Basically a bad team taking a RB in the top 10 is a bad move.

Obviously with hindsight we should have taken McCaffery over Fournette but the Panthers only finished above 500 once in all the time he was there I believe however good he is.

He can obviously make a real difference on an elite team as he's proving now with the Niners

This is the point I've made for months with which some folks here keep arguing. The article I posted yesterday goes back 10 years to look at how consistently true that fact is, even discussing that the year CMac was the best RB in the League the team only finished 5-11. In short, RBs don't make bad teams good, but they can make good teams great, hence bad teams shouldn't take them early in the draft.

Go back through the recent history of the draft, and tell me which non-QB taken in the last half of the first round single-handedly made a bad team good.

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This is the point I've made for months with which some folks here keep arguing. The article I posted yesterday goes back 10 years to look at how consistently true that fact is, even discussing that the year CMac was the best RB in the League the team only finished 5-11. In short, RBs don't make bad teams good, but they can make good teams great, hence bad teams shouldn't take them early in the draft.

Go back through the recent history of the draft, and tell me which non-QB taken in the last half of the first round single-handedly made a bad team good.

It's not about single handedly, it's about largest impact, so why spend valuable draft capital on the one least likely to do it and for the shortest amount of time with the cheapest replacement cost? It's simply about value and running backs don't have it. It's the same reason why they're [BLEEP] about their contracts, because they are at the bottom of the value list in this League and now they're getting paid like it.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

This is the point I've made for months with which some folks here keep arguing. The article I posted yesterday goes back 10 years to look at how consistently true that fact is, even discussing that the year CMac was the best RB in the League the team only finished 5-11. In short, RBs don't make bad teams good, but they can make good teams great, hence bad teams shouldn't take them early in the draft.

Go back through the recent history of the draft, and tell me which non-QB taken in the last half of the first round single-handedly made a bad team good.

But with other positions with longer careers on average there's a better chance they'll still be good when the team is.

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Go back through the recent history of the draft, and tell me which non-QB taken in the last half of the first round single-handedly made a bad team good.

It's not about single handedly, it's about largest impact, so why spend valuable draft capital on the one least likely to do it and for the shortest amount of time with the cheapest replacement cost? It's simply about value and running backs don't have it. It's the same reason why they're [BLEEP] about their contracts, because they are at the bottom of the value list in this League and now they're getting paid like it.

Can’t wait for the Jags to give ETN a second contract that he doesn’t live up to…..

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It's not about single handedly, it's about largest impact, so why spend valuable draft capital on the one least likely to do it and for the shortest amount of time with the cheapest replacement cost? It's simply about value and running backs don't have it. It's the same reason why they're [BLEEP] about their contracts, because they are at the bottom of the value list in this League and now they're getting paid like it.

Can’t wait for the Jags to give ETN a second contract that he doesn’t live up to…..

And that's the thing, I like him and hope that he's worth every penny of a second deal. But he's also already missed an entire season of productivity and, while he looks good now, we know that injury leads to chronic foot problems for twitch players, which circles back to the meat grinding short careers point. I want this team to win and win big but what are the odds that this team, the #becausejaguars, actually drafted the RB Unicorn? I guess we're due, but that doesn't mean we should start a Guided Unicorn Hunting Safari business.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Can’t wait for the Jags to give ETN a second contract that he doesn’t live up to…..

And that's the thing, I like him and hope that he's worth every penny of a second deal. But he's also already missed an entire season of productivity and, while he looks good now, we know that injury leads to chronic foot problems for twitch players, which circles back to the meat grinding short careers point. I want this team to win and win big but what are the odds that this team, the #becausejaguars, actually drafted the RB Unicorn? I guess we're due, but that doesn't mean we should start a Guided Unicorn Hunting Safari business.

With Baalke drafting a RB in every draft, and, in some cases, showing he's willing to trade up to secure one? We won't have to worry about Etienne for long. They'll give him the Josh Jacobs treatment and Johnathan Taylor treatment. Tag him, force him to play on a team friendly deal or sit, etc.

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Let’s just enjoy the present. He is out best back since MjD.

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Let’s just enjoy the present. He is out best back since MjD.

We'll keep having this conversation every time ETN has a good day and some folks try spiking the football for him. It's the nature of the beast.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Can’t wait for the Jags to give ETN a second contract that he doesn’t live up to…..

And that's the thing, I like him and hope that he's worth every penny of a second deal. But he's also already missed an entire season of productivity and, while he looks good now, we know that injury leads to chronic foot problems for twitch players, which circles back to the meat grinding short careers point. I want this team to win and win big but what are the odds that this team, the #becausejaguars, actually drafted the RB Unicorn? I guess we're due, but that doesn't mean we should start a Guided Unicorn Hunting Safari business.

How many running backs recently have lived up to a bit contract. Almost none and that's the problem

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Basically a bad team taking a RB in the top 10 is a bad move.

Obviously with hindsight we should have taken McCaffery over Fournette but the Panthers only finished above 500 once in all the time he was there I believe however good he is.

He can obviously make a real difference on an elite team as he's proving now with the Niners

This is the point I've made for months with which some folks here keep arguing. The article I posted yesterday goes back 10 years to look at how consistently true that fact is, even discussing that the year CMac was the best RB in the League the team only finished 5-11. In short, RBs don't make bad teams good, but they can make good teams great, hence bad teams shouldn't take them early in the draft.

The Panthers su ked and CMC had no help and they had no QB.  Joe Thomas is  HOF QB and his team sucked the whole time he was there.  So with that logic we should take an elite tackle early

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Basically a bad team taking a RB in the top 10 is a bad move.

Obviously with hindsight we should have taken McCaffery over Fournette but the Panthers only finished above 500 once in all the time he was there I believe however good he is.

He can obviously make a real difference on an elite team as he's proving now with the Niners

The 49ers were winning before him and they’ll win after him. 

That team is good because of Shannahan and Lynch.

And in hindsight, the Jags should have taken Mahomes lol

Naw, Mahomes would of been a average QB if the Jags took him.  No Reid and really no talent around him

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This is the point I've made for months with which some folks here keep arguing. The article I posted yesterday goes back 10 years to look at how consistently true that fact is, even discussing that the year CMac was the best RB in the League the team only finished 5-11. In short, RBs don't make bad teams good, but they can make good teams great, hence bad teams shouldn't take them early in the draft.

The Panthers su ked and CMC had no help and they had no QB.  Joe Thomas is  HOF QB and his team sucked the whole time he was there.  So with that logic we should take an elite tackle early

No comparison tbf. Joe Thomas was a much more valuable player than CMC.

He was pretty much the best at his position for over a decade all with the Browns.

And if they wanted to move him for capitol can you imagine what a contender would've traded for a 28yo Joe Thomas?

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And that's the thing, I like him and hope that he's worth every penny of a second deal. But he's also already missed an entire season of productivity and, while he looks good now, we know that injury leads to chronic foot problems for twitch players, which circles back to the meat grinding short careers point. I want this team to win and win big but what are the odds that this team, the #becausejaguars, actually drafted the RB Unicorn? I guess we're due, but that doesn't mean we should start a Guided Unicorn Hunting Safari business.

With Baalke drafting a RB in every draft, and, in some cases, showing he's willing to trade up to secure one? We won't have to worry about Etienne for long. They'll give him the Josh Jacobs treatment and Johnathan Taylor treatment. Tag him, force him to play on a team friendly deal or sit, etc.

Yup, we can have him for another 4 years before we have to give I'm an extension.  That's the least of my worries.  By then backs will realize it's the norm and teams got smarter with it.

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Let’s just enjoy the present. He is out best back since MjD.

This is my preferred approach as well. 
We can rehash draft strategy in March LOL

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Let’s just enjoy the present. He is out best back since MjD.

This is my preferred approach as well. 
We can rehash draft strategy in March LOL

Please no.

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This is my preferred approach as well. 
We can rehash draft strategy in March LOL

Please no.

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Go back through the recent history of the draft, and tell me which non-QB taken in the last half of the first round single-handedly made a bad team good.

It's not about single handedly, it's about largest impact, so why spend valuable draft capital on the one least likely to do it and for the shortest amount of time with the cheapest replacement cost? It's simply about value and running backs don't have it. It's the same reason why they're [BLEEP] about their contracts, because they are at the bottom of the value list in this League and now they're getting paid like it.

You said running backs don't make bad teams good, therefore they should not be selected where Etienne was, which was late in the first round.  And my question for you is, what other single player (other than getting lucky on a QB) would make a bad team good?  There aren't any.

And besides, the choice isn't do we pick a RB or do we pick another position.  The choice is, do we pick THIS player or do we pick THAT player.  If we go by your rule, we'd pass on Barry Sanders and take some other guy, just because he plays a different position that you consider more impactful.

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It's not about single handedly, it's about largest impact, so why spend valuable draft capital on the one least likely to do it and for the shortest amount of time with the cheapest replacement cost? It's simply about value and running backs don't have it. It's the same reason why they're [BLEEP] about their contracts, because they are at the bottom of the value list in this League and now they're getting paid like it.

You said running backs don't make bad teams good, therefore they should not be selected where Etienne was, which was late in the first round.  And my question for you is, what other single player (other than getting lucky on a QB) would make a bad team good?  There aren't any.

And besides, the choice isn't do we pick a RB or do we pick another position.  The choice is, do we pick THIS player or do we pick THAT player.  If we go by your rule, we'd pass on Barry Sanders and take some other guy, just because he plays a different position that you consider more impactful.

I realize you aren't asking me, but I see first round r-back selections as a no-no unless you feel 100% certain they are a Barry Sanders type difference maker or you have a really stacked roster already. 

I don't think anyone saw ETN as some generational talent, but rather Meyer and Baalke were trying to roster a position with traits deemed crucial to the intended offensive system they'd run. 

I'm thrilled it worked out - He's fantastic -I just much prefer the lower stakes game of selecting a mid round RB every year and supplementing the depth with late round picks and UDFA. 

It's just a more efficient way of addressing a position that gets reloaded often in the NFL.
Look at it like playing the $5 roulette table at the casino for your RB - and reserving the high roller tables for positions that aren't as commonly hit on cheaper. 

This goes hand in hand with my tendency to want to spend draft capital on the OL.
A good OL would be making Tank Bigsby look like a superstar right now. We have the 31st ranked run blocking unit in the league.

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You said running backs don't make bad teams good, therefore they should not be selected where Etienne was, which was late in the first round.  And my question for you is, what other single player (other than getting lucky on a QB) would make a bad team good?  There aren't any.

And besides, the choice isn't do we pick a RB or do we pick another position.  The choice is, do we pick THIS player or do we pick THAT player.  If we go by your rule, we'd pass on Barry Sanders and take some other guy, just because he plays a different position that you consider more impactful.

I realize you aren't asking me, but I see first round r-back selections as a no-no unless you feel 100% certain they are a Barry Sanders type difference maker or you have a really stacked roster already. 

I don't think anyone saw ETN as some generational talent, but rather Meyer and Baalke were trying to roster a position with traits deemed crucial to the intended offensive system they'd run. 

I'm thrilled it worked out - He's fantastic -I just much prefer the lower stakes game of selecting a mid round RB every year and supplementing the depth with late round picks and UDFA. 

It's just a more efficient way of addressing a position that gets reloaded often in the NFL.
Look at it like playing the $5 roulette table at the casino for your RB - and reserving the high roller tables for positions that aren't as commonly hit on cheaper. 

This goes hand in hand with my tendency to want to spend draft capital on the OL.
A good OL would be making Tank Bigsby look like a superstar right now. We have the 31st ranked run blocking unit in the league.

This is how I see it too.

People love to use hindsight when discussing ETN as if the Jags didn't have (at the time healthy) James Robinson fresh off a great season. What happens if JRob doesn't get hurt? The Jags then used a 1st round pick on a RB to put him in a timeshare?

I'm VERY GLAD the Jags have ETN but drafting RBs in round 1 rarely works out long-term because almost no running back lives up to their 2nd contract. I would prefer to have my 1st rounder on the team for 10 years.

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I realize you aren't asking me, but I see first round r-back selections as a no-no unless you feel 100% certain they are a Barry Sanders type difference maker or you have a really stacked roster already. 

I don't think anyone saw ETN as some generational talent, but rather Meyer and Baalke were trying to roster a position with traits deemed crucial to the intended offensive system they'd run. 

I'm thrilled it worked out - He's fantastic -I just much prefer the lower stakes game of selecting a mid round RB every year and supplementing the depth with late round picks and UDFA. 

It's just a more efficient way of addressing a position that gets reloaded often in the NFL.
Look at it like playing the $5 roulette table at the casino for your RB - and reserving the high roller tables for positions that aren't as commonly hit on cheaper. 

This goes hand in hand with my tendency to want to spend draft capital on the OL.
A good OL would be making Tank Bigsby look like a superstar right now. We have the 31st ranked run blocking unit in the league.

This is how I see it too.

People love to use hindsight when discussing ETN as if the Jags didn't have (at the time healthy) James Robinson fresh off a great season. What happens if JRob doesn't get hurt? The Jags then used a 1st round pick on a RB to put him in a timeshare?

I'm VERY GLAD the Jags have ETN but drafting RBs in round 1 rarely works out long-term because almost no running back lives up to their 2nd contract. I would prefer to have my 1st rounder on the team for 10 years.

Given his undrafted status, I believe it was clearly evident durability was an issue. I don’t know how they know, but every team saw it.

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This is how I see it too.

People love to use hindsight when discussing ETN as if the Jags didn't have (at the time healthy) James Robinson fresh off a great season. What happens if JRob doesn't get hurt? The Jags then used a 1st round pick on a RB to put him in a timeshare?

I'm VERY GLAD the Jags have ETN but drafting RBs in round 1 rarely works out long-term because almost no running back lives up to their 2nd contract. I would prefer to have my 1st rounder on the team for 10 years.

Given his undrafted status, I believe it was clearly evident durability was an issue. I don’t know how they know, but every team saw it.

Except I think durability was one of his best attributes.

In his last 3 seasons in college, he played in all 11 games twice and 15 once. Then he played in 14 of 14 his rookie year and 13 of 14 in his sophomore year.

He went undrafted because he didn't have one attribute that made him elite (except I think his vision was elite).

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