....so something tells me we darft an LT in the first next April.

Ope.

I think they'll consider one of two things at this point:

1. We're keeping Cam Robinson.
2. We're drafting another RT or LT and depending on the position, it's possible Harrison moves from RT to LT. 

I just don't have much faith in Walker Little holding up physically full time, and, he did get bulldozed back onto Trevor's ankle which is really where our downfall this year began. So, maybe he's bad luck to have starting out there. 

Not sure. At any rate. A minimum of three new faces with a fourth to challenge said new faces and current guys on the line-up is a necessity.

Guards don't normally get drafted too highly but tackles with guard ability tend to do so. Would make our pick on the opening night of the draft a strong candidate for Graham Barton out of Duke. He's a solid LT prospect but he has some experience within the interior.

Gives you flexibility immediately. Especially if you fail to add anybody starting wise in free agency.

You can't keep PEDSRob, he's one test away from a year suspension. Having 17 million cap dollars wrapped up in that kind of risk is bad business so just cut the guy and use his dollars to bring in replacements. I would've already done that last offsesason but we played stupid games and won the stupid prize instead.

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I don’t know about next season yet, but jags need Robinson bad this season. Solid left tackles aren’t easy to find. I would even say he’s more than solid.

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I think they'll consider one of two things at this point:

1. We're keeping Cam Robinson.
2. We're drafting another RT or LT and depending on the position, it's possible Harrison moves from RT to LT. 

I just don't have much faith in Walker Little holding up physically full time, and, he did get bulldozed back onto Trevor's ankle which is really where our downfall this year began. So, maybe he's bad luck to have starting out there. 

Not sure. At any rate. A minimum of three new faces with a fourth to challenge said new faces and current guys on the line-up is a necessity.

Guards don't normally get drafted too highly but tackles with guard ability tend to do so. Would make our pick on the opening night of the draft a strong candidate for Graham Barton out of Duke. He's a solid LT prospect but he has some experience within the interior.

Gives you flexibility immediately. Especially if you fail to add anybody starting wise in free agency.

You can't keep PEDSRob, he's one test away from a year suspension. Having 17 million cap dollars wrapped up in that kind of risk is bad business so just cut the guy and use his dollars to bring in replacements. I would've already done that last offsesason but we played stupid games and won the stupid prize instead.

If Walker Little doesn't show some competency to finish the season it may become pretty difficult not to just overpay Cam for one more year IMO. 

Chances are high they will be signing deals or rookie contracts at LG and Center. Who know what they do about RG. 
Do we really want to be in a situation that involves 4 new players to the line when we could figure out LT in the offseason following 2024? 

Right now the only thing that seems set in stone for next season is Harrison at RT. 

Are you currently penciling Little in at LT despite how bad he's looked for 3 weeks?

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If only Walker Little, Fortner, Scherrf and the rest of the O-Line had a mentor or maybe a person that was interested in their technique and development as players...  I don't know...  Let's just get rid of this group and draft another group and assume they'll become great all on their own.

No need to worry about development, they'll figure it out on their own.

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Probably too early to write off Little. He filled in for Cam late last year and we didn't miss a beat. Started off this year well and then got hurt. Didnt help they kept shuffling him between positions. Give him an off-season to focus on one position and have him play that position all year and I'm betting you'd see much better play.

But as others have said, it feels like bringing back Cam is a must

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Scouting well is all that matters.  Draft philosophy is all fluff.

Jags need some home runs in this next draft for real.

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Again,  I just want to point out that our Guards and Centers were the same last year as they are this year.

Wasn't Fortner our Center last year?  Wasn't Scherrif our Guard last year?

Didn't our RB's do a better job picking up the blitzes last year?  (Answer:  Yes)

But let's put all the blame on the players.  

I don't get it.  So is it the players that told the coaches to stop doing motion pre-snap?  Is it the players that told the coaches that we prefer running straight up the middle with no misdirection?  Is it the players that told the coaches that out routes and flat routes are the only things they will run?

It's beyond ridiculous to think that coaches don't matter.  And yet the loudest posters here contininue to tell us that the coaches don't matter and to only blame the players.  The players that were here last year and looked 100% better than they do now.  But I guess it's because the players just decided not to play good anymore.

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Again I just want to point out that we literally have the worst offensive line in the national football league and yet the loudest poster is too busy obsessing over play calling to have a [BLEEP] clue what that means to an offense.

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Again,  I just want to point out that our Guards and Centers were the same last year as they are this year.

Wasn't Fortner our Center last year?  Wasn't Scherrif our Guard last year?

Didn't our RB's do a better job picking up the blitzes last year?  (Answer:  Yes)

But let's put all the blame on the players.  

I don't get it.  So is it the players that told the coaches to stop doing motion pre-snap?  Is it the players that told the coaches that we prefer running straight up the middle with no misdirection?  Is it the players that told the coaches that out routes and flat routes are the only things they will run?

It's beyond ridiculous to think that coaches don't matter.  And yet the loudest posters here contininue to tell us that the coaches don't matter and to only blame the players.  The players that were here last year and looked 100% better than they do now.  But I guess it's because the players just decided not to play good anymore.

Morons are drunk off last years success.

And somehow rosterwise were worst this year again says the morons that are still drunk off last year.

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Again,  I just want to point out that our Guards and Centers were the same last year as they are this year.

Wasn't Fortner our Center last year?  Wasn't Scherrif our Guard last year?

Didn't our RB's do a better job picking up the blitzes last year?  (Answer:  Yes)

But let's put all the blame on the players.  

I don't get it.  So is it the players that told the coaches to stop doing motion pre-snap?  Is it the players that told the coaches that we prefer running straight up the middle with no misdirection?  Is it the players that told the coaches that out routes and flat routes are the only things they will run?

It's beyond ridiculous to think that coaches don't matter.  And yet the loudest posters here contininue to tell us that the coaches don't matter and to only blame the players.  The players that were here last year and looked 100% better than they do now.  But I guess it's because the players just decided not to play good anymore.

Morons are drunk off last years success.

And somehow rosterwise were worst this year again says the morons that are still drunk off last year.

Success? 

LOL

This team had major [BLEEP] issues last year and somehow managed to string together just enough wins late to scrape into the playoffs. 

Only thing different this year is they waited a while to suck on defense, they have zero run game - because the OL actually got worse somehow,  and they have more injuries. 

All these jackasses whining about playcalling don't understand the game. 

Press is probably a mid-tier play caller at best but he isn't the one losing these games. 
He's 10% of the problem at the very most. 

You want to gripe about coaching? Look to the OL coach and figure out why we have literally zero run game. No matter what runs Press calls - ETN gets contact behind the LOS 70% of the time. They've had weeks to try and manufacture something but everything they try fails. The 5 guys up front are not getting it done. Only a "moron"for in this case a troll - would fail to recognize  impact that creates.

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Again,  I just want to point out that our Guards and Centers were the same last year as they are this year.

Wasn't Fortner our Center last year?  Wasn't Scherrif our Guard last year?

Didn't our RB's do a better job picking up the blitzes last year?  (Answer:  Yes)

But let's put all the blame on the players.  

I don't get it.  So is it the players that told the coaches to stop doing motion pre-snap?  Is it the players that told the coaches that we prefer running straight up the middle with no misdirection?  Is it the players that told the coaches that out routes and flat routes are the only things they will run?

It's beyond ridiculous to think that coaches don't matter.  And yet the loudest posters here contininue to tell us that the coaches don't matter and to only blame the players.  The players that were here last year and looked 100% better than they do now.  But I guess it's because the players just decided not to play good anymore.

100% accurate

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Morons are drunk off last years success.

And somehow rosterwise were worst this year again says the morons that are still drunk off last year.

Success? 

LOL

This team had major [BLEEP] issues last year and somehow managed to string together just enough wins late to scrape into the playoffs. 

Only thing different this year is they waited a while to suck on defense, they have zero run game - because the OL actually got worse somehow,  and they have more injuries. 

All these jackasses whining about playcalling don't understand the game. 

Press is probably a mid-tier play caller at best but he isn't the one losing these games. 
He's 10% of the problem at the very most. 

You want to gripe about coaching? Look to the OL coach and figure out why we have literally zero run game. No matter what runs Press calls - ETN gets contact behind the LOS 70% of the time. They've had weeks to try and manufacture something but everything they try fails. The 5 guys up front are not getting it done. Only a "moron"for in this case a troll - would fail to recognize  impact that creates.

Same stupid argument from you a LAZY take about OLine lol...


Teams win with poor OLine play all the time, I understand it’s a problem, but the staff doesn’t seem to able to adjust offensively. The scheme isn’t working, and it seems like it’s being forced. I fully believe this after seeing what KOC has done, changed an entire offense for a QB that had barely been with the team.


Look around the league and you can see quite a few different approaches to dealing with below-average o-lines. Obviously it's all easier if your line is great, but I think there are still levers our staff could pull to make it easier.


You act as if only the Jags deal with bad OLine play. Lmao.

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Again,  I just want to point out that our Guards and Centers were the same last year as they are this year.

Wasn't Fortner our Center last year?  Wasn't Scherrif our Guard last year?

Didn't our RB's do a better job picking up the blitzes last year?  (Answer:  Yes)

But let's put all the blame on the players.  

I don't get it.  So is it the players that told the coaches to stop doing motion pre-snap?  Is it the players that told the coaches that we prefer running straight up the middle with no misdirection?  Is it the players that told the coaches that out routes and flat routes are the only things they will run?

It's beyond ridiculous to think that coaches don't matter.  And yet the loudest posters here contininue to tell us that the coaches don't matter and to only blame the players.  The players that were here last year and looked 100% better than they do now.  But I guess it's because the players just decided not to play good anymore.

Only poster on here that seems to have common sense...

Doug with hisb butt buddy Press are trouting the same BS as last year and doing literally zero to make it easier for a struggling OLine and QB. But yet the coaching staff is not the problem says the morons. 

There's awful OL in the entire league, look at Carolina or even our rival Tennessee, they are dealing with practice squads LT, RG, RT..... yet their RBs are still being able to move the ball.

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Let’s see if Cam makes a difference for the OL today.

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Respect the game.  Play with a sense of urgency. 


1.)  Take care of the ball.  Win the turnover battle.

2.)  It's all about 3rd down.  Win on 3rd down to win the game.

3.) Playmakers make plays.  The only reason that you put your uniform on is to make plays. In order to EARN your paycheck, you must make plays.  

Learn from the great collapse of 2023.  

Success? 

LOL

This team had major [BLEEP] issues last year and somehow managed to string together just enough wins late to scrape into the playoffs. 

Only thing different this year is they waited a while to suck on defense, they have zero run game - because the OL actually got worse somehow,  and they have more injuries. 

All these jackasses whining about playcalling don't understand the game. 

Press is probably a mid-tier play caller at best but he isn't the one losing these games. 
He's 10% of the problem at the very most. 

You want to gripe about coaching? Look to the OL coach and figure out why we have literally zero run game. No matter what runs Press calls - ETN gets contact behind the LOS 70% of the time. They've had weeks to try and manufacture something but everything they try fails. The 5 guys up front are not getting it done. Only a "moron"for in this case a troll - would fail to recognize  impact that creates.

Same stupid argument from you a LAZY take about OLine lol...


Teams win with poor OLine play all the time, I understand it’s a problem, but the staff doesn’t seem to able to adjust offensively. The scheme isn’t working, and it seems like it’s being forced. I fully believe this after seeing what KOC has done, changed an entire offense for a QB that had barely been with the team.


Look around the league and you can see quite a few different approaches to dealing with below-average o-lines. Obviously it's all easier if your line is great, but I think there are still levers our staff could pull to make it easier.


You act as if only the Jags deal with bad OLine play. Lmao.

This isn't an argument 

This is me wasting my time trying to educate an idiot

There are degrees of bad line play. Some of it is overcome-able - some of it is not. 

The 4000 yards passing and 27 TDs on the season thus far are how much we have overcome it. 
The 6 losses and abysmal run game are how much we've been unable to overcome it. 

Put the best play caller on the planet in that booth and we'd still be 8-6 or 9-5 right now at best. 

Coaching is way down the list of issues for this team.

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Wow.

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Same stupid argument from you a LAZY take about OLine lol...


Teams win with poor OLine play all the time, I understand it’s a problem, but the staff doesn’t seem to able to adjust offensively. The scheme isn’t working, and it seems like it’s being forced. I fully believe this after seeing what KOC has done, changed an entire offense for a QB that had barely been with the team.


Look around the league and you can see quite a few different approaches to dealing with below-average o-lines. Obviously it's all easier if your line is great, but I think there are still levers our staff could pull to make it easier.


You act as if only the Jags deal with bad OLine play. Lmao.

This isn't an argument 

This is me wasting my time trying to educate an idiot

There are degrees of bad line play. Some of it is overcome-able - some of it is not. 

The 4000 yards passing and 27 TDs on the season thus far are how much we have overcome it. 
The 6 losses and abysmal run game are how much we've been unable to overcome it. 

Put the best play caller on the planet in that booth and we'd still be 8-6 or 9-5 right now at best. 

Coaching is way down the list of issues for this team.

Yet the line looks good today "Thks LiNe SUckS".... the play calling has been better which = better line.

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This isn't an argument 

This is me wasting my time trying to educate an idiot

There are degrees of bad line play. Some of it is overcome-able - some of it is not. 

The 4000 yards passing and 27 TDs on the season thus far are how much we have overcome it. 
The 6 losses and abysmal run game are how much we've been unable to overcome it. 

Put the best play caller on the planet in that booth and we'd still be 8-6 or 9-5 right now at best. 

Coaching is way down the list of issues for this team.

Yet the line looks good today "Thks LiNe SUckS".... the play calling has been better which = better line.

Zero has changed with the play calling today except running a bit more - we're just facing a crap opponent

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This isn't an argument 

This is me wasting my time trying to educate an idiot

There are degrees of bad line play. Some of it is overcome-able - some of it is not. 

The 4000 yards passing and 27 TDs on the season thus far are how much we have overcome it. 
The 6 losses and abysmal run game are how much we've been unable to overcome it. 

Put the best play caller on the planet in that booth and we'd still be 8-6 or 9-5 right now at best. 

Coaching is way down the list of issues for this team.

Yet the line looks good today "Thks LiNe SUckS".... the play calling has been better which = better line.

Dude, they can't run and gave up a sack to the worst defensive line in the League.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

LOL

Well, here are some of your actual quotes (again) for you to lie about some more. Feel free to insert more lies about their context too! I'm sure that's fooling someone out there. 

All the effort you put into finding these quotes and have still yet to prove any point. I've already said that I called him out for his bad play, still waiting to see where I said he would never be good.

Also do me a favor, stretch out these posts for me, i'd be willing to bet 90% of this is on game day threads.

Edit: Also side note, the Bethard quote is quite a funny one. Lawrence was playing like absolute dog [BLEEP] the entire game, everyone in that thread was blaming the WRs and Bethard came in for all of 4 or so plays and threw 3 absolute dots, one of which would have been a 40+ yard td if Agnew didn't drop it.

Success? 

LOL

This team had major [BLEEP] issues last year and somehow managed to string together just enough wins late to scrape into the playoffs. 

Only thing different this year is they waited a while to suck on defense, they have zero run game - because the OL actually got worse somehow,  and they have more injuries. 

All these jackasses whining about playcalling don't understand the game. 

Press is probably a mid-tier play caller at best but he isn't the one losing these games. 
He's 10% of the problem at the very most. 

You want to gripe about coaching? Look to the OL coach and figure out why we have literally zero run game. No matter what runs Press calls - ETN gets contact behind the LOS 70% of the time. They've had weeks to try and manufacture something but everything they try fails. The 5 guys up front are not getting it done. Only a "moron"for in this case a troll - would fail to recognize  impact that creates.

Same stupid argument from you a LAZY take about OLine lol...


Teams win with poor OLine play all the time, I understand it’s a problem, but the staff doesn’t seem to able to adjust offensively. The scheme isn’t working, and it seems like it’s being forced. I fully believe this after seeing what KOC has done, changed an entire offense for a QB that had barely been with the team.


Look around the league and you can see quite a few different approaches to dealing with below-average o-lines. Obviously it's all easier if your line is great, but I think there are still levers our staff could pull to make it easier.


You act as if only the Jags deal with bad OLine play. Lmao.

Like the Chiefs?  Oh...wait...

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