We all know Cisco is getting a penalty against KC for this. After the Juju hit last year, they're going to be on him.

The Lloyd one was a terrible call, I can see how the Cisco one was called, even though I disagree with it. The Lloyd one was horse [BLEEP] though.

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IT WAS ALWAYS THE JAGS

Idk i am on the fence with this statement.  I do kind of mind as it has taken some of the enjoyment of watching good defense being played.  Now a legit stop can result in the opposing offense being given new life from ticky tacky calls and it doesnt sit real well with me.  How can a defender adjust to the offensive player shifting his body to cause the illegal "hit" after he has already committed/launched his body.

Part of watching the game in the past was the big hit.  The players are paid tens of millions because it is a violent game and yea there can be injuries just like there always has been.  The pay is well above that in the past and i think they need to just deal and accept that and lay off these "soft" game day experiences.

My thoughts, I am not a big fan of the "softness" of the world as a whole right now, the NFL included.

Easily actually, just quit launching and instead wrap the guy in a hug. That's the only thing that's going to stop this from happening.

And to further piggyback off the wrap up and hug comment. Are the refs going to start blowing the whistle dead then when defenders get the QB in the same position? To prevent those little backyard flicks out there that Mahomes does now or what Richardson did yesterday? 

Are they going to stop allowing these goofy [BLEEP] rugby scrums to stop when a pile occurs and a RB is still upright? This is the problem I have with the NFL. It's clearly geared to favor offenses now while completely neutering defenders and trying to take out as much special teams opportunities on kick-off's and punt returns as much as possible. 

We'll never see another dynamic safety in the NFL anymore or a returner because of these rules. It sucks.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

https://twitter.com/andrecisco7/status/1...7160988694

I love dre, but that's a childish post
  I think refs have taken the defenseless receiver thing too far, but that's got nothing to do with an established  runner in the field of play.

eh, if defenders don't consider themselves projectiles probably no flag. If you're already off the ground looking for contact on a guy who isn't even in possession of the ball yet and not facing you, you're gonna get the flag. Every player in the league knows it. Whether it's defenseless receivers or mid-air collisions, a lot of these are caused by guys launching themselves like torpedos into a play, and that's a big part of what they are trying to discourage.

Contact is fine. Get your base, wrap up, and smack a guy in the mouth, just fine. That's fundamental football.

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I don't mind the game getting softer just call it fair and consistent.

Idk i am on the fence with this statement.  I do kind of mind as it has taken some of the enjoyment of watching good defense being played.  Now a legit stop can result in the opposing offense being given new life from ticky tacky calls and it doesnt sit real well with me.  How can a defender adjust to the offensive player shifting his body to cause the illegal "hit" after he has already committed/launched his body.

Part of watching the game in the past was the big hit.  The players are paid tens of millions because it is a violent game and yea there can be injuries just like there always has been.  The pay is well above that in the past and i think they need to just deal and accept that and lay off these "soft" game day experiences.

My thoughts, I am not a big fan of the "softness" of the world as a whole right now, the NFL included.

I don't consider guys launching themselves into contact or diving at ankles "good" defense. I find head hunting or flexing after blasting a guy into semi-consciousness rather unseemly. Not sure if that makes me soft.

Big hits will happen, yes, but another part of the game in the past was actual sets of pads. I think a big difference between then and now is not only the amount of padding, but the speed that padding or lack thereof allowed for contact. Go back and look at the pads that DBs/Safeties wore in the 80s to what they wear today - I think Motocross riders wear more padding than today's DBs and WRs.

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Idk i am on the fence with this statement.  I do kind of mind as it has taken some of the enjoyment of watching good defense being played.  Now a legit stop can result in the opposing offense being given new life from ticky tacky calls and it doesnt sit real well with me.  How can a defender adjust to the offensive player shifting his body to cause the illegal "hit" after he has already committed/launched his body.

Part of watching the game in the past was the big hit.  The players are paid tens of millions because it is a violent game and yea there can be injuries just like there always has been.  The pay is well above that in the past and i think they need to just deal and accept that and lay off these "soft" game day experiences.

My thoughts, I am not a big fan of the "softness" of the world as a whole right now, the NFL included.

I don't consider guys launching themselves into contact or diving at ankles "good" defense. I find head hunting or flexing after blasting a guy into semi-consciousness rather unseemly. Not sure if that makes me soft.

Big hits will happen, yes, but another part of the game in the past was actual sets of pads. I think a big difference between then and now is not only the amount of padding, but the speed that padding or lack thereof allowed for contact. Go back and look at the pads that DBs/Safeties wore in the 80s to what they wear today - I think Motocross riders wear more padding than today's DBs and WRs.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

I hate these calls, but they are going to keep protecting players more and more as the years wear on.

I wish they'd find a way for LBs and DBs to "punish" receivers and TEs on these late developing catches over the middle without all the flags. There isn't a perfect way to tackle these guys while they are moving the way they are at impact- and every contact is different. You can't just ask the back seven to concede these types of plays. They need to be hit/tackled and they already have a lot of momentum in many cases.

It's very frustrating to me.

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I hate these calls, but they are going to keep protecting players more and more as the years wear on.

I wish they'd find a way for LBs and DBs to "punish" receivers and TEs on these late developing catches over the middle without all the flags. There isn't a perfect way to tackle these guys while they are moving the way they are at impact- and every contact is different.  You can't just ask the back seven to concede these types of plays. They need to be hit/tackled and they already have a lot of momentum in many cases.

It's very frustrating to me.

And it will remain frustrating as we move closer and closer to "player safety" in a contact sport. It's like making boxers go out on PPV with sparring helmets on, it's a joke and I fear for the longevity of the sport. I love football, but if you make too many subtle changes, it becomes noticeably drastic over time. Eventually it won't be football anymore.

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I don't consider guys launching themselves into contact or diving at ankles "good" defense. I find head hunting or flexing after blasting a guy into semi-consciousness rather unseemly. Not sure if that makes me soft.

Big hits will happen, yes, but another part of the game in the past was actual sets of pads. I think a big difference between then and now is not only the amount of padding, but the speed that padding or lack thereof allowed for contact. Go back and look at the pads that DBs/Safeties wore in the 80s to what they wear today - I think Motocross riders wear more padding than today's DBs and WRs.

Charmin should be used after a safety knocks the [BLEEP] out of somebody.

Andre "Bring Your Charmin" Cisco don't take no [BLEEP] from anybody.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

Charmin Cisco, gently squeezing you onto the IR.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

I hate these calls, but they are going to keep protecting players more and more as the years wear on.

I wish they'd find a way for LBs and DBs to "punish" receivers and TEs on these late developing catches over the middle without all the flags. There isn't a perfect way to tackle these guys while they are moving the way they are at impact- and every contact is different.  You can't just ask the back seven to concede these types of plays. They need to be hit/tackled and they already have a lot of momentum in many cases.

It's very frustrating to me.

And it will remain frustrating as we move closer and closer to "player safety" in a contact sport. It's like making boxers go out on PPV with sparring helmets on, it's a joke and I fear for the longevity of the sport. I love football, but if you make too many subtle changes, it becomes noticeably drastic over time. Eventually it won't be football anymore.

/glares at CFB overtime

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Cisco had dude hanging 10 after the hit. I went back and watched it a few times and Ogletree was stood up and was swerving like he just drank a 12 pack.

One of the hardest hits in Jaguars history. Probably in the top 5. The hit Darius put on Ferguson was crazy but I saw him hit Keyshawn Johnson so hard I saw a ghost leave his body.

Beasley peeled off a WR one time and knocked a TE out.

The Cisco hit last year up in KC was nice, but the hit he put on Ogletree was a mega-thump. Haven’t seen that type of hitting since Darius back in the late 90’s.

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You guys took launching too much into the comment. I really meant committed to the strike point.

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Easily actually, just quit launching and instead wrap the guy in a hug. That's the only thing that's going to stop this from happening.

This is why I hate today's NFL. This is why we don't see prominent NFL safeties anymore since the Ed Reed / Troy Polamalu era. Defenders should still be able to play football. Unless they're leading with a forearm or helmet? I could give two [BLEEP] if he's launching like Michael Jordan from the 3 PT boundary to dunk on the whole damn team.

If it's clearly a shoulder hit and it's not BLATANTLY being aimed at the players helmet? All's fair. QB's and WR's are getting too comfortable with that over the middle and down the seams [BLEEP]. It's okay for a 6'5+ behemoth of a TE to run uncontested down the middle, make the catch and proceed to stiff arm and truck defenders into the shadow realm but god forbid, I don't know, a safety actually does his [BLEEP] job? 

The only thing thats going to stop this from happening is the NFL realizing they're neutering their own product. Might as well just let these guys play flag football at this point if a defender has to worry about his safety and the opponents safety every [BLEEP] time the play happens over the middle. Cisco's post is also fair. Blindside blocks by receivers, backs and lineman happen way, way more than any launching does and it's seldom caught or called.

Completely agree.

The other [BLEEP] part about ciscos flag is that the te lowered his head into Cisco. Dre didn’t launch at the runners head level, it was initially more at chest to shoulder level. Also the runner/ball carrier was not defenseless and he completely saw it coming so the not only was it clean he did nothing to avoid contact but the refs act like he is the victim.

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Cisco had dude hanging 10 after the hit. I went back and watched it a few times and Ogletree was stood up and was swerving like he just drank a 12 pack.

One of the hardest hits in Jaguars history. Probably in the top 5. The hit Darius put on Ferguson was crazy but I saw him hit Keyshawn Johnson so hard I saw a ghost leave his body.

Beasley peeled off a WR one time and knocked a TE out.

The Cisco hit last year up in KC was nice, but the hit he put on Ogletree was a mega-thump. Haven’t seen that type of hitting since Darius back in the late 90’s.

Well as Jags fans we're all used to the double standard.
No Call on our players, especially our QB,  getting whacked....but let one ours "touch" someone like Tom Brady look out!

The Jags D has a tradition to maintain...love Cicso on the field.

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