Per PFF, the right side of the the O-Line was a disaster...  Needless to say, Harrison was really bad.  Scherff was also rated in the 50s.

The Center and left side of the line preformed adequately.  Morse, Cleveland, and Robinson were rated as average, in the 60s.

Take it for what it's worth.  I thought the first half, besides our opening drive, the O-Line was serviceable.  And the O-Line was looking fine up until the ETN fumble.

The O-Line should have been upgraded more than it was.  But Baalke and Doug decided that adding additional WR weapons was the right choice.  In the 1st half and part of the 3rd Quarter, it looked like it was working.  The fact that we stopped playing aggressive and allowed the Dolphin's D to key in on predictable plays put our mediocre O-Line under duress and resulted in catastrophe.  Our O-Line is not good enough to dictate games.  But they are good enough to put up 17 points in a half and move the ball, if the play calling is good.

Harrison was awful and I don’t need some PFF stats to show me.  He was standing around with his thumb up his [BLEEP] on a few occasions.  And people were pimping him as the heir apparent at LT.  LOL

Per PFF, the right side of the the O-Line was a disaster...  Needless to say, Harrison was really bad.  Scherff was also rated in the 50s.

The Center and left side of the line preformed adequately.  Morse, Cleveland, and Robinson were rated as average, in the 60s.

Take it for what it's worth.  I thought the first half, besides our opening drive, the O-Line was serviceable.  And the O-Line was looking fine up until the ETN fumble.

The O-Line should have been upgraded more than it was.  But Baalke and Doug decided that adding additional WR weapons was the right choice.  In the 1st half and part of the 3rd Quarter, it looked like it was working.  The fact that we stopped playing aggressive and allowed the Dolphin's D to key in on predictable plays put our mediocre O-Line under duress and resulted in catastrophe.  Our O-Line is not good enough to dictate games.  But they are good enough to put up 17 points in a half and move the ball, if the play calling is good.

Scherff was just like he was last year. Very good in pass pro and very bad in run blocking. Next year I want a dominant RG that can do both.  Hopefully we can get Tate Ratledge.

First off, I'm not defending the right side of our line.  I'm just saying that there are plenty of teams that have the same weaknesses.  My concern is that we don't have any help coming.  And yet there are teams that have similar weaknesses and can still move the ball down the field.

Heck, we did a great job in the 2nd half moving the ball, even with our weak O-Line.  We did the same against the dolphins in the 1st half and half of the 3rd quarter.  You have to keep the defense guessing.  If we're just gonna run up the middle on 1st down ever time.  And then try it again on 2nd down, we're cooked.

We got back in the game when Trevor was allowed to actually throw the ball 3 straight times.  He missed on 1st.  He missed on 2nd.  And then he hit on a big one on 3rd. 

Why are we not being more aggressive?

If the answer is because of the O-Line, I'd like to remind you that we played great when we were being aggressive.  I'd rather let Trevor have the ball in his hands and let him sling on 1st and 2nd down, then have him under pressure on 3rd and long when he hasn't even had a chance to throw it for 2 straight plays.

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The safety was absolutely unacceptable. 2 on 1 and they still get beaten. I mean how do you work around that? With a game winning/OT drive on the first damn play. Some players need to really question how they are playing right now

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Sorry but the Browns were down to the 3rd string RT and backup LT and found a way to get it done. Stefanski was able to scheme things up while Pederson sat on him bum all day.

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The safety was absolutely unacceptable. 2 on 1 and they still get beaten. I mean how do you work around that? With a game winning/OT drive on the first damn play. Some players need to really question how they are playing right now

Good offensive coaches would have called a quick slant, or another quick read to get the ball out.

A 5 yard drop in the endzone isn't the O-Line's problem.  That's a play calling problem.  There's no way you should be calling that type of play that deep in your endzone.  I don't blame the O-Line on that safety.  That was a terrible play call that was too slow to develop.  You got to call a play that has the QB finding a reciever quick, or checking down, or getting rid of the ball.

You have to understand your personnel.  You're telling me BTJ, ETN, Strange, or any other reciever couldn't do a quick slant or flat read?  But that's not what we called.  We called a 5 step drop when the D was coming at us.  It's just dumb playcalling.  

But what do I know?  I'm just an arm chair QB.  Yet, every week I see other teams doing things better than our offensive coaching staff does.

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Bad. Just bad. Aside from playing one of the best defensive units in the league, this OL performance was still atrocious.

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The safety was absolutely unacceptable. 2 on 1 and they still get beaten. I mean how do you work around that? With a game winning/OT drive on the first damn play. Some players need to really question how they are playing right now

Good offensive coaches would have called a quick slant, or another quick read to get the ball out.

A 5 yard drop in the endzone isn't the O-Line's problem.  That's a play calling problem.  There's no way you should be calling that type of play that deep in your endzone.  I don't blame the O-Line on that safety.  That was a terrible play call that was too slow to develop.  You got to call a play that has the QB finding a reciever quick, or checking down, or getting rid of the ball.

You have to understand your personnel.  You're telling me BTJ, ETN, Strange, or any other reciever couldn't do a quick slant or flat read?  But that's not what we called.  We called a 5 step drop when the D was coming at us.  It's just dumb playcalling.  

But what do I know?  I'm just an arm chair QB.  Yet, every week I see other teams doing things better than our offensive coaching staff does.

I agree the playcall wasn't great for that situation but it was a simple 4 man rush from Cleveland and the Oline are all over the place. I agree we should have called something to buy us a few yards but the Oline should have done a better job there.

We just make moving the ball look the hardest thing to do. We get all these deep threats then don't call plays that utilise that skillset.

But I'm with you, watching Arizona ripping the Rams a new one and thinking we don't do any of that stuff

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Good offensive coaches would have called a quick slant, or another quick read to get the ball out.

A 5 yard drop in the endzone isn't the O-Line's problem.  That's a play calling problem.  There's no way you should be calling that type of play that deep in your endzone.  I don't blame the O-Line on that safety.  That was a terrible play call that was too slow to develop.  You got to call a play that has the QB finding a reciever quick, or checking down, or getting rid of the ball.

You have to understand your personnel.  You're telling me BTJ, ETN, Strange, or any other reciever couldn't do a quick slant or flat read?  But that's not what we called.  We called a 5 step drop when the D was coming at us.  It's just dumb playcalling.  

But what do I know?  I'm just an arm chair QB.  Yet, every week I see other teams doing things better than our offensive coaching staff does.

I agree the playcall wasn't great for that situation but it was a simple 4 man rush from Cleveland and the Oline are all over the place. I agree we should have called something to buy us a few yards but the Oline should have done a better job there.

We just make moving the ball look the hardest thing to do. We get all these deep threats then don't call plays that utilise that skillset.

But I'm with you, watching Arizona ripping the Rams a new one and thinking we don't do any of that stuff

To the bolded...  If you watch any other team, you see how much the O-Line of other teams are just as bad as ours.  That's all I'm trying to say.

Our O-Line is not great.  But they aren't worthless.  Dude, we got up to 17-7 against Miami with our "trash" line.  In that same game, we were dominating the 3rd quarter untill the ETN fumble.

And then today, when we let Trevor actually throw the ball we moving the sticks.  Then we got a bad bounce that put us at the 1.  

We're at the 1, and we decide to run a 5 step drop?  Of course the O-Line isn't going to hold up.  I get it.  People are going to say I'm talking madden.  But, there are plenty of offensive play callers that would not call a 5 step drop.  

At that down and distance, it's a quick throw.  You don't shot gun and then step back 2 steps.  It should be a quick read to the open reciever...  It was a horrible play call.

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I agree the playcall wasn't great for that situation but it was a simple 4 man rush from Cleveland and the Oline are all over the place. I agree we should have called something to buy us a few yards but the Oline should have done a better job there.

We just make moving the ball look the hardest thing to do. We get all these deep threats then don't call plays that utilise that skillset.

But I'm with you, watching Arizona ripping the Rams a new one and thinking we don't do any of that stuff

To the bolded...  If you watch any other team, you see how much the O-Line of other teams are just as bad as ours.  That's all I'm trying to say.

Our O-Line is not great.  But they aren't worthless.  Dude, we got up to 17-7 against Miami with our "trash" line.  In that same game, we were dominating the 3rd quarter untill the ETN fumble.

And then today, when we let Trevor actually throw the ball we moving the sticks.  Then we got a bad bounce that put us at the 1.  

We're at the 1, and we decide to run a 5 step drop?  Of course the O-Line isn't going to hold up.  I get it.  People are going to say I'm talking madden.  But, there are plenty of offensive play callers that would not call a 5 step drop.  

At that down and distance, it's a quick throw.  You don't shot gun and then step back 2 steps.  It should be a quick read to the open reciever...  It was a horrible play call.

It's beginning to become a very invalid, leaky argument and excuse around here. The last two years, sure, year three now? Just don't want to hear it. Browns had both of their starting OT's out today along with their best receiving threat at TE and still managed to sustain drives, put things together and that was with them giving us well over 10 penalties today and well over 100 yards in said penalties. 

Just done, [BLEEP] done with the nonsense and excuses around here and from that front office and coaching staff. Again, if you keep failing in specific down and distances with the same specific play calls? Why do you continue to insist upon yourself as a play caller and coaching staff with those same failed designs, play calls and down and distances?

I just can't stomach it anymore. That 1st and goal run where they immediately went backwards is exactly why I hate the way that they are as a football team. Why not try a bootleg there? Why not a QB sprint with a HB leaking out into the flat with a TE running the same route just a few yards in front of him to give your QB a chance? Some options? We see the top tier offenses do this type of [BLEEP] all the time, not our offense though.

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I agree the playcall wasn't great for that situation but it was a simple 4 man rush from Cleveland and the Oline are all over the place. I agree we should have called something to buy us a few yards but the Oline should have done a better job there.

We just make moving the ball look the hardest thing to do. We get all these deep threats then don't call plays that utilise that skillset.

But I'm with you, watching Arizona ripping the Rams a new one and thinking we don't do any of that stuff

To the bolded...  If you watch any other team, you see how much the O-Line of other teams are just as bad as ours.  That's all I'm trying to say.

Our O-Line is not great.  But they aren't worthless.  Dude, we got up to 17-7 against Miami with our "trash" line.  In that same game, we were dominating the 3rd quarter untill the ETN fumble.

And then today, when we let Trevor actually throw the ball we moving the sticks.  Then we got a bad bounce that put us at the 1.  

We're at the 1, and we decide to run a 5 step drop?  Of course the O-Line isn't going to hold up.  I get it.  People are going to say I'm talking madden.  But, there are plenty of offensive play callers that would not call a 5 step drop.  

At that down and distance, it's a quick throw.  You don't shot gun and then step back 2 steps.  It should be a quick read to the open reciever...  It was a horrible play call.

I'm not disagreeing with you. I agree that it was a bad call for the situation, I'm just saying the Oline did a bad job on the play. They had a 2 on 1 and managed to lose that duel and that was the safety. It's just getting frustrating seeing our Oline struggle against 4 man rushes. When you can drop 7 and get pressure with 4 of course Trevor is going to have to hold the ball longer.

I don't think there's any team with a great Oline, every team works around what theirs can do but not us. It's frustrating seeing us struggle to find a way to make it work. I don't expect us to score every drive and we'll have bad drives but the playcalls and what they want the O to be doesn't seem to be working with what they have.

I don't think we're terrible and all is lost but the O has had problems for a long time now and they don't seek to have the answers for the problem.

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To the bolded...  If you watch any other team, you see how much the O-Line of other teams are just as bad as ours.  That's all I'm trying to say.

Our O-Line is not great.  But they aren't worthless.  Dude, we got up to 17-7 against Miami with our "trash" line.  In that same game, we were dominating the 3rd quarter untill the ETN fumble.

And then today, when we let Trevor actually throw the ball we moving the sticks.  Then we got a bad bounce that put us at the 1.  

We're at the 1, and we decide to run a 5 step drop?  Of course the O-Line isn't going to hold up.  I get it.  People are going to say I'm talking madden.  But, there are plenty of offensive play callers that would not call a 5 step drop.  

At that down and distance, it's a quick throw.  You don't shot gun and then step back 2 steps.  It should be a quick read to the open reciever...  It was a horrible play call.

It's beginning to become a very invalid, leaky argument and excuse around here. The last two years, sure, year three now? Just don't want to hear it. Browns had both of their starting OT's out today along with their best receiving threat at TE and still managed to sustain drives, put things together and that was with them giving us well over 10 penalties today and well over 100 yards in said penalties. 

Just done, [BLEEP] done with the nonsense and excuses around here and from that front office and coaching staff. Again, if you keep failing in specific down and distances with the same specific play calls? Why do you continue to insist upon yourself as a play caller and coaching staff with those same failed designs, play calls and down and distances?

I just can't stomach it anymore. That 1st and goal run where they immediately went backwards is exactly why I hate the way that they are as a football team. Why not try a bootleg there? Why not a QB sprint with a HB leaking out into the flat with a TE running the same route just a few yards in front of him to give your QB a chance? Some options? We see the top tier offenses do this type of [BLEEP] all the time, not our offense though.

The bolded.  So much the bolded...  Just so predictable.  And it put us behind the sticks.  It was the obvious play call.  And everyone, including the Browns D knew it.  It's just not good enough.  

We're playing Madden 93 on the NES.  The rest of the NFL is playing Madden 24 on a PS5.  We look slow, old, and outdated on offense.

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It's beginning to become a very invalid, leaky argument and excuse around here. The last two years, sure, year three now? Just don't want to hear it. Browns had both of their starting OT's out today along with their best receiving threat at TE and still managed to sustain drives, put things together and that was with them giving us well over 10 penalties today and well over 100 yards in said penalties. 

Just done, [BLEEP] done with the nonsense and excuses around here and from that front office and coaching staff. Again, if you keep failing in specific down and distances with the same specific play calls? Why do you continue to insist upon yourself as a play caller and coaching staff with those same failed designs, play calls and down and distances?

I just can't stomach it anymore. That 1st and goal run where they immediately went backwards is exactly why I hate the way that they are as a football team. Why not try a bootleg there? Why not a QB sprint with a HB leaking out into the flat with a TE running the same route just a few yards in front of him to give your QB a chance? Some options? We see the top tier offenses do this type of [BLEEP] all the time, not our offense though.

The bolded.  So much the bolded...  Just so predictable.  And it put us behind the sticks.  It was the obvious play call.  And everyone, including the Browns D knew it.  It's just not good enough.  

We're playing Madden 93 on the NES.  The rest of the NFL is playing Madden 24 on a PS5.  We look slow, old, and outdated on offense.

It is not just an obvious, old fashioned play call. EVERY defense, DL, and DC knows we call those obvious plays in those situations. You're not gonna "fool" them with it because no one is going to expect the Jags to do something different. Plus you don't have the players to outplay other teams like that.

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The bolded.  So much the bolded...  Just so predictable.  And it put us behind the sticks.  It was the obvious play call.  And everyone, including the Browns D knew it.  It's just not good enough.  

We're playing Madden 93 on the NES.  The rest of the NFL is playing Madden 24 on a PS5.  We look slow, old, and outdated on offense.

It is not just an obvious, old fashioned play call. EVERY defense, DL, and DC knows we call those obvious plays in those situations. You're not gonna "fool" them with it because no one is going to expect the Jags to do something different. Plus you don't have the players to outplay other teams like that.

You said it better and more succinctly than I did.

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The safety was absolutely unacceptable. 2 on 1 and they still get beaten. I mean how do you work around that? With a game winning/OT drive on the first damn play. Some players need to really question how they are playing right now

Good offensive coaches would have called a quick slant, or another quick read to get the ball out.

A 5 yard drop in the endzone isn't the O-Line's problem.  That's a play calling problem.  There's no way you should be calling that type of play that deep in your endzone.  I don't blame the O-Line on that safety.  That was a terrible play call that was too slow to develop.  You got to call a play that has the QB finding a reciever quick, or checking down, or getting rid of the ball.

You have to understand your personnel.  You're telling me BTJ, ETN, Strange, or any other reciever couldn't do a quick slant or flat read?  But that's not what we called.  We called a 5 step drop when the D was coming at us.  It's just dumb playcalling.  

But what do I know?  I'm just an arm chair QB.  Yet, every week I see other teams doing things better than our offensive coaching staff does.

This ^^^ on the safety play.  If you want to energize and get full effort from you D-Line you put them in a situation where they can end up with a safety, it's like giving them an adrenaline shot in the [BLEEP].  Despite the silly play, even Trevor has some blame there, there was a small window that the ball has to be thrown, whether that's to a receiver or out-of-bounds.  `

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Please, and thank you.

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Little sucks. Cam is still the better option

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If they keep losing games, I would trade Cam off and start Little for the remainder of the season.

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Thank god they drafted Maason Smith so he could be a healthy scratch instead of Puni or another interior OL!

Brilliant!

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If they keep losing games, I would trade Cam off and start Little for the remainder of the season.

I agree you want to go into 2025 with a better draft pick.

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Please, and thank you.

ups and downs. Scherff got mauled on an early third and short, Harrison and Cam both had their share of whiffs, and until the last series it wasn't an embarrassment like last season.

We had some big lanes to run through, in all they got their end of the job done save for one (albeit extremely critical) series. Not throwing the towel in on these guys just yet.

WHAT? We should FIRE EVERYBODY and have a WHOLE NEW FRANCHISE next week!!!1!!!!!!11!1!11!!!!q

It works in Madden, it should work in meatspace

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The safety was absolutely unacceptable. 2 on 1 and they still get beaten. I mean how do you work around that? With a game winning/OT drive on the first damn play. Some players need to really question how they are playing right now

Good offensive coaches would have called a quick slant, or another quick read to get the ball out.

A 5 yard drop in the endzone isn't the O-Line's problem.  That's a play calling problem.  There's no way you should be calling that type of play that deep in your endzone.  I don't blame the O-Line on that safety.  That was a terrible play call that was too slow to develop.  You got to call a play that has the QB finding a reciever quick, or checking down, or getting rid of the ball.

You have to understand your personnel.  You're telling me BTJ, ETN, Strange, or any other reciever couldn't do a quick slant or flat read?  But that's not what we called.  We called a 5 step drop when the D was coming at us.  It's just dumb playcalling.  

But what do I know?  I'm just an arm chair QB.  Yet, every week I see other teams doing things better than our offensive coaching staff does.

overthinking.

If you think every good OC is calling a quick slant, no DC is gonna be prepared to handle a 5 step drop!!

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