario though. First of all this was a state constitutional amendment not a federal bill. Secondly if we are going to adopt this concept we should hammer out how funding would be treated. Definitely a fine line between the two however this is way out of the boundaries of what my suggestion is attempting to eliminate.
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(03-30-2023, 08:53 PM)copycat Wrote:(03-29-2023, 03:46 PM)mikesez Wrote: Here's a practical example. At the state level we have so many dedicated accounts with so many revenue streams feeding them, that it might be practical to try to make a one topic rule for out legislature, with the one exception being a bill that raises dedicated funds and also designates how to spend them. But at the federal level there are fewer dedicated funds. And at both levels most of the spending is out of the general fund, and that's where most of the potentially corrupt deals are made.
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(03-30-2023, 07:41 PM)mikesez Wrote:(03-30-2023, 07:06 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: I think the minute it attempts to influence a specific bill, party, or individual, it becomes political. Courts can decide that. Lol, that's all law. What a dismissive attitude. This isn't complicated. If you mention a specific bill, party, or person, advocating for them, it gets counted as support. If you spent any money on it, you have to count the cost. This would allow people to tweet their support, but not companies who are making movies or whatever. (03-30-2023, 09:09 PM)mikesez Wrote:(03-30-2023, 08:53 PM)copycat Wrote: As I mentioned funding of a bill is separated from the bill itself and could pose a problem. This is a different scenario though. First of all this was a state constitutional amendment not a federal bill. Secondly if we are going to adopt this concept we should hammer out how funding would be treated. Definitely a fine line between the two however this is way out of the boundaries of what my suggestion is attempting to eliminate. I’m not following you. At the federal level if you want to propose a bill to build a bridge in St. Johns county congress votes on building a bridge in St. Johns county and that’s it. No attachments, no tacking on new proposals unrelated to building a bridge and no new laws magically appearing out of thin air.
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At some point you just have to let go of what you thought should happen and live in what is happening. (03-31-2023, 07:22 AM)copycat Wrote:(03-30-2023, 09:09 PM)mikesez Wrote: At the state level we have so many dedicated accounts with so many revenue streams feeding them, that it might be practical to try to make a one topic rule for out legislature, with the one exception being a bill that raises dedicated funds and also designates how to spend them. But at the federal level there are fewer dedicated funds. And at both levels most of the spending is out of the general fund, and that's where most of the potentially corrupt deals are made. It gets quite cumbersome to vote on each line item of a budget like that. Plus, there could still be backroom deals. "I'll vote for this if you vote for that," there would just have to be a little more faith that the guys voting on the second bill will follow through.
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You want backroom deals, dude. It's how it was supposed to work. It's called compromise. That's how it was done when I was younger. Happened all the time.
We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today! (03-31-2023, 08:24 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: You want backroom deals, dude. It's how it was supposed to work. It's called compromise. That's how it was done when I was younger. Happened all the time. I completely agree. It's better if they're open about how the deals are worked out, but they will only be open if they trust their voters to be understanding and humble. In this environment where few are humble, lying is expected. The problem is not the making of the deals, nor the lying and double talk. It's which proposals even get to come to the table and get advocated for.
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