I don't know how you can extend Ridley and give up a 2nd rounder (or 3rd if you play the tag/extension trick) with the needs we have all over the roster and the already high number of players who are way overly paid and the dead cap money we would have to take for most of them.

He is not a number 1, he is a good player when locked in (but his history shows he isn't super dependable) but the pick you have to give up and our contract numbers won't likely make sense.

He was a decent bet to try and give us a boost and for the price we paid it was worth it but barring an out of this world postseason from him he should be let go.

Of course if Baalke is going to flush another 2nd and 3rd rounder for a backup TE and backup rotational RB with the picks he keeps by not signing Ridley well....that's another story.

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I'm not as down on Ridley as most on this Board. He is likely to finish the season with 75-80 receptions and 7 or 8 touchdowns. We were all somewhat guilty of having expectations which were too high following his great opening game against the Colts following an impressive pre-season. No doubt, he has been guilty of some drops and running the wrong routes. My hope is that they can keep him at a reasonable price since he hasn't performed like the other top receivers in the NFL. Ideally, they could place the transition tag on him to see if he's worth a long term deal. There is very little chance of the team keeping Kirk, Ridley and Zay Jones following next season but they are a very good trio who are hard for defenses to contain, especially when you also must cover Evan Engram- who is a great receiving tight-end. I'd still like to see the 3 receivers together one more season and hope that someone like Parker Washington can replace one of them following next season.

Ridley had 14 targets with just 3 catches.

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I can't hate the trade we made for him, he has helped us win despite what others think. Most of the complainers are people that want some hero for their fantasy team and have unrealistic expectations of 200 yards every game and 3 TD's. That said, I hope we can recover anything we've lost after the season I think KC will be in the market for a receiver.

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I can't hate the trade we made for him,  he has helped us win despite what others think.  Most of the complainers are people that want some hero for their fantasy team and have unrealistic expectations of 200 yards every game and 3 TD's.  That said,  I hope we can recover anything we've lost after the season I think KC will be in the market for a receiver.

Or… and hear me out. From a supposed #1 WR, we would like consistency. The ability to consistently beat man coverage. Showing up in big games. Throwing out the “well fantasy nerds are expecting blah blah blah” makes you look like you’re out of excuses for Ridley. 

Ridley has been fine but he’s sloppy. Doesn’t finish routes sometimes. Runs the wrong routes sometimes. He’s also 29. If the Jags are giving a WR a lot of money, I would rather give it to Higgins who’s 24, still hasn’t hit his ceiling and clearly has a connection with Trevor.

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I can't hate the trade we made for him,  he has helped us win despite what others think.  Most of the complainers are people that want some hero for their fantasy team and have unrealistic expectations of 200 yards every game and 3 TD's.  That said,  I hope we can recover anything we've lost after the season I think KC will be in the market for a receiver.

Or… and hear me out. From a supposed #1 WR, we would like consistency. The ability to consistently beat man coverage. Showing up in big games. Throwing out the “well fantasy nerds are expecting blah blah blah” makes you look like you’re out of excuses for Ridley. 

Ridley has been fine but he’s sloppy. Doesn’t finish routes sometimes. Runs the wrong routes sometimes. He’s also 29. If the Jags are giving a WR a lot of money, I would rather give it to Higgins who’s 24, still hasn’t hit his ceiling and clearly has a connection with Trevor.

At this point I'm in the same camp. I was really clinging to Ridley breaking out and I though he had after back to back good weeks after SF, but it's the inconsistency that kills it for me. That miscommunication that led to Trevor's second INT was about the last straw for me. I can forgive some drops on tough catches, but I'm just about done barring a huge end/postseason push by him. When he's on, he's fantastic, but as the #1 he should be "on" way more than he's "off"

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IT WAS ALWAYS THE JAGS

The entire offense is dysfunctional because of the line. Ridley is a good piece and trying to replace him will be difficult.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

The entire offense is dysfunctional because of the line. Ridley is a good piece and trying to replace him will be difficult.

Yes. He’s definitely not a problem. He will help here leading into hopefully the playoffs run for the jags.

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The entire offense is dysfunctional because of the line. Ridley is a good piece and trying to replace him will be difficult.

He is, and I'd rather have him than some of the guys we've had before. But he hasn't been that true #1 we were looking for in him.

I still think the team brings him back in some capacity, he hasn't been BAD. he's had some bad plays/games.

But if you can replace him with Tee? You do it.

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IT WAS ALWAYS THE JAGS

I just don't understand the idea of "[BLEEP] it and [BLEEP] him, let's just not worry about bringing him back next year". He's been back in football after two years of being out and this is his 12th start since then.

He's had some good games and then he's had some clunkers and literal let downs. It happens. But, again, going into next year, the idea that some of you are just confident that, for starters, BAALKE, who has a piss poor track record with drafting WR's to begin with, is going to:

A. Restock the offensive line with above average talent in at least two to three areas.
B. Restock the defensive line with above average talent in at least two to three areas.
C. Refill positions at WR and along the secondary with looming contracts expiring.

It's rich. We don't have enough capital to restock these holes you all are so desperately willing to take on. It's just crazy to me. I don't think we'll even have to break the bank to keep Ridley here. I also don't think you'd want to [BLEEP] trust Baalke to make the right decision anyway with that 2nd or 3rd RD pick this team is going to lose in that deal.

I don't. Why should I be worried or concerned with Baalke losing a late 2nd or 3rd RD pick in next year's draft when he's failed for the most part in landing consistently solid or healthy pieces in those rounds? Are we going to give him credit for Little, Campbell and Cisco? That could have been Meyer more than him. And, even those guys are shaky at best. Little can't stay healthy, Campbell has been tipsy topsy this year and Cisco has his moments but then falls off the radar for weeks on end.

He took Fortner and Muma in 2022's 3rd RD after he forked over his 2nd RD pick to get Devin Lloyd in RD1. Fortner is somebody they'll more than likely replace in 2024. Muma is a special team's player that has barely seen the field with starting responsibilities due to having already invested in Oluokon via free agency and Devin Lloyd in that same...[BLEEP]...draft.

This past year in April he took Strange in RD2 (A reach, nobody knew who the [BLEEP] he was when his name was called, and, if you did? You're either full of [BLEEP] or you're a Penn St. fan or alumni) and then he took Bigsby in RD3 who had ball security concerns coming out of Auburn and he clearly didn't leave that there when he became a professional.

This is also the same guy that couldn't wheel and deal worth a [BLEEP] with 13 overall picks in that class, and gave up 2 picks in the previous year to take a RB that I think is maybe on our practice squad. So, yeah. Not sure why some of you are so gung ho about keeping a 2nd or 3rd RD pick with Baalke at the commands of it.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

The entire offense is dysfunctional because of the line. Ridley is a good piece and trying to replace him will be difficult.

I don’t disagree but how many horrendous drops does Ridley have? He has some of the worst drops I’ve ever seen from a #1.

The line certainly needs to improve and I would love to swing a deal like the 49ers did for Trent Williams. 

But if Ridley is asking for #1 type money, what do you do?

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The entire offense is dysfunctional because of the line. Ridley is a good piece and trying to replace him will be difficult.

I don’t disagree but how many horrendous drops does Ridley have? He has some of the worst drops I’ve ever seen from a #1.

The line certainly needs to improve and I would love to swing a deal like the 49ers did for Trent Williams. 

But if Ridley is asking for #1 type money, what do you do?

You tag him and throw that money at Josh Allen.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

If he helps us win in the playoffs with some big plays, then the narrative will change fast. Lots left to play out.

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If he helps us win in the playoffs with some big plays, then the narrative will change fast. Lots left to play out.

Agreed. Five games left with plenty of opportunities, including the post season, to give you a good idea of whether or not he's worth a [BLEEP] and keeping next year. Again, for me? It's easy. 

I don't trust Baalke in backfilling the WR position at all and his track record even here with the 2nd and 3rd RD picks are questionable at best. It's not like he's drafting [BLEEP] all-pro's or consistently above average football players to begin with here with those rounds. 

Would rather take my chances with Ridley going into next year with his 2nd year and off season to operate in this system with Lawrence. Also, we'll have a pair of 3rd RD picks anyway. Even if they extend him I think they'll just lose a 2nd RD pick anyway. 

But, again, not sure why anybody would be confident or gung ho with Baalke making those decisions in those rounds in particular. He sucks. The only reason he hasn't been fired yet is because Lawrence is playing like the generational talent he should be, he came into a dumpster fire of an organization, Pederson's coaching and, to be fair to Baalke, he has been better at finding and managing the cap with free agency picks.

I'll give him that. Maybe that's what we need. Baalke can stick to free agency decisions but we need somebody with a better feel and eye in the draft like a Rick Smith or Rick Spielman or somebody like that to find better talent for this football team via the draft.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

I don’t disagree but how many horrendous drops does Ridley have? He has some of the worst drops I’ve ever seen from a #1.

The line certainly needs to improve and I would love to swing a deal like the 49ers did for Trent Williams. 

But if Ridley is asking for #1 type money, what do you do?

You tag him and throw that money at Josh Allen.

Tag him?!

Do you know how much the tag would be for a WR? This past year it was 20 million. It’ll likely go up this offseason. You really want to give 22 million or more for 1 season of Calvin Ridley? And you still have to give up a 2nd rounder.

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Somehow I think he makes his presence know down the stretch, clarifying this argument.

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You tag him and throw that money at Josh Allen.

Tag him?!

Do you know how much the tag would be for a WR? This past year it was 20 million. It’ll likely go up this offseason. You really want to give 22 million or more for 1 season of Calvin Ridley? And you still have to give up a 2nd rounder.

Yes. I am not losing Josh Allen. That's for sure. I also think, much like the Engram situation last off season that, they'll figure out a way to extend him reasonably. Again, still 5+ games left for him to put up or shut up. 

And, again, as cited numerous times, why would anybody have confidence in Baalke with a 2nd RD pick and be gung ho about it? Because his last two classes with those 2nd and 3rd RD picks have been ho-hum...if that.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

I just don't understand the idea of "[BLEEP] it and [BLEEP] him, let's just not worry about bringing him back next year". He's been back in football after two years of being out and this is his 12th start since then.

He's had some good games and then he's had some clunkers and literal let downs. It happens. But, again, going into next year, the idea that some of you are just confident that, for starters, BAALKE, who has a piss poor track record with drafting WR's to begin with, is going to:

A. Restock the offensive line with above average talent in at least two to three areas.
B. Restock the defensive line with above average talent in at least two to three areas.
C. Refill positions at WR and along the secondary with looming contracts expiring.

It's rich. We don't have enough capital to restock these holes you all are so desperately willing to take on. It's just crazy to me. I don't think we'll even have to break the bank to keep Ridley here. I also don't think you'd want to [BLEEP] trust Baalke to make the right decision anyway with that 2nd or 3rd RD pick this team is going to lose in that deal.

I don't. Why should I be worried or concerned with Baalke losing a late 2nd or 3rd RD pick in next year's draft when he's failed for the most part in landing consistently solid or healthy pieces in those rounds? Are we going to give him credit for Little, Campbell and Cisco? That could have been Meyer more than him. And, even those guys are shaky at best. Little can't stay healthy, Campbell has been tipsy topsy this year and Cisco has his moments but then falls off the radar for weeks on end.

He took Fortner and Muma in 2022's 3rd RD after he forked over his 2nd RD pick to get Devin Lloyd in RD1. Fortner is somebody they'll more than likely replace in 2024. Muma is a special team's player that has barely seen the field with starting responsibilities due to having already invested in Oluokon via free agency and Devin Lloyd in that same...[BLEEP]...draft.

This past year in April he took Strange in RD2 (A reach, nobody knew who the [BLEEP] he was when his name was called, and, if you did? You're either full of [BLEEP] or you're a Penn St. fan or alumni) and then he took Bigsby in RD3 who had ball security concerns coming out of Auburn and he clearly didn't leave that there when he became a professional.

This is also the same guy that couldn't wheel and deal worth a [BLEEP] with 13 overall picks in that class, and gave up 2 picks in the previous year to take a RB that I think is maybe on our practice squad. So, yeah. Not sure why some of you are so gung ho about keeping a 2nd or 3rd RD pick with Baalke at the commands of it.

I'm not saying DONT bring him back. I'd rather have him then take a swing at the draft or sign a WR off the street. I'm just saying if you can replace him with Tee for similar money, I'd rather have Tee.

He's still the most physically gifted WR on the team, and if he can shake these ups and downs I'd be ecstatic. I'd even be fine with losing the 2nd to keep him still, it's just frustrating to see him not be the #1 he seemed to be all training camp.

As you said though, he is still only on game 12 after 2 years off. Don't let him walk for nothing, but if there's a clear better option you take it. Which also applies to everyone else on the team to be fair.

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IT WAS ALWAYS THE JAGS

You tag him and throw that money at Josh Allen.

You tag him and throw that money at Josh Allen.

Tag him?!

Do you know how much the tag would be for a WR? This past year it was 20 million. It’ll likely go up this offseason. You really want to give 22 million or more for 1 season of Calvin Ridley? And you still have to give up a 2nd rounder.

You don't tag a WR that isn't a #1. You have to tag Allen because as everyone has seen, it's not 1 player and with Allen they have given up +31 the last 2 weeks. You have to spread the money around.

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Overall, just depends on how he does the rest of year and who else is available.

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I just don't understand the idea of "[BLEEP] it and [BLEEP] him, let's just not worry about bringing him back next year". He's been back in football after two years of being out and this is his 12th start since then.

He's had some good games and then he's had some clunkers and literal let downs. It happens. But, again, going into next year, the idea that some of you are just confident that, for starters, BAALKE, who has a piss poor track record with drafting WR's to begin with, is going to:

A. Restock the offensive line with above average talent in at least two to three areas.
B. Restock the defensive line with above average talent in at least two to three areas.
C. Refill positions at WR and along the secondary with looming contracts expiring.

It's rich. We don't have enough capital to restock these holes you all are so desperately willing to take on. It's just crazy to me. I don't think we'll even have to break the bank to keep Ridley here. I also don't think you'd want to [BLEEP] trust Baalke to make the right decision anyway with that 2nd or 3rd RD pick this team is going to lose in that deal.

I don't. Why should I be worried or concerned with Baalke losing a late 2nd or 3rd RD pick in next year's draft when he's failed for the most part in landing consistently solid or healthy pieces in those rounds? Are we going to give him credit for Little, Campbell and Cisco? That could have been Meyer more than him. And, even those guys are shaky at best. Little can't stay healthy, Campbell has been tipsy topsy this year and Cisco has his moments but then falls off the radar for weeks on end.

He took Fortner and Muma in 2022's 3rd RD after he forked over his 2nd RD pick to get Devin Lloyd in RD1. Fortner is somebody they'll more than likely replace in 2024. Muma is a special team's player that has barely seen the field with starting responsibilities due to having already invested in Oluokon via free agency and Devin Lloyd in that same...[BLEEP]...draft.

This past year in April he took Strange in RD2 (A reach, nobody knew who the [BLEEP] he was when his name was called, and, if you did? You're either full of [BLEEP] or you're a Penn St. fan or alumni) and then he took Bigsby in RD3 who had ball security concerns coming out of Auburn and he clearly didn't leave that there when he became a professional.

This is also the same guy that couldn't wheel and deal worth a [BLEEP] with 13 overall picks in that class, and gave up 2 picks in the previous year to take a RB that I think is maybe on our practice squad. So, yeah. Not sure why some of you are so gung ho about keeping a 2nd or 3rd RD pick with Baalke at the commands of it.

I'm not saying DONT bring him back. I'd rather have him then take a swing at the draft or sign a WR off the street. I'm just saying if you can replace him with Tee for similar money, I'd rather have Tee.

He's still the most physically gifted WR on the team, and if he can shake these ups and downs I'd be ecstatic. I'd even be fine with losing the 2nd to keep him still, it's just frustrating to see him not be the #1 he seemed to be all training camp.

As you said though, he is still only on game 12 after 2 years off. Don't let him walk for nothing, but if there's a clear better option you take it. Which also applies to everyone else on the team to be fair.

My post was open air from reading various posts. Not directly aiming it at you or anybody. The argument for Tee Higgins is fair. However, again, not sure what the attraction is there with him. 

He's cracked 100 yards just once this season, he's had some injury concerns, and, he's not a number one receiver neither and he greatly benefits from Ja'Marr Chase. I honestly think you'd be getting the same output here. 

Not going to get bent out of shape about a guy missing two years worth of football trying to learn a new system, new group of guys to develop chemistry with, etc. Just pointless.

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You tag him and throw that money at Josh Allen.

Tag him?!

Do you know how much the tag would be for a WR? This past year it was 20 million. It’ll likely go up this offseason. You really want to give 22 million or more for 1 season of Calvin Ridley? And you still have to give up a 2nd rounder.

You don't tag a WR that isn't a #1. You have to tag Allen because as everyone has seen, it's not 1 player and with Allen they have given up +31 the last 2 weeks. You have to spread the money around.

I think you have to work something out with Allen before free agency. Again, the confidence around here is staggeringly concerning with Baalke trying to backfill a [BLEEP] ton of holes going into next year. 

The offensive line and defensive line need to improve, period. We're lucky Lawrence hasn't ended up like Burrow this year. That luck will eventually run out. It would just be a real pisser going into next year, ONCE AGAIN, looking for:

1. Edge rusher
2. Receiver 

When, we should be looking for:

1. Center
2. Interior defensive tone setter

This is getting very, very frustrating. LOL.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."