I'm still willing to bet that Baalke trades down on night one of the draft.

flgators dreams of Bowers being around at 17...pipe dream. He says he wants the Jags to trade down if players he likes are not there at 17. Now he wants Kool-Aid at 17. Smh.

Trade down and get a decent tackle in the 20's, while picking up extra picks and call it a night.

Dont be stupid man. Can you show me where I said I want Kool Aid at 17?  I dont want him at 17 but I wouldnt dislike it.  I'd rather him than Wiggins or Arnold.  I want Mitchell, Fuaga, DeJean, Bowers, Verse, etc. at 17.  I need to see who's on the board

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I would take Mitchell, Arnold, Wiggins and DeJean before Kool-Aid.

What do you not like about him?  I think he could be a perfect corner for Nielsen's defense.  You know that our new DC plays as much or more press man and press bail than any DC in the league right?  He might be the best corner at it.  He faster than Arnold as well

McKinstry played exactly 1,000 coverage snaps over the past two years, and 573 were in press, from which he earned a 90.3 coverage grade with two interceptions and an astounding 25 forced incompletions. Playing with your back to the ball in man coverage isn’t for everyone, but McKinstry thrives there. He is calm and confident and has a good feel for when the ball is arriving to punch it out or swipe it away. There are a handful of great press coverage defenders in this class, but it’s hard to not give this superlative to McKinstry.

McKinstry played exactly 1,000 coverage snaps over the past two years, and 573 were in press, from which he earned a 90.3 coverage grade with two interceptions and an astounding 25 forced incompletions. Playing with your back to the ball in man coverage isn’t for everyone, but McKinstry thrives there. He is calm and confident and has a good feel for when the ball is arriving to punch it out or swipe it away. There are a handful of great press coverage defenders in this class, but it’s hard to not give this superlative to McKinstry.

Dont get me wrong : I like McKinstry. But not at 17.
I am all for DT/OG at 17. 
I honestly see a lot of grabbing with him in college that could translate in flags in the NFL. 
Tbh, I could see his game translate into a safety in the NFL.
DeJean would be my pick if we go CB in the first.

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I'm still willing to bet that Baalke trades down on night one of the draft.

flgators dreams of Bowers being around at 17...pipe dream. He says he wants the Jags to trade down if players he likes are not there at 17. Now he wants Kool-Aid at 17. Smh.

Trade down and get a decent tackle in the 20's, while picking up extra picks and call it a night.

  I'd rather him than Wiggins

What is not to like about Wiggins? Will have the best career of any of these CBs coming out.

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  I'd rather him than Wiggins

What is not to like about Wiggins? Will have the best career of any of these CBs coming out.

Size, not a willing tackler, personality, and his interviews.

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What do you not like about him?  I think he could be a perfect corner for Nielsen's defense.  You know that our new DC plays as much or more press man and press bail than any DC in the league right?  He might be the best corner at it.  He faster than Arnold as well

McKinstry played exactly 1,000 coverage snaps over the past two years, and 573 were in press, from which he earned a 90.3 coverage grade with two interceptions and an astounding 25 forced incompletions. Playing with your back to the ball in man coverage isn’t for everyone, but McKinstry thrives there. He is calm and confident and has a good feel for when the ball is arriving to punch it out or swipe it away. There are a handful of great press coverage defenders in this class, but it’s hard to not give this superlative to McKinstry.

McKinstry played exactly 1,000 coverage snaps over the past two years, and 573 were in press, from which he earned a 90.3 coverage grade with two interceptions and an astounding 25 forced incompletions. Playing with your back to the ball in man coverage isn’t for everyone, but McKinstry thrives there. He is calm and confident and has a good feel for when the ball is arriving to punch it out or swipe it away. There are a handful of great press coverage defenders in this class, but it’s hard to not give this superlative to McKinstry.

Dont get me wrong : I like McKinstry. But not at 17.
I am all for DT/OG at 17. 
I honestly see a lot of grabbing with him in college that could translate in flags in the NFL. 
Tbh, I could see his game translate into a safety in the NFL.
DeJean would be my pick if we go CB in the first.

Gotcha, yeah I'm higher on DeJean than most.  Can't wait for his workout Monday

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What is not to like about Wiggins? Will have the best career of any of these CBs coming out.

Size, not a willing tackler, personality, and his interviews.

He is 6'2" 182 pounds. A few months with an NFL Strength & Conditioning coach and he will be perfection.

You obviously have watched zero actual film on him. "Wiggins is combative, feisty, and aggressive."

You must be confusing him with someone else on whatever you heard about his "personality." Complete BS you made up or heard from some clown.

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Size, not a willing tackler, personality, and his interviews.

He is 6'2" 182 pounds. A few months with an NFL Strength & Conditioning coach and he will be perfection.

You obviously have watched zero actual film on him. "Wiggins is combative, feisty, and aggressive."

You must be confusing him with someone else on whatever you heard about his "personality." Complete BS you made up or heard from some clown.

He was 173 at the combine and came in a few weeks later  at his pro day 10 lbs heavier.  Was it water weight knowing it's a concern for a lot of teams?  Looks like he put on some weight real quick because of those concerns.

https://walterfootball.com/nfl-hot-press...ncerns.php

I think you got Wiggins mixed up with Kool-Aid.  Kool-Aid is the aggressive in your face corner.  Wiggins is not a good tackler

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He is 6'2" 182 pounds. A few months with an NFL Strength & Conditioning coach and he will be perfection.

You obviously have watched zero actual film on him. "Wiggins is combative, feisty, and aggressive."

You must be confusing him with someone else on whatever you heard about his "personality." Complete BS you made up or heard from some clown.

He was 173 at the combine and came in a few weeks later  at his pro day 10 lbs heavier.  Was it water weight knowing it's a concern for a lot of teams?  Looks like he put on some weight real quick because of those concerns.

https://walterfootball.com/nfl-hot-press...ncerns.php

I think you got Wiggins mixed up with Kool-Aid.  Kool-Aid is the aggressive in your face corner.  Wiggins is not a good tackler

Zero concerns about size. Ideal height and you are crying about 10 pounds here or there. Give me a break. NFL strength & conditioning programs handle all that.

The All 22 film I have watched shows him being an aggressive tackler. His coverage skills are beyond elite. Of the two I want my CBs to be elite in coverage. Saying he can't tackle sounds like someone who never saw him play. Just reading random profiles that you think fit your narrative.

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He was 173 at the combine and came in a few weeks later  at his pro day 10 lbs heavier.  Was it water weight knowing it's a concern for a lot of teams?  Looks like he put on some weight real quick because of those concerns.

https://walterfootball.com/nfl-hot-press...ncerns.php

I think you got Wiggins mixed up with Kool-Aid.  Kool-Aid is the aggressive in your face corner.  Wiggins is not a good tackler

Zero concerns about size. Ideal height and you are crying about 10 pounds here or there. Give me a break. NFL strength & conditioning programs handle all that.

The All 22 film I have watched shows him being an aggressive tackler. His coverage skills are beyond elite. Of the two I want my CBs to be elite in coverage. Saying he can't tackle sounds like someone who never saw him play. Just reading random profiles that you think fit your narrative.

Mia Obrien also said when we interviewed him at the combine that it didn't go well.  No idea what that means but I've never heard that from us  interviewing a player at the combine before.  It was very odd.  He also knew nothing about 2 Clemson legends because he didn't go there at the time.  I agree that he has very good coverage skills but there is much more to it than that.

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Zero concerns about size. Ideal height and you are crying about 10 pounds here or there. Give me a break. NFL strength & conditioning programs handle all that.

The All 22 film I have watched shows him being an aggressive tackler. His coverage skills are beyond elite. Of the two I want my CBs to be elite in coverage. Saying he can't tackle sounds like someone who never saw him play. Just reading random profiles that you think fit your narrative.

Mia Obrien also said when we interviewed him at the combine that it didn't go well.  No idea what that means but I've never heard that from us  interviewing a player at the combine before.  It was very odd.  He also knew nothing about 2 Clemson legends because he didn't go there at the time.  I agree that he has very good coverage skills but there is much more to it than that.

Mia O'Brien has zero to do with the teams interview process at the combine. And teams don't tip their hand on who they liked or didn't like in interviews. Whatever you are trying to create there...quit while you are behind.

She was at a presser with Wiggins and asked him about Trevor. These Jag beat reporters want everyone to gush about Trevor. Nice to see that Nate couldn't care less about Trevor. That is being real. Sorry you are butthurt he didn't say: "Trevor is just the bestest QB ever."

Not really concerned about ANYTHING Mia O'Brien says. Too funny.

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Mia Obrien also said when we interviewed him at the combine that it didn't go well.  No idea what that means but I've never heard that from us  interviewing a player at the combine before.  It was very odd.  He also knew nothing about 2 Clemson legends because he didn't go there at the time.  I agree that he has very good coverage skills but there is much more to it than that.

Mia O'Brien has zero to do with the teams interview process at the combine. And teams don't tip their hand on who they liked or didn't like in interviews. Whatever you are trying to create there...quit while you are behind.

She was at a presser with Wiggins and asked him about Trevor. These Jag beat reporters want everyone to gush about Trevor. Nice to see that Nate couldn't care less about Trevor. That is being real. Sorry you are butthurt he didn't say: "Trevor is just the bestest QB ever."

Not really concerned about ANYTHING Mia O'Brien says. Too funny.

I'm not creating anything, you act like you know him personally when you dont have a clue. You are butthurt by this when I'm going by what's been reported.  I highly doubt everyone has been making this stuff up just to hurt Wiggins value and Mia talks to members in the office.  Hopefully the Packers get him.

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Mia O'Brien has zero to do with the teams interview process at the combine. And teams don't tip their hand on who they liked or didn't like in interviews. Whatever you are trying to create there...quit while you are behind.

She was at a presser with Wiggins and asked him about Trevor. These Jag beat reporters want everyone to gush about Trevor. Nice to see that Nate couldn't care less about Trevor. That is being real. Sorry you are butthurt he didn't say: "Trevor is just the bestest QB ever."

Not really concerned about ANYTHING Mia O'Brien says. Too funny.

Mia talks to members in the office.  Hopefully the Packers get him.

Again, Mia O'Brien is a know nothing beat reporter. What she says about anything is irrelevant. If she is where you get your info on players from, then I can see why you are lost on many draft prospects.

I have said all along that I don't think the Packers are going CB in the first round. That doesn't mean Wiggins isn't a great CB. I don't base my feelings on players just off who I feel the Packers will draft.

Wiggins will have a nice NFL career for some team. In my humble opinion he is the best CB in this class. I don't care what most "draft experts" think. I go off the tape. And Wiggins is above Mitchell, Arnold, and Rakestraw. Those 4 are the top CBs in my opinion. DeJean I would move to safety.

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I think the biggest criticism is absolutely the value of taking koolaid at 17. First, you're probably passing on CB who are better; Second, you're probably leaving a WHOLE bunch of better guys at other positions on the board; third, you can probably trade back and get some extra picks if koolaid is your target.

Now if we slid to the mid-20s or later and landed him? A lot of the heartburn goes away.

I don't think Arnold or Wiggins are better corners than Kool-Aid for this defense. I'd probably take Mitchell and DeJean over McKinstry but they are all close.   In Nielsen's defense it wouldn't be a stretch if they have McKinstry as the their top corner in this draft.  I think injury was the only question but being that its minor and reported that he will be ready by mini camp I could see a team ahead of us taking him like the Colts.  He would be good value at 17 depending on how he draft falls.  If Bowers or Verse is there you have to take either of those imo though

oh man if someone grabs koolaid before 17 that's a win for us. I think you can get him in the 20-25 range without a challenge. They're leaving plenty on the board for us to choose from.

Heck if he's there at 17 and someone wants to buy the spot from us, you gotta entertain that offer. Your post itself supports the claim that there are many viable CB in this darft, and a number of them would be good fits in our D. Get that value!

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RD1 - Cooper DeJean - CB
RD2 - Jer'Zhan Newton - DT
RD3 - Cooper Beebe - OG
RD4 - Mike Sainristil - CB
RD4 - Javon Baker - WR
RD5 - Matt Lee - C
RD6 - Jadon Janke - WR
RD7 - Jordan Jefferson - DT 

Not sure Sainristil will be there in theth, but let's hope   

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RD1 - Cooper DeJean - CB
RD2 - Jer'Zhan Newton - DT
RD3 - Cooper Beebe - OG
RD4 - Mike Sainristil - CB
RD4 - Javon Baker - WR
RD5 - Matt Lee - C
RD6 - Jadon Janke - WR
RD7 - Jordan Jefferson - DT 

Not sure Sainristil will be there in theth, but let's hope   

The Newton and Sainristil picks would be highway robbery! If Newton or Murphy somehow make it past round 1, I'd seriously consider making a trade offer to move up and get them. Both those guys will be very good pass rushers from the inside and the Jaguars could definitely use another one even though they signed Armstead.

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Zero concerns about size. Ideal height and you are crying about 10 pounds here or there. Give me a break. NFL strength & conditioning programs handle all that.

The All 22 film I have watched shows him being an aggressive tackler. His coverage skills are beyond elite. Of the two I want my CBs to be elite in coverage. Saying he can't tackle sounds like someone who never saw him play. Just reading random profiles that you think fit your narrative.

Mia Obrien also said when we interviewed him at the combine that it didn't go well.  No idea what that means but I've never heard that from us  interviewing a player at the combine before.  It was very odd.  He also knew nothing about 2 Clemson legends because he didn't go there at the time.  I agree that he has very good coverage skills but there is much more to it than that.

 
There's no way he doesn't know those two guys. Their pictures are plastered in the locker rooms/facilities/stadium. He probably didn't understand the question or want to disrespect GA legend Deshaun Watson or CJ Spiller who is now on the staff as RB Coach who people consider the GOATs if not Etienne/TL. Not sure but 0 chance he doesn't know them. 

The Jags DB coach ran the DB drills for Wiggins at Clemson's pro day. The Jags also just brought him in for a pre draft visit to Jacksonville. That report has got to be inaccurate though not sure what it said. The Jags are definitely interested

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I'd love this draft

https://www.nfl.com/news/gennaro-filice-...to-round-1

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I'd love this draft

https://www.nfl.com/news/gennaro-filice-...to-round-1

If the Jaguars are able to land Mitchell at pick 17, it would be a great pick. However, I'm not giving up a second rounder to do this. Maybe I'd do it by giving up the 3rd round compensatory pick, but only if they feel he's significantly better than Wiggins, Arnold and DeJean. In this particular mock, I would have been happy to select Verse or Thomas in round 1 and take the cornerback in round 2. The combination of Verse or Thomas plus someone like Rakestraw in the 2nd is preferable to getting just Mitchell, in my opinion.

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I'd love this draft

https://www.nfl.com/news/gennaro-filice-...to-round-1

If the Jaguars are able to land Mitchell at pick 17, it would be a great pick. However, I'm not giving up a second rounder to do this. Maybe I'd do it by giving up the 3rd round compensatory pick, but only if they feel he's significantly better than Wiggins, Arnold and DeJean. In this particular mock, I would have been happy to select Verse or Thomas in round 1 and take the cornerback in round 2. The combination of Verse or Thomas plus someone like Rakestraw in the 2nd is preferable to getting just Mitchell, in my opinion.

Yeah I missed that.  I wouldn't do it for a 2nd either.  I see it now.  I'd do the 3rd like you said but I'm not giving up a 2nd for anyone outside of MHJ and Alt. That's the 2 best players in the draft imo

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Is there any way we could get KoolAid or DeJean and Johnny Newton or Byron Murphy? Any chance one of the 3 falls to the 2nd and trade up from 48? I think that would be the best case possible realistic scenario in this draft. A great DT and a shutdown corner

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Anyone know if Newton is going to have a private workout? If not he might fall

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