I think everyone here agrees with those sentiments. 

The question at hand though is this season. Would firing Doug say before the BYE week salvage the season at all or not? I tend to lean towards firing Doug Pederson and Press Taylor wouldn't change much this year, as I doubt a makeshift Mike McCoy offense that is implemented mid season fixes much especially since those middling SDC offenses were with a much better QB in Phillip Rivers compared to current Trevor Lawrence.

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But wouldn't that be an off season salve? There is no way during the season Doug fires Press Taylor and gives up the offense to Mike McCoy.

At the BYE week?! No. It wouldn't salvage the season because that would be in week 12. If the Jags are 4-7 at that point (which is absolutely possible), the season would be over.

We've literally gone from a 1 win season to two winning seasons to "Let's fire the coach" in two games. People have completely lost their damn minds.

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We need to get back to being a pass first offense. They have no identity? They did in 2022. Quick passes/motions to open up running lanes to later open up the deep shots on PA. It's not that hard. We are not a team that's going to run to open up the pass and they just keep trying to do it. We have speed, we have dynamic pass catchers, USE THEM.

Come out on Monday night and let Trevor rip off 8-10 [BLEEP] passes in a row. He's right now on track to throw 433 attempts this year which is 130 less than last year and 150 less than 2022.

We have a talented young QB with a brand new shiny Lamborghini in BTJ and they only give him 3-4 targets a game. It's criminal. Malik Nabers had 18 targets Sunday, Harrison had 8, Jefferson had 7, Davante had 12, Nico had 10. Feed your best player. Take the training wheels off your $50m QB and let him be the guy. I'm very confident he'd get the job done.

I just don't understand what they're doing or even trying to be. I'd love nothing more than to see Trevor come out Monday and start attacking the depleted LBs with quick and intermediate passes and get BTJ and Gabe on some mismatches. Trevor had 11 pass attempts in the first half against Cleveland, 15 against Miami. Go let him sling it 20+ times the first half. Unless obviously the run game takes off like Buffalo did to Miami and every time ETN touches it he is going for 10+

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IT WAS ALWAYS THE JAGS

Yeah - the fire Doug wave is cresting already and it's insane.

Fans gonna fan, I guess

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I think everyone here agrees with those sentiments. 

The question at hand though is this season. Would firing Doug say before the BYE week salvage the season at all or not? I tend to lean towards firing Doug Pederson and Press Taylor wouldn't change much this year, as I doubt a makeshift Mike McCoy offense that is implemented mid season fixes much especially since those middling SDC offenses were with a much better QB in Phillip Rivers compared to current Trevor Lawrence.

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But wouldn't that be an off season salve? There is no way during the season Doug fires Press Taylor and gives up the offense to Mike McCoy.

At the BYE week?! No. It wouldn't salvage the season because that would be in week 12. If the Jags are 4-7 at that point (which is absolutely possible), the season would be over.

Agree with this.  Plus, Doug was running the offense in 2022.  It's not like there's something drastic that needs several weeks to update.  

Not only that, it doesn't even half to be made public.  Just put Press back up in the booth and let Doug call plays on Sundays/Mondays and set up the offensive game plan during the week.  

Not only that, I bet the reason for half our delay of game issues is that Press and Pederson are going back and forth between eachother about what to call.  Dude, mute Press' head set, force him to listen, and let the maestro do his thing, like back in 2022!!!!

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Yeah - the fire Doug wave is cresting already and it's insane.

Fans gonna fan, I guess

Who's saying fire Doug?

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At the BYE week?! No. It wouldn't salvage the season because that would be in week 12. If the Jags are 4-7 at that point (which is absolutely possible), the season would be over.

Agree with this.  Plus, Doug was running the offense in 2022.  It's not like there's something drastic that needs several weeks to update.  

Not only that, it doesn't even half to be made public.  Just put Press back up in the booth and let Doug call plays on Sundays/Mondays and set up the offensive game plan during the week.  

Not only that, I bet the reason for half our delay of game issues is that Press and Pederson are going back and forth between eachother about what to call.  Dude, mute Press' head set, force him to listen, and let the maestro do his thing, like back in 2022!!!!

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Yeah - the fire Doug wave is cresting already and it's insane.

Fans gonna fan, I guess

Who's saying fire Doug?

Maybe read the posts you quoted?

And who says that Press is calling the plays? Lol.

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At the BYE week?! No. It wouldn't salvage the season because that would be in week 12. If the Jags are 4-7 at that point (which is absolutely possible), the season would be over.

Agree with this.  Plus, Doug was running the offense in 2022.  It's not like there's something drastic that needs several weeks to update.  

Not only that, it doesn't even half to be made public.  Just put Press back up in the booth and let Doug call plays on Sundays/Mondays and set up the offensive game plan during the week.  

Not only that, I bet the reason for half our delay of game issues is that Press and Pederson are going back and forth between eachother about what to call.  Dude, mute Press' head set, force him to listen, and let the maestro do his thing, like back in 2022!!!!

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Yeah - the fire Doug wave is cresting already and it's insane.

Fans gonna fan, I guess

Who's saying fire Doug?

You are, but you haven't figured that out yet. 

Seriously though, half of the Jags fans on twitter today are in fire Doug mode. 

Some of them are still assigning their ire to Press Taylor, but most of that crowd has done the math and realized its Doug's offense that they think they don't like.

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Agree with this.  Plus, Doug was running the offense in 2022.  It's not like there's something drastic that needs several weeks to update.  

Not only that, it doesn't even half to be made public.  Just put Press back up in the booth and let Doug call plays on Sundays/Mondays and set up the offensive game plan during the week.  

Not only that, I bet the reason for half our delay of game issues is that Press and Pederson are going back and forth between eachother about what to call.  Dude, mute Press' head set, force him to listen, and let the maestro do his thing, like back in 2022!!!!

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Who's saying fire Doug?

You are, but you haven't figured that out yet. 

Seriously though, half of the Jags fans on twitter today are in fire Doug mode. 

Some of them are still assigning their ire to Press Taylor, but most of that crowd has done the math and realized its Doug's offense that they think they don't like.

So 2022 was just an aberration?  A moment in time when we all shifted into an alternate universe like in those Marvel movies?

I still hold out hope that Doug can right the ship, if he wanted to.  It's still not too late for him to really take over the offense.  That's my hope, at least.  I know I'm completely out of sync with you and the other moderator.  But that's my opinion.

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You are, but you haven't figured that out yet. 

Seriously though, half of the Jags fans on twitter today are in fire Doug mode. 

Some of them are still assigning their ire to Press Taylor, but most of that crowd has done the math and realized its Doug's offense that they think they don't like.

So 2022 was just an aberration?  A moment in time when we all shifted into an alternate universe like in those Marvel movies?

I still hold out hope that Doug can right the ship, if he wanted to.  It's still not too late for him to really take over the offense.  That's my hope, at least.  I know I'm completely out of sync with you and the other moderator.  But that's my opinion.

The difference between 2022 and 2023 was minuscule. 
Very little changed offensively. 
The OL got worse in the run game by a pretty wide margin. 
That was the biggest difference. 
Everything else stayed mostly the same. 

Now, if you want to go back to 30% more  of the mesh concept quick release passes, screens, and end-arounds while cutting back on the freshly added snaps under center and PA downfield passes, that's your prerogative. 

I personally like where we are headed with the more aggressive 2024 play calling changes. I think it'll be glorious if they can hit on 2 or 3 more of those chunk plays per game than they are currently able. I'm stoked we are trying it more frequently.
Just haven't been able to execute enough of them yet.

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Back on topic here. Keep the faith. Buffalo so far has had two games that were pretty good overall. Arizona pressed them a bit back in week one. They forced a lot of turnovers on Tua in week two.

Again, our team is streaky though. The defense has been fine. The offense just needs to get out of it's own head and own way at times and they'll be successful. We got lucky with two fumbles bouncing our way this past Sunday.

Ball security needs to be emphasized this week. Especially with the Bills getting a solid 72 hour head start with rest plus being at home.

Could get physical though. The London game had some heavy hits exchanged. Everything needs to be sped up and accurate this week. Quick reads, easy out's and checkdown's. Haven't seen many screens yet on offense. This would be the game to dial it up.

Sprinkle in some deep shots early while everybody is rested. Get their defense to back off the LOS.



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I think everyone here agrees with those sentiments. 

The question at hand though is this season. Would firing Doug say before the BYE week salvage the season at all or not? I tend to lean towards firing Doug Pederson and Press Taylor wouldn't change much this year, as I doubt a makeshift Mike McCoy offense that is implemented mid season fixes much especially since those middling SDC offenses were with a much better QB in Phillip Rivers compared to current Trevor Lawrence.

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But wouldn't that be an off season salve? There is no way during the season Doug fires Press Taylor and gives up the offense to Mike McCoy.

At the BYE week?! No. It wouldn't salvage the season because that would be in week 12. If the Jags are 4-7 at that point (which is absolutely possible), the season would be over.

I specifically said "before the BYE". That would include any time prior the bye week. I didn't say "AT the BYE week".

Please don't misconstrue what I said.

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Yeah - the fire Doug wave is cresting already and it's insane.

Fans gonna fan, I guess

They Owner gave a speech and press conference talking about how much he put into this team and that he expects to win this year. So, that would suggest this is a make or break year for DP and TB based on what the owner said, not the fans.

So why wouldn't discussions of the coach being fired be reasonable if a team with those levels starts off 0-2, has looked miserable in the 2 losses specifically on the side of the ball that corresponds to the head coaches expertise, and now faces 2 very good teams on the road? Should those discussions wait until they are 1-3 or 0-4?

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Yeah - the fire Doug wave is cresting already and it's insane.

Fans gonna fan, I guess

They Owner gave a speech and press conference talking about how much he put into this team and that he expects to win this year. So, that would suggest this is a make or break year for DP and TB based on what the owner said, not the fans.

So why wouldn't discussions of the coach being fired be reasonable if a team with those levels starts off 0-2, has looked miserable in the 2 losses specifically on the side of the ball that corresponds to the head coaches expertise, and now faces 2 very good teams on the road? Should those discussions wait until they are 1-3 or 0-4?

Fair point.

I think it's a bit of a leap to translate Khan's comments into "HC job jeopardy" - as his remarks were pretty vague and general, but it's fair. 

My gut tells me that Doug is the safest of all coaching and f.o. staff in Jax even if we stumble to 6 or 7 wins. 
I just gather that ownership has a high degree of respect for him and will give him a chance to make more changes and have another crack at it unless it is a clear offensive debacle from start to finish.

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They Owner gave a speech and press conference talking about how much he put into this team and that he expects to win this year. So, that would suggest this is a make or break year for DP and TB based on what the owner said, not the fans.

So why wouldn't discussions of the coach being fired be reasonable if a team with those levels starts off 0-2, has looked miserable in the 2 losses specifically on the side of the ball that corresponds to the head coaches expertise, and now faces 2 very good teams on the road? Should those discussions wait until they are 1-3 or 0-4?

Fair point.

I think it's a bit of a leap to translate Khan's comments into "HC job jeopardy" - as his remarks were pretty vague and general, but it's fair. 

My gut tells me that Doug is the safest of all coaching and f.o. staff in Jax even if we stumble to 6 or 7 wins. 
I just gather that ownership has a high degree of respect for him and will give him a chance to make more changes and have another crack at it unless it is a clear offensive debacle from start to finish.

Possibly. I agree that 6-7 win season would highly depend on the how's and why's. 

Also I don't think firing DP/PT mid season would help the team all the much. I just don't think McCoy would lead some mid season resurgence.

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So 2022 was just an aberration?  A moment in time when we all shifted into an alternate universe like in those Marvel movies?

I still hold out hope that Doug can right the ship, if he wanted to.  It's still not too late for him to really take over the offense.  That's my hope, at least.  I know I'm completely out of sync with you and the other moderator.  But that's my opinion.

The difference between 2022 and 2023 was minuscule. 
Very little changed offensively. 
The OL got worse in the run game by a pretty wide margin. 
That was the biggest difference. 
Everything else stayed mostly the same. 

Now, if you want to go back to 30% more  of the mesh concept quick release passes, screens, and end-arounds while cutting back on the freshly added snaps under center and PA downfield passes, that's your prerogative. 

I personally like where we are headed with the more aggressive 2024 play calling changes. I think it'll be glorious if they can hit on 2 or 3 more of those chunk plays per game than they are currently able. I'm stoked we are trying it more frequently.
Just haven't been able to execute enough of them yet.

This part I 100% am in agreement with.

I would like to go back to more of the quick release passes. 2nd and 3? I'd rather a quick pass than try to bully ourselves up the middle over and over that's not working. Just take the training wheels off Trevor for once.

Also though, maybe all of this gripe can be mitigated if they can get the play calls in with time to make adjustments at the line

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IT WAS ALWAYS THE JAGS

At the BYE week?! No. It wouldn't salvage the season because that would be in week 12. If the Jags are 4-7 at that point (which is absolutely possible), the season would be over.

We've literally gone from a 1 win season to two winning seasons to "Let's fire the coach" in two games. People have completely lost their damn minds.

This is with the caveat that they're 4-7.

If they're 4-7, and you don't see a significant change, you're keeping him for the 24/25 season?

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We've literally gone from a 1 win season to two winning seasons to "Let's fire the coach" in two games. People have completely lost their damn minds.

This is with the caveat that they're 4-7.

If they're 4-7, and you don't see a significant change, you're keeping him for the 24/25 season?

I am keeping Doug. I am not keeping:

Rauscher
Baalke
Taylor

If Doug is adamant about Taylor staying? It's on a short leash if I am Khan and there's a six game stipulation. If Taylor's offense is garbage after six weeks? He's demoted and Doug has to call the offense from start to finish.

I want Baalke gone though. If the offensive line finishes in that 26th or worse ranking area again? His philosophy of drafting LB's and RB's in premium rounds can be packed to be shown the door with him.

I would hire a VP of Football Operations with that person having the ability to hire their own General Manager. Doug is given 2025 to get it together or he's gone.

I would be eyeing Thomas Dimitroff, Rick Spielman or Rick Smith for the VP role personally. I would have already hired and begged Bill Belichick to be a high level consultant at the minimum.

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The difference between 2022 and 2023 was minuscule. 
Very little changed offensively. 
The OL got worse in the run game by a pretty wide margin. 
That was the biggest difference. 
Everything else stayed mostly the same. 

Now, if you want to go back to 30% more  of the mesh concept quick release passes, screens, and end-arounds while cutting back on the freshly added snaps under center and PA downfield passes, that's your prerogative. 

I personally like where we are headed with the more aggressive 2024 play calling changes. I think it'll be glorious if they can hit on 2 or 3 more of those chunk plays per game than they are currently able. I'm stoked we are trying it more frequently.
Just haven't been able to execute enough of them yet.

This part I 100% am in agreement with.

I would like to go back to more of the quick release passes. 2nd and 3? I'd rather a quick pass than try to bully ourselves up the middle over and over that's not working. Just take the training wheels off Trevor for once.

Also though, maybe all of this gripe can be mitigated if they can get the play calls in with time to make adjustments at the line

Like the two 3rd and shorts they threw in the fins game that got dropped? Like the TD in the skidmarks game that got called back for procedure? I see those things your asking for, I just am not seeing them executed very well.

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We've literally gone from a 1 win season to two winning seasons to "Let's fire the coach" in two games. People have completely lost their damn minds.

This is with the caveat that they're 4-7.

If they're 4-7, and you don't see a significant change, you're keeping him for the 24/25 season?

Goodness yes. I'm taking my time machine for a spin and firing Baalke in 2021. Or at the bye when they're 4-7, that would work too.

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This is with the caveat that they're 4-7.

If they're 4-7, and you don't see a significant change, you're keeping him for the 24/25 season?

I am keeping Doug. I am not keeping:

Rauscher
Baalke
Taylor

If Doug is adamant about Taylor staying? It's on a short leash if I am Khan and there's a six game stipulation. If Taylor's offense is garbage after six weeks? He's demoted and Doug has to call the offense from start to finish.

I want Baalke gone though. If the offensive line finishes in that 26th or worse ranking area again? His philosophy of drafting LB's and RB's in premium rounds can be packed to be shown the door with him.

I would hire a VP of Football Operations with that person having the ability to hire their own General Manager. Doug is given 2025 to get it together or he's gone.

I would be eyeing Thomas Dimitroff, Rick Spielman or Rick Smith for the VP role personally. I would have already hired and begged Bill Belichick to be a high level consultant at the minimum.

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What's Belichick going to consult on? He was a terrible personnel man and his in game work was getting pretty bad at the end of Brady's time there. I think he's overrated.

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Bills DL will be another challenge. Greg Rosseau is playing well. Last meeting, Epenesa was all over the place. Anton is going to have to get out of his 2-game slump. As for the other one. Well.....

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This part I 100% am in agreement with.

I would like to go back to more of the quick release passes. 2nd and 3? I'd rather a quick pass than try to bully ourselves up the middle over and over that's not working. Just take the training wheels off Trevor for once.

Also though, maybe all of this gripe can be mitigated if they can get the play calls in with time to make adjustments at the line

Like the two 3rd and shorts they threw in the fins game that got dropped? Like the TD in the skidmarks game that got called back for procedure? I see those things your asking for, I just am not seeing them executed very well.

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This is with the caveat that they're 4-7.

If they're 4-7, and you don't see a significant change, you're keeping him for the 24/25 season?

Goodness yes. I'm taking my time machine for a spin and firing Baalke in 2021. Or at the bye when they're 4-7, that would work too.

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I am keeping Doug. I am not keeping:

Rauscher
Baalke
Taylor

If Doug is adamant about Taylor staying? It's on a short leash if I am Khan and there's a six game stipulation. If Taylor's offense is garbage after six weeks? He's demoted and Doug has to call the offense from start to finish.

I want Baalke gone though. If the offensive line finishes in that 26th or worse ranking area again? His philosophy of drafting LB's and RB's in premium rounds can be packed to be shown the door with him.

I would hire a VP of Football Operations with that person having the ability to hire their own General Manager. Doug is given 2025 to get it together or he's gone.

I would be eyeing Thomas Dimitroff, Rick Spielman or Rick Smith for the VP role personally. I would have already hired and begged Bill Belichick to be a high level consultant at the minimum.

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What's Belichick going to consult on? He was a terrible personnel man and his in game work was getting pretty bad at the end of Brady's time there. I think he's overrated.

I don't think he's overrated at all. He sucked at drafting WR's early. He swung and missed on Mac Jones, eventhough he did make the play off's with him as a rookie and beat a talented Bills team in the snow with Mac having 3 whopping pass attempts in said game.

He nailed the TE position throughout his career, was somewhat innovative there, he's easily one of the greatest defensive minds and coaches of the modern era and he traditionally at least built quality offensive line units and competent running games. Above all? He held people accountable.

He would be a great consultant in my opinion.

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we will lose to bills. we will be be 0-5 when we get ready to play the bears in London.

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note titans owner means im undeafted againest them.