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Agenda 47 vs Harris plan

#1

Trump has his blueprint layed out that I fully support. This should give Americans better and more job opportunities, force employers to bring up wages to a liveable level, and make the dollar stronger.

I am a little obtuse so please help me out. What is Harris plans?

Also what do you disagree with in agenda 47?

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(08-03-2024, 11:55 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: Trump has his blueprint layed out that I fully support. This should give Americans better and more job opportunities, force employers to bring up wages to a liveable level, and make the dollar stronger.

I am a little obtuse so please help me out. What is Harris plans?

Also what do you disagree with in agenda 47?

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1) Abortion rights
2) LGBTQ++ rights

Other than that, it's the typical big government, tax and spend agenda that the liberals have been running on forever.
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(08-03-2024, 11:55 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: Trump has his blueprint layed out that I fully support. This should give Americans better and more job opportunities, force employers to bring up wages to a liveable level, and make the dollar stronger.

I am a little obtuse so please help me out. What is Harris plans?

Also what do you disagree with in agenda 47?

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Which part will bring wages to a liveable level?
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(08-04-2024, 11:50 AM)mikesez Wrote:
(08-03-2024, 11:55 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: Trump has his blueprint layed out that I fully support. This should give Americans better and more job opportunities, force employers to bring up wages to a liveable level, and make the dollar stronger.

I am a little obtuse so please help me out. What is Harris plans?

Also what do you disagree with in agenda 47?

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/platform

Which part will bring wages to a liveable level?
Why do you need to raise wages? If you keep increasing wages, nothing actually comes down and you just keep increasing inflation. Keep prices where they are, tax imports, and make companies make things in the USA.

When Chinese crap costs too much, then companies have a choice. Get it from the USA or price themselves out. Increasing wages will just lead to more people being fired, more automation, and higher costs for everything.

Lower minimum wage to $1, companies expand like wildfire in the USA, prices fall, etc. The rest of the world either does the same or no one buys from them.

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#5

I honestly think a lot of today's current economic stagnation is companies digging in their heels in hopes of having actual technology, AI and automation readily available soon to lower costs with physical head counts.

We're never going back to normal. Those days are over.
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(08-04-2024, 04:57 PM)p_rushing Wrote:
(08-04-2024, 11:50 AM)mikesez Wrote: Which part will bring wages to a liveable level?
Why do you need to raise wages? If you keep increasing wages, nothing actually comes down and you just keep increasing inflation. Keep prices where they are, tax imports, and make companies make things in the USA.

When Chinese crap costs too much, then companies have a choice. Get it from the USA or price themselves out. Increasing wages will just lead to more people being fired, more automation, and higher costs for everything.

Lower minimum wage to $1, companies expand like wildfire in the USA, prices fall, etc. The rest of the world either does the same or no one buys from them.

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Keeping prices where they are and taxing imports don't go together.  So many of the things we buy are either imported or the raw materials or parts are imported that if you tax imports, prices will go up.
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(This post was last modified: 08-04-2024, 06:04 PM by OG-JAGFAN. Edited 1 time in total.)

(08-04-2024, 11:50 AM)mikesez Wrote:
(08-03-2024, 11:55 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: Trump has his blueprint layed out that I fully support. This should give Americans better and more job opportunities, force employers to bring up wages to a liveable level, and make the dollar stronger.

I am a little obtuse so please help me out. What is Harris plans?

Also what do you disagree with in agenda 47?

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/platform

Which part will bring wages to a liveable level?

Deportation will have an instant impact in many cities.  The lower wage gap has been destroyed by all the immigrants.  Employers know they will work for minimum wage so they hire them in all the lower wage jobs.  If the deportation happens there are going to open up the lower wage jobs and to entice Americans they are going to have to pay a little more. It should not be that employees of a company are making minimum wage while the CEO's are racking in 7, 8, or even 9 figure incomes.   It's ridiculous that back in the 60's a man could support his entire family on a factory job. Corporate greed has taken over and no doubt many large corporations are taking advantage of this immigrant situation.  I work part time in a thrift store for my second Job and in the last year the staff has transformed into about 80% Hispanic.  The restaurants and even the local Walmarts in my area are the same.  It isn't the fact that these companies cannot afford to pay their workers a decent wage, it's that corporate greed has taken over and only the few in any company make the real money.  In many states you do not even need a valid ID to get a job now and that was unheard of 5 years ago.
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(08-04-2024, 05:38 PM)The Real Marty Wrote:
(08-04-2024, 04:57 PM)p_rushing Wrote: Why do you need to raise wages? If you keep increasing wages, nothing actually comes down and you just keep increasing inflation. Keep prices where they are, tax imports, and make companies make things in the USA.

When Chinese crap costs too much, then companies have a choice. Get it from the USA or price themselves out. Increasing wages will just lead to more people being fired, more automation, and higher costs for everything.

Lower minimum wage to $1, companies expand like wildfire in the USA, prices fall, etc. The rest of the world either does the same or no one buys from them.

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Keeping prices where they are and taxing imports don't go together.  So many of the things we buy are either imported or the raw materials or parts are imported that if you tax imports, prices will go up.

Prices only go up if you are willing to pay it.

Imports have to be reset. There has to be a balance but majority of the stuff doesn't need to come from China. Taxing imports is to drive companies to manufacture in the USA. You don't tax the raw materials, unless those are undercutting USA materials. If you want to buy the same materials China buys, buy them and just manufacture here. No increases needed.

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(This post was last modified: 08-04-2024, 10:46 PM by mikesez.)

(08-04-2024, 09:22 PM)p_rushing Wrote:
(08-04-2024, 05:38 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: Keeping prices where they are and taxing imports don't go together.  So many of the things we buy are either imported or the raw materials or parts are imported that if you tax imports, prices will go up.

Prices only go up if you are willing to pay it.

Imports have to be reset. There has to be a balance but majority of the stuff doesn't need to come from China. Taxing imports is to drive companies to manufacture in the USA. You don't tax the raw materials, unless those are undercutting USA materials. If you want to buy the same materials China buys, buy them and just manufacture here. No increases needed.

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The companies would already manufacture in the USA if the cost of labor here was lower.  You have everything backwards.

(08-04-2024, 06:03 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote:
(08-04-2024, 11:50 AM)mikesez Wrote: Which part will bring wages to a liveable level?

Deportation will have an instant impact in many cities.  The lower wage gap has been destroyed by all the immigrants.  Employers know they will work for minimum wage so they hire them in all the lower wage jobs.  If the deportation happens there are going to open up the lower wage jobs and to entice Americans they are going to have to pay a little more. It should not be that employees of a company are making minimum wage while the CEO's are racking in 7, 8, or even 9 figure incomes.   It's ridiculous that back in the 60's a man could support his entire family on a factory job. Corporate greed has taken over and no doubt many large corporations are taking advantage of this immigrant situation.  I work part time in a thrift store for my second Job and in the last year the staff has transformed into about 80% Hispanic.  The restaurants and even the local Walmarts in my area are the same.  It isn't the fact that these companies cannot afford to pay their workers a decent wage, it's that corporate greed has taken over and only the few in any company make the real money.  In many states you do not even need a valid ID to get a job now and that was unheard of 5 years ago.

This one is plausible.  You're closer to the point.

Many agree that too many people in the US have wages that aren't "livable".  Either those wages have to go up or the cost of living has to come down.  Your solution plausibly reduces the supply of labor, driving wages up, while also reducing the demand for housing, driving the cost of living down.

I don't favor that though.  The best bet, to me, is simply build more houses.  Smaller, more modest ones.  That will drive the cost of living down and drive wages up and won't force anyone to relocate anywhere.
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(08-04-2024, 10:42 PM)mikesez Wrote:
(08-04-2024, 09:22 PM)p_rushing Wrote: Prices only go up if you are willing to pay it.

Imports have to be reset. There has to be a balance but majority of the stuff doesn't need to come from China. Taxing imports is to drive companies to manufacture in the USA. You don't tax the raw materials, unless those are undercutting USA materials. If you want to buy the same materials China buys, buy them and just manufacture here. No increases needed.

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The companies would already manufacture in the USA if the cost of labor here was lower.  You have everything backwards.

(08-04-2024, 06:03 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: Deportation will have an instant impact in many cities.  The lower wage gap has been destroyed by all the immigrants.  Employers know they will work for minimum wage so they hire them in all the lower wage jobs.  If the deportation happens there are going to open up the lower wage jobs and to entice Americans they are going to have to pay a little more. It should not be that employees of a company are making minimum wage while the CEO's are racking in 7, 8, or even 9 figure incomes.   It's ridiculous that back in the 60's a man could support his entire family on a factory job. Corporate greed has taken over and no doubt many large corporations are taking advantage of this immigrant situation.  I work part time in a thrift store for my second Job and in the last year the staff has transformed into about 80% Hispanic.  The restaurants and even the local Walmarts in my area are the same.  It isn't the fact that these companies cannot afford to pay their workers a decent wage, it's that corporate greed has taken over and only the few in any company make the real money.  In many states you do not even need a valid ID to get a job now and that was unheard of 5 years ago.

This one is plausible.  You're closer to the point.

Many agree that too many people in the US have wages that aren't "livable".  Either those wages have to go up or the cost of living has to come down.  Your solution plausibly reduces the supply of labor, driving wages up, while also reducing the demand for housing, driving the cost of living down.

I don't favor that though.  The best bet, to me, is simply build more houses.  Smaller, more modest ones.  That will drive the cost of living down and drive wages up and won't force anyone to relocate anywhere.
You missed the other stuff.

Labor costs are high to buy all the crap from other places. Lower wages, will lower cost of things, stop all the imports, create tons of jobs that were sent elsewhere, etc.

It will never happen in a global market but cutting wages where it costs less to produce in the US is an answer.

Liberals also don't want to solve the problem because solving the problem may mean you can't afford to buy things from other places and can't afford to travel there.

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(08-04-2024, 11:36 PM)p_rushing Wrote:
(08-04-2024, 10:42 PM)mikesez Wrote: The companies would already manufacture in the USA if the cost of labor here was lower.  You have everything backwards.


This one is plausible.  You're closer to the point.

Many agree that too many people in the US have wages that aren't "livable".  Either those wages have to go up or the cost of living has to come down.  Your solution plausibly reduces the supply of labor, driving wages up, while also reducing the demand for housing, driving the cost of living down.

I don't favor that though.  The best bet, to me, is simply build more houses.  Smaller, more modest ones.  That will drive the cost of living down and drive wages up and won't force anyone to relocate anywhere.
You missed the other stuff.

Labor costs are high to buy all the crap from other places. Lower wages, will lower cost of things, stop all the imports, create tons of jobs that were sent elsewhere, etc.

It will never happen in a global market but cutting wages where it costs less to produce in the US is an answer.

Liberals also don't want to solve the problem because solving the problem may mean you can't afford to buy things from other places and can't afford to travel there.

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Ah so the way to increase wages to a liveable level is to try to reduce wages.OK.
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#12

Trump could release 10,000 different scenarios about his agenda but when he goes on stage everything goes in the in the dumpster fire when he spiels his hatred upon fellow republicans such as Governor Kemp.

Personally, I don't see any benefit of going after the very popular Kemp and distancing himself to moderate republicans and democrats in Georgia.
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(This post was last modified: 08-05-2024, 09:10 AM by StroudCrowd1. Edited 1 time in total.)

(08-05-2024, 08:55 AM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: Trump could release 10,000 different scenarios about his agenda but when he goes on stage everything goes in the in the dumpster fire when he spiels his hatred upon fellow republicans such as Governor Kemp.

Personally, I don't see any benefit of going after the very popular Kemp and distancing himself to moderate republicans and democrats in Georgia.

Kemp turned his head while blatant cheating and election fraud occurred. He is the problem and kissing his dirty ring makes no difference for Trump in GA. [BLEEP] him.
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(This post was last modified: 08-05-2024, 10:01 AM by HURRICANE!!!. Edited 2 times in total.)

(08-05-2024, 09:10 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote:
(08-05-2024, 08:55 AM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: Trump could release 10,000 different scenarios about his agenda but when he goes on stage everything goes in the in the dumpster fire when he spiels his hatred upon fellow republicans such as Governor Kemp.

Personally, I don't see any benefit of going after the very popular Kemp and distancing himself to moderate republicans and democrats in Georgia.

Kemp turned his head while blatant cheating and election fraud occurred. He is the problem and kissing his dirty ring makes no difference for Trump in GA. [BLEEP] him.

This is a political campaign.  Do you really believe Trump ranting against Kemp is really in his best interest to win Georgia and reel in the moderates in key battleground states?  I don't think so.   Why can't he simply state that it's been a battle but now is the time where everyone has to pull together to beat Kamala?  Seems like he's already preparing to lose and contest the results so he's setting the stage to blame Kemp and others ....

Just like OJ.  If you say it enough, soon you will start to believe it.

At this point, I almost wish Trump would have won in 2020.   Right now, we'd be looking at Haley vs ________.
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(08-05-2024, 09:10 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote:
(08-05-2024, 08:55 AM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: Trump could release 10,000 different scenarios about his agenda but when he goes on stage everything goes in the in the dumpster fire when he spiels his hatred upon fellow republicans such as Governor Kemp.

Personally, I don't see any benefit of going after the very popular Kemp and distancing himself to moderate republicans and democrats in Georgia.

Kemp turned his head while blatant cheating and election fraud occurred. He is the problem and kissing his dirty ring makes no difference for Trump in GA. [BLEEP] him.

There is no evidence of this.  Sorry.
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(This post was last modified: 08-05-2024, 11:58 AM by WingerDinger.)

(08-05-2024, 11:50 AM)mikesez Wrote:
(08-05-2024, 09:10 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: Kemp turned his head while blatant cheating and election fraud occurred. He is the problem and kissing his dirty ring makes no difference for Trump in GA. [BLEEP] him.

There is no evidence of this.  Sorry.

Yeah, because there's no evidence of these piece of [BLEEP] rinos trying to pull the rug out from the GOP lololololol
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(08-05-2024, 11:58 AM)WingerDinger Wrote:
(08-05-2024, 11:50 AM)mikesez Wrote: There is no evidence of this.  Sorry.

Yeah, because there's no evidence of these piece of [BLEEP] rinos trying to pull the rug out from the GOP lololololol

To be fair, the polyps probably obscured his view in the only place he looked.
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(08-05-2024, 11:50 AM)mikesez Wrote:
(08-05-2024, 09:10 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: Kemp turned his head while blatant cheating and election fraud occurred. He is the problem and kissing his dirty ring makes no difference for Trump in GA. [BLEEP] him.

There is no evidence of this.  Sorry.
I know you haven't read the latest findings from the senate report in GA but you should read it

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(08-05-2024, 01:11 PM)p_rushing Wrote:
(08-05-2024, 11:50 AM)mikesez Wrote: There is no evidence of this.  Sorry.
I know you haven't read the latest findings from the senate report in GA but you should read it

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Are we still on "Ok, there was cheating but it wasn't enough to matter" excuse?
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(08-05-2024, 01:19 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote:
(08-05-2024, 01:11 PM)p_rushing Wrote: I know you haven't read the latest findings from the senate report in GA but you should read it

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Are we still on "Ok, there was cheating but it wasn't enough to matter" excuse?

Small amounts of cheating happen every election.

It would only change my opinion if there was credible evidence that the cheating was coordinated at high levels by a party, or if a corrupt supervisor of elections was involved in the cheating, or if the total amount of cheating was almost enough to change the outcome. Otherwise it's just a law enforcement issue, not a government legitimacy issue.  Three possible conditions would tip it from "arrest those involved" to "man the barricades.". None of the three existed in 2020.
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