For all of you tin foil hat aficionados who love to use this clown to fail at proving your conspiracies...

He has been charged with a felony count of intent to disrupt a federal proceeding

https://www.rawstory.com/ray-epps-felony/

I'm sure you've got plenty of fantastic fiction in store for this thread to explain how January 6 was all faked by the dems, but it's football season, so I'll just leave you to it until the Trump trials get rolling.

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For all of you tin foil hat aficionados who love to use this clown to fail at proving your conspiracies...

He has been charged with a felony count of disorderly conduct with intent to disrupt a federal proceeding

https://www.rawstory.com/ray-epps-felony/

I'm sure you've got plenty of fantastic fiction in store for this thread to explain how January 6 was all faked by the dems, but it's football season, so I'll just leave you to it until the Trump trials get rolling.

Let's not attempt to bias the audience with incomplete information.

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When you get into the endzone, act like you've been there before.

For all of you tin foil hat aficionados who love to use this clown to fail at proving your conspiracies...

He has been charged with a felony count of disorderly conduct with intent to disrupt a federal proceeding

https://www.rawstory.com/ray-epps-felony/

I'm sure you've got plenty of fantastic fiction in store for this thread to explain how January 6 was all faked by the dems, but it's football season, so I'll just leave you to it until the Trump trials get rolling.

Let's not attempt to bias the audience with incomplete information.

I mean, when you have an incomplete brain..

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For all of you tin foil hat aficionados who love to use this clown to fail at proving your conspiracies...

He has been charged with a felony count of disorderly conduct with intent to disrupt a federal proceeding

https://www.rawstory.com/ray-epps-felony/

I'm sure you've got plenty of fantastic fiction in store for this thread to explain how January 6 was all faked by the dems, but it's football season, so I'll just leave you to it until the Trump trials get rolling.

Let's not attempt to bias the audience with incomplete information.

By all means - please provide ALL OF THE INFORMATION
Regale us. 

I just thought this [BLEEP] was funny after reading folks blather on about Epps and assert that his lack of charges implicated him as a UC fed. Which is ludicrous even without these charges, but whatever. Tinfoils gonna tinfoil.

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Here is the wording of charges from the report:

"did knowingly, and with intent to impede and disrupt the orderly conduct of Government business and official functions, engage in disorderly and disruptive conduct in and within such proximity to, a restricted building and grounds—that is, any posted, cordoned-off, and otherwise restricted area within the United States Capitol and its grounds, where the Vice President was and would be temporarily visiting—when and so that such conduct did in fact impede and disrupt the orderly conduct of Government business and official functions, and attempted and conspired to do so."

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It will be interesting to see what kind of sentence (if any) that he gets.

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world.  Those who understand binary and those who don't.

For all of you tin foil hat aficionados who love to use this clown to fail at proving your conspiracies...

He has been charged with a felony count of intent to disrupt a federal proceeding

https://www.rawstory.com/ray-epps-felony/

I'm sure you've got plenty of fantastic fiction in store for this thread to explain how January 6 was all faked by the dems, but it's football season, so I'll just leave you to it until the Trump trials get rolling.

Hmm...  I just looked at the story that you posted and it says:

Ray Epps, a supporter of former President Donald Trump who conspiracists accused of being an undercover federal agent, has been hit with a misdemeanor charge of disorderly conduct with the intent to disrupt a government proceeding.

Big difference between a felony and a misdemeanor.

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world.  Those who understand binary and those who don't.

Give a dog a bone....

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For all of you tin foil hat aficionados who love to use this clown to fail at proving your conspiracies...

He has been charged with a felony count of intent to disrupt a federal proceeding

https://www.rawstory.com/ray-epps-felony/

I'm sure you've got plenty of fantastic fiction in store for this thread to explain how January 6 was all faked by the dems, but it's football season, so I'll just leave you to it until the Trump trials get rolling.

Hmm...  I just looked at the story that you posted and it says:

Ray Epps, a supporter of former President Donald Trump who conspiracists accused of being an undercover federal agent, has been hit with a misdemeanor charge of disorderly conduct with the intent to disrupt a government proceeding.

Big difference between a felony and a misdemeanor.

Yeah - everything I'm seeing says misdemeanor - thought that first one I posted called it a felony initially. 

I think the whole thing is hilarious. 

Some clown who used to be an "oath keeper" but quit because they were "too radical" walks around a riot telling ppl to do dumb [BLEEP] - and suddenly he's the poster boy of a bunch of bone-headed conspiracy theories. 

He was always just one more idiot clown at an idiot clown show. Not an undercover agent. 
At least he wasn't dumb enough to assault an officer or trespass the building.

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Hmm...  I just looked at the story that you posted and it says:

Big difference between a felony and a misdemeanor.

Yeah - everything I'm seeing says misdemeanor - thought that first one I posted called it a felony initially. 

I think the whole thing is hilarious. 

Some clown who used to be an "oath keeper" but quit because they were "too radical" walks around a riot telling ppl to do dumb [BLEEP] - and suddenly he's the poster boy of a bunch of bone-headed conspiracy theories. 

He was always just one more idiot clown at an idiot clown show. Not an undercover agent. 
At least he wasn't dumb enough to assault an officer or trespass the building.

Doesn't it strike you as odd in the least bit that he would be charged with a misdemeanor when so many others have been charged and sentenced for much more serious crimes?  Would you call what he was doing (which is clearly on tape) a misdemeanor?

Jacob Chansley was sentenced to 41 months in prison for simply entering and walking through the Capitol while being escorted by Capitol Police.  He was indicted on 6 charges 2 of which were felony charges.  From what we have all seen, did he do worse than what Ray Epps did that day?

What about the ONLY fatality that day, that being an unarmed woman shot almost point blank by Capitol Police?  As a former law enforcement officer myself, I don't see how that shooting was justified.  She posed no real threat and her actions could have been stopped in a non-lethal way.  The officer has never been investigated nor his identity ever made public.

If you can't see where "something doesn't seem right" here, then I don't know what to say.

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world.  Those who understand binary and those who don't.

Yeah - everything I'm seeing says misdemeanor - thought that first one I posted called it a felony initially. 

I think the whole thing is hilarious. 

Some clown who used to be an "oath keeper" but quit because they were "too radical" walks around a riot telling ppl to do dumb [BLEEP] - and suddenly he's the poster boy of a bunch of bone-headed conspiracy theories. 

He was always just one more idiot clown at an idiot clown show. Not an undercover agent. 
At least he wasn't dumb enough to assault an officer or trespass the building.

Doesn't it strike you as odd in the least bit that he would be charged with a misdemeanor when so many others have been charged and sentenced for much more serious crimes?  Would you call what he was doing (which is clearly on tape) a misdemeanor?

Jacob Chansley was sentenced to 41 months in prison for simply entering and walking through the Capitol while being escorted by Capitol Police.  He was indicted on 6 charges 2 of which were felony charges.  From what we have all seen, did he do worse than what Ray Epps did that day?

What about the ONLY fatality that day, that being an unarmed woman shot almost point blank by Capitol Police?  As a former law enforcement officer myself, I don't see how that shooting was justified.  She posed no real threat and her actions could have been stopped in a non-lethal way.  The officer has never been investigated nor his identity ever made public.

If you can't see where "something doesn't seem right" here, then I don't know what to say.

Something is definitely NOT right here. 

A bunch of [BLEEP] morons trespassed the capitol bldg after beating and bludgeoning police officers and spraying them with bear spray. 

That was definitely NOT right. 

The cop who shot that poor woman was the last line of defense between an angry mob of lunatics and lawmakers. 
This rabble were chanting that they were going to hang Mike Pence and included at least three different militia groups present exchanging plans on openly monitored channels that they were going to kidnap lawmakers that day. 

You can keep burying your head in the sand and calling these idiots "tourists" or whatever - but many were not that at all. The evidence is plain - and that poor woman got EXACTLY what was coming to her for thinking she could interfere with the certification of a fairly accounted election. 

That cop did his job by protecting OUR elected officials from a violent rabble of rioters and domestic terrorists. 

They let them advance as far they could without lethal force until there was only one line left to breach. 
And they had no choice but to do this because of the sheer numbers of rioters vs officers. 

Also - tons of misdemeanors without felonies were charged after that day. 
I'm surprised they bothered with Epps at all, I only posted it because of all of the idiotic conspiracies ppl tried to cook up around that clown in this forum. You have to look at each case individually.

I think the thing most "not right" here is your complete blindness to the reality of what happened.

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Not getting help to those officers who were overrun is going to come up at Trump's federal trial BTW

It was a shame how unprepared they were despite all of the intelligence gathered revealing a threat

https://x.com/AccountableGOP/status/1704...88337?s=20

The police chief speaking in that video has an impressive career and resumé in law enforcement:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Sund

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Doesn't it strike you as odd in the least bit that he would be charged with a misdemeanor when so many others have been charged and sentenced for much more serious crimes?  Would you call what he was doing (which is clearly on tape) a misdemeanor?

Jacob Chansley was sentenced to 41 months in prison for simply entering and walking through the Capitol while being escorted by Capitol Police.  He was indicted on 6 charges 2 of which were felony charges.  From what we have all seen, did he do worse than what Ray Epps did that day?

What about the ONLY fatality that day, that being an unarmed woman shot almost point blank by Capitol Police?  As a former law enforcement officer myself, I don't see how that shooting was justified.  She posed no real threat and her actions could have been stopped in a non-lethal way.  The officer has never been investigated nor his identity ever made public.

If you can't see where "something doesn't seem right" here, then I don't know what to say.

Something is definitely NOT right here. 

A bunch of [BLEEP] morons trespassed the capitol bldg after beating and bludgeoning police officers and spraying them with bear spray. 

That was definitely NOT right. 

The cop who shot that poor woman was the last line of defense between an angry mob of lunatics and lawmakers. 
This rabble were chanting that they were going to hang Mike Pence and included at least three different militia groups present exchanging plans on openly monitored channels that they were going to kidnap lawmakers that day. 

You can keep burying your head in the sand and calling these idiots "tourists" or whatever - but many were not that at all. The evidence is plain - and that poor woman got EXACTLY what was coming to her for thinking she could interfere with the certification of a fairly accounted election. 

That cop did his job by protecting OUR elected officials from a violent rabble of rioters and domestic terrorists. 

They let them advance as far they could without lethal force until there was only one line left to breach. 
And they had no choice but to do this because of the sheer numbers of rioters vs officers. 

Also - tons of misdemeanors without felonies were charged after that day. 
I'm surprised they bothered with Epps at all, I only posted it because of all of the idiotic conspiracies ppl tried to cook up around that clown in this forum. You have to look at each case individually.

I think the thing most "not right" here is your complete blindness to the reality of what happened.

Assuming this to be true AND that it occurred before the shot was taken, how do we know the shooting officer had that information at the crucial moment?  

How could anyone know her thoughts?  There were a few leaders present, but most of the people there were just idiots following the crowd.  

Doesn't it seem odd to you that only one officer felt the use of deadly force was justified?

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When you get into the endzone, act like you've been there before.

Something is definitely NOT right here. 

A bunch of [BLEEP] morons trespassed the capitol bldg after beating and bludgeoning police officers and spraying them with bear spray. 

That was definitely NOT right. 

The cop who shot that poor woman was the last line of defense between an angry mob of lunatics and lawmakers. 
This rabble were chanting that they were going to hang Mike Pence and included at least three different militia groups present exchanging plans on openly monitored channels that they were going to kidnap lawmakers that day. 

You can keep burying your head in the sand and calling these idiots "tourists" or whatever - but many were not that at all. The evidence is plain - and that poor woman got EXACTLY what was coming to her for thinking she could interfere with the certification of a fairly accounted election. 

That cop did his job by protecting OUR elected officials from a violent rabble of rioters and domestic terrorists. 

They let them advance as far they could without lethal force until there was only one line left to breach. 
And they had no choice but to do this because of the sheer numbers of rioters vs officers. 

Also - tons of misdemeanors without felonies were charged after that day. 
I'm surprised they bothered with Epps at all, I only posted it because of all of the idiotic conspiracies ppl tried to cook up around that clown in this forum. You have to look at each case individually.

I think the thing most "not right" here is your complete blindness to the reality of what happened.

Assuming this to be true AND that it occurred before the shot was taken, how do we know the shooting officer had that information at the crucial moment?  

How could anyone know her thoughts?  There were a few leaders present, but most of the people there were just idiots following the crowd.  

Doesn't it seem odd to you that only one officer felt the use of deadly force was justified? 
NO
Once he did that - the mob stopped attempting to breech the final perimeter of safety. It literally only took the one shot. If other officers had opened fire at the security points prior it would have been a bloodbath. This was the most efficient use of force possible and it could have been avoided if the trespasser had simply complied with police instruction. 

Not sure how to make this more clear.

The rioters had passed through several security points long before arriving at the entrance to the lobby of the House Chamber where lawmakers were huddled in fear. These few officers were the only ones left between a mob and lawmakers they were ordered to protect. 

Babbit's thoughts at the time don't matter. She was instructed by police not to continue attempting to breach, but she did anyway and they shot her to protect our elected officials. 

Here. Read this. Maybe you'll get it. It is very clear. 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/off...e-n1277736

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Doesn't it strike you as odd in the least bit that he would be charged with a misdemeanor when so many others have been charged and sentenced for much more serious crimes?  Would you call what he was doing (which is clearly on tape) a misdemeanor?

Jacob Chansley was sentenced to 41 months in prison for simply entering and walking through the Capitol while being escorted by Capitol Police.  He was indicted on 6 charges 2 of which were felony charges.  From what we have all seen, did he do worse than what Ray Epps did that day?

What about the ONLY fatality that day, that being an unarmed woman shot almost point blank by Capitol Police?  As a former law enforcement officer myself, I don't see how that shooting was justified.  She posed no real threat and her actions could have been stopped in a non-lethal way.  The officer has never been investigated nor his identity ever made public.

If you can't see where "something doesn't seem right" here, then I don't know what to say.

Something is definitely NOT right here. 

A bunch of [BLEEP] morons trespassed the capitol bldg after beating and bludgeoning police officers and spraying them with bear spray. 

That was definitely NOT right. 

The cop who shot that poor woman was the last line of defense between an angry mob of lunatics and lawmakers. 
This rabble were chanting that they were going to hang Mike Pence and included at least three different militia groups present exchanging plans on openly monitored channels that they were going to kidnap lawmakers that day. 

You can keep burying your head in the sand and calling these idiots "tourists" or whatever - but many were not that at all. The evidence is plain - and that poor woman got EXACTLY what was coming to her for thinking she could interfere with the certification of a fairly accounted election. 

That cop did his job by protecting OUR elected officials from a violent rabble of rioters and domestic terrorists. 

They let them advance as far they could without lethal force until there was only one line left to breach. 
And they had no choice but to do this because of the sheer numbers of rioters vs officers. 

Also - tons of misdemeanors without felonies were charged after that day. 
I'm surprised they bothered with Epps at all, I only posted it because of all of the idiotic conspiracies ppl tried to cook up around that clown in this forum. You have to look at each case individually.

I think the thing most "not right" here is your complete blindness to the reality of what happened.

Pretend for a moment there is no Trump.  Pretend you do not know party affiliation.  100% completely objective.  There are a lot of things that can be objectively questionable.  100% the conservative’s are reaching and 100% the never Trumper’s refuse to see oddities.  The truth lies somewhere in the middle.

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Original Season Ticket Holder - Retired  1995 - 2020


At some point you just have to let go of what you thought should happen and live in what is happening.
 

Assuming this to be true AND that it occurred before the shot was taken, how do we know the shooting officer had that information at the crucial moment?  

How could anyone know her thoughts?  There were a few leaders present, but most of the people there were just idiots following the crowd.  

Doesn't it seem odd to you that only one officer felt the use of deadly force was justified? 
NO
Once he did that - the mob stopped attempting to breech the final perimeter of safety. It literally only took the one shot. If other officers had opened fire at the security points prior it would have been a bloodbath. This was the most efficient use of force possible and it could have been avoided if the trespasser had simply complied with police instruction. 

Not sure how to make this more clear.

The rioters had passed through several security points long before arriving at the entrance to the lobby of the House Chamber where lawmakers were huddled in fear. These few officers were the only ones left between a mob and lawmakers they were ordered to protect. 

Babbit's thoughts at the time don't matter. She was instructed by police not to continue attempting to breach, but she did anyway and they shot her to protect our elected officials. 

Here. Read this. Maybe you'll get it. It is very clear. 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/off...e-n1277736

His ignorance will always beat your knowledge.  At least in his own mind.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

Something is definitely NOT right here. 

A bunch of [BLEEP] morons trespassed the capitol bldg after beating and bludgeoning police officers and spraying them with bear spray. 

That was definitely NOT right. 

The cop who shot that poor woman was the last line of defense between an angry mob of lunatics and lawmakers. 
This rabble were chanting that they were going to hang Mike Pence and included at least three different militia groups present exchanging plans on openly monitored channels that they were going to kidnap lawmakers that day. 

You can keep burying your head in the sand and calling these idiots "tourists" or whatever - but many were not that at all. The evidence is plain - and that poor woman got EXACTLY what was coming to her for thinking she could interfere with the certification of a fairly accounted election. 

That cop did his job by protecting OUR elected officials from a violent rabble of rioters and domestic terrorists. 

They let them advance as far they could without lethal force until there was only one line left to breach. 
And they had no choice but to do this because of the sheer numbers of rioters vs officers. 

Also - tons of misdemeanors without felonies were charged after that day. 
I'm surprised they bothered with Epps at all, I only posted it because of all of the idiotic conspiracies ppl tried to cook up around that clown in this forum. You have to look at each case individually.

I think the thing most "not right" here is your complete blindness to the reality of what happened.

Pretend for a moment there is no Trump.  Pretend you do not know party affiliation.  100% completely objective.  There are a lot of things that can be objectively questionable.  100% the conservative’s are reaching and 100% the never Trumper’s refuse to see oddities.  The truth lies somewhere in the middle.

I have no difficulty pretending that the events of Jan 6 happened in a different place and time with no Trump, no Republicans, and no Democrats.  Imagining it this way gives great clarity.  It was an insurrection and an attempted coup.  Think of any other country that you know pretty well.  Imagine those events occurring in the Berlin Bundestag or the Baghdad green zone.  You wouldn't hesitate to call it an insurrection.  Or maybe your imagination and empathy just aren't that good.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

Something is definitely NOT right here. 

A bunch of [BLEEP] morons trespassed the capitol bldg after beating and bludgeoning police officers and spraying them with bear spray. 

That was definitely NOT right. 

The cop who shot that poor woman was the last line of defense between an angry mob of lunatics and lawmakers. 
This rabble were chanting that they were going to hang Mike Pence and included at least three different militia groups present exchanging plans on openly monitored channels that they were going to kidnap lawmakers that day. 

You can keep burying your head in the sand and calling these idiots "tourists" or whatever - but many were not that at all. The evidence is plain - and that poor woman got EXACTLY what was coming to her for thinking she could interfere with the certification of a fairly accounted election. 

That cop did his job by protecting OUR elected officials from a violent rabble of rioters and domestic terrorists. 

They let them advance as far they could without lethal force until there was only one line left to breach. 
And they had no choice but to do this because of the sheer numbers of rioters vs officers. 

Also - tons of misdemeanors without felonies were charged after that day. 
I'm surprised they bothered with Epps at all, I only posted it because of all of the idiotic conspiracies ppl tried to cook up around that clown in this forum. You have to look at each case individually.

I think the thing most "not right" here is your complete blindness to the reality of what happened.

Pretend for a moment there is no Trump.  Pretend you do not know party affiliation.  100% completely objective.  There are a lot of things that can be objectively questionable.  100% the conservative’s are reaching and 100% the never Trumper’s refuse to see oddities.  The truth lies somewhere in the middle.

LOL

The truth on this topic is very plain and clear. You apparently just want too convolute it. 

I'll lay it out for you:

• Rioters made up of several dozen actual domestic terrorists, a few freak show bad people, a large number of useful idiots who believed a lie and got really riled up by it, and a few hundred bystanders that got swept up in the moment,  assaulted American police officers in order to trespass into a federal building where our election was being certified
  
• 140 officers (80 cap police, 60 metro) experienced some degree of assault by the 3,500 or so rioters, roughly 2,000 of which actually entered the building. 
  
• When a group of them finally got close enough to lawmakers to inflict harm - lethal force was used after instructions failed
  
• The most organized among these rioters had plans in place for several days and all of this has been hashed out in dozens of articles and publicly available court records. 
  These group's goals included intent to kidnap lawmakers, make demands about the election results after taking hostages, and some even openly discussed killing certain lawmakers. The FBI didn't coerce them to do it. Antifa didn't trick them. They thought the election was stolen (when it wasn't) and they decided to attempt some crackpot insurrection. 

Now many of them are deservedly in jail. 

The end.

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Pretend for a moment there is no Trump.  Pretend you do not know party affiliation.  100% completely objective.  There are a lot of things that can be objectively questionable.  100% the conservative’s are reaching and 100% the never Trumper’s refuse to see oddities.  The truth lies somewhere in the middle.

LOL

The truth on this topic is very plain and clear. You apparently just want too convolute it. 

I'll lay it out for you:

• Rioters made up of several dozen actual domestic terrorists, a few freak show bad people, a large number of useful idiots who believed a lie and got really riled up by it, and a few hundred bystanders that got swept up in the moment,  assaulted American police officers in order to trespass into a federal building where our election was being certified
  
• 140 officers (80 cap police, 60 metro) experienced some degree of assault by the 3,500 or so rioters, roughly 2,000 of which actually entered the building. 
  
• When a group of them finally got close enough to lawmakers to inflict harm - lethal force was used after instructions failed
  
• The most organized among these rioters had plans in place for several days and all of this has been hashed out in dozens of articles and publicly available court records. 
  These group's goals included intent to kidnap lawmakers, make demands about the election results after taking hostages, and some even openly discussed killing certain lawmakers. The FBI didn't coerce them to do it. Antifa didn't trick them. They thought the election was stolen (when it wasn't) and they decided to attempt some crackpot insurrection. 
  

Now many of them are deservedly in jail. 

The end.

How am I convoluting anything?  I asked a very simple question because all I see from both sides is excusing the transgressions of their side while persecuting the other side for doing the exact same thing.  For the record, I agree that the knuckleheads breaking windows, assaulting officers and inciting violence should be prosecuted.  That’s not exactly what is happening here however.  Seems more like a selective enforcement.

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Original Season Ticket Holder - Retired  1995 - 2020


At some point you just have to let go of what you thought should happen and live in what is happening.
 

LOL

The truth on this topic is very plain and clear. You apparently just want too convolute it. 

I'll lay it out for you:

• Rioters made up of several dozen actual domestic terrorists, a few freak show bad people, a large number of useful idiots who believed a lie and got really riled up by it, and a few hundred bystanders that got swept up in the moment,  assaulted American police officers in order to trespass into a federal building where our election was being certified
  
• 140 officers (80 cap police, 60 metro) experienced some degree of assault by the 3,500 or so rioters, roughly 2,000 of which actually entered the building. 
  
• When a group of them finally got close enough to lawmakers to inflict harm - lethal force was used after instructions failed
  
• The most organized among these rioters had plans in place for several days and all of this has been hashed out in dozens of articles and publicly available court records. 
  These group's goals included intent to kidnap lawmakers, make demands about the election results after taking hostages, and some even openly discussed killing certain lawmakers. The FBI didn't coerce them to do it. Antifa didn't trick them. They thought the election was stolen (when it wasn't) and they decided to attempt some crackpot insurrection. 
  

Now many of them are deservedly in jail. 

The end.

How am I convoluting anything?  I asked a very simple question because all I see from both sides is excusing the transgressions of their side while persecuting the other side for doing the exact same thing.  For the record, I agree that the knuckleheads breaking windows, assaulting officers and inciting violence should be prosecuted.  That’s not exactly what is happening here however.  Seems more like a selective enforcement.

All of your Trump invocations reeked of agenda. 
Apologies. 

I haven't analyzed every single case brought against every single rioter that day, but as evidence has been gathered over time - more than 1100 of those "2000" who trespassed that day have been charged. That number went from 700 back in July to over 1100 now. Seems to me they have been systematically gathering evidence and prosecuting. 
What is selective about this to you?

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