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(08-24-2024, 11:39 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote:
(08-24-2024, 11:29 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: Ever watched anyone die of lung cancer?

Brain cancer.  

I am a huge fan of Trump's right to try policy and would try anything i could get my hands on if were terminal., but a cancer vaccine? Maybe in 50 years, but impossible to put to trust in the same people who pushed the covid "vaccine" on us.

Oh stop. You sound ridiculous. 

Hopefully you're not making healthcare decisions for anyone.
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(08-24-2024, 10:18 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: They didn't kill enough people with their covid jab so some new marketing is in store apparently.

(08-24-2024, 09:50 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: Until they need to figure out aging, they need to be letting some of those old people exit. Watching these aging boomers waste their retirement on staying alive for 4 more years is depressing. There's a hot take for Mikey.

Easy to say until you are the one trying to stay 4 more years, lol. Lots of motivators, mainly grandchildren I'd assume.

Sure, but, right now, at this moment, I know 3 people passed 90 who have almost no mental faculty. They can barely remember their kids most days. They spend a fortune at the hospital, just breathing. They are good people, and I don't WANT them to die, but if it wasn't for modern medicine, they wouldn't be here. It's causing real problems. Wealth isn't being transferred to the next generation. They are tying up medical resources. They are sucking up SS and other US tax dollars. I could go on, but it only makes me look like a monster. 

I hope I get to raise my kids into adulthood and help them with the early years of their children. Then I hope I go fast when the time comes. I don't want to be a strain on my family or society. I will change my mind if and when they figure out how to stop the aging of the body and/or brain.
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(08-24-2024, 12:54 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote:
(08-24-2024, 10:18 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: They didn't kill enough people with their covid jab so some new marketing is in store apparently.


Easy to say until you are the one trying to stay 4 more years, lol. Lots of motivators, mainly grandchildren I'd assume.

Sure, but, right now, at this moment, I know 3 people passed 90 who have almost no mental faculty. They can barely remember their kids most days. They spend a fortune at the hospital, just breathing. They are good people, and I don't WANT them to die, but if it wasn't for modern medicine, they wouldn't be here. It's causing real problems. Wealth isn't being transferred to the next generation. They are tying up medical resources. They are sucking up SS and other US tax dollars. I could go on, but it only makes me look like a monster. 

I hope I get to raise my kids into adulthood and help them with the early years of their children. Then I hope I go fast when the time comes. I don't want to be a strain on my family or society. I will change my mind if and when they figure out how to stop the aging of the body and/or brain.

Dammit, if only all the icebergs hadn't melted.
“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

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(08-24-2024, 12:09 PM)homebiscuit Wrote:
(08-24-2024, 11:39 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: Brain cancer.  

I am a huge fan of Trump's right to try policy and would try anything i could get my hands on if were terminal., but a cancer vaccine? Maybe in 50 years, but impossible to put to trust in the same people who pushed the covid "vaccine" on us.

Oh stop. You sound ridiculous. 

Hopefully you're not making healthcare decisions for anyone.

How's so? The OP mentioned the same technology used to develop a vaccine that didn't work and damaged people's hearts is being used for new vaccines. Pardon me if my lack of trust in the people who developed it and their collusion with the government to force people to take it isnt up to your level of sheep mentality. These "vaccines" will be pushed at birth before they have even been proven or ready.

Right back atcha on the healthcare decision comment.
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(08-24-2024, 01:50 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote:
(08-24-2024, 12:09 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: Oh stop. You sound ridiculous. 

Hopefully you're not making healthcare decisions for anyone.

How's so? The OP mentioned the same technology used to develop a vaccine that didn't work and damaged people's hearts is being used for new vaccines. Pardon me if my lack of trust in the people who developed it and their collusion with the government to force people to take it isnt up to your level of sheep mentality. These "vaccines" will be pushed at birth before they have even been proven or ready.

Right back atcha on the healthcare decision comment.

There you go again.
“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

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(08-24-2024, 01:50 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote:
(08-24-2024, 12:09 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: Oh stop. You sound ridiculous. 

Hopefully you're not making healthcare decisions for anyone.

How's so? The OP mentioned the same technology used to develop a vaccine that didn't work and damaged people's hearts is being used for new vaccines. Pardon me if my lack of trust in the people who developed it and their collusion with the government to force people to take it isnt up to your level of sheep mentality. These "vaccines" will be pushed at birth before they have even been proven or ready.

Right back atcha on the healthcare decision comment.

Just look at the data. It takes a few years, but it all eventually comes out in the wash. Cancer is a pretty well researched field, and the doctors should be relatively able to make good diagnoses. I'm not as worried about the decisions being made for well-established diseases (though the pharmaceutical companies will still pad their pockets if they can, no doubt). It's not like Covid, where everything is made up and the points don't matter. The primary driver of the bad data behind Covid was fear of the unknown. 

I'm all for the ability to trial new drugs if you're at risk of dying.
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Never forget what they did to you.

https://twitter.com/BGatesIsaPyscho/stat...44TZg&s=19
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(08-25-2024, 04:45 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: Never forget what they did to you.

https://twitter.com/BGatesIsaPyscho/stat...44TZg&s=19

Well, a quarter of the population is dumb enough to think that vaccination didn't help...so it makes perfect sense that they had to attempt to speak and incentivize on that level. Vaccination campaigns have always used a mix of education and incentive...again you just found out about something and that recent knowledge skews your entire perception of reality. Your political bent then turns it into maliciousness.
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(08-25-2024, 05:45 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote:
(08-25-2024, 04:45 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: Never forget what they did to you.

https://twitter.com/BGatesIsaPyscho/stat...44TZg&s=19

Well, a quarter of the population is dumb enough to think that vaccination didn't help...so it makes perfect sense that they had to attempt to speak and incentivize on that level. Vaccination campaigns have always used a mix of education and incentive...again you just found out about something and that recent knowledge skews your entire perception of reality. Your political bent then turns it into maliciousness.

Explain to me slowly since I am just a dumb [BLEEP] how that vaccine was better than my natural immunity.
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(08-25-2024, 05:45 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote:
(08-25-2024, 04:45 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: Never forget what they did to you.

https://twitter.com/BGatesIsaPyscho/stat...44TZg&s=19

Well, a quarter of the population is dumb enough to think that vaccination didn't help...so it makes perfect sense that they had to attempt to speak and incentivize on that level. Vaccination campaigns have always used a mix of education and incentive...again you just found out about something and that recent knowledge skews your entire perception of reality. Your political bent then turns it into maliciousness.

Maybe calling it a vaccine in the 1st place is where you went wrong.
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(08-25-2024, 09:04 PM)copycat Wrote:
(08-25-2024, 05:45 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: Well, a quarter of the population is dumb enough to think that vaccination didn't help...so it makes perfect sense that they had to attempt to speak and incentivize on that level. Vaccination campaigns have always used a mix of education and incentive...again you just found out about something and that recent knowledge skews your entire perception of reality. Your political bent then turns it into maliciousness.

Explain to me slowly since I am just a dumb [BLEEP] how that vaccine was better than my natural immunity.

Sure, let me tell you a story to illustrate the point!

 Imagine you live in a town that has no walls but has the greatest construction company and military armory known to man. One day you hear about a zombie horde ravaging the country. This horde is moving from country to country and town to town wreaking havoc and eating people by the thousands. 

You have two options. You can wait until the zombie horde shows up at your town and then activate the builders and military to build a wall around your town. To activate the the resources takes 14 days once the horde enters your town. While the activation happens (crews pulled together, sharpshooters get their gear, construction materials get delivered, etc) the zombies are busy biting everyone in sight making new zombies, some of which stay in town continuing to eat while many others herd up and move off to the next town to start the cycle again. You hope that the town will still be standing in two weeks when the military and construction company get a wall built to keep them out, but by the time they do much of the town is razed to the ground. Your wall and sharpshooters are wonderful and keep future zombie waves out of the town, but inside the walls much damage is already done. Many towns who made this choice didn't survive at all and the many, many new zombies made by their fall keep the zombie crisis going for many more months.  

The other option is to activate your construction company and military before the zombie horde arrived. In some towns they only were able to build a 6 foot wall for the snipers to stand on, other towns were able to build a 10 foot wall. Some towns had walls with holes and some zombies managed to break in and do some damage, but for the most part those towns that prepared fared far better than those towns that did not. Of course there were some accidental injuries and deaths as all construction sites and military maneuvers have, but overwhelmingly (95% in fact) those towns that were prepared not only suffered less damage, they were also able to eliminate almost all of the zombies that did make it through much faster to prevent them from escaping out to start new infections in the countryside. This also helped a lot of towns who didn't have the resources to build a wall or shoot the zombies, since many zombies that would've hurt them were killed by those who could.

In short, natural immunity is wonderful but you don't have it immediately. It takes time for the body to respond so you're contagious longer, have more severe symptoms, and are far more likely to need hospitalization or to outright die than someone who is vaccinated. This little parable doesn't account for viral mutation, but that just speaks to the need to do maintenance on the wall to make sure new zombies can't get in later on.

I hope that helps!

(08-25-2024, 09:11 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote:
(08-25-2024, 05:45 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: Well, a quarter of the population is dumb enough to think that vaccination didn't help...so it makes perfect sense that they had to attempt to speak and incentivize on that level. Vaccination campaigns have always used a mix of education and incentive...again you just found out about something and that recent knowledge skews your entire perception of reality. Your political bent then turns it into maliciousness.

Maybe calling it a vaccine in the 1st place is where you went wrong.

Maybe you apparently not understanding what a vaccine is could be the source of your issues. Also, putting "you" in that sentence infers that "I" did something wrong here, all I've done is try to help you understand why what you believe isn't true. It's not much, but it's honest work.
“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

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(08-26-2024, 08:06 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote:
(08-25-2024, 09:04 PM)copycat Wrote: Explain to me slowly since I am just a dumb [BLEEP] how that vaccine was better than my natural immunity.

Sure, let me tell you a story to illustrate the point!

 Imagine you live in a town that has no walls but has the greatest construction company and military armory known to man. One day you hear about a zombie horde ravaging the country. This horde is moving from country to country and town to town wreaking havoc and eating people by the thousands. 

You have two options. You can wait until the zombie horde shows up at your town and then activate the builders and military to build a wall around your town. To activate the the resources takes 14 days once the horde enters your town. While the activation happens (crews pulled together, sharpshooters get their gear, construction materials get delivered, etc) the zombies are busy biting everyone in sight making new zombies, some of which stay in town continuing to eat while many others herd up and move off to the next town to start the cycle again. You hope that the town will still be standing in two weeks when the military and construction company get a wall built to keep them out, but by the time they do much of the town is razed to the ground. Your wall and sharpshooters are wonderful and keep future zombie waves out of the town, but inside the walls much damage is already done. Many towns who made this choice didn't survive at all and the many, many new zombies made by their fall keep the zombie crisis going for many more months.  

The other option is to activate your construction company and military before the zombie horde arrived. In some towns they only were able to build a 6 foot wall for the snipers to stand on, other towns were able to build a 10 foot wall. Some towns had walls with holes and some zombies managed to break in and do some damage, but for the most part those towns that prepared fared far better than those towns that did not. Of course there were some accidental injuries and deaths as all construction sites and military maneuvers have, but overwhelmingly (95% in fact) those towns that were prepared not only suffered less damage, they were also able to eliminate almost all of the zombies that did make it through much faster to prevent them from escaping out to start new infections in the countryside. This also helped a lot of towns who didn't have the resources to build a wall or shoot the zombies, since many zombies that would've hurt them were killed by those who could.

In short, natural immunity is wonderful but you don't have it immediately. It takes time for the body to respond so you're contagious longer, have more severe symptoms, and are far more likely to need hospitalization or to outright die than someone who is vaccinated. This little parable doesn't account for viral mutation, but that just speaks to the need to do maintenance on the wall to make sure new zombies can't get in later on.

I hope that helps!

(08-25-2024, 09:11 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: Maybe calling it a vaccine in the 1st place is where you went wrong.

Maybe you apparently not understanding what a vaccine is could be the source of your issues. Also, putting "you" in that sentence infers that "I" did something wrong here, all I've done is try to help you understand why what you believe isn't true. It's not much, but it's honest work.

That is all fine and dandy, however I got covid and recovered before there was a vaccine.
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Meh.

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(08-26-2024, 11:40 AM)copycat Wrote:
(08-26-2024, 08:06 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: Sure, let me tell you a story to illustrate the point!

 Imagine you live in a town that has no walls but has the greatest construction company and military armory known to man. One day you hear about a zombie horde ravaging the country. This horde is moving from country to country and town to town wreaking havoc and eating people by the thousands. 

You have two options. You can wait until the zombie horde shows up at your town and then activate the builders and military to build a wall around your town. To activate the the resources takes 14 days once the horde enters your town. While the activation happens (crews pulled together, sharpshooters get their gear, construction materials get delivered, etc) the zombies are busy biting everyone in sight making new zombies, some of which stay in town continuing to eat while many others herd up and move off to the next town to start the cycle again. You hope that the town will still be standing in two weeks when the military and construction company get a wall built to keep them out, but by the time they do much of the town is razed to the ground. Your wall and sharpshooters are wonderful and keep future zombie waves out of the town, but inside the walls much damage is already done. Many towns who made this choice didn't survive at all and the many, many new zombies made by their fall keep the zombie crisis going for many more months.  

The other option is to activate your construction company and military before the zombie horde arrived. In some towns they only were able to build a 6 foot wall for the snipers to stand on, other towns were able to build a 10 foot wall. Some towns had walls with holes and some zombies managed to break in and do some damage, but for the most part those towns that prepared fared far better than those towns that did not. Of course there were some accidental injuries and deaths as all construction sites and military maneuvers have, but overwhelmingly (95% in fact) those towns that were prepared not only suffered less damage, they were also able to eliminate almost all of the zombies that did make it through much faster to prevent them from escaping out to start new infections in the countryside. This also helped a lot of towns who didn't have the resources to build a wall or shoot the zombies, since many zombies that would've hurt them were killed by those who could.

In short, natural immunity is wonderful but you don't have it immediately. It takes time for the body to respond so you're contagious longer, have more severe symptoms, and are far more likely to need hospitalization or to outright die than someone who is vaccinated. This little parable doesn't account for viral mutation, but that just speaks to the need to do maintenance on the wall to make sure new zombies can't get in later on.

I hope that helps!


Maybe you apparently not understanding what a vaccine is could be the source of your issues. Also, putting "you" in that sentence infers that "I" did something wrong here, all I've done is try to help you understand why what you believe isn't true. It's not much, but it's honest work.

That is all fine and dandy, however I got covid and recovered before there was a vaccine.

More people die from the flu than COVID. During the lock downs amazingly there were no flue deaths. According to data collected by the CDC from 2010-2020, the flu caused about 12,000-52,000 deaths annually. The flu caused nine million to 41 million illnesses. All that was lumped into the COVID category.

Next, the COVID shot was not a vaccine.  They actually changed the definition of the word vaccine so it could be sold as that.  It was experimental DNA therapy.  This contributed to the many sometimes fatal side effects.
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(08-26-2024, 11:40 AM)copycat Wrote:
(08-26-2024, 08:06 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: Sure, let me tell you a story to illustrate the point!

 Imagine you live in a town that has no walls but has the greatest construction company and military armory known to man. One day you hear about a zombie horde ravaging the country. This horde is moving from country to country and town to town wreaking havoc and eating people by the thousands. 

You have two options. You can wait until the zombie horde shows up at your town and then activate the builders and military to build a wall around your town. To activate the the resources takes 14 days once the horde enters your town. While the activation happens (crews pulled together, sharpshooters get their gear, construction materials get delivered, etc) the zombies are busy biting everyone in sight making new zombies, some of which stay in town continuing to eat while many others herd up and move off to the next town to start the cycle again. You hope that the town will still be standing in two weeks when the military and construction company get a wall built to keep them out, but by the time they do much of the town is razed to the ground. Your wall and sharpshooters are wonderful and keep future zombie waves out of the town, but inside the walls much damage is already done. Many towns who made this choice didn't survive at all and the many, many new zombies made by their fall keep the zombie crisis going for many more months.  

The other option is to activate your construction company and military before the zombie horde arrived. In some towns they only were able to build a 6 foot wall for the snipers to stand on, other towns were able to build a 10 foot wall. Some towns had walls with holes and some zombies managed to break in and do some damage, but for the most part those towns that prepared fared far better than those towns that did not. Of course there were some accidental injuries and deaths as all construction sites and military maneuvers have, but overwhelmingly (95% in fact) those towns that were prepared not only suffered less damage, they were also able to eliminate almost all of the zombies that did make it through much faster to prevent them from escaping out to start new infections in the countryside. This also helped a lot of towns who didn't have the resources to build a wall or shoot the zombies, since many zombies that would've hurt them were killed by those who could.

In short, natural immunity is wonderful but you don't have it immediately. It takes time for the body to respond so you're contagious longer, have more severe symptoms, and are far more likely to need hospitalization or to outright die than someone who is vaccinated. This little parable doesn't account for viral mutation, but that just speaks to the need to do maintenance on the wall to make sure new zombies can't get in later on.

I hope that helps!


Maybe you apparently not understanding what a vaccine is could be the source of your issues. Also, putting "you" in that sentence infers that "I" did something wrong here, all I've done is try to help you understand why what you believe isn't true. It's not much, but it's honest work.

That is all fine and dandy, however I got covid and recovered before there was a vaccine.

That's wonderful and I'm happy for you!
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(08-26-2024, 01:33 PM)Jag149 Wrote:
(08-26-2024, 11:40 AM)copycat Wrote: That is all fine and dandy, however I got covid and recovered before there was a vaccine.

More people die from the flu than COVID. During the lock downs amazingly there were no flue deaths. According to data collected by the CDC from 2010-2020, the flu caused about 12,000-52,000 deaths annually. The flu caused nine million to 41 million illnesses. All that was lumped into the COVID category.

Next, the COVID shot was not a vaccine.  They actually changed the definition of the word vaccine so it could be sold as that.  It was experimental DNA therapy.  This contributed to the many sometimes fatal side effects.

As usual, the claims made are just misinformation. Here you go, actual facts and discussion with experts. I know, I know...facts and experts are just not to be trusted because liars and quacks say so, but it is what it is.

About the flu, it turns out that precautions against transmission like social distancing and wearing masks actually work. That's because flu is spread by the droplets they were trying to stop from spreading Covid and flu is roughly half as transmissible as Covid. Who knew? Lots of folks actually, but it's nice to see it play out in the real world this way. . It's why the people bashing Fauci's statement that "there was no science behind it" didn't understand that he was saying it wasn't proven for Covid but was the existing playbook for preventing viral transmission. Because most people have a rudimentary or less understanding of epidemiology they make determinations out of ignorance, but perhaps some people will consider masking during future flu seasons and we can continue to reduce the number of cases every year.

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/hsph-i...-pandemic/

As for the definition of words...well, as usual it's politics playing games with people who just don't understand.

https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-976069264061

Just in case you don't wanna read:

Dr. Ryan Langlois, a microbiology and immunology professor at the University of Minnesota, says the CDC’s changes “make total sense,” and add nuance following emerging vaccine developments such as mRNA technology.

“We’ve repurposed this word, vaccination, from 200 plus years ago,” said Langlois, who teaches a course on the history of vaccination. “It’s always difficult when a word is so entrenched but the technology is changing. I think it’s very, very clear that one of the things the CDC is trying to do is to try to update the definition with the updating technology.”

Langlois said the changes also help to make the definition more accurate. He said the word “immunity” can be misleading with any vaccine, as “it’s incredibly rare that that immunity is perfect.”

“Their first definition had protection, and ultimately that’s what a vaccine is supposed to do,” he explained. “Then their second definition used the word ‘to generate immunity’ which is how the protection is derived. But immunity can be a misleading term, because people think if they’re immune it’s all or none. Immunity is not that simple and I think that’s what they tried to do with their third definition. They went back to this protection idea because that’s really what vaccines do.”


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This scumbag belongs behind bars.

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/18...Wibfg&s=19
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(08-26-2024, 08:09 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: This scumbag belongs behind bars.

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/18...Wibfg&s=19
He's got a nice underground bunker in Hawaii.

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He definitely seems to be playing himself up as the victim of mean ol' Biden and his government enforcers.
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(08-26-2024, 09:12 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: He definitely seems to be playing himself up as the victim of mean ol' Biden and his government enforcers.

Carefully crafted letter by lawyers. He is trying to get ahead of something here.
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