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Fred Taylor from the age of 26 to 31…
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06-08-2023, 01:57 AM
(This post was last modified: 06-08-2023, 01:59 AM by JagFanatic24. Edited 1 time in total.)
Calrac, this one’s for you baby!
I can’t be the only one that looks at the all time rushing list and think “man…if Taylor could have atleast half of those games back.” Just like Jimmy Smith, I wanted to make the playing field even and see just how Fred Taylor would measure against the best 17 NFL rushers of all time. The only way I can do that is to go back and add up his totals from his healthy years and compare it to the other NFL running back legends. Guys like Barry Sanders, Walter Peyton, Eric Dickerson, Marshall Faulk, etc. Did you know Fred Taylor was the 15th all time leading rusher in yards at the end of the 2009 season? Yes. He was right behind Thurman Thomas. Taylor had a rookie season for the ages if we’re comparing in to the other top 17 RB’s. Of the 55 regular season games he missed due to injury, there is one season that I wish he could have back, and that’s the 2001 season where he missed 14 games. He was going into his 4th season, and we all know what happen against the Titans when he threw the ball to the ground. Taylor ended up with 116 yards that season. But he also missed 6 games in that magical 1999 season. If it wasn’t for the 6 games he missed in 1999 and the 14 games he missed in 2001, he would have had 10 straight 1,000 yard seasons….just like Jimmy Smith would have if he didn’t get suspended in 2003 when he was 195 yards short of becoming a 10 straight 1k season WR. Those 2 season (1999 and 2001) will haunt Taylor until he gets his gold jacket which will probably be in about 10-12 years if I had to guess. Why 10-12? I can’t answer that, it’s just a guess and it could be twice that long. It’s much easier to vote Taylor in the Hall of Fame with 10 straight years of 1000 yards than those 2 blemishes on his current resume. Injuries are apart of the game. Guys like Adrian Peterson who tore his knee up and came back and rushed for 2,000 yards. What happens if his knee never got injured? Does he rush for 2300 that year? We’ll never know, but it’s part of the game. Part of being great for a long period of time is can the body hold up, while still being productive. Taylor dealt with a brutal groin injury that could have ended his career, but it didn’t. Let’s take a look at at all the top 17 Running Backs from the age 26 to 31 = 6 seasons. I will post the running backs name and then post the yardage they put up from the age 26 to 31. Here we go… Marcus Allen. - 3606 Jim Brown - 5849 Adrian Petrson- 5965 Ederrin James - 6074 Jerome Bettis. -6166 Franco Harris. - 6334 ThurmanThomas-6576 Marshal Faulk. -6667 Fred Taylor. - 7245 Eric Dickerson - 7292 Tony Dorsett. - 7393 La. Tomlinson - 7505 * Fred Taylor - 7603 (if he don’t miss 5 games 2005 season) Emmitt Smith - 7983 Walter Peyton - 7993 Curtis Martin - 8280 Barry Sanders - 8480 Now let’s take a look at the NFL’s top 17 rushers and see what their age 31 season looks like. I’ll post the name and then post their yardage from that season. Curtis Martin age 31 season. - 1697 Walter Peyton age 31 season - 1684 Tony Dorsett age 31 season. - 1307 Emmitt Smith age 31 season - 1203 Fred Taylor age 31 season. - 1202 Frank Gore age 31 season. -1106 Franco Harris age 31 season. - 987 Tomlinson age 31 season. - 914 Jerome Bettis age 31 season. - 811 Marshall Faulk age 31 season - 774 Thurman Thomas age 31 season-643 Eric Dickerson age 31 season. - 536 Marcus Allen age 31 season. - 287 Edgerin James age 31 season. - 125 Adrian Peterson age 31 seaaon - 72 Jim Brown age 31 season. -0 Barry Sanders age 31 season. - 0 Now let’s take a look at their rookie seasons. Again this only includes the top 17 all time leading rushing yard leaders. Here is the total Touchdowns scored as a rookie. Thomas - 2 Gore. - 3 Bettis. -7 Peyton. - 7 Tomlins - 10 Brown. - 10 Smith. - 11 Harris. - 11 Faulk. - 12 Petersn- 13 Dorsett - 13 Sanders - 14 Allen - 14 Martin - 15 James - 17 TAYLOR - 17 Dickerson - 20 * only Eric Dickerson scored more touchdowns as a rookie. I’ve already posted this before, so I won’t go into detail but Fred Taylor should have made the pro bowl in 1998, 2000, 2003, and 2007 Taylor probably gets selected as an All Pro in 1998 if he started 15 or more games as he scored 17 TDs that season and led the league in plays of 50 yards or more. He would have finished his career with 4 Pro Bowls and 1 All Pro. Did you know Marcus Allen, who is ranked 14th on the all time rushing list, only had 3 seasons in which he had 1,000 yards rushing? Other than those 3 seasons, his highest rushing output was 890 yards. Allen played 16 seasons in the NFL. His resume is worst than Frank Gore’s. Did you know Faulk retired at the age of 32? Jim Brown retired at the age of 29 years old. He was out of the league by the age of 30. Did you know Tony Dorsett made a pro bowl while rushing for 745 yards that season? As we all know, Fred was in the best RB era of all time. He contended with guys like Larry Johnson, Priest Holmes, Jerome Bettis, Tomlinson, Eddie George, Jamal Lewis, Edgerin James, Willie Parker, Terrel Davis, Corey Dillon, Curtis Martin, Mike Anderson, etc. It’s not that these cats were better than Taylor, but he would put together a solid season and a guy like Mike Anderson would come out of nowhere and rush for 1500 yards. In 2001, the year Fred missed 15 games, the NFL’s leading rusher that year was Stephen Davis with 1432 yards. Corey Dillon was 2nd with 1315 yards. I have no doubt in my mind that Fred would have lead the league in yards that season if he doesn’t get injured. His timing was just off every season there was someone stepping up or he would go down with an injury and miss a handful of games. If he just had about 25 of those games back, he would probably already have his gold jacket. Taylors last 100 yard game came in week 3 of the 2009 season against the Falcons. That same season he scored 4 TDs, after scoring 1 TD in his final season with the Jaguars. I won’t ever forget the game against the Dolphins in the ‘99 playoffs…he had 135 with 10 minutes left in the 2nd quarter…he already walked em down with 2 tubs including a 90 yarder which is still an NFL playoff record. I also won’t ever forget that masterpiece he put together against the Patriots in our first ever home playoff game in 1998. 162 yards and a tub. The Mike Doss look back is what only a legend could do. It was like he had electricity in his shoulder pads when he hit the boom stick on that dude. How about that Tampa Bay game when the rookie from Florida rushed for 3 touchdowns and hit that game winner and slid down the goal post in the endzone. A lot of people know about the 234 yards and 4 Touchdowns up in Pittsburgh, but a lot of people don’t know Fred put up 194 yards against the Saints because of the River City Relay. Taylor almost hit 200 yards that game which would have been his 2nd. What’s crazy is Jimmy Smith put up 220 yards against the Saints in 1999, I remember skipping High School the following day because it was a Sunday Night game and Taylor was inactive that game. One last thing I will add, is Taylor’s resume says he rushed for 11,695 yards…if he could have just 5 games back in that 2002 season, he would have finished with an additional 350-400 yards to add to his totals. His resume would then say he’s rushed for 12,045 yards…it would look a heck of a lot better for his cause. Who would have thought 5 games at the age of 29 would hold so much weight? Don’t worry, it won’t keep him out of the hall, he will just have to take the back roads and the scenic route, but he’ll make it. Fred Taylor is already a Hall of Famer, he just hasn’t been indicted yet, but he will… I hope you guys enjoyed this one. I might do one of these for Tony Brackens in a few weeks. These things are exhausting and take a ton of time. You guys let me know if you like these Jaguars history stuff and I’ll keep ‘em up. We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today!
06-08-2023, 08:00 AM
(This post was last modified: 06-08-2023, 08:02 AM by Caldrac. Edited 2 times in total.)
This is fantastic man. Appreciate it! Fred Taylor is my all time favorite athlete and football player. There's no doubt he'll eventually get in the Hall of Fame. Especially if the NFL continues to air it out more and more. Runningback's from his era will be missed and appreciated more in retrospect. I remember that groin injury well.
Me and my Dad knew it was bad because he spiked the football after a nice run that he ripped off going back towards the middle. He was certainly on pace to be rookie of the year in 1998. Unfortunately for him, it was the same year arguably one of the greatest receivers to ever play the game entered the NFL in Randy Moss. Small market didn't help him neither with exposure. You put him anywhere else in the 90's at that time in the Big Apple or West Coast and he's already got a jacket in my opinion. His numbers are impressive in spite of the missed games. Shows you just how damn hard he worked to make up for lost time. Special talent though. Undeniable talent. We'll never have another running back like #28 in Jacksonville. ![[Image: 4SXW6gC.png]](https://i.imgur.com/4SXW6gC.png) "What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."
(06-08-2023, 08:00 AM)Caldrac Wrote: This is fantastic man. Appreciate it! Fred Taylor is my all time favorite athlete and football player. There's no doubt he'll eventually get in the Hall of Fame. Especially if the NFL continues to air it out more and more. Runningback's from his era will be missed and appreciated more in retrospect. I remember that groin injury well. I’m glad you liked. He’s my all time favorite player too. I think it’s because he’s a quiet kinda dude and he just lets his cards talk on the field. I grew up a Nole fan so I was a huge Warwick Dunn and Peter Warrick fan. I always hated Fred Taylor because of what he did to my Noles in the 90’s. As soon as I found out the Jaguars drafted him, I knew right away our offense was about to take off. It sucks James Stewart got injured in 1998, but that’s all it took for Fred to never look back. 1st carry…52 yards to the house. 1st start = over 100 yards. And I think that same game he outran Rod Woodson on a catch for 77. (Correction on the 2nd to last paragraph of the original post)…If only he could have those 5 games back in 2005. I honestly think if he plays all 16 in 2005 and adds another 350-400 yards to his totals, he would have finished his career with 12,045 yards. Which would cement his name in Canton, OH much quicker than his current 11,695. *if he could have those 5 games back from the 2005 season. (Not 2002).
(06-08-2023, 01:57 AM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: Now let’s take a look at the NFL’s top 17 rushers and see what their age 31 season looks like. I’ll post the name and then post their yardage from that season. Wait, I love the fact that we have 2 PITT players in the top 3 but the stats don't coincide with the stats on the link below (missing Tiki Barber and Thomas Jones ahead of Dorsett). What is you source? https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/most-ru...-at-age-31
(06-08-2023, 01:57 AM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: Calrac, this one’s for you baby! Kinda wild that C Martin was almost at 1700 at age 31, especially since the game was much harder on them back then. We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today!
06-08-2023, 10:20 PM
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(06-08-2023, 03:21 PM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote:(06-08-2023, 01:57 AM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: Now let’s take a look at the NFL’s top 17 rushers and see what their age 31 season looks like. I’ll post the name and then post their yardage from that season. The post stated about 3 or 4 times, we’re only talking about the top 17 rushers in NFL history. Tiki and Thomas are not in the top 17 and that’s why they weren’t included.
Fred's injuries actually seem to have extended his career. His totals are what they are. The guys ahead of him on various statistics mostly played on better teams with better offensive lines and more plays from scoring position.
Fred got a lot of national love when the Jags were relevant in 98 and 99, though arguably less than he deserved. Any other year, Fred would have won OROY byt he came out the same year as Randy Moss. Fred definitely deserved an All Pro nod over Marshall Faulk that year. But then the sportswriters forgot about him, mostly because the team was bad. The injuries came after he was already out of the spotlight.
My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.
(06-09-2023, 10:15 AM)mikesez Wrote: Fred's injuries actually seem to have extended his career. His totals are what they are. The guys ahead of him on various statistics mostly played on better teams with better offensive lines and more plays from scoring position. He will be a HOFer eventually, tho it does really suck that he became so severly underrated, it's at a point where I'm fairly certain if you ask non-jaguar fans who the best RB the Jags ever had more people would say MJD just because of the fact that the media loved him (rightfully so) and because he's in the media.
We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today! (07-17-2023, 07:24 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: https://twitter.com/DownerJagFan/status/...18725?s=20 Thanks for the great Freddy T. highlights; that was fun to watch. He should absolutely be in Canton at some point. How many other backs had his combination of power, speed and moves? Fred does have a few things in his favor that he didn't a few years ago. Boselli paved the way for him and the current team looks like they will be getting a lot of attention as long as Lawrence continues to succeed. No doubt the anti-Jacksonville bias hurt Freddy in the past. Had he played for the Steelers or Cowboys he'd likely already have his gold jacket. (07-17-2023, 07:24 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: https://twitter.com/DownerJagFan/status/...18725?s=20 GREAT VIDEO ! thank you. I had to watch it more than a few times. Notto take anything away from Taylor but I did notice we had one hell of a run blocking line just then too. They were serving some serious pancakes. Widell was killing the second level on a few of those. Need Fortner to watch that.
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(07-17-2023, 09:06 PM)Jag149 Wrote:(07-17-2023, 07:24 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: https://twitter.com/DownerJagFan/status/...18725?s=20 Some great blocking indeed! But Freddy's elite combo of speed and agility is on full display there too. He was an other-worldly athlete when is his prime. One of the best to ever do it and always my favorite Jag. A truly special player. We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today! (07-17-2023, 09:11 PM)NYC4jags Wrote:(07-17-2023, 09:06 PM)Jag149 Wrote: GREAT VIDEO ! thank you. I had to watch it more than a few times. Notto take anything away from Taylor but I did notice we had one hell of a run blocking line just then too. They were serving some serious pancakes. Widell was killing the second level on a few of those. Need Fortner to watch that. Yea, he must have kept the opposing trainers busy taping up ankles.....might have broken a few...lol
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(07-17-2023, 07:24 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: https://twitter.com/DownerJagFan/status/...18725?s=20 Put this man in the Hall already.
Go look at Marcus Allen’s numbers and think to yourself if he belongs in the same building as Fred Taylor.
(07-18-2023, 05:24 AM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: Go look at Marcus Allen’s numbers and think to yourself if he belongs in the same building as Fred Taylor. That might not be advisable. If you're going to call out some RB who ought not be wearing a gold jacket, I'd compare him more to guys like Curtis Martin, Frank Gore - stats for sure, but never the kind of guy where you had to watch them to see what they were doing from week to week, or even so dominant that you had to gameplan against them or the game was all but lost. Martin's in, and Gore certainly will be in consideration, and that will be Fred's best argument. Allen on the other hand has a TON of accolades that Fred can't touch - SB MVP, NFL MVP, 3rd all time in rush TD, rushing titles, 16 straight seasons with a TD - that's stuff of legend. He was dominant in his day. Fred absolutely should get a nod. But saying "If Marcus is in, so should Fred" is probably not going to be the convincing argument that wins his case. We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today! (07-18-2023, 05:24 AM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: Go look at Marcus Allen’s numbers and think to yourself if he belongs in the same building as Fred Taylor. Yeah, Marcus Allen isn't the example to use. IMO, we don't really need to isolate a HOF'r to compare him to. We just need to looks at his numbers and know it is unlikely that backs in the modern NFL will eclipse many of those statistics. Personally, I also think it would help if someone made the case to the committee that Freddy's TD totals would be higher if he'd been afforded the number of red zone carriers afforded to many other backs that are ahead of him in that statistical category. So if we are compering to HOF'rs then: Comparing his splits to Curtis Martin's for example will likely outline this Looking it up... Fred Taylor career red zone touches: 351 rush attempts (48 TDs) 13.67% scoring rate 36 receiving targets. (4 TD) Curtis Martin career red zone touches: 567 rush attempts. (80 TDs) 14.1% scoring rate 59 targets (8 TD) So there you have it. The TD numbers are what most folks claim keep Fred out of the hall, but his scoring % when actually given the ball in the red zone is right in line with one of his nearest competitors who is in the hall. |
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