Stick to your board!

If RB is the highest rated player when the Jags pick in round 1, you have to take the RB!

At this point, if that happened, with Etienne and Bigsby already on the team, I'd try to trade down.  

My philosophy would not be strict best available player and it wouldn't be strict positional value.  I would use a combination.  The value of the player is a combination of talent level and positional value.  So if I had a RB that I rated slightly better than another player who was a DE, I might take the DE.  I liked the Etienne pick because even though he played a less valuable position, his talent level was sky-high.

This, if you have a RB in the 1st that is at the top of your board he must be elite.  You trade back and pick up extra picks. That's also not just with RBs. It's any position where the player won't see the field.

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At this point, if that happened, with Etienne and Bigsby already on the team, I'd try to trade down.  

My philosophy would not be strict best available player and it wouldn't be strict positional value.  I would use a combination.  The value of the player is a combination of talent level and positional value.  So if I had a RB that I rated slightly better than another player who was a DE, I might take the DE.  I liked the Etienne pick because even though he played a less valuable position, his talent level was sky-high.

This, if you have a RB in the 1st that is at the top of your board he must be elite.  You trade back and pick up extra picks.  That's also not just with RBs.  It's any position where the player won't see the field.

Then why the hell did they draft Ventrel Miller??

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This, if you have a RB in the 1st that is at the top of your board he must be elite.  You trade back and pick up extra picks.  That's also not just with RBs.  It's any position where the player won't see the field.

Then why the hell did they draft Ventrel Miller??

Because out of all the remaining players, that was the guy they wanted the most.

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Then why the hell did they draft Ventrel Miller??

Because out of all the remaining players, that was the guy they wanted the most.

I forget the exact number or where I read it from, but, Baalke was on record publicly stating that they had something to the tune of 127 or 130 players I think that they considered worth drafting or had a draftable grade on them. 

Which I felt was pretty reasonable but also maybe a little concerning. Especially with thirteen picks overall in that draft class back in April in particular. 

That's with 259 total picks to be made in the draft in total. Just felt like an interesting board overall. Especially with picks 61, 88 and 121 being used at TE, RB & ILB. I can somewhat understand the selection of Strange, as Engram wasn't officially extended contract wise until July.

However, even then? You had him for at least another year on the tag, and, we were pretty deep at RB considering Etienne's strong showing in his debut, Hasty being extended and having some decent success in our offense and with Johnson also signed up during free agency.

The selection of Miller was and still is a big head scratcher. Especially with Oluokon, Lloyd and Muma three deep at that position in a 3 - 4 scheme. Just seemed overkill.

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Then why the hell did they draft Ventrel Miller??

Because out of all the remaining players, that was the guy they wanted the most.

That doesn't jive with what the person whom I was asking just posted.
At all.

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At the current pace it's likely that Bigsby will be the #1 back in 2025. Getting the Tight End was fine, we had nothing behind Engram going in and Strange is going to be pretty good I think.

Say What?   At the current pace??   At the current pace Brigsby has 23 carries for 54 yards (2.3 YPC) and 2 lost fumbles.   At the current pace, this dude has a better chance at playing for the Sharks in 2025 than he does with the Jags.

ETN's pace.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

This, if you have a RB in the 1st that is at the top of your board he must be elite.  You trade back and pick up extra picks.  That's also not just with RBs.  It's any position where the player won't see the field.

Then why the hell did they draft Ventrel Miller??

That was the 4th round and he was their highest rated player.  He had a very good chance to see the field early when Lloyd was out but the injury.  4th round most likely will be a pick to improve your depth unless you have a bad team or you just outsmart or out scout the 31 other GMs

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Everybody needs to take a bit of a chill pill on bigsby. His second fumble wasnt even that bad and was somewhat questionable. He was actually trying to protect the ball.

Dude is a rook give him some breathing space for now.

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Then why the hell did they draft Ventrel Miller??

That was the 4th round and he was their highest rated player.  He had a very good chance to see the field early when Lloyd was out but the injury.  4th round most likely will be a pick to improve your depth unless you have a bad team or you just outsmart or out scout the 31 other GMs

He was NEVER gonna see the field outside of ST
C'mon - we had Muma who had already replaced Lloyd and Miller wasn't going to leapfrog him

It was a horrible pick

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That was the 4th round and he was their highest rated player.  He had a very good chance to see the field early when Lloyd was out but the injury.  4th round most likely will be a pick to improve your depth unless you have a bad team or you just outsmart or out scout the 31 other GMs

He was NEVER gonna see the field outside of ST
C'mon - we had Muma who had already replaced Lloyd and Miller wasn't going to leapfrog him

It was a horrible pick

Like most of the back end of this draft Miller was brought in to replace the expensive depth on the chart. He was here to replace Shaq Quarterman, not to be a starter. This pick and the others after Bigsby (Lacy, Hallett, Tugboat, etc.) were about getting the Quartermans, Daniel Thomas, and Chris Claybrooks off the roster; ie expensive vets who play backup roles but won't ever be starters unless injury demands it.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

He was NEVER gonna see the field outside of ST
C'mon - we had Muma who had already replaced Lloyd and Miller wasn't going to leapfrog him

It was a horrible pick

Like most of the back end of this draft Miller was brought in to replace the expensive depth on the chart. He was here to replace Shaq Quarterman, not to be a starter. This pick and the others after Bigsby (Lacy, Hallett, Tugboat, etc.) were about getting the Quartermans, Daniel Thomas, and Chris Claybrooks off the roster; ie expensive vets who play backup roles but won't ever be starters unless injury demands it.

I get it - but none of those guys were expensive vets. All on 3rd or 4th year of tiny rookie deals. 

Personally I think they were smug with the pick because they still thought they were gonna get back into the 4th or 5th with a package of late rounders and that never happened. 

It's not a major fail, but it's a fail.

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Like most of the back end of this draft Miller was brought in to replace the expensive depth on the chart. He was here to replace Shaq Quarterman, not to be a starter. This pick and the others after Bigsby (Lacy, Hallett, Tugboat, etc.) were about getting the Quartermans, Daniel Thomas, and Chris Claybrooks off the roster; ie expensive vets who play backup roles but won't ever be starters unless injury demands it.

I get it - bunt none of those guys were expensive vets. All on 3rd or 4th year of tiny rookie deals. 

Personally I think they were smug with the pick because they still thought they were gonna get back into the 4th or 5th with a package of late rounders and that never happened. 

It's not a major fail, but it's a fail.

I saw this draft as setting up the bottom 3rd to be a cheap as possible for the big deals they have to make next year. Pile on Baalke's less than stellar repuation for draft selection and you end up with picks like Miller. But he's here now and I want him to do well, it's just unlikely because he's a gata defender and those guys just don't make very good pros. And if you can save 5 million on a couple guys who can be replaced by even cheaper rookie deals then you do it.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

I get it - bunt none of those guys were expensive vets. All on 3rd or 4th year of tiny rookie deals. 

Personally I think they were smug with the pick because they still thought they were gonna get back into the 4th or 5th with a package of late rounders and that never happened. 

It's not a major fail, but it's a fail.

I saw this draft as setting up the bottom 3rd to be a cheap as possible for the big deals they have to make next year. Pile on Baalke's less than stellar repuation for draft selection and you end up with picks like Miller. But he's here now and I want him to do well, it's just unlikely because he's a gata defender and those guys just don't make very good pros. And if you can save 5 million on a couple guys who can be replaced by even cheaper rookie deals then you do it.

Al the guys you listed add up to 3.3 million. Literally nothing in this cap. 

Moving from Shaq Quarterman to Ventral Miller (if it actually happened) would have saved them a whopping 400K

Now they get to pay them both plus Millers rehab bill. 

Like I said - it was a minor fail, but a fail nonetheless.

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That was the 4th round and he was their highest rated player.  He had a very good chance to see the field early when Lloyd was out but the injury.  4th round most likely will be a pick to improve your depth unless you have a bad team or you just outsmart or out scout the 31 other GMs

He was NEVER gonna see the field outside of ST
C'mon - we had Muma who had already replaced Lloyd and Miller wasn't going to leapfrog him

It was a horrible pick

He would of absolutely played when Lloyd was out.  He might not of started but Muma wasn't very good in either game he started and they would of played both.  Miller missed most of training camp and he still looked better than Muma in his short amout of preseason he played in.  It's easy to say it's a horrible pick now with him missing his whole rookie season yet you said Etienne was a horrible pick as well when he missed his whole rookie season

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He was NEVER gonna see the field outside of ST
C'mon - we had Muma who had already replaced Lloyd and Miller wasn't going to leapfrog him

It was a horrible pick

He would of absolutely played when Lloyd was out.  He might not of started but Muma wasn't very good in either game he started and they would of played both.  Miller missed most of training camp and he still looked better than Muma in his short amout of preseason he played in.  It's easy to say it's a horrible pick now with him missing his whole rookie season yet you said Etienne was a horrible pick as well when he missed his whole rookie season

LOL

You are delusional about Miller. He'd never have supplanted Muma and he never had a chance to look better than anyone. 

Don't make me explain the draft philosophy behind my opinion on ETN for the nine-thousandth time.
I liked that player at least, and saw he'd have a chance to make an impact. Not so with with Miller. 

This 4th rounder blown on a LB when stacked at LB was just pissing away marginal capital.

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I saw this draft as setting up the bottom 3rd to be a cheap as possible for the big deals they have to make next year. Pile on Baalke's less than stellar repuation for draft selection and you end up with picks like Miller. But he's here now and I want him to do well, it's just unlikely because he's a gata defender and those guys just don't make very good pros. And if you can save 5 million on a couple guys who can be replaced by even cheaper rookie deals then you do it.

Al the guys you listed add up to 3.3 million. Literally nothing in this cap. 

Moving from Shaq Quarterman to Ventral Miller (if it actually happened) would have saved them a whopping 400K

Now they get to pay them both plus Millers rehab bill. 

Like I said - it was a minor fail, but a fail nonetheless.

I didn't want Miller, I'm just in Baalke's head reading his intent based on what we already know of him.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

He would of absolutely played when Lloyd was out.  He might not of started but Muma wasn't very good in either game he started and they would of played both.  Miller missed most of training camp and he still looked better than Muma in his short amout of preseason he played in.  It's easy to say it's a horrible pick now with him missing his whole rookie season yet you said Etienne was a horrible pick as well when he missed his whole rookie season

LOL

You are delusional about Miller. He'd never have supplanted Muma and he never had a chance to look better than anyone. 

Don't make me explain the draft philosophy behind my opinion on ETN for the nine-thousandth time.
I liked that player at least, and saw he'd have a chance to make an impact. Not so with with Miller. 

This 4th rounder blown on a LB when stacked at LB was just pissing away marginal capital.

Your draft philosophy is flawed and it sucks lol. If the players are good or great players it will be a good or great pick.  Etienne is looking like a great pick and Miller could turn out to be a great pick if he can come back healthy.  He may never be the same again and it could turn into a horrible pick but if he can come back 100% it could end up being a very good pick.  I'll wait to see how he comes back.  You didn't piss away antlything and made a very good pick depending on how good the player is.  You are to hung on this, we have to draft this position or that position, we could of taken each position you wanted and it means nothing when the player sucks.  You take the best players not draft positions. The 49ers think your draft philosophy is comical with the likes of Warner, Greenlaw, Bowman a few years back, and most teams as well

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Al the guys you listed add up to 3.3 million. Literally nothing in this cap. 

Moving from Shaq Quarterman to Ventral Miller (if it actually happened) would have saved them a whopping 400K

Now they get to pay them both plus Millers rehab bill. 

Like I said - it was a minor fail, but a fail nonetheless.

I didn't want Miller, I'm just in Baalke's head reading his intent based on what we already know of him.

I hear you.
Your theory on his intent makes sense - even if it wouldn't actually have saved a ton of money - refreshing the depth is a real component of roster development. 

It's just very  strange to me to want to replace your 4th ILB with a 4th rounder given the other issues on the roster that could have been aided there. Maybe the ST coach was really in Baalke's ear about needing help.

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It's an uphill climb after the injury but if Miller ends up being a verybgood player it was a great pick

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LOL

You are delusional about Miller. He'd never have supplanted Muma and he never had a chance to look better than anyone. 

Don't make me explain the draft philosophy behind my opinion on ETN for the nine-thousandth time.
I liked that player at least, and saw he'd have a chance to make an impact. Not so with with Miller. 

This 4th rounder blown on a LB when stacked at LB was just pissing away marginal capital.

Your draft philosophy is flawed and it sucks lol. If the players are good or great players it will be a good or great pick.  Etienne is looking like a great pick and Miller could turn out to be a great pick if he can come back healthy.  He may never be the same again and it could turn into a horrible pick but if he can come back 100% it could end up being a very good pick.  I'll wait to see how he comes back.  You didn't piss away antlything and made a very good pick depending on how good the player is.  You are to hung on this, we have to draft this position or that position, we could of taken each position you wanted and it means nothing when the player sucks.  You take the best players not draft positions. The 49ers think your draft philosophy is comical with the likes of Warner, Greenlaw, Bowman a few years back, and most teams as well

herp derp

I didn't say [BLEEP] about drafting a position. 

I'm talking about drafting a player that has a chance to actually help the team right now or soon. 
Not a guy destined to ride pine and maybe carve out a ST role. 

Don't conflate this with RB philosophy. Two radically different issues.

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