No, this plan DOES NOT involve hiring Bill Belichick as our next head coach.  What I propose is to sign the GOAT to a position with a title like "Senior Operations Advisor," or something like that. 

What this would entail is Baalke and Pedersen keeping their jobs for now, but pretty much moving forward in a role that would be subservient to Bill's advice.

With this setup, Belichick could address what is causing our problems, advise us on how to fix the problems, and not end up being hired to be our eventual head coach/general manager.

It would only be for this season.  At the end of the season, he could start looking for his new team, where he would inevitably be hired as a head coach with full GM powers.  

At the end of the year, we decide if Trent & Doug have learned enough and earned the right to stay on next year.  If not, we fire them and move on.

I'm just looking at this as a non-invasive way to bring in a new and much superior football mind, without the players all having to learn a new system, starting Week 5, which I don't think would have any chance of working.

What do you guys think?  Any possibilities with this?

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I see this mentioned for the Dolphins too.. Why? Belichick was awful as a GM. Belichick, the coach's greatest enemy was Belichick, the GM. He had total control in NE and wasn't able to hire the right people.

On top of that, why would he take a temporary role advising the Jaguars? Supposedly, he did that before because of his friendship with Tony and suggested Marrone. Is that really a recommendation that fills you with confidence?

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I see this mentioned for the Dolphins too.. Why? Belichick was awful as a GM. Belichick, the coach's greatest enemy was Belichick, the GM. He had total control in NE and wasn't able to hire the right people.

On top of that, why would he take a temporary role advising the Jaguars? Supposedly, he did that before because of his friendship with Tony and suggested Marrone. Is that really a recommendation that fills you with confidence?

That's why I didn't want to hire him as a replacement for Baalke, or even Pedersen.  I don't want him anywhere near GM duties.  

Where I think he could be of benefit for us is to try and teach the players, and even the coaching staff, how to build a winning culture.  Have him down on the field during practices in his hoodie, and telling the coaches what needs to be done differently.  

He can tell players when they are dogging it out there, or when they make stupid decisions.  It's a mindset that I think Doug is too laid back to be able to instill in them.  If they aren't getting things right during the normal practice schedule, Bill can say "We need to keep working on this for another hour today."  Will the players and coaches respect this?  Well, they should, because the guy has a Super Bowl ring on every one of his fingers.  If they don't respect and listen to the GOAT, they need to be shipped out!

One thing I wouldn't be opposed to doing in this plan would be to just get rid of Trent Baalke right now.  Replace him with Rick Spielman or another former GM with experience and success.  This would reinforce to Bill that we do have a GM in place.

Finally, I'm disappointed to hear that this was mentioned somewhere for the Dolphins too, because I was thinking that this was one of those rare situations when I actually had an original thought.  Oh well, you can't win them all.  LOL.

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Bellicheck is going to wait in order to get a coaching job. He is not just going to jump at EVP or Senior Football job.

It's been reported a few times that he wants the all time wins record. So he is going to wait to try to do that.

He is not going to pull a Pat Riley and be the Oz behind the scenes of franchise. That isn't his style. He wants to be the face.

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Said this awhile back. Before it gained any traction in the media. I would hire him as a consultant. That's about it for now. Not committing to anything with him outside of that. I don't think he's a terrible general manager, outside of failing to find WR's in RD1?

He did a good job building his defense, his backfield and the tight end room while finding WR's anywhere that fit his system in particular offense. Considering how dominate his teams were and how often he was picking at the bottom of each and every round? He overachieved a bit.

I think he did the best he could with Mac Jones post Tom Brady. I think there's a good argument to be had, that, Kraft forced his hand a bit with the Brady and Jimmy G era, and, maybe Bill had the right QB in Jimmy G post Tom Brady to cleanly move on respectfully and Kraft told him to basically [BLEEP] off, you're keeping my boy Brady onboard, and you can deal with the QB position much later.

That's how I see it at least. Other than the obvious luck that franchise had in landing Tom Brady. You cannot deny the man's ability to build a defense, to scheme a defense, understanding the rules and how to exploit them, the creativity, the ability to modernize the TE position at the time, the ability to keep a steady offensive line up to snuff for Brady and the unique rotation of RB's that were in and out of there while he was the coach.

So, again, this idea that he's some God awful General Manager, player developer or talent finder is purely speculative. And, there's really not enough evidence outside of just a few blunders at the WR position at the bottom of RD1 a handful of times.

All things considered. He's well worth the time and effort as far as having him in your building, at the minimum, a consultant that can help you defensively and trench building wise. Maybe his ego rubs people the wrong way. Not 100% sure. But, again, doesn't hurt to try. You miss 100% of the swings you never take.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

No, this plan DOES NOT involve hiring Bill Belichick as our next head coach.  What I propose is to sign the GOAT to a position with a title like "Senior Operations Advisor," or something like that. 

What this would entail is Baalke and Pedersen keeping their jobs for now, but pretty much moving forward in a role that would be subservient to Bill's advice.

With this setup, Belichick could address what is causing our problems, advise us on how to fix the problems, and not end up being hired to be our eventual head coach/general manager.

It would only be for this season.  At the end of the season, he could start looking for his new team, where he would inevitably be hired as a head coach with full GM powers.  

At the end of the year, we decide if Trent & Doug have learned enough and earned the right to stay on next year.  If not, we fire them and move on.

I'm just looking at this as a non-invasive way to bring in a new and much superior football mind, without the players all having to learn a new system, starting Week 5, which I don't think would have any chance of working.

What do you guys think?  Any possibilities with this?

NO. He ran NE into the ground.


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Fix the O-Line!

NO.

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Go ahead.. I just don't care what they do anymore because nothing works.

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No, this plan DOES NOT involve hiring Bill Belichick as our next head coach.  What I propose is to sign the GOAT to a position with a title like "Senior Operations Advisor," or something like that. 

What this would entail is Baalke and Pedersen keeping their jobs for now, but pretty much moving forward in a role that would be subservient to Bill's advice.

With this setup, Belichick could address what is causing our problems, advise us on how to fix the problems, and not end up being hired to be our eventual head coach/general manager.

It would only be for this season.  At the end of the season, he could start looking for his new team, where he would inevitably be hired as a head coach with full GM powers.  

At the end of the year, we decide if Trent & Doug have learned enough and earned the right to stay on next year.  If not, we fire them and move on.

I'm just looking at this as a non-invasive way to bring in a new and much superior football mind, without the players all having to learn a new system, starting Week 5, which I don't think would have any chance of working.

What do you guys think?  Any possibilities with this?

no.

Can't say he even made the best decisions when he was over the Pats. If he didn't have Brady running the show, how differently would we be talking about this guy?

And bringing in consultants to tell the bosses how to do their job is absolutely invasive. Everybody in the building already knows that they need to get this together or they're on the way out. Everybody. It's on them to identify the issues, propose solutions and get them to work. If they don't they'll be gone. Given how much Khan has thrown at this team, I don't see patience being the prevailing attitude.

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Jag Fan in despair:

"The game has passed Pederson by!"

"Let's hire Bill Belichick for advice!"

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

I wonder if we can get BB and try to get Vrabel as DC? If Vrabel gets no HC job he would likely do it. Vrabel could take over as HC when BB retires

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Jag Fan in despair:

"The game has passed Pederson by!"

"Let's hire Bill Belichick for advice!"

We've been in dispair for damn near 30 [BLEEP] years.. I don't care what they try or what direction they go, whatever gets the damn thing fixed.

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Jag Fan in despair:

"The game has passed Pederson by!"

"Let's hire Bill Belichick for advice!"

I wouldn't say the game has passed Pederson by. I would say his time and patience here in Jacksonville has though with Lawrence and Baalke. Coaches get burned out. Happens to the best of them. There's clearly a disconnect somewhere and he's struggled in getting a few things right as a head coach in Jacksonville. 

In particular, he's responsible for the shortcomings on defense as well. He got it wrong with Caldwell. He may or may not have it wrong with Nielsen now. It's still too early to judge that hire. 

I also think there's absolutely nothing wrong with picking Bill Belichick's brain for advice. You can't really the say the game has passed him by. Belichick won Superbowl's with the Giants as a defensive coordinator or apart of that staff. 

He helped rebuild the Cleveland Browns before they eventually moved onto Baltimore and became the Ravens under Ozzie Newsome's management. Which is something Belichick instilled in him. Jim Schwartz was also there in Cleveland with him. The same Jim Schwartz that helped win a Superbowl with Doug in Philadelphia. 

Bill's coordinators have had "meh" results striking it out on their own. So has Reid to some extent. So has a number of coaches over the years. Parcells gets the ultimate credit coaching tree wise when you factor in Belichick's success and Coughlin's success. 

But, again, not sure why there's so much hate on a guy that has been in the game for decades with success everywhere he's been.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

They can hire Napoleon Dynamite for all I give a [BLEEP], as long as they compete.

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Jag Fan in despair:

"The game has passed Pederson by!"

"Let's hire Bill Belichick for advice!"

I wouldn't say the game has passed Pederson by. I would say his time and patience here in Jacksonville has though with Lawrence and Baalke. Coaches get burned out. Happens to the best of them. There's clearly a disconnect somewhere and he's struggled in getting a few things right as a head coach in Jacksonville. 

In particular, he's responsible for the shortcomings on defense as well. He got it wrong with Caldwell. He may or may not have it wrong with Nielsen now. It's still too early to judge that hire. 

I also think there's absolutely nothing wrong with picking Bill Belichick's brain for advice. You can't really the say the game has passed him by. Belichick won Superbowl's with the Giants as a defensive coordinator or apart of that staff. 

He helped rebuild the Cleveland Browns before they eventually moved onto Baltimore and became the Ravens under Ozzie Newsome's management. Which is something Belichick instilled in him. Jim Schwartz was also there in Cleveland with him. The same Jim Schwartz that helped win a Superbowl with Doug in Philadelphia. 

Bill's coordinators have had "meh" results striking it out on their own. So has Reid to some extent. So has a number of coaches over the years. Parcells gets the ultimate credit coaching tree wise when you factor in Belichick's success and Coughlin's success. 

But, again, not sure why there's so much hate on a guy that has been in the game for decades with success everywhere he's been.

You seem to remember BB's work outside the Brady years differently than I do.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

I wouldn't say the game has passed Pederson by. I would say his time and patience here in Jacksonville has though with Lawrence and Baalke. Coaches get burned out. Happens to the best of them. There's clearly a disconnect somewhere and he's struggled in getting a few things right as a head coach in Jacksonville. 

In particular, he's responsible for the shortcomings on defense as well. He got it wrong with Caldwell. He may or may not have it wrong with Nielsen now. It's still too early to judge that hire. 

I also think there's absolutely nothing wrong with picking Bill Belichick's brain for advice. You can't really the say the game has passed him by. Belichick won Superbowl's with the Giants as a defensive coordinator or apart of that staff. 

He helped rebuild the Cleveland Browns before they eventually moved onto Baltimore and became the Ravens under Ozzie Newsome's management. Which is something Belichick instilled in him. Jim Schwartz was also there in Cleveland with him. The same Jim Schwartz that helped win a Superbowl with Doug in Philadelphia. 

Bill's coordinators have had "meh" results striking it out on their own. So has Reid to some extent. So has a number of coaches over the years. Parcells gets the ultimate credit coaching tree wise when you factor in Belichick's success and Coughlin's success. 

But, again, not sure why there's so much hate on a guy that has been in the game for decades with success everywhere he's been.

You seem to remember BB's work outside the Brady years differently than I do.

He had four years without Brady. A 7 - 9 record with a washed up Cam Newton at QB, then a 10 - 7 record with a play-off appearance with a rookie QB in Mac Jones. 

Then they fell short in year two with Mac and went 8 - 9 due to bad QB play. Then it went off the rails his final year as they fell to 4 - 13 and a lot of cap spending caught up to them. 

Sounds a little similar to what happens to a lot of great coaches over time. Similar issues happened with Coughlin here in Jacksonville. Similar issues happened with Bill Cowher in Pittsburgh. 

Only time will tell if Kraft got it right by moving on after three years of hovering around .500 and making at least one play-off trip with a really bad down year post Tom Brady. 

This idea though, that, a significant drop off in overall wins and success goes out the window when your prized possession at the most premium position in all of sports leaves shouldn't shock anybody really. Look at any team. It's rare you get away with plugging and playing unless you had a chance to groom your QB's successor, something Bill tried, and was ultimately denied by his owner. 

Tomlin has been scrappy but not the same coach minus Ben Roethlisberger. You can say that for a lot of teams. Falcons are just now getting past the loss of Matt Ryan. The clots have been in QB hell since Manning's retirement and Luck's injuries forcing him to retire. 

Not every team gets lucky like the Packers. Or the Chargers. Some teams don't get to go from Favre to Rodgers to Love. Some teams don't get to go from Brees to Rivers to Herbert. [BLEEP] happens.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

Sometimes it's just time for a change and a fresh start. I think that's exactly what BB needed

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“Seriously?”

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I'm sure Mac Jones would love this move! He could be reunited with his BFF

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