At what point do we start looking at Phil Rauscher?

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At what point do we start looking at Phil Rauscher?

Not sure. I didn't realize how young he is though. He's 38 years old. Prior to 2021 he was just an assistant coach. His first up to bat as an actual positional coach was in 2021 with the Vikings and then came here last year in 2022 with Pederson. 

For me, I think it boils down to the development of Fortner and Harrison. Fortner so far has yet to really show he's learned much or developed much strength from his rookie year into just two weeks of his second season. Harrison obviously still has the jury out on him for a year or two.

Same can technically be said for Fortner I guess. Robinson, Little & Bartch were already here. Scherff was also a proven veteran with a well established history of being competent and also injury prone. 

So far, it's like we've asked the guy to make magic out of lunchmeat. Whether we like it or not, it has been the one group on this football team that has honestly received the least amount of prioritization. There probably should have been a serious push to recruit or sign up a long term veteran at Center. 

Fortner, again, he only had one year of experience as a Center coming out of college. He could have been a decent Guard maybe to fill in for Bartch. Maybe we'll get better play with Robinson back at LT and Little being moved to LG or RT. We just won't know until guys get back and get healthier. 

I think that's the biggest thing. This entire line is dumpy when it comes to injuries.

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At what point do we start looking at Phil Rauscher?

I'm already side-eyeing the [BLEEP] out of Phil Rauscher, but I'll wait till after the London trip to officially freak out. 
Trying to give his system time to settle in with the current line, but it sure seems like the approach this season is to focus on what they did poorly last year and do those things even worse.

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At what point do we start looking at Phil Rauscher?

Not sure. I didn't realize how young he is though. He's 38 years old. Prior to 2021 he was just an assistant coach. His first up to bat as an actual positional coach was in 2021 with the Vikings and then came here last year in 2022 with Pederson. 

For me, I think it boils down to the development of Fortner and Harrison. Fortner so far has yet to really show he's learned much or developed much strength from his rookie year into just two weeks of his second season. Harrison obviously still has the jury out on him for a year or two.

Same can technically be said for Fortner I guess. Robinson, Little & Bartch were already here. Scherff was also a proven veteran with a well established history of being competent and also injury prone. 

So far, it's like we've asked the guy to make magic out of lunchmeat. Whether we like it or not, it has been the one group on this football team that has honestly received the least amount of prioritization. There probably should have been a serious push to recruit or sign up a long term veteran at Center. 

Fortner, again, he only had one year of experience as a Center coming out of college. He could have been a decent Guard maybe to fill in for Bartch. Maybe we'll get better play with Robinson back at LT and Little being moved to LG or RT. We just won't know until guys get back and get healthier. 

I think that's the biggest thing. This entire line is dumpy when it comes to injuries.

I dont know about this.  We brought in Scherff who we made the highest paid G a couple of years ago when we brought him in, he a former All Pro.  Little was drafted in the 2nd  a couple years ago.  Cam is a 2nd round pick we signed to a nice contract.  Drafted Fortner 2 years ago with the first pick in the 3rd round. Bartch is a 4th round pick and we just drafted a tackle with our first round pick this year.  We have spent resorces on oline they just arent very good outside of Little.

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Don't worry guys we just have to let our QB wear 5 sacks again before we address the oline issue in draft and F/A

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Don't worry guys we just have to let our QB wear 5 sacks again before we address the oline issue in draft and F/A

Cool, as long as there is a plan in place.

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A new broom always sweeps clean.

Don't worry guys we just have to let our QB wear 5 sacks again before we address the oline issue in draft and F/A

Cool, as long as there is a plan in place.

Cryo freeze Trevor until next season, beathard can take the sacks for the team 

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So...am I the only person thinking that we may need to sign CAM to an extension? I mean, if Little can play LG, and we can move Bartch to RG...

Extend him at a discounted rate...draft two offensive linemen?

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Brandon Scherff is no longer that dude.   Next season I want him gone.

So...am I the only person thinking that we may need to sign CAM to an extension?  I mean, if Little can play LG, and we can move Bartch to RG... 

Extend him at a discounted rate...draft two offensive linemen?

No. Unless it's at a discount. He's only managed to play one full season in his six year career. He just cost the team four games because of PED use. Someone made a good point about that as well in this thread or the other thread. How long was he using PED's, and, how will he now look without PED's?

He's not a fantastic blocker as well. Again, mind you, this guy is the reason Lawrence got bent like gumby in Detroit last year which ended up [BLEEP] up his toe and having him on the injury report for the remainder of the season. 

I think you keep Little at LT, you hope Bartch improves at LG starting this Sunday, and, you make Robinson work his way into the line-up elsewhere over the span of two, three weeks or he can sit his overpaid [BLEEP] on the bench and look even more selfish when he hits the open market. 

I don't think you punish Little unless he falls off a cliff performance wise. He's been the best lineman we have this year. I also don't think you break a rookie's confidence at RT in Harrison because he did get delt a tough start with Buckner and Jones this year. I think he'll improve as well. Even Chris Jones showed some class and shouted out the kid about him being a good player down the road. 

It's the interior that needs to be resolved. Bartch - Fortner - Scherff. I would tell Robinson to get it into his head now before he's back on the roster officially allowed to play. I believe he's allowed in the team building. But, it's "Look, you either learn how to play inside or you can ride the pine and be a swing tackle". 

That's his only option for me. Again, all predicated on whether or not Little begins to [BLEEP] the bed at LT.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

Possible to see a couple variations. I believe Tugboat and his development once back will play intothis.

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A new broom always sweeps clean.

So...am I the only person thinking that we may need to sign CAM to an extension?  I mean, if Little can play LG, and we can move Bartch to RG... 

Extend him at a discounted rate...draft two offensive linemen?

No. Unless it's at a discount. He's only managed to play one full season in his six year career. He just cost the team four games because of PED use. Someone made a good point about that as well in this thread or the other thread. How long was he using PED's, and, how will he now look without PED's?

He's not a fantastic blocker as well. Again, mind you, this guy is the reason Lawrence got bent like gumby in Detroit last year which ended up [BLEEP] up his toe and having him on the injury report for the remainder of the season. 

I think you keep Little at LT, you hope Bartch improves at LG starting this Sunday, and, you make Robinson work his way into the line-up elsewhere over the span of two, three weeks or he can sit his overpaid [BLEEP] on the bench and look even more selfish when he hits the open market. 

I don't think you punish Little unless he falls off a cliff performance wise. He's been the best lineman we have this year. I also don't think you break a rookie's confidence at RT in Harrison because he did get delt a tough start with Buckner and Jones this year. I think he'll improve as well. Even Chris Jones showed some class and shouted out the kid about him being a good player down the road. 

It's the interior that needs to be resolved. Bartch - Fortner - Scherff. I would tell Robinson to get it into his head now before he's back on the roster officially allowed to play. I believe he's allowed in the team building. But, it's "Look, you either learn how to play inside or you can ride the pine and be a swing tackle". 

That's his only option for me. Again, all predicated on whether or not Little begins to [BLEEP] the bed at LT.

I don’t disagree. True, he’s never played guard except for a few reps in preseason. But he can learn. He can prove his versatility and help himself when he hits free agency. He can’t be worse than Bartch has been.

As for Fortner, if he has a bad game this week, he needs to go to the bench and let Shatley give it a go. Shat ‘s need serviceable before.


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So...am I the only person thinking that we may need to sign CAM to an extension?  I mean, if Little can play LG, and we can move Bartch to RG... 

Extend him at a discounted rate...draft two offensive linemen?

Cam got signed to a big deal.

Then promptly played well below his new salary, nearly got Trevor's ankle broken, and then got his dumb [BLEEP] suspended. 

He can go be someone else's problem. 

No need to cling to mediocrity. UPGRADE the line!

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No. Unless it's at a discount. He's only managed to play one full season in his six year career. He just cost the team four games because of PED use. Someone made a good point about that as well in this thread or the other thread. How long was he using PED's, and, how will he now look without PED's?

He's not a fantastic blocker as well. Again, mind you, this guy is the reason Lawrence got bent like gumby in Detroit last year which ended up [BLEEP] up his toe and having him on the injury report for the remainder of the season. 

I think you keep Little at LT, you hope Bartch improves at LG starting this Sunday, and, you make Robinson work his way into the line-up elsewhere over the span of two, three weeks or he can sit his overpaid [BLEEP] on the bench and look even more selfish when he hits the open market. 

I don't think you punish Little unless he falls off a cliff performance wise. He's been the best lineman we have this year. I also don't think you break a rookie's confidence at RT in Harrison because he did get delt a tough start with Buckner and Jones this year. I think he'll improve as well. Even Chris Jones showed some class and shouted out the kid about him being a good player down the road. 

It's the interior that needs to be resolved. Bartch - Fortner - Scherff. I would tell Robinson to get it into his head now before he's back on the roster officially allowed to play. I believe he's allowed in the team building. But, it's "Look, you either learn how to play inside or you can ride the pine and be a swing tackle". 

That's his only option for me. Again, all predicated on whether or not Little begins to [BLEEP] the bed at LT.

I don’t disagree. True, he’s never played guard except for a few reps in preseason. But he can learn. He can prove his versatility and help himself when he hits free agency. He can’t be worse than Bartch has been.

As for Fortner, if he has a bad game this week, he needs to go to the bench and let Shatley give it a go. Shat ‘s need serviceable before.


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Robinson is big enough and physical enough to be an asset as a Guard more than likely. He does have a mean streak in him. I just think he gets lazy at times playing LT and it's shown up here and there in the worst of ways. I think you don't have to start him right away when he's allowed to practice. 

Give him a solid 25 - 30 practice reps for two, three weeks at Guard at each practice before getting him into the starting lineup, or, you work him during situations that are short yardage or for special teams plays. 

I just think it's a bad look that you tell your 2nd RD pick in Little who is playing better than the other four guys to the right of him to be kicked inside at Guard because Cam is back and it's his job. With Bartch, he's a tough one. I like Shatley. I think you have to consider upgrading one of these Guard spots if he completely gets bulldozed this Sunday.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

So...am I the only person thinking that we may need to sign CAM to an extension? I mean, if Little can play LG, and we can move Bartch to RG...

Extend him at a discounted rate...draft two offensive linemen?

Robinson’s contract has to go imo.

Completely agree with drafting multiple offensive linemen however. Day one and day two picks!

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So...am I the only person thinking that we may need to sign CAM to an extension?  I mean, if Little can play LG, and we can move Bartch to RG... 

Extend him at a discounted rate...draft two offensive linemen?

Cam got signed to a big deal.

Then promptly played well below his new salary, nearly got Trevor's ankle broken, and then got his dumb [BLEEP] suspended. 

He can go be someone else's problem. 

No need to cling to mediocrity. UPGRADE the line!

Totally agree!

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I wish we had the same talent as the Browns do on the OLine.

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So...am I the only person thinking that we may need to sign CAM to an extension?  I mean, if Little can play LG, and we can move Bartch to RG... 

Extend him at a discounted rate...draft two offensive linemen?

It's one or the other. Cam or Little. Make your choice and let the other one move on.

Right now, Little is doing well at LT, and is versatile, having filled in at RT, LG when needed, and playing on a rookie deal.

Cam is good at LT (not great), has not played other positions since college, has had multiple seasons ended by injury, and will be pricey.

I stick with the younger, healthier guy, for now. Things may change, anyone is a bad hit away from a ruined career.

But yes, I keep our money invested in skill position players and draft some interior help. Scherff isn't getting younger, and Bartch and Fortner can certainly be upgraded.

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So...am I the only person thinking that we may need to sign CAM to an extension?  I mean, if Little can play LG, and we can move Bartch to RG... 

Extend him at a discounted rate...draft two offensive linemen?

It's one or the other. Cam or Little. Make your choice and let the other one move on.

Right now, Little is doing well at LT, and is versatile, having filled in at RT, LG when needed, and playing on a rookie deal.

Cam is good at LT (not great), has not played other positions since college, has had multiple seasons ended by injury, and will be pricey.

I stick with the younger, healthier guy, for now. Things may change, anyone is a bad hit away from a ruined career.

But yes, I keep our money invested in skill position players and draft some interior help. Scherff isn't getting younger, and Bartch and Fortner can certainly be upgraded.

What other positions did he play in college?

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It would seem that Baalke has slightly over prioritized the playmakers and under prioritized the O-Line. Strange and Bigsby are fine but a big nasty guard would sit well with me.

Maybe even two

I'm on record wanting O'Cyrus Torrence with our second round pick.  I know it's early and hopefully Strange will become a good long term player for us.  However, through two games, he doesn't have a single reception.  I'm sure he's contributing some as a blocker, but wouldn't Torrence have contributed much much more to our blocking efforts?

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I really get them wanting to load up on skill positions. But better long term success would have been had by upgrading the OL.

On the other hand, cheap pay for the QB is running out “ahead of schedule” due to the lost year under Urban.


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Fix the O-Line!