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(08-21-2023, 11:47 PM)OzJohnnie Wrote: It looks like the starting line is as predicted.

Little, Bartch, Fortner, Scherff, Harrison.

Although Harrison isn’t visible in this shot.

https://twitter.com/jstcyrtv/status/1693671289280413757

This seems like a no brainer, to start the season, as long as they stay fit.

More interesting is what they do when Cam returns if they have all played well.
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(This post was last modified: 08-22-2023, 05:03 AM by JaguarJosh2. Edited 1 time in total.)

This offense can get by with "dudes" in the meantime. I trust a Doug and Trevor led offense to find a successful game plan to win with who is available. Every roster in the league will be banged up to some degree by midseason.
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(08-22-2023, 02:10 AM)WYjagsfan Wrote:
(08-21-2023, 11:47 PM)OzJohnnie Wrote: It looks like the starting line is as predicted.

Little, Bartch, Fortner, Scherff, Harrison.

Although Harrison isn’t visible in this shot.

https://twitter.com/jstcyrtv/status/1693671289280413757

This seems like a no brainer, to start the season, as long as they stay fit.

More interesting is what they do when Cam returns if they have all played well.

Cam will play LT and Little will play LG (based on snaps we're seeing at practices and the DET game) 

I hope Cam can get his game back to a serviceable level by then - he looked bad vs DET
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(08-22-2023, 09:35 AM)NYC4jags Wrote:
(08-22-2023, 02:10 AM)WYjagsfan Wrote: This seems like a no brainer, to start the season, as long as they stay fit.

More interesting is what they do when Cam returns if they have all played well.

Cam will play LT and Little will play LG (based on snaps we're seeing at practices and the DET game) 

I hope Cam can get his game back to a serviceable level by then - he looked bad vs DET

This is what I mean.

Cam would have to be on a very short leash for sure in this situation.
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(08-22-2023, 11:35 AM)WYjagsfan Wrote:
(08-22-2023, 09:35 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: Cam will play LT and Little will play LG (based on snaps we're seeing at practices and the DET game) 

I hope Cam can get his game back to a serviceable level by then - he looked bad vs DET

This is what I mean.

Cam would have to be on a very short leash for sure in this situation.

I don't know if he will since there's not really anyone to replace him.
Only option is slide Little to LT and put a nobody at LG.

I guess it's a lesser of two evils decision.
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(08-22-2023, 11:43 AM)NYC4jags Wrote:
(08-22-2023, 11:35 AM)WYjagsfan Wrote: This is what I mean.

Cam would have to be on a very short leash for sure in this situation.

I don't know if he will since there's not really anyone to replace him.
Only option is slide Little to LT and put a nobody at LG.

I guess it's a lesser of two evils decision.

Well it would be Bartch at guard and he's not a nobody.

Like I said though this will only be any issue if the O-Line plays well the first 4 weeks.

If they struggle it's a no brainer.
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(08-22-2023, 12:20 PM)WYjagsfan Wrote:
(08-22-2023, 11:43 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: I don't know if he will since there's not really anyone to replace him.
Only option is slide Little to LT and put a nobody at LG.

I guess it's a lesser of two evils decision.

Well it would be Bartch at guard and he's not a nobody.

Like I said though this will only be any issue if the O-Line plays well the first 4 weeks.

If they struggle it's a no brainer.

Yes it will be Bartch at LG.  Cam has been horrible this preseason.  If the oline is rolling after week 4 I don't think Doug makes a change and Cam would be our swing tackle
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(08-22-2023, 12:57 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote:
(08-22-2023, 12:20 PM)WYjagsfan Wrote: Well it would be Bartch at guard and he's not a nobody.

Like I said though this will only be any issue if the O-Line plays well the first 4 weeks.

If they struggle it's a no brainer.

Yes it will be Bartch at LG.  Cam has been horrible this preseason.  If the oline is rolling after week 4 I don't think Doug makes a change and Cam would be our swing tackle

Your swing tackle needs to be able to play both tackle spots and that doesn't sound like Cam Robinson. I still think they should move on from him now and find a guy who can legit play either side if needed. Probably the best case if he stays and has to play would be to push Little to Right and let Cam step in to be average at Left, but I hate the idea of Little losing reps on the left.
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(08-22-2023, 12:20 PM)WYjagsfan Wrote:
(08-22-2023, 11:43 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: I don't know if he will since there's not really anyone to replace him.
Only option is slide Little to LT and put a nobody at LG.

I guess it's a lesser of two evils decision.

Well it would be Bartch at guard and he's not a nobody.

Like I said though this will only be any issue if the O-Line plays well the first 4 weeks.

If they struggle it's a no brainer.

He actually kind-of is a nobody. 

A. He's coming off of injury and unproven from a health perspective until we see him block a starting NFL DT,
B. He's had limited NFL playing time prior to this and was "serviceable" during that span. Not very good, and occasionally bad. 
(5 NFL starts of meh performance)

I know folks have high hopes for Ben Bartch, but assuming he's going to do any better than Shatley did last year is a stretch right now, and Shatley was bad last year. 

I'm not ready to call Bartch our savior at LG
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(08-23-2023, 10:30 AM)jaglou53 Wrote:
(08-23-2023, 09:56 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: He actually kind-of is a nobody. 

A. He's coming off of injury and unproven from a health perspective until we see him block a starting NFL DT,
B. He's had limited NFL playing time prior to this and was "serviceable" during that span. Not very good, and occasionally bad. 
(5 NFL starts of meh performance)

I know folks have high hopes for Ben Bartch, but assuming he's going to do any better than Shatley did last year is a stretch right now, and Shatley was bad last year. 

I'm not ready to call Bartch our savior at LG

I agree with you on Bartch. If I were the Jaguars, I'd sign Dalton Risner before the Bears get him. He is very reliable having missed only a few games during his career. No doubt he'd be an upgrade at guard and he has played tackle in the past. Hopefully they won't need him at tackle, but with Harrison's shoulder and Robinson's horrible performance last week it wouldn't hurt to have a potential fill-in at tackle like Risner. He wouldn't be cheap, but protecting the franchise quarterback should be top priority- slightly ahead of the questionable pass-rush.
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(08-23-2023, 08:34 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote:
(08-22-2023, 12:57 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: Yes it will be Bartch at LG.  Cam has been horrible this preseason.  If the oline is rolling after week 4 I don't think Doug makes a change and Cam would be our swing tackle

Your swing tackle needs to be able to play both tackle spots and that doesn't sound like Cam Robinson. I still think they should move on from him now and find a guy who can legit play either side if needed. Probably the best case if he stays and has to play would be to push Little to Right and let Cam step in to be average at Left, but I hate the idea of Little losing reps on the left.
Cam is a better tackle than other backup tackle on this roster.  You keep Cam the rest of this year just incase of injury unless he just can't come back 100% from his injury.  I'd rather Cam at RT and Little at left if something happens to Harrison
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(08-23-2023, 12:07 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote:
(08-23-2023, 08:34 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: Your swing tackle needs to be able to play both tackle spots and that doesn't sound like Cam Robinson. I still think they should move on from him now and find a guy who can legit play either side if needed. Probably the best case if he stays and has to play would be to push Little to Right and let Cam step in to be average at Left, but I hate the idea of Little losing reps on the left.
Cam is a better tackle than other backup tackle on this roster.  You keep Cam the rest of this year just incase of injury unless he just can't come back 100% from his injury.  I'd rather Cam at RT and Little at left if something happens to Harrison

When is the last time you saw Cam play RT?
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(08-23-2023, 12:10 PM)NYC4jags Wrote:
(08-23-2023, 12:07 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: Cam is a better tackle than other backup tackle on this roster.  You keep Cam the rest of this year just incase of injury unless he just can't come back 100% from his injury.  I'd rather Cam at RT and Little at left if something happens to Harrison

When is the last time you saw Cam play RT?

Doesn't matter, you throw him out there.  Little never played RT or G until he did. Doug talked about Cam plying G, when has he every played Gaurd?
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(08-23-2023, 12:07 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote:
(08-23-2023, 08:34 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: Your swing tackle needs to be able to play both tackle spots and that doesn't sound like Cam Robinson. I still think they should move on from him now and find a guy who can legit play either side if needed. Probably the best case if he stays and has to play would be to push Little to Right and let Cam step in to be average at Left, but I hate the idea of Little losing reps on the left.
Cam is a better tackle than other backup tackle on this roster.  You keep Cam the rest of this year just incase of injury unless he just can't come back 100% from his injury.  I'd rather Cam at RT and Little at left if something happens to Harrison

No, this is purely speculation. You have the wrong idea cemented in your head that he can just flip to the other side and be ok. He's barely average in the natural left side spot he's played his whole life. That you think he can just hop over and reverse all that technique and muscle memory is nothing but wishful thinking.

(08-23-2023, 12:24 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote:
(08-23-2023, 12:10 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: When is the last time you saw Cam play RT?

Doesn't matter, you throw him out there.  Little never played RT or G until he did. Doug talked about Cam plying G, when has he every played Gaurd?

Lol, "doesn't matter", yeah, tell that to Lawrence when he comes out of his coma.
“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

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(08-23-2023, 01:32 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote:
(08-23-2023, 12:07 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: Cam is a better tackle than other backup tackle on this roster.  You keep Cam the rest of this year just incase of injury unless he just can't come back 100% from his injury.  I'd rather Cam at RT and Little at left if something happens to Harrison

No, this is purely speculation. You have the wrong idea cemented in your head that he can just flip to the other side and be ok. He's barely average in the natural left side spot he's played his whole life. That you think he can just hop over and reverse all that technique and muscle memory is nothing but wishful thinking.

(08-23-2023, 12:24 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: Doesn't matter, you throw him out there.  Little never played RT or G until he did. Doug talked about Cam plying G, when has he every played Gaurd?

Lol, "doesn't matter", yeah, tell that to Lawrence when he comes out of his coma.

You do it until he shows you he can't just like Doug has done with Little the last couple years at RT and at G.  Just like Doug has talked about Cam playing guard, just like Doug is playing Harrison at RT.  Play them there until they prove otherwise.
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(08-23-2023, 03:38 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote:
(08-23-2023, 01:32 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: No, this is purely speculation. You have the wrong idea cemented in your head that he can just flip to the other side and be ok. He's barely average in the natural left side spot he's played his whole life. That you think he can just hop over and reverse all that technique and muscle memory is nothing but wishful thinking.


Lol, "doesn't matter", yeah, tell that to Lawrence when he comes out of his coma.

You do it until he shows you he can't just like Doug has done with Little the last couple years at RT and at G.  Just like Doug has talked about Cam playing guard, just like Doug is playing Harrison at RT.  Play them there until they prove otherwise.

You're setting yourself up for disappointment and setting your star QB up for injury. 

Cam a'int Little, bruh.
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(08-23-2023, 05:07 PM)NYC4jags Wrote:
(08-23-2023, 03:38 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: You do it until he shows you he can't just like Doug has done with Little the last couple years at RT and at G.  Just like Doug has talked about Cam playing guard, just like Doug is playing Harrison at RT.  Play them there until they prove otherwise.

You're setting yourself up for disappointment and setting your star QB up for injury. 

Cam a'int Little, bruh.



You are also setting yourself up for injury or disappointment and a possible QB injury with one of these backup tackles.  I'd rather Cam out their if he gets back to 100%.   So if Doug  puts Cam at RT or G you think he's setting himself up for failure there?
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(08-23-2023, 05:39 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote:
(08-23-2023, 05:07 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: You're setting yourself up for disappointment and setting your star QB up for injury. 

Cam a'int Little, bruh.



You are also setting yourself up for injury or disappointment and a possible QB injury with one of these backup tackles.  I'd rather Cam out their if he gets back to 100%.   So if Doug  puts Cam at RT or G you think he's setting himself up for failure there?

LOL

Making your backup RT someone who has actually played the position before opposed to a "one foot out the door" floundering Cam Robinson is not the same thing.
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(08-23-2023, 05:54 PM)NYC4jags Wrote:
(08-23-2023, 05:39 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: You are also setting yourself up for injury or disappointment and a possible QB injury with one of these backup tackles.  I'd rather Cam out their if he gets back to 100%.   So if Doug  puts Cam at RT or G you think he's setting himself up for failure there?

LOL

Making your backup RT someone who has actually played the position before opposed to a "one foot out the door" floundering Cam Robinson is not the same thing.

LOL

You are right, it's not the same.  It could be more of a risk playing the backup over a healthy Cam.
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