It's not like I am not paying attention to the NFL. What I am NOT watching is talking head type shows like Rich Eisen. Everything discussed there is to attract viewers and clicks. Speculation and misinformation should not be "interesting" to anyone. None of it is news worthy.

I am not knocking you for talking about it, but I am suggesting to all who watch those shows, or pay attention to cats that are not even actual media, like Mike Florio, are wasting their time.

No more than we are wasting our time posting on this message board.  It's all just entertainment.  Are you doing anything productive at this moment?  You're pretty much wasting your time right now, aren't you?

BLASPHEMY! I am working to store up my reputation points so I can cash them in at retirement and live the life of luxury.

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I believe he can win it all

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I believe he can win it all

With A LOT of help, yeah. He is no Brady, Manning or Mahomes, not even close. He is not even top 5 QB right now, for a lot of people he is not even top 10.

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I am a fan, not a cheerleader.

I believe he can win it all

With A LOT of help, yeah. He is no Brady, Manning or Mahomes, not even close. He is not even top 5 QB right now, for a lot of people he is not even top 10.

And a lot of people are wrong. There are only two quarterbacks that are for sure better: Mahomes and Allen. Trevor is in the group clustered behind those two tiers. People have anointed Hurts, Stroud, and Love based on 1 season or 1/2 half season apiece. Lamar is a great talent, but is not clutch. They’re already anointing Caleb. But that’s okay. If…IF our O line doesn’t suck donkey balls this year like it normally does, Trevor will show out. Better to be the disrespected underdog.


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Fix the O-Line!

With A LOT of help, yeah. He is no Brady, Manning or Mahomes, not even close. He is not even top 5 QB right now, for a lot of people he is not even top 10.

And a lot of people are wrong. There are only two quarterbacks that are for sure better: Mahomes and Allen. Trevor is in the group clustered behind those two tiers. People have anointed Hurts, Stroud, and Love based on 1 season or 1/2 half season apiece. Lamar is a great talent, but is not clutch. They’re already anointing Caleb. But that’s okay. If…IF our O line doesn’t suck donkey balls this year like it normally does, Trevor will show out. Better to be the disrespected underdog.


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Put any of those guys behind this line last year and likely only Lamar has any greater success.

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I believe he can win it all

With A LOT of help, yeah. He is no Brady, Manning or Mahomes, not even close. He is not even top 5 QB right now, for a lot of people he is not even top 10.

You need to take fivehead out of that group. Dude by far couldn't win it on his shoulders alone, whether you are talking about Indy or Denver.

@....or were you talking about Eli@

(he needed help, too)

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And a lot of people are wrong. There are only two quarterbacks that are for sure better: Mahomes and Allen. Trevor is in the group clustered behind those two tiers. People have anointed Hurts, Stroud, and Love based on 1 season or 1/2 half season apiece. Lamar is a great talent, but is not clutch. They’re already anointing Caleb. But that’s okay. If…IF our O line doesn’t suck donkey balls this year like it normally does, Trevor will show out. Better to be the disrespected underdog.


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Put any of those guys behind this line last year and likely only Lamar has any greater success.

Hehe, you should be used to the first pick being anointed!  

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Can we leave the personal insults behind for a while and get back to some semblance of topic, gents?
Please, and thank you.

With A LOT of help, yeah. He is no Brady, Manning or Mahomes, not even close. He is not even top 5 QB right now, for a lot of people he is not even top 10.

And a lot of people are wrong. There are only two quarterbacks that are for sure better: Mahomes and Allen. Trevor is in the group clustered behind those two tiers. People have anointed Hurts, Stroud, and Love based on 1 season or 1/2 half season apiece. Lamar is a great talent, but is not clutch. They’re already anointing Caleb. But that’s okay. If…IF our O line doesn’t suck donkey balls this year like it normally does, Trevor will show out. Better to be the disrespected underdog.


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I'll give Joey B the nod over TLaw. Joey's biggest knock are the injuries. He's got the same issue TLaw has had, crepe paper lines.

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And a lot of people are wrong. There are only two quarterbacks that are for sure better: Mahomes and Allen. Trevor is in the group clustered behind those two tiers. People have anointed Hurts, Stroud, and Love based on 1 season or 1/2 half season apiece. Lamar is a great talent, but is not clutch. They’re already anointing Caleb. But that’s okay. If…IF our O line doesn’t suck donkey balls this year like it normally does, Trevor will show out. Better to be the disrespected underdog.


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Put any of those guys behind this line last year and likely only Lamar has any greater success.

Doubtful. Lamar is the most overrated QB in the NFL right now in my opinion. His arm talent doesn't show up in clutch moments. He's made plenty of disappointing play off appearances now in his career and he's always a glass cannon waiting to break when he doesn't protect himself in the running game. 

They rely heavily on the ground game to keep him afloat and they have an impressive defense as well. In my opinion, he's the modern version of Donovan McNabb, just A LOT faster. Just doesn't show any big time moments in the most important games. Once he's tasked with going toe-to-toe with the upper echelon of QB's, he flatlines.

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And a lot of people are wrong. There are only two quarterbacks that are for sure better: Mahomes and Allen. Trevor is in the group clustered behind those two tiers. People have anointed Hurts, Stroud, and Love based on 1 season or 1/2 half season apiece. Lamar is a great talent, but is not clutch. They’re already anointing Caleb. But that’s okay. If…IF our O line doesn’t suck donkey balls this year like it normally does, Trevor will show out. Better to be the disrespected underdog.


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I'll give Joey B the nod over TLaw. Joey's biggest knock are the injuries. He's got the same issue TLaw has had, crepe paper lines.

I like Lawrence. With that said, there's at least five Quarterbacks I would take over him at the moment, especially for the 2024 season:

1. Patrick Mahomes
2. Joe Burrow
3. Josh Allen
4. Matthew Stafford
5. Jared Goff

This is right now. Long term, of course I am taking Lawrence over Stafford and Goff. However, if I wanted to do a little bit more right now? I honestly feel like Stafford and Goff offer a little bit more. I think Hurts and Jackson are gimmicky. System reliant with their legs. I question both of their arm talent and decision making. 

I think Stroud honestly has better arm talent than those two. As well as Love. Would take Stroud and Love over Hurts and Jackson. With these five I listed above though? I feel like you can win on any given gameday and you have a shot at making a run in the post season. As they all have proven they can get you there at least and have been consistent for the past few years. 

I think Lawrence should be lumped in with guys like Stroud and Love personally. As those three in my opinion have somewhat similar traits and QB makeup. That's the group I look forward to the most this year as just a football fan in general. Lawrence, Stroud and Love can separate themselves further in 2024 and elevate above some of these other guys that get too much attention. 

Such as Hurts. Such as Jackson.

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Just saw Lawrence and his miss's are expecting their first one on the way. Hell yeah! That's our QB! Made TWO big deposits this off season.

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I'll give Joey B the nod over TLaw. Joey's biggest knock are the injuries. He's got the same issue TLaw has had, crepe paper lines.

I like Lawrence. With that said, there's at least five Quarterbacks I would take over him at the moment, especially for the 2024 season:

1. Patrick Mahomes
2. Joe Burrow
3. Josh Allen
4. Matthew Stafford
5. Jared Goff

This is right now. Long term, of course I am taking Lawrence over Stafford and Goff. However, if I wanted to do a little bit more right now? I honestly feel like Stafford and Goff offer a little bit more. I think Hurts and Jackson are gimmicky. System reliant with their legs. I question both of their arm talent and decision making. 

I think Stroud honestly has better arm talent than those two. As well as Love. Would take Stroud and Love over Hurts and Jackson. With these five I listed above though? I feel like you can win on any given gameday and you have a shot at making a run in the post season. As they all have proven they can get you there at least and have been consistent for the past few years. 

I think Lawrence should be lumped in with guys like Stroud and Love personally. As those three in my opinion have somewhat similar traits and QB makeup. That's the group I look forward to the most this year as just a football fan in general. Lawrence, Stroud and Love can separate themselves further in 2024 and elevate above some of these other guys that get too much attention. 

Such as Hurts. Such as Jackson.

I'm with you on a lot of things, but oof on Stafford or Goff over Lawrence for 2024.  This seems like trying to not sound like a homer for the sake of trying to not sound like a homer.  

Lawrence was balling last season on passing efficiency and would have had a much more well regarded season had his numbers after the ankle injury been on par with the numbers before the ankle injury.  Stafford is serviceable but is nearing the end.  I'll be interested to see if LA decides to guarantee money for him into next season like he's asking for.  He may get a bone thrown his way and he could still play next season with those weapons and good protection, but the end is nigh regardless.  Goff has proven to be above average, but I'm not taking him over Lawrence in 2024 or ever.

You have to erase year 1 and erase the games after the ankle injury to get true expectations for 2024 assuming IOL is significantly better than it was.  Also, the series of games (tacks, tinhorns, bungals) leading up to the ankle injury which followed the 49ers game where our OL got exposed badly, Lawrence was on fire aside from 1 gifted INT to the tinhorns by the officials.  He was Herbert with better running ability during the stretch starting from the beginning of year 2 up to the ankle injury and he was on another level those last 3 games including the injury game meaning he was ascending.  That's the true jumping off point for 2024.

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I like Lawrence. With that said, there's at least five Quarterbacks I would take over him at the moment, especially for the 2024 season:

1. Patrick Mahomes
2. Joe Burrow
3. Josh Allen
4. Matthew Stafford
5. Jared Goff

This is right now. Long term, of course I am taking Lawrence over Stafford and Goff. However, if I wanted to do a little bit more right now? I honestly feel like Stafford and Goff offer a little bit more. I think Hurts and Jackson are gimmicky. System reliant with their legs. I question both of their arm talent and decision making. 

I think Stroud honestly has better arm talent than those two. As well as Love. Would take Stroud and Love over Hurts and Jackson. With these five I listed above though? I feel like you can win on any given gameday and you have a shot at making a run in the post season. As they all have proven they can get you there at least and have been consistent for the past few years. 

I think Lawrence should be lumped in with guys like Stroud and Love personally. As those three in my opinion have somewhat similar traits and QB makeup. That's the group I look forward to the most this year as just a football fan in general. Lawrence, Stroud and Love can separate themselves further in 2024 and elevate above some of these other guys that get too much attention. 

Such as Hurts. Such as Jackson.

I'm with you on a lot of things, but oof on Stafford or Goff over Lawrence for 2024.  This seems like trying to not sound like a homer for the sake of trying to not sound like a homer.  

Lawrence was balling last season on passing efficiency and would have had a much more well regarded season had his numbers after the ankle injury been on par with the numbers before the ankle injury.  Stafford is serviceable but is nearing the end.  I'll be interested to see if LA decides to guarantee money for him into next season like he's asking for.  He may get a bone thrown his way and he could still play next season with those weapons and good protection, but the end is nigh regardless.  Goff has proven to be above average, but I'm not taking him over Lawrence in 2024 or ever.

You have to erase year 1 and erase the games after the ankle injury to get true expectations for 2024 assuming IOL is significantly better than it was.  Also, the series of games (tacks, tinhorns, bungals) following the 49ers where our OL got exposed badly leading up to the ankle injury, Lawrence was on fire aside from 1 gifted INT to the tinhorns by the officials.  He was Herbert with better running ability during the stretch starting from the beginning of year 2 up to the ankle injury and he was on another level those last 3 games including the injury game meaning he was ascending.  That's the true jumping off point for 2024.

Nope. I will stand on business here. Goff has helped turn Detroit around over the last two years. Had it not been for some questionable coaching decisions in the NFC Championship game, there's a good chance they would go onto beat Kansas City in the Superbowl in my opinion. 

Goff has had a number of quality seasons to his name, not just in Detroit recently, but as well as in Los Angeles. Including the Superbowl appearance and loss to the Patriots. Stafford still has a strong arm, he's a great veteran, he's won the Superbowl. I think two years ago nobody would question my statement. 

People forget he threw for 41 TD's that year they won the Superbowl. They went 9 - 3 with him last year and he's had some injuries catch up to him over the last two years. 

And, as I cited off the giddy up, it's just for 2024. Not beyond. Especially with Goff hitting 30 years of age this year and then Stafford, like you said, nearing the end of his career. I think both guys are leading teams right now that are play-off caliber and potentially even Superbowl bound if things go their way. 

Lawrence has to get his turnovers under control. He'll have his opportunity in 2024 to do that as a fourth year Quarterback. I am confident he's the 2nd half of 2022 and 1st half of 2023 QB that's barely scratched the surface. With a little more competency around him, which, again, the rest of the guys ranked higher than him clearly have or have had, he'll be just fine and contesting for top three, four QB consideration in the entirety of the NFL.

Just not quite ready to throw him into that echelon yet. Need to see it first. That's why I lumped him in with Stroud and Love. As it stands, they only have one play off appearance to their names and they could go either way in 2024 in my opinion. You either see them take a big step forward towards translating elite traits into elite statistics and moments, or, they remain relatively static or fall backwards a bit.

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Mahomes is the only one id take over Trevor

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Mahomes is the only one id take over Trevor

That's where I'm at.  I have more questions about everyone else's game than I do Trevor's except for Mahomes.  Either I need to see more (Stroud, Love) or they crumble in the playoffs (Lamar, Herbert) or a big part of their scheme retired last year (Hurts with Kelce retiring) or they're made of glass (Joe Burrow) or they just lost good quality receivers and a ton of receptions in free agency (Allen, Herbert) and I need to see them do it again throwing to new faces.  And on Allen specifically, he throws a lot of his deep balls up for grabs (ala Bortles) and has fortunately had the guys that go up and get it, but I could see his INTs shoot way up if he plays like that and the receiver isn't able to bail him out.  

Outside of Lamar's playoff woes (which is significant) he's been elite the past couple of years and I have no question about his game during the regular season and I guess I would extend the same to Herbert but I wouldn't use the word elite for him.  He's been very good in the regular season.  Lamar's pocket presence and awareness and his shiftiness in bouncing away from harm and then delivering the ball downfield has been something to watch.  I'm remembering specifically their game against us and how many times I thought we were about to get to him and he'd bounce to the other side of the pocket effortlessly while keeping his eyes downfield the whole time and deliver a strike. Maddening.

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Trevor's having a baby! Trevor's having a BABY!!!

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Just saw Lawrence and his miss's are expecting their first one on the way. Hell yeah! That's our QB! Made TWO big deposits this off season.

so we make like when they got married and everyone in Duval buy them a ton of diapers?

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I'm with you on a lot of things, but oof on Stafford or Goff over Lawrence for 2024.  This seems like trying to not sound like a homer for the sake of trying to not sound like a homer.  

Lawrence was balling last season on passing efficiency and would have had a much more well regarded season had his numbers after the ankle injury been on par with the numbers before the ankle injury.  Stafford is serviceable but is nearing the end.  I'll be interested to see if LA decides to guarantee money for him into next season like he's asking for.  He may get a bone thrown his way and he could still play next season with those weapons and good protection, but the end is nigh regardless.  Goff has proven to be above average, but I'm not taking him over Lawrence in 2024 or ever.

You have to erase year 1 and erase the games after the ankle injury to get true expectations for 2024 assuming IOL is significantly better than it was.  Also, the series of games (tacks, tinhorns, bungals) following the 49ers where our OL got exposed badly leading up to the ankle injury, Lawrence was on fire aside from 1 gifted INT to the tinhorns by the officials.  He was Herbert with better running ability during the stretch starting from the beginning of year 2 up to the ankle injury and he was on another level those last 3 games including the injury game meaning he was ascending.  That's the true jumping off point for 2024.

Nope. I will stand on business here. Goff has helped turn Detroit around over the last two years. Had it not been for some questionable coaching decisions in the NFC Championship game, there's a good chance they would go onto beat Kansas City in the Superbowl in my opinion. 

Goff has had a number of quality seasons to his name, not just in Detroit recently, but as well as in Los Angeles. Including the Superbowl appearance and loss to the Patriots. Stafford still has a strong arm, he's a great veteran, he's won the Superbowl. I think two years ago nobody would question my statement. 

People forget he threw for 41 TD's that year they won the Superbowl. They went 9 - 3 with him last year and he's had some injuries catch up to him over the last two years. 

And, as I cited off the giddy up, it's just for 2024. Not beyond. Especially with Goff hitting 30 years of age this year and then Stafford, like you said, nearing the end of his career. I think both guys are leading teams right now that are play-off caliber and potentially even Superbowl bound if things go their way. 

Lawrence has to get his turnovers under control. He'll have his opportunity in 2024 to do that as a fourth year Quarterback. I am confident he's the 2nd half of 2022 and 1st half of 2023 QB that's barely scratched the surface. With a little more competency around him, which, again, the rest of the guys ranked higher than him clearly have or have had, he'll be just fine and contesting for top three, four QB consideration in the entirety of the NFL.

Just not quite ready to throw him into that echelon yet. Need to see it first. That's why I lumped him in with Stroud and Love. As it stands, they only have one play off appearance to their names and they could go either way in 2024 in my opinion. You either see them take a big step forward towards translating elite traits into elite statistics and moments, or, they remain relatively static or fall backwards a bit.

Goff was a slow developer, but he's in a great spot now. I've never been able to get past how he wilted once the Pats discovered he couldn't figure things out (MUCH earlier in his career mind you) once the in-helmet comms went silent. I still have a hard time acknowledging that he's competent, but you can't deny that he's getting the job done with the loins.

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Mahomes is the only one id take over Trevor

That's where I'm at.

I think Mahomes is a systems QB, he hasn't done anything without Andy Reid or Kelce.  There's a reason TLaw is the highest paid QB!

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Can we leave the personal insults behind for a while and get back to some semblance of topic, gents?
Please, and thank you.

Just saw Lawrence and his miss's are expecting their first one on the way. Hell yeah! That's our QB! Made TWO big deposits this off season.

so we make like when they got married and everyone in Duval buy them a ton of diapers?

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Nope. I will stand on business here. Goff has helped turn Detroit around over the last two years. Had it not been for some questionable coaching decisions in the NFC Championship game, there's a good chance they would go onto beat Kansas City in the Superbowl in my opinion. 

Goff has had a number of quality seasons to his name, not just in Detroit recently, but as well as in Los Angeles. Including the Superbowl appearance and loss to the Patriots. Stafford still has a strong arm, he's a great veteran, he's won the Superbowl. I think two years ago nobody would question my statement. 

People forget he threw for 41 TD's that year they won the Superbowl. They went 9 - 3 with him last year and he's had some injuries catch up to him over the last two years. 

And, as I cited off the giddy up, it's just for 2024. Not beyond. Especially with Goff hitting 30 years of age this year and then Stafford, like you said, nearing the end of his career. I think both guys are leading teams right now that are play-off caliber and potentially even Superbowl bound if things go their way. 

Lawrence has to get his turnovers under control. He'll have his opportunity in 2024 to do that as a fourth year Quarterback. I am confident he's the 2nd half of 2022 and 1st half of 2023 QB that's barely scratched the surface. With a little more competency around him, which, again, the rest of the guys ranked higher than him clearly have or have had, he'll be just fine and contesting for top three, four QB consideration in the entirety of the NFL.

Just not quite ready to throw him into that echelon yet. Need to see it first. That's why I lumped him in with Stroud and Love. As it stands, they only have one play off appearance to their names and they could go either way in 2024 in my opinion. You either see them take a big step forward towards translating elite traits into elite statistics and moments, or, they remain relatively static or fall backwards a bit.

Goff was a slow developer, but he's in a great spot now. I've never been able to get past how he wilted once the Pats discovered he couldn't figure things out (MUCH earlier in his career mind you) once the in-helmet comms went silent. I still have a hard time acknowledging that he's competent, but you can't deny that he's getting the job done with the loins.

Not sure I agree with Goff being a slow developer. Went 0 - 7 as a rookie and then immediately saw a different QB in years two and three with back-to-back Pro Bowl appearances, winning seasons and stats to back it.

All within a relatively difficult NFC West to compete in. I think Goff is underrated.

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