This is a huge issue and don't say it will be fixed by expanding the playoffs. Next year there will just be more SEC and Big Ten teams in and anyone else left out. Then for seeding, you will have the ACC champ around 10,

This whole thing was spearheaded by ESPN and SEC. ESPN started the narrative before Travis was even hurt. They had to make sure a SEC team would be there in the if UGA lost. ESPN has to have a SEC team there or their contract is too costly. The entire ACC championship game was just by ESPN to push the narrative that FSU wasn't good enough. They barely talked about the actual game they were supposed to be calling.

If FSU was viewed so badly now by the committee, why are they ahead of UGA? So FSU would beat UGA but not any of the teams above them? The committee just didn't want to show where they really would rank FSU.

FSU has to leave the ACC as the conference is no longer a power 5 as shown by the committee. It's SEC or Big Ten moving forward, everyone else will get with 4 or less spots in the expanded playoffs

FSU had the chance to join the SEC first. They instead used that invite to get the ACC to invite them.  So they had their chance there, not sure they have that option anymore.  Bobby B had a theory where he wanted to play only 3 hard games a year then the Natty.  That is why they went to the ACC.  So it seems  the conference is "working as Intended"

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A new broom always sweeps clean.

13-0 Auburn should've been on the death penalty but were only on probation at the time.

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Incorrect. I believe the below is what you are referring to.  In 2004 Auburn was not on probation or was there any NCAA inquiries into anything. 

If you do not believe me the NCAA database is easy for you to search ...

The violations: Auburn booster Corky Frost was found to have given more than $4,000 in cash and merchandise — including steaks and tires for a car — to Tigers defensive back Eric Ramsey. Ramsey made several secret recordings of conversations with Frost and Auburn assistant coach Larry Blakeney, who also provided cash to Ramsey from another booster. Head football coach Pat Dye, then also the school's athletic director, was never directly implicated, but charged with lack of institutional control.

The sanctions: Dye resigned after the 1992 season, months before the sanctions were announced. Auburn got two years of probation, lost 33 scholarships over a three-year period, was hit with a two-year postseason ban and a one-year television ban. Frost and Blakeney were permanently disassociated from the program.

The aftermath: Ramsey and wife Twilitta were booed heavily at their graduation from Auburn in December 1992. Auburn went 11-0 under first-year head coach Terry Bowden in 1993, but was ineligible for the SEC championship due to the NCAA sanctions. The Tigers — who won or shared in four SEC titles under Dye in the 1980s — wouldn't win the conference again until 2004. Dye never coached again, but remains an active presence around the Auburn athletic department. Blakeney left in 1991 to become head coach at Troy, where he stayed more than 25 years and won 178 games.

Later it was found an Alabame alumni had been paying Ramsey to get recordings. I believe he was disbarred eventually.

No, they were on SACS suspension for financial violations in the athletics department and should've lost their accrediation which would've made them ineligible. There was no way the NCAA was going to put them in the title game, all the BCS stuff was just interference to cover for the real reason.

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The Seminoles got totally shafted. They did everything possible to deserve a shot at the title. While I'm not generally a conspiracy theorist, one has to wonder what factors were considered in this decision? The ratings for Alabama vs. Michigan will be off the charts bringing more money to ESPN. We'll never know if any pressure was placed on the committee, but FSU simply doesn't have a national appeal like Alabama and Saban. If I were an FSU player likely to get drafted, there's no way I'd play in the bowl game. If it didn't cost the ACC a ton of money, the whole team couldn't be blamed for boycotting the game.

I believe Alabama would win a head to head match-up vs. FSU at this point due to Jordan Travis' injury, but that should have zero to do with their selection. The people who have criticized the NCAA in the past have been validated totally.

eh, I get the decision. The NCAA made their bed when they took the checks from the broadcast networks. It's what birthed the title game, playoff and soon expansion; The networks paid big bucks for the games and they're going to have a voice in who gets in or doesn't.

FSU might be able to rely on D to compete. They might also lose by 4 scores. I don't think anyone wants a top-dollar game being a washout that everyone turns off at halftime.

But hey, if that D can stifle Jawja, folks'll tune in. If they lose by 3 scores, the NCAA and broadcasters will feel fully justified in their decision/stance.

Just think - as the playoffs expand, we won't have to air this grievance - all the champs get in, even if limping along.

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Incorrect. I believe the below is what you are referring to.  In 2004 Auburn was not on probation or was there any NCAA inquiries into anything. 

If you do not believe me the NCAA database is easy for you to search ...

The violations: Auburn booster Corky Frost was found to have given more than $4,000 in cash and merchandise — including steaks and tires for a car — to Tigers defensive back Eric Ramsey. Ramsey made several secret recordings of conversations with Frost and Auburn assistant coach Larry Blakeney, who also provided cash to Ramsey from another booster. Head football coach Pat Dye, then also the school's athletic director, was never directly implicated, but charged with lack of institutional control.

The sanctions: Dye resigned after the 1992 season, months before the sanctions were announced. Auburn got two years of probation, lost 33 scholarships over a three-year period, was hit with a two-year postseason ban and a one-year television ban. Frost and Blakeney were permanently disassociated from the program.

The aftermath: Ramsey and wife Twilitta were booed heavily at their graduation from Auburn in December 1992. Auburn went 11-0 under first-year head coach Terry Bowden in 1993, but was ineligible for the SEC championship due to the NCAA sanctions. The Tigers — who won or shared in four SEC titles under Dye in the 1980s — wouldn't win the conference again until 2004. Dye never coached again, but remains an active presence around the Auburn athletic department. Blakeney left in 1991 to become head coach at Troy, where he stayed more than 25 years and won 178 games.

Later it was found an Alabame alumni had been paying Ramsey to get recordings. I believe he was disbarred eventually.

No, they were on SACS suspension for financial violations in the athletics department and should've lost their accrediation which would've made them ineligible. There was no way the NCAA was going to put them in the title game, all the BCS stuff was just interference to cover for the real reason.

https://www.hbcusports.com/forums/thread...ion.24222/

I hear you I was involved. That in no way a reason to not let the guys play, the football team was eligible.  We all decided leaving in the dead of night by a few guys to interview Petrino for a job that wasn't open was going to far. WE pushed this.  I know as I lived it.  The 2004 Auburn team was eligible for both post season and tv play.

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College football is so dumb.

Its all subjective and when deciding a champion, it should never be subjective.

I just like the way things were before the BCS. I like the subjectivity. I like having debates over whether voters got it right when the top two or three teams all played in separate bowl games and not head to head. I liked when we didn't have CFP ranking shows throughout the season filling the space between ads on the sporps channel. I liked when teams could end a game in a tie, and that muddled up the standings for folks who couldn't consider more than two numbers when they looked at the sports page.

Now, everything (once the selection committee is done) is cut and dried. Sure, you might be able to debate a call or two along the way in each game, but taking all the variance away means you got nothing to argue once the games are done. We made what was good clinical and unappealing while trying to elevate it to perfection. Sometimes the gray area is the appeal.

Before the BCS, FSU/UGA in the Orange might still have title implications. Ope!

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College football is so dumb.

Its all subjective and when deciding a champion, it should never be subjective.

Yeah. The way the NFL does it is better. Or ncaam basketball. Prove it by playing. That why next year’s CFB will be more legitimate.

That’s why the argument that someone won their conference isn’t the be all and end all to me. What’s the strength of your conference?  Are you better or as good as you were earlier in the season?  It will be better when we have more objective benchmarks.


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And next year, the playoffs expand,  and some G5 champ gets left out or some team loses in the CCG or some team loses a mid-season game when their star QB hurts their ankle and before you know it we either split into 4 distinct leagues, or just have to accept that the system will never be perfect, fair, or above critique.

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No, they were on SACS suspension for financial violations in the athletics department and should've lost their accrediation which would've made them ineligible. There was no way the NCAA was going to put them in the title game, all the BCS stuff was just interference to cover for the real reason.

https://www.hbcusports.com/forums/thread...ion.24222/

I hear you I was involved. That in no way a reason to not let the guys play, the football team was eligible.  We all decided leaving in the dead of night by a few guys to interview Petrino for a job that wasn't open was going to far. WE pushed this.  I know as I lived it.  The 2004 Auburn team was eligible for both post season and tv play.

Was but should not have been* in my opinion, and it's baffling to think that the BCS output was anything but related.

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Next year's format is better but absolutely nullifies conference championship games.  The cleanest way in my mind would be to have 4 regional super conferences and have those 4 conference championship games be de facto playoff games to the 4 team playoff we currently have.  Either join a regional super conference or piss off.

The criticism there though is that if it's a playoff, there should be seeding involved. Conside UGA and UM were #1 and #2 going into CCG weekend, and one team got essentially a bye while the other didn't survive a much more capable opponent.

....or do we have a CCG playoff to determine who makes the BCS playoff? Maybe we should have divisional playoffs to determine who makes each regional super conference's bracket?

it never ends. At some point, you either have to live with the subjective flaws in the system or abandon the system. Unless everyone gets in every year, there will always be someone that gets snubbed.

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College football is so dumb.

Its all subjective and when deciding a champion, it should never be subjective.

I just like the way things were before the BCS. I like the subjectivity. I like having debates over whether voters got it right when the top two or three teams all played in separate bowl games and not head to head. I liked when we didn't have CFP ranking shows throughout the season filling the space between ads on the sporps channel. I liked when teams could end a game in a tie, and that muddled up the standings for folks who couldn't consider more than two numbers when they looked at the sports page.

Now, everything (once the selection committee is done) is cut and dried. Sure, you might be able to debate a call or two along the way in each game, but taking all the variance away means you got nothing to argue once the games are done. We made what was good clinical and unappealing while trying to elevate it to perfection. Sometimes the gray area is the appeal.

Before the BCS, FSU/UGA in the Orange might still have title implications. Ope!

Speaking of before the BCS, was this karma for FSU for what happened in 1993 when FSU lost to Notre Dame in "The Game of the Century", and then in the final poll, both teams had 1 loss, but FSU finished 1 and ND 2? The media wasn't a big deal back then, but could you imagine the outrage from the Irish and the media if that happened today? That woulda been like putting Bama ahead of Texas if it came down to those 2 for the final spot, which it would have if Travis stayed healthy.

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Love this lolol

https://twitter.com/SeminoleKJ/status/17...CZ8zA&s=19

Yea,  stick it to the man and rest of the ACC.  The bowl and networks would just sue the ACC for damages and win.  It would make any bowl thinking of paying an FSU team to come play in their bowl say no in the future.  I can also hear the Georgia fans saying how afraid FSU was of playing against them.  Smoooooth move Leroy....

This or a similar version is the option fans want to happen. UGA won't be playing the draft eligible players and most likely the same for FSU. A win will mean nothing but a loss will just have them pointing and saying see we told you. It is a lose lose situation for FSU.

The best option is to show up, let the players enjoy the trip and free stuff. Then walk on the field and take delay of game after delay of game penalties. The clock doesn't run but yet ESPN has to show the game no matter how long it takes. You can even mix in some too many players on the field, false starts, etc. Line the whole team up on the field for 1 of them, etc. Line up like the band and spell out ESPN sucks.

FSU had the chance to join the SEC first. They instead used that invite to get the ACC to invite them.  So they had their chance there, not sure they have that option anymore.  Bobby B had a theory where he wanted to play only 3 hard games a year then the Natty.  That is why they went to the ACC.  So it seems  the conference is "working as Intended"

UF blocked FSU from being able to join the SEC. There was never an option. There may be an option soon but FSU shouldn't join them and should be looking at the Big Ten. ESPN is dying and may take the SEC down with it. Plus the SEC and ESPN already hate FSU, so why would they go from the ACC (who already hates them) to the SEC who would just do the same thing?

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UCF had a better case for being in the top 4 than FSU does. Their Colley Matrix strength of schedule was much higher.
From a pure sports standpoint, both should have been in. That's what real sports fans want. But we are the minority. The majority is casual fans who will turn it off if it's a blowout. It's not that the network guys are sure a UCF or a Cinci or a TCU or an FSU will get blown out. But there is a risk that they will, and that risk is unacceptable to the female genitals running things, given the amount of money that those genitals are paying up front.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

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Sorry to say for our Noles fans here. But that’s just dumb. You don’t waste 1 million taxpayer dollars for the sake of a game. Piss and moan about it on social media and in the cafés all you want to. But we all know that the selection criteria as they currently stand are far to subjective. It sucks for you guys, but it’s just the way it is right now.

As a Dawgs fan, I believe we should be in the playoffs too. But we lost our most important game of the year primarily because we made two really bad plays, not taking anything away from Alabama‘s excellent game. If we were currently playing under next year‘s playoff rules, both of us would be in And could see where we actually land.

Let’s have Georgia and FSU make the orange bowl Look like the national championship game. That’s our best revenge right now.

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Fix the O-Line!

https://twitter.com/Noles247/status/1732...ykx_A&s=19

Sorry to say for our Noles fans here. But that’s just dumb. You don’t waste 1 million taxpayer dollars for the sake of a game. Piss and moan about it on social media and in the cafés all you want to. But we all know that the selection criteria as they currently stand are far to subjective. It sucks for you guys, but it’s just the way it is right now.

As a Dawgs fan, I believe we should be in the playoffs too. But we lost our most important game of the year primarily because we made two really bad plays, not taking anything away from Alabama‘s excellent game. If we were currently playing under next year‘s playoff rules, both of us would be in And could see where we actually land.

Let’s have Georgia and FSU make the orange bowl Look like the national championship game. That’s our best revenge right now.

I say [BLEEP] em, they wanna screw us, go try and screw them back. If the State of Florida is going to allot them a million dollars to sue, see ya in court, [BLEEP]!! Haha

And personally, the time to get High and Mighty about our tax dollars was a few years ago before we got fleeced as American Citizens, but we're in the wrong section for that..

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Sorry to say for our Noles fans here. But that’s just dumb. You don’t waste 1 million taxpayer dollars for the sake of a game. Piss and moan about it on social media and in the cafés all you want to. But we all know that the selection criteria as they currently stand are far to subjective. It sucks for you guys, but it’s just the way it is right now.

As a Dawgs fan, I believe we should be in the playoffs too. But we lost our most important game of the year primarily because we made two really bad plays, not taking anything away from Alabama‘s excellent game. If we were currently playing under next year‘s playoff rules, both of us would be in And could see where we actually land.

Let’s have Georgia and FSU make the orange bowl Look like the national championship game. That’s our best revenge right now.

I say [BLEEP] em, they wanna screw us, go try and screw them back. If the State of Florida is going to allot them a million dollars to sue, see ya in court, [BLEEP]!! Haha

And personally, the time to get High and Mighty about our tax dollars was a few years ago before we got fleeced as American Citizens, but we're in the wrong section for that..

Great jerb, nothing changes except a few lawyas getting a payday at the state's expense. SMRT.

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I say [BLEEP] em, they wanna screw us, go try and screw them back. If the State of Florida is going to allot them a million dollars to sue, see ya in court, [BLEEP]!! Haha

And personally, the time to get High and Mighty about our tax dollars was a few years ago before we got fleeced as American Citizens, but we're in the wrong section for that..

Great jerb, nothing changes except a few lawyas getting a payday at the state's expense. SMRT.

Oh no!!! Someone may make some money from a lawsuit!!

Stand on that stool and raise your skirts, girlz!

Won't someone PLEASE think of the childrenz!?!

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This is stupid. Should Notre Dame sue for finishing #2 to FSU in 1993 after ND had beaten them head-to-head and they both had 1 loss? What about an undefeated Auburn team for getting left out of the 2004 BCS for an overrated Big 12 team that got the [BLEEP] kicked out of them in the championship? UCF...TCU and Baylor in 2014. Utah in 2004? This happens all the time. Teams get screwed. Suing isn't the solution. The solution is what starts next year...a 12-team playoff. Of course, now the #13 team will want to sue.

I feel bad for FSU (although as a Notre Dame fan who got screwed in 1993, I think it's karma). But Alabama deserved to be in. The issue, IMO, was they put too much stock into head-to-head with Bama and Texas, and because Bama got in, the committee felt they had to put Texas in. I also think Washington shouldn't get a free pass here. Yeah, they're undefeated, but outside of beating Oregon, their schedule is crap, and they beat some really [BLEEP] teams by a hair.

So, in my opinion, Michigan and Alabama were the only two assurances. The debate should have been more about FSU, Texas, or Washington, and I do think there's a case for FSU being of 1 of the 3.

That said, if Georgia beat Alabama, I would risk my entire mortgage that the final 4 would have been 1) Georgia 2) Michigan 3) Washington 4) FSU. The only reason Texas in in right now is because they committee felt they had to put them in with the head-to-head w/Bama. Texas beat a really bad Okla State in the Big 12 title, and they move up 4 spots? That makes no sense.

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https://twitter.com/Noles247/status/1732...ykx_A&s=19

This is stupid. Should Notre Dame sue for finishing #2 to FSU in 1993 after ND had beaten them head-to-head and they both had 1 loss? What about an undefeated Auburn team for getting left out of the 2004 BCS for an overrated Big 12 team that got the [BLEEP] kicked out of them in the championship? UCF...TCU and Baylor in 2014. Utah in 2004? This happens all the time. Teams get screwed. Suing isn't the solution. The solution is what starts next year...a 12-team playoff. Of course, now the #13 team will want to sue.

I feel bad for FSU (although as a Notre Dame fan who got screwed in 1993, I think it's karma). But Alabama deserved to be in. The issue, IMO, was they put too much stock into head-to-head with Bama and Texas, and because Bama got in, the committee felt they had to put Texas in. I also think Washington shouldn't get a free pass here. Yeah, they're undefeated, but outside of beating Oregon, their schedule is crap, and they beat some really [BLEEP] teams by a hair.

So, in my opinion, Michigan and Alabama were the only two assurances. The debate should have been more about FSU, Texas, or Washington, and I do think there's a case for FSU being of 1 of the 3.

That said, if Georgia beat Alabama, I would risk my entire mortgage that the final 4 would have been 1) Georgia 2) Michigan 3) Washington 4) FSU. The only reason Texas in in right now is because they committee felt they had to put them in with the head-to-head w/Bama. Texas beat a really bad Okla State in the Big 12 title, and they move up 4 spots? That makes no sense.

Everything you said is accurate.  
I'm a UCF fan.  If you're comparing two unbeaten teams, and you don't want to apply bias or history, all you can look at is how many wins each team they beat has.  If UCF goes unbeaten and they had two ten-win teams on their schedule, and two two-win teams on their schedule, are they better than an unbeaten team that had four six win teams on their schedule? The Colley Matrix says yes.  And that's great for UCF's 2017 team.  But if a conference has one excellent team and ten really good, equally good teams, you're likely to get a situation where the excellent team goes unbeaten and the really good, equally good teams all knock each other down to 6-6 records. The Colley Matrix would punish that unbeaten team. The Colley Matrix kind of assumes that a conference has talent gaps between each team, and thats not reality.  But it's still the only unbiased tool anyone has ever come up with.

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My whole problem with it is they are ignoring the entire season.  They’re basically predicting they’re going to play in the playoffs.  That’s not what you’re supposed to do.  If that’s the case, why have the regular season matter at all.  And I have no dog in this fight, I just think they got screwed.

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