https://twitter.com/PFF_Jaguars/status/1...97421?s=20


This stat can play both sides of the argument.
A top talent 1st rounder overcoming a bad line
or
Man, if we had a line - we wouldn't need a superstar back in order to hit 100 yds per game

Regardless, I'm glad we got a real one with that pick
Another Fournette-type result would have really sucked

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Given his undrafted status, I believe it was clearly evident durability was an issue. I don’t know how they know, but every team saw it.

Except I think durability was one of his best attributes.

In his last 3 seasons in college, he played in all 11 games twice and 15 once. Then he played in 14 of 14 his rookie year and 13 of 14 in his sophomore year.

He went undrafted because he didn't have one attribute that made him elite (except I think his vision was elite).

Well, okaaayyy.

I swear I read an article with a team scout who cited that about his undrafted status.

I would make a terrible eyewitness.

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You said running backs don't make bad teams good, therefore they should not be selected where Etienne was, which was late in the first round.  And my question for you is, what other single player (other than getting lucky on a QB) would make a bad team good?  There aren't any.

And besides, the choice isn't do we pick a RB or do we pick another position.  The choice is, do we pick THIS player or do we pick THAT player.  If we go by your rule, we'd pass on Barry Sanders and take some other guy, just because he plays a different position that you consider more impactful.

I realize you aren't asking me, but I see first round r-back selections as a no-no unless you feel 100% certain they are a Barry Sanders type difference maker or you have a really stacked roster already. 

I don't think anyone saw ETN as some generational talent, but rather Meyer and Baalke were trying to roster a position with traits deemed crucial to the intended offensive system they'd run. 

I'm thrilled it worked out - He's fantastic -I just much prefer the lower stakes game of selecting a mid round RB every year and supplementing the depth with late round picks and UDFA. 

It's just a more efficient way of addressing a position that gets reloaded often in the NFL.
Look at it like playing the $5 roulette table at the casino for your RB - and reserving the high roller tables for positions that aren't as commonly hit on cheaper. 

This goes hand in hand with my tendency to want to spend draft capital on the OL.
A good OL would be making Tank Bigsby look like a superstar right now. We have the 31st ranked run blocking unit in the league.

I don't know what you consider a generational talent but ETN was absolutely an elite RB prospect.  Elite college production, elite athletism score, and high character.  On your draft strategy, our whole oline is high draft picks.  The lowest drafted player is Fortner and he was the 1st pick in the 3rd round and we are 31st.

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I realize you aren't asking me, but I see first round r-back selections as a no-no unless you feel 100% certain they are a Barry Sanders type difference maker or you have a really stacked roster already. 

I don't think anyone saw ETN as some generational talent, but rather Meyer and Baalke were trying to roster a position with traits deemed crucial to the intended offensive system they'd run. 

I'm thrilled it worked out - He's fantastic -I just much prefer the lower stakes game of selecting a mid round RB every year and supplementing the depth with late round picks and UDFA. 

It's just a more efficient way of addressing a position that gets reloaded often in the NFL.
Look at it like playing the $5 roulette table at the casino for your RB - and reserving the high roller tables for positions that aren't as commonly hit on cheaper. 

This goes hand in hand with my tendency to want to spend draft capital on the OL.
A good OL would be making Tank Bigsby look like a superstar right now. We have the 31st ranked run blocking unit in the league.

I don't know what you consider a generational talent but ETN was absolutely an elite RB prospect.  Elite college production, elite athletism score, and high character.  On your draft strategy, our whole oline is high draft picks.  The lowest drafted player is Fortner and he was the 1st pick in the 3rd round and we are 31st.

Elite =\= generational 

I cited Barry [BLEEP] Sanders dude
Nobody thought Travis was Barry Sanders LOL

Don't mischaracterize our line
Cam is no longer a "pick" 
He was grossly overpaid in free agency 
Little was a gamble-injured-player selection 
Bartch was a 4th
Fortner was a wasted 3rd
Scherff is another overpaid FA currently almost earning it
And the one actual first round pick is having the most "welcome to the NFL" season I've ever seen

Get real, man 
"Our whole line is high draft picks"
LOL

Our line is two free agent signings that go between above average and "god help us" on a roller coaster when they aren't injured or [BLEEP] suspended
+
One good second round pick 
+ 
two absolute mid round busts 
+
One ACTUAL first round pick who is getting destroyed 

You can't be serious with this [BLEEP]

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https://twitter.com/PFF_Jaguars/status/1...97421?s=20


This stat can play both sides of the argument.
A top talent 1st rounder overcoming a bad line
or
Man, if we had a line - we wouldn't need a superstar back in order to hit 100 yds per game

Regardless, I'm glad we got a real one with that pick
Another Fournette-type result would have really sucked

He's trying to do his best Barry Sanders impression out there. Even if he had turned out like Fournette results wise? It's far, far more understandable and forgivable considering where he was selected in his respective draft class Vs. where Fournette was drafted in his class.

When you go back and look at the rest of that class and the selections we made. We got it right that year. 2021 is easily one of the better draft classes this team had seen since the 2016 haul of Ramsey, Jack and Ngakoue. 

I still think Lawrence, Etienne, Campbell, Little and Cisco will prove to be the better choices, for obvious reasons when stacked up with that class anyway. I would have to go back and look at the team football reference page, but, it's hard to find any class that I can recall of better than 2021's.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

I don't know what you consider a generational talent but ETN was absolutely an elite RB prospect.  Elite college production, elite athletism score, and high character.  On your draft strategy, our whole oline is high draft picks.  The lowest drafted player is Fortner and he was the 1st pick in the 3rd round and we are 31st.

Elite =\= generational 

I cited Barry [BLEEP] Sanders dude
Nobody thought Travis was Barry Sanders LOL

Don't mischaracterize our line
Cam is no longer a "pick" 
He was grossly overpaid in free agency 
Little was a gamble-injured-player selection 
Bartch was a 4th
Fortner was a wasted 3rd
Scherff is another overpaid FA currently almost earning it
And the one actual first round pick is having the most "welcome to the NFL" season I've ever seen

Get real, man 
"Our whole line is high draft picks"
LOL

Our line is two free agent signings that go between above average and "god help us" on a roller coaster when they aren't injured or [BLEEP] suspended
+
One good second round pick 
+ 
two absolute mid round busts 
+
One ACTUAL first round pick who is getting destroyed 

You can't be serious with this [BLEEP]

Agreed. Baalke built this team backwards. He targeted skill position players and neglected the offensive line severely. It's now beginning to show itself in the worst of ways. He's very fortunate that Lawrence is able to overcome most of it's faults but any other mere QB is chopped [BLEEP] liver back there. Period.

We wasted selections on Strange and Bigsby. They have shown nothing on the football field in five games that's noteworthy other than a few rookie moments with a turnover and penalties. Frustrating.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

It's not about single handedly, it's about largest impact, so why spend valuable draft capital on the one least likely to do it and for the shortest amount of time with the cheapest replacement cost? It's simply about value and running backs don't have it. It's the same reason why they're [BLEEP] about their contracts, because they are at the bottom of the value list in this League and now they're getting paid like it.

You said running backs don't make bad teams good, therefore they should not be selected where Etienne was, which was late in the first round.  And my question for you is, what other single player (other than getting lucky on a QB) would make a bad team good?  There aren't any.

And besides, the choice isn't do we pick a RB or do we pick another position.  The choice is, do we pick THIS player or do we pick THAT player.  If we go by your rule, we'd pass on Barry Sanders and take some other guy, just because he plays a different position that you consider more impactful.

Great example! Barry Sanders is perhaps the best running back, and maybe the best football player, to ever play the game. He was a one man weapon and did things on the field we'll probably never see again. He also won no championships and only one playoff game in his illustrious career, at a time when RBs were substantially more valuable than they are today. It took the Lions 3 seasons with Barry to make the playoffs the first time, they went 5 of those next 7 years, but only won one game and then he retired shortly thereafter. Also interesting is that unrestricted free agency became a thing in 1993 in the middle of his career and he got 2 contract extensions, something we just don't see anymore. Now, were the Lions better or worse off in the long run with Barry on their team? Probably better since they hadn't been to the playoffs in 8 seasons and didn't make the playoffs but one more time in the between his retirement 1998 and 2012, but do we have to take a top 5 all-time player from 35 years ago to make your case? That article I posted yesterday did a nice job presenting the much more common outcome of the RB going to a bad team not doing much, I think it more than offsets the historic career of Barry Sanders. We should also note that Sanders retired because of his frustration with Lions ownership and management not putting a good team around him or acquiescing to his request for a trade.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

This is the point I've made for months with which some folks here keep arguing. The article I posted yesterday goes back 10 years to look at how consistently true that fact is, even discussing that the year CMac was the best RB in the League the team only finished 5-11. In short, RBs don't make bad teams good, but they can make good teams great, hence bad teams shouldn't take them early in the draft.

The Panthers su ked and CMC had no help and they had no QB.  Joe Thomas is  HOF QB and his team sucked the whole time he was there.  So with that logic we should take an elite tackle early

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The 49ers were winning before him and they’ll win after him. 

That team is good because of Shannahan and Lynch.

And in hindsight, the Jags should have taken Mahomes lol

Naw, Mahomes would of been a average QB if the Jags took him.  No Reid and really no talent around him

Joe Thomas was an elite player at a premium position. For the entire 10 years he was in Cleveland they got All Pro play and did not have to spend an single additional draft pick on a left tackle. Since ETN was drafted he's missed a year and we've spent 4 draft picks on additional running backs. Not really all that great a comparison of value if you ask me.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

The Panthers su ked and CMC had no help and they had no QB.  Joe Thomas is  HOF QB and his team sucked the whole time he was there.  So with that logic we should take an elite tackle early

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Naw, Mahomes would of been a average QB if the Jags took him.  No Reid and really no talent around him

Joe Thomas was an elite player at a premium position. For the entire 10 years he was in Cleveland they got All Pro play and did not have to spend an single additional draft pick on a left tackle. Since ETN was drafted he's missed a year and we've spent 4 draft picks on additional running backs. Not really all that great a comparison of value if you ask me.

How many winning teams did Joe play on? Your great player on a bad team logic should be applied here, no? 

Also, is it ETN's fault that Baalke has spent that many picks on his position while neglecting other positions that could have.... Enhanced his production on the football field along the line?

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

Joe Thomas was an elite player at a premium position. For the entire 10 years he was in Cleveland they got All Pro play and did not have to spend an single additional draft pick on a left tackle. Since ETN was drafted he's missed a year and we've spent 4 draft picks on additional running backs. Not really all that great a comparison of value if you ask me.

How many winning teams did Joe play on? Your great player on a bad team logic should be applied here, no? 

Also, is it ETN's fault that Baalke has spent that many picks on his position while neglecting other positions that could have.... Enhanced his production on the football field along the line?

Yep, what did the Browns do with all those picks they saved by getting a cornerstone at the premium position? They clearly wasted them and that's why they suck. Doesn't change the fact that they got tremendous value for that pick. I'm not blaming ETN at all for any of this, he's a good player; he just plays a less valuable position.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Yeah, im just pointing out that its not the position taken thats the problem, its the player.  If La Porta was on this team and or any TE for that matter and was doing what LaPorta is doing it would of been a great pick.  We just have to take good players wherever and it will turn into wins.

Lol, Strange is a better player in year 1 than ETN was, maybe we should give him some time..

Haha!!!  Technically, that's the true.  There's no way I can argue with the fact that Strange's rookie season is already better than ETN's rookie season!  I concede to your wit.

But you get my point.  We didn't need to go TE at pick 60...  That's all I'm saying.  The ETN pick, I think worked out best.  Will the Strange pick work at as good?  I don't think so.  And I'm pretty sure you know it won't either.  Engram is money.  And we have him for another 3 years.  I think NYC4Jags made a point that we all got really high on how good our O-Line was because of our success at the end of 2022.  And it turned out to be fools gold.  Or...  Maybe we adjust and start making a similar run as last year but from a better position?  

Doug Pederson has a tendency of starting season's slow and then making huge pushes towards late November and December.  We could just be watching a team slowly building up to goals Pederson has been privately been organizing.  I don't trust Press Taylor.  But I do trust Doug Pederson.

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Basically a bad team taking a RB in the top 10 is a bad move.

Obviously with hindsight we should have taken McCaffery over Fournette but the Panthers only finished above 500 once in all the time he was there I believe however good he is.

He can obviously make a real difference on an elite team as he's proving now with the Niners

This is the point I've made for months with which some folks here keep arguing. The article I posted yesterday goes back 10 years to look at how consistently true that fact is, even discussing that the year CMac was the best RB in the League the team only finished 5-11. In short, RBs don't make bad teams good, but they can make good teams great, hence bad teams shouldn't take them early in the draft.

The moment we drafted Trevor Lawrence we went from being a "bad team" to being a good team.

It's a QB driven league, and we got the QB.  So, based on the fact that our next pick was at 25, and there really wasn't any top shelf linemen (offense or defense), why not take the best back still on the board? (Side note, I hate that I just used a Vic mantra.  But the ETN pick is the perfect example of it.  We had so many needs.  But there was a really great RB right there that out classed any other option for at least 10 spots...  You take the RB.  And guess what, it paid off).

I get it why people would have rather us taken a Lineman, but when you study that specific draft class, there wasn't a lineman available that would have given us a better chance to win games when compared to Elite-EN's ability to control games.  Dudes's a baller, man.  He was the right pick in 2021.  

In 2022, or 2020, or 2023, it would be a total bust.  But whoever was running the draft in 2021 figured it out just right.  That was a great draft class for the Jags.

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Loving some ETN. A lot of folks did not like the pick, I was not too warm on it either being how the RB situation has worked out in the NFL as of late. That being said, he's the best player on offense. Period. He's our MVP so far this season, man has done wonders even with a banged up/bad O line.

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I don't know what you consider a generational talent but ETN was absolutely an elite RB prospect.  Elite college production, elite athletism score, and high character.  On your draft strategy, our whole oline is high draft picks.  The lowest drafted player is Fortner and he was the 1st pick in the 3rd round and we are 31st.

Elite =\= generational 

I cited Barry [BLEEP] Sanders dude
Nobody thought Travis was Barry Sanders LOL

Don't mischaracterize our line
Cam is no longer a "pick" 
He was grossly overpaid in free agency 
Little was a gamble-injured-player selection 
Bartch was a 4th
Fortner was a wasted 3rd
Scherff is another overpaid FA currently almost earning it
And the one actual first round pick is having the most "welcome to the NFL" season I've ever seen

Get real, man 
"Our whole line is high draft picks"
LOL

Our line is two free agent signings that go between above average and "god help us" on a roller coaster when they aren't injured or [BLEEP] suspended
+
One good second round pick 
+ 
two absolute mid round busts 
+
One ACTUAL first round pick who is getting destroyed 

You can't be serious with this [BLEEP]

There is only one Barry Sanders, he's the GOAT.  That's the only RB you would take in the 1st, gotcha.  I'm talking about our starting oline,  yes they are all high draft picks.  Cam and Little were 2nd round picks, Scherff and Harrison were 1st round picks, and Fortner was the 1st pick in the 3rd round.  All high draft picks

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The Panthers su ked and CMC had no help and they had no QB.  Joe Thomas is  HOF QB and his team sucked the whole time he was there.  So with that logic we should take an elite tackle early

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Naw, Mahomes would of been a average QB if the Jags took him.  No Reid and really no talent around him

Joe Thomas was an elite player at a premium position. For the entire 10 years he was in Cleveland they got All Pro play and did not have to spend an single additional draft pick on a left tackle. Since ETN was drafted he's missed a year and we've spent 4 draft picks on additional running backs. Not really all that great a comparison of value if you ask me.

But what did he help the Browns win?

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Elite =\= generational 

I cited Barry [BLEEP] Sanders dude
Nobody thought Travis was Barry Sanders LOL

Don't mischaracterize our line
Cam is no longer a "pick" 
He was grossly overpaid in free agency 
Little was a gamble-injured-player selection 
Bartch was a 4th
Fortner was a wasted 3rd
Scherff is another overpaid FA currently almost earning it
And the one actual first round pick is having the most "welcome to the NFL" season I've ever seen

Get real, man 
"Our whole line is high draft picks"
LOL

Our line is two free agent signings that go between above average and "god help us" on a roller coaster when they aren't injured or [BLEEP] suspended
+
One good second round pick 
+ 
two absolute mid round busts 
+
One ACTUAL first round pick who is getting destroyed 

You can't be serious with this [BLEEP]

There is only one Barry Sanders, he's the GOAT.  That's the only RB you would take in the 1st, gotcha.  I'm talking about our starting oline,  yes they are all high draft picks.  Cam and Little were 2nd round picks, Scherff and Harrison were 1st round picks, and Fortner was the 1st pick in the 3rd round.  All high draft picks

Cam Robinson was a 2nd round pick in 2017. 
Brandon Scherff was a 1st round pick in 2015. 

It's been awhile. We obviously didn't like what we were getting out of Robinson at LT if we chose to invest a 2nd round pick just four years later in Walker Little. 

We did invest a 2nd round pick in JaWaan Taylor, who was in fact, replaced by a first round pick. I'll give you that. Your point has some merit. We're still not addressing the positions properly though. 

And I think that's the main point of the topic. Especially since 2021 when they had Lawrence gifted to them in that draft class. We had issues then, just like we had issues last year, just like we have issues now. 

We're not doing enough to get the situation under control. We didn't do enough in last year's draft class nor this year's draft class to potentially shore up the LG and RG issues.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

ETN isn't a Generational RB. That's obvious. I thought he's be Darren Sproles. He's not even that.

But in terms of RBs, the dude is legit. And we all understand that RBs are being made to be the Owner's whipping boys. But man, when you have a good RB, you have a lot of options. And ETN is more than just good. Dude is Elite. He's a top 5 RB with a bottom 10 O-Line. And he still produces.

I'm not saying that after his contract expires you give him the bag. But!!!! If the zeitgeist continues to be that RBs should be let go, we may be able to keep ETN till he's 28 or 29... And if you're gonna tell me we're gonna have ETN for another 5 years, I think we're gonna be in a good spot for a SB run.

I loved Robinson as much as anyone else. But he isn't the caliber of athlete, the caliber of genetic freak, that ETN is. ETN is genetically superior to most RBs in the NFL. (Mccafrey, Henry, Taylor, Jacobs) ETN is the next after those 4. I thought he was genetically like Darren Sproles. But I was wrong. He's genetically more like Ladanian Thomlinson. So if you could get a RB at the caliber of LT? You make that deal. And I have a feeling ETN would absolutely accept a contract where he get's paid up front and can eat on incentives for the next 4 years of a renewed contract. ETN had an injury his first year. But since then, he's been on the field. He's a tank.

You don't have to dump a RB like ETN. He's got a high caliber character. He clearly loves playing here. Give him a bag that is comparable to the top 5 RBs of the league with incentives that he likes, and we can keep him for a relatively little amount. I'd hate to let ETN go after his rookie contract expires. Pay the dude a conservative contract with a nice bonus and incentives that keeps him hungry. All that while playing with a team, QB, and HC he loves? He'd be great till 2029.

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There is only one Barry Sanders, he's the GOAT.  That's the only RB you would take in the 1st, gotcha.  I'm talking about our starting oline,  yes they are all high draft picks.  Cam and Little were 2nd round picks, Scherff and Harrison were 1st round picks, and Fortner was the 1st pick in the 3rd round.  All high draft picks

Cam Robinson was a 2nd round pick in 2017. 
Brandon Scherff was a 1st round pick in 2015. 

It's been awhile. We obviously didn't like what we were getting out of Robinson at LT if we chose to invest a 2nd round pick just four years later in Walker Little. 

We did invest a 2nd round pick in JaWaan Taylor, who was in fact, replaced by a first round pick. I'll give you that. Your point has some merit. We're still not addressing the positions properly though. 

And I think that's the main point of the topic. Especially since 2021 when they had Lawrence gifted to them in that draft class. We had issues then, just like we had issues last year, just like we have issues now. 

We're not doing enough to get the situation under control. We didn't do enough in last year's draft class nor this year's draft class to potentially shore up the LG and RG issues.

Taylor was another high draft pick. I agree, my point is you don't draft one just to draft one or you pass on better players..  Any position for that matter.  Let the draft come to you.  I think we would of been best off taking Joey Porter in the 1st last year as he was the top guy imo and he has been elite so far.  I'd have taken Torrence in the 2nd and Dawand Jones in the 3rd.  Is Harrison better than Dawand Jones?  If they took a really good TE in the 2nd it would of been a good pick.

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ETN isn't a Generational RB.  That's obvious.  I thought he's be Darren Sproles.  He's not even that.

But in terms of RBs, the dude is legit.  And we all understand that RBs are being made to be the Owner's whipping boys.  But man, when you have a good RB, you have a lot of options.  And ETN is more than just good.  Dude is Elite.  He's a top 5 RB with a bottom 10 O-Line.  And he still produces.

I'm not saying that after his contract expires you give him the bag.  But!!!!  If the zeitgeist continues to be that RBs should be let go, we may be able to keep ETN till he's 28 or 29...  And if you're gonna tell me we're gonna have ETN for another 5 years, I think we're gonna be in a good spot for a SB run. 

I loved Robinson as much as anyone else.  But he isn't the caliber of athlete, the caliber of genetic freak, that ETN is.  ETN is genetically superior to most RBs in the NFL.  (Mccafrey, Henry, Taylor, Jacobs)  ETN is the next after those 4.  I thought he was genetically like Darren Sproles. But I was wrong.  He's genetically more like Ladanian Thomlinson.  So if you could get a RB at the caliber of LT?  You make that deal.  And I have a feeling ETN would absolutely accept a contract where he get's paid up front and can eat on incentives for the next 4 years of a renewed contract.  ETN had an injury his first year.  But since then, he's been on the field.  He's a tank.

You don't have to dump a RB like ETN.  He's got a high caliber character.  He clearly loves playing here.  Give him a bag that is comparable to the top 5 RBs of the league with incentives that he likes, and we can keep him for a relatively little amount.  I'd hate to let ETN go after his rookie contract expires.  Pay the dude a conservative contract with a nice bonus and incentives that keeps him hungry.  All that while playing with a team, QB, and HC he loves?  He'd be great till 2029.

Sproles was 5'6" lol

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Cam Robinson was a 2nd round pick in 2017. 
Brandon Scherff was a 1st round pick in 2015. 

It's been awhile. We obviously didn't like what we were getting out of Robinson at LT if we chose to invest a 2nd round pick just four years later in Walker Little. 

We did invest a 2nd round pick in JaWaan Taylor, who was in fact, replaced by a first round pick. I'll give you that. Your point has some merit. We're still not addressing the positions properly though. 

And I think that's the main point of the topic. Especially since 2021 when they had Lawrence gifted to them in that draft class. We had issues then, just like we had issues last year, just like we have issues now. 

We're not doing enough to get the situation under control. We didn't do enough in last year's draft class nor this year's draft class to potentially shore up the LG and RG issues.

Taylor was another high draft pick.  I agree, my point is you don't draft one just to draft one or you pass on better players..  Any position for that matter.  Let the draft come to you.  I think we would of been best off taking Joey Porter in the 1st last year as he was the top guy imo and he has been elite so far.  I'd have taken Torrence in the 2nd and Dawand Jones in the 3rd.  Is Harrison better than Dawand Jones?  If they took a really good TE in the 2nd it would of been a good pick.

I agree. You take a football player when you see a good, quality football player. It has to make sense on paper and with what you have pending on your roster going into that year and next year, etc. 

They could have done maybe more work in free agency as well or tried turning the waiver wire or trade mill. I still think it's pretty wild we had 13 selections back in April and only addressed this group twice.

On the opening night of the draft and then it was static until the final day of the draft. Very, very risky and we're seeing the effects of it now. Maybe we should have signed Risner.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

Taylor was another high draft pick.  I agree, my point is you don't draft one just to draft one or you pass on better players..  Any position for that matter.  Let the draft come to you.  I think we would of been best off taking Joey Porter in the 1st last year as he was the top guy imo and he has been elite so far.  I'd have taken Torrence in the 2nd and Dawand Jones in the 3rd.  Is Harrison better than Dawand Jones?  If they took a really good TE in the 2nd it would of been a good pick.

I agree. You take a football player when you see a good, quality football player. It has to make sense on paper and with what you have pending on your roster going into that year and next year, etc. 

They could have done maybe more work in free agency as well or tried turning the waiver wire or trade mill. I still think it's pretty wild we had 13 selections back in April and only addressed this group twice.

On the opening night of the draft and then it was static until the final day of the draft. Very, very risky and we're seeing the effects of it now. Maybe we should have signed Risner.

I just think their draft board was horrible seeing some of the picks they made and who was available.  I mean they had Walker higher on their board than Hutch and Hutch is leading the league in pressures right now and and he also has 4 INTs and the other 4 players taken in the top 5 last year all have 4 INTs combined and 2 of them are corners lol.  Everyone laughed at us last year when we did that and rightfully so.   We pass on a lot of great players that a lot of us want every year and they always cut up, it's crazy

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Some jackwagon that likes the Florida Gators laughed at me for comparing Sproles to ETN by saying that Sproles was 4 inches shorter...

Elite-EN's 40 was 4.40
Sprole's 40 was 4.49

They were comparable out of college, if you actually watched ETN play at Clemson. But, you know. Dudes that simp on the Gators generally have no real understanding about football. LOL

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