Early pregnancy, a fetus cannot think or feel. What's so wrong? 

It's so weird that those people that are so against abortions only care once that person comes to life than after that they dont give a [BLEEP].

Adopted not one but two children in crisis.  Try again.

My point stands. A fetus isn't a baby. A fetus is made of cells that are functioning cells, however, functioning cells don't necessarily mean something is alive as even dead humans have functioning cells after death occurs. Also, fetus has a certain percentage chance of survival (maybe 50% on the high side) and becoming a functioning human life.

When you take all this into 'count, humans rights to happiness and/or control over their own health and body take precedent over any chance of potential functioning human life even and including potentially destroying potential functioning human life. To say anything other than this is reaching and not based in reality.

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Adopted not one but two children in crisis.  Try again.

Props for being a great parent.

My point stands. A fetus isn't a baby. A fetus is made of cells that are functioning cells, however, functioning cells don't necessarily mean something is alive as even dead humans have functioning cells after death occurs. [font=-apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, 'Segoe UI', Roboto, 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, 'Apple Color Emoji', 'Segoe UI Emoji', 'Segoe UI Symbol', sans-serif]Also, fetus has a certain percentage chance of survival (maybe 50% on the high side) and becoming a functioning human life.[/font]

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I think your keyboard threw up.

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What in the Wide Wide World of Sports is agoin' on here???

Props for being a great parent.

My point stands. A fetus isn't a baby. A fetus is made of cells that are functioning cells, however, functioning cells don't necessarily mean something is alive as even dead humans have functioning cells after death occurs. [font=-apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, 'Segoe UI', Roboto, 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, 'Apple Color Emoji', 'Segoe UI Emoji', 'Segoe UI Symbol', sans-serif]Also, fetus has a certain percentage chance of survival (maybe 50% on the high side) and becoming a functioning human life.[/font]

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I think your keyboard threw up.

I may return this stupid Android.

Time to go back to apple.

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Ok, you got any links to that?

Here you go Mike. It was tough to find. I typed in "Minnesota Department of Health 5 children were born alive"  (actually I copied and pasted.)

https://www.yahoo.com/news/claims-childr...53629.html

Thanks.  The article doesn't mention the gestational age or anything else about the condition of most of the babies before the procedure.  And it has nothing at all about the condition of the mothers.

FSG is posting that because I said third trimester abortions, intentional acts to end the life of a third trimester fetus, are only done to save the mother's life or in the case of severe fetal abnormality.  Maybe one of those cases proves me wrong, but the article doesn't say.  Unless I missed something?

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Been a while since I visited down here. Last time Biden was calling Zelensky Putin. Kinda a lot happened since!

I've been following along with the election campaigning but find every bit of coverage comes with the Pro Trump or Pro Harris angle of why they are great and the other side is terrible

How many of you would say your undecided still? Know there's still a long time to go.

No one in this forum is undecided.  I appreciate you checking in.  More and more, ever since Karl Rove came on the scene, elections haven't been about convincing undecided people.  They have been about creating an enthusiastic base, and making sure that base actually turns out and votes.

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Here you go Mike. It was tough to find. I typed in "Minnesota Department of Health 5 children were born alive"  (actually I copied and pasted.)

https://www.yahoo.com/news/claims-childr...53629.html

Thanks.  The article doesn't mention the gestational age or anything else about the condition of most of the babies before the procedure.  And it has nothing at all about the condition of the mothers.

FSG is posting that because I said third trimester abortions, intentional acts to end the life of a third trimester fetus, are only done to save the mother's life or in the case of severe fetal abnormality.  Maybe one of those cases proves me wrong, but the article doesn't say.  Unless I missed something?

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That was just one article there were others that have more info. If you read that one you saw that after Tim Walsh found out he worked to ensure they quit keeping records. Bottom line the babies were born alive and left to die. End of discussion. It is actually murder at that point. You actually condone that?

Just copy and paste into search what I had in quotes and read some.

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A new broom always sweeps clean.

ABC going over the questions ahead of time with Kamala as we speak. Hell, she has friends and family that works for the network. Crazy that Trump agreed to do a debate on that liberal channel.

It's not ABC's fault trump wouldn't - couldn't - exert the self-discipline to stop making egregiously-false statements.

No one forced Trump to lie his [BLEEP] off. He did that all by himself.

Which means he has only himself to blame.

If GOPers don't want to be humiliated in this way, there's something you can do: dump trump and start promoting whatever sane and halfway-decent, somewhat-responsible politicians are in today's Republican Party. Until you do this, you're going to keep on being embarrassed by Trump (and mini-me imitators).

Your choice to be a laughingstock.

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Thanks.  The article doesn't mention the gestational age or anything else about the condition of most of the babies before the procedure.  And it has nothing at all about the condition of the mothers.

FSG is posting that because I said third trimester abortions, intentional acts to end the life of a third trimester fetus, are only done to save the mother's life or in the case of severe fetal abnormality.  Maybe one of those cases proves me wrong, but the article doesn't say.  Unless I missed something?

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That was just one article there were others that have more info. If you read that one you saw that after Tim Walsh found out he worked to ensure they quit keeping records. Bottom line the babies were born alive and left to die. End of discussion. It is actually murder at that point. You actually condone that?

Just copy and paste into search what I had in quotes and read some.

I'd search, but we have to agree that the bolded part isn't exactly true.
If the baby is pre-viable or severely deformed, what should be done? Maybe it was the mother's "choice" to abort it, or maybe she was dying herself.  It makes a big difference.  Do you agree?

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Adopted not one but two children in crisis.  Try again.

My point stands. A fetus isn't a baby. A fetus is made of cells that are functioning cells, however, functioning cells don't necessarily mean something is alive as even dead humans have functioning cells after death occurs. Also, fetus has a certain percentage chance of survival (maybe 50% on the high side) and becoming a functioning human life.

When you take all this into 'count, humans rights to happiness and/or control over their own health and body take precedent over any chance of potential functioning human life even and including potentially destroying potential functioning human life. To say anything other than this is reaching and not based in reality.

So which is it?  People that oppose abortion don't give a damn about the child after birth or even after being confronted with reality you are just going to move the goalpost?

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At some point you just have to let go of what you thought should happen and live in what is happening.
 

My point stands. A fetus isn't a baby. A fetus is made of cells that are functioning cells, however, functioning cells don't necessarily mean something is alive as even dead humans have functioning cells after death occurs. Also, fetus has a certain percentage chance of survival (maybe 50% on the high side) and becoming a functioning human life.

When you take all this into 'count, humans rights to happiness and/or control over their own health and body take precedent over any chance of potential functioning human life even and including potentially destroying potential functioning human life. To say anything other than this is reaching and not based in reality.

So which is it?  People that oppose abortion don't give a damn about the child after birth or even after being confronted with reality you are just going to move the goalpost?

Alot of people that support banning of abortion don't give a [BLEEP] about kids after birth. You are rare and I applaud you.

Just look at the right wingers in general.

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I'm only trying to talk about what different laws say.  They are confusing. There are about 50 different definitions of abortion out there now.

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That's unnecessary. I thought you were better than that.

It’s 2024. Dudes can have uteruses, chicks can have penises now. My side didn’t make the rules. Don’t hate the player, hate the game.

I'm on your side!  Except when it comes to Trump.
And even though the rules now say that dudes can sleep with dudes and dudes can have uteruses,  they also say that calling someone gay when they're not gay is an insult. And calling someone trans when they're not trans is an insult.  Be better.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

It’s 2024. Dudes can have uteruses, chicks can have penises now. My side didn’t make the rules. Don’t hate the player, hate the game.

I'm on your side!  Except when it comes to Trump.
And even though the rules now say that dudes can sleep with dudes and dudes can have uteruses,  they also say that calling someone gay when they're not gay is an insult. And calling someone trans when they're not trans is an insult.  Be better.

Being trans is insulting to you? Damn, maybe you need to think about trying to be better. Transphobia is not a good look.

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What in the Wide Wide World of Sports is agoin' on here???

Trump stop rambling give them details what are you going to do about healthcare!

Don't you know... he has a concept of a plan...... give it sometime.

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Trump stop rambling give them details what are you going to do about healthcare!

Don't you know... he has a concept of a plan...... give it sometime.

How do you like this plan?

https://twitter.com/LeadingReport/status...LuX-Q&s=19

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Don't you know... he has a concept of a plan...... give it sometime.

How do you like this plan?

https://twitter.com/LeadingReport/status...LuX-Q&s=19

Look @ your source. 

His track record is coin toss level.

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Don't you know... he has a concept of a plan...... give it sometime.

How do you like this plan?

https://twitter.com/LeadingReport/status...LuX-Q&s=19

And by the way

Per Nate Silver today:


Last update: 1:45 p.m., Friday, September 13. We’ve gotten a few more post-debate polls since yesterday’s update, but not much has changed in our forecast. Kamala Harris leads by 2.1 points in our national polling average, but Donald Trump has a 61 percent chance to win the Electoral College. We’d still caution against reading too much into any of this data just yet. It takes several days to conduct a traditional poll and most of the ost-debate data so far comes from online or IVR firms, which typically don’t show a lot of movement

Reading is hard I know.

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That was just one article there were others that have more info. If you read that one you saw that after Tim Walsh found out he worked to ensure they quit keeping records. Bottom line the babies were born alive and left to die. End of discussion. It is actually murder at that point. You actually condone that?

Just copy and paste into search what I had in quotes and read some.

I'd search, but we have to agree that the bolded part isn't exactly true.
If the baby is pre-viable or severely deformed, what should be done? Maybe it was the mother's "choice" to abort it, or maybe she was dying herself.  It makes a big difference.  Do you agree?

Dude, wiggle and squirm. So you are going to withhold care to a baby based on an evaluation from who? You really do not value other's life do you. Your really getting into the weeds here. Don't bother making any effort to understand what is going on. Someone will tell you then you can tell us what they said. when you make a point going forward you need to start posting your sources too. I have noticed you never do this, but require others to. Kind of a one way street?

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A new broom always sweeps clean.

All the false fact checking of Trump and not fact checking Kamala has seemed to have the opposite effect on people than the MSM planned. MSM is actually correcting ABC and Kamala, FBI releases the real crime numbers (that are even being reported), more stories of animals being eaten, diseases being spread, people being kicked out of apartments for illegals and the higher government check. All this stuff was relatively unknown to most of the people and now they are looking for the info and the MSM is forced to report it.

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I'm on your side!  Except when it comes to Trump.
And even though the rules now say that dudes can sleep with dudes and dudes can have uteruses,  they also say that calling someone gay when they're not gay is an insult. And calling someone trans when they're not trans is an insult.  Be better.

Being trans is insulting to you? Damn, maybe you need to think about trying to be better. Transphobia is not a good look.

People only read half of what I say...

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Did Marty and Mike have a love child who has finally arrived on the board?

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How do you like this plan?

https://twitter.com/LeadingReport/status...LuX-Q&s=19

Look @ your source. 

His track record is coin toss level.

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How do you like this plan?

https://twitter.com/LeadingReport/status...LuX-Q&s=19

And by the way

Per Nate Silver today:


Last update: 1:45 p.m., Friday, September 13. We’ve gotten a few more post-debate polls since yesterday’s update, but not much has changed in our forecast. Kamala Harris leads by 2.1 points in our national polling average, but Donald Trump has a 61 percent chance to win the Electoral College. We’d still caution against reading too much into any of this data just yet. It takes several days to conduct a traditional poll and most of the ost-debate data so far comes from online or IVR firms, which typically don’t show a lot of movement

Reading is hard I know.

Good thing Presidents are selected based on national polling averages...

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Still waiting on Jag149 and/or FSG to show me a third trimester abortion that didn't involve a severely deformed fetus or a mother that was dying.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.