He had bad throws and some poor decision-making in the game. No one is denying that. He played better after those shotty overthrows.

The killer of this game that pretty much cost them was the 1 yard line. They had 4 tries. Could not get into the endzone. The Jaguars have a history of this nonsense. 1 yard. That would have sealed the win. But, they couldn't get one damn yard.

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Don't be such a moron.  LOL  (call back to the game day thread)

Seriously, though.  Trevor played bad in the first half.  I mentioned it throughout the first half.  But dude, he pulled his head out of his [BLEEP] in the 2nd half.  He's capable of being a top 10 QB.  I keep saying this, because it's true:  We didn't lose this game because of Lawrence.

Did Lawrence win this game?  NO.

But he did enough to put us in a position to win.  It was the coaching that failed.  This has been the same thing we've seen since last year.   The coaching isn't good enough.  This isn't a 0-4 squad.  But it is an 0-4 coaching staff.

I was contemplating calling you a moron in the other thread just now as a joke but decided to let the other two tango instead LOL.

There were a lot of variables at play, that you're right about, which contributed to our loss - most notably the horrific coaching and playcalling late in the game (which is disturbingly reminiscent of the same boneheaded woes from last year). 

We're looking at the problem from different ends or perspectives if you will. I'll keep harping on this that if he was indeed playing like a top 10 QB, he himself would have won us this game especially with those glaring missed opportunities - which ended up voiding potential points and touchdowns. And yes, his play improved from half-to-half, but that's not saying much with how abysmal his performance was from the outset.

LOL, beat you to it!

Dude, at the end of the day, Lawrence has to be better.  That's the bottom line.  I totally get it.  He's being paid like a franchise QB.  He needs to be good for 60 minutes.  He hasn't given us a full 60 minutes since god knows when.

I'm not saying you're wrong that Lawrence is looking bad.  I'm just saying I have faith that there's a chance he can live up to the hype...  It's just not going to be this year, apparently...  It just sucks that it looks like this is the end of any chance of a playoff run.

I just look at teams with these young HC's/OC's that are QB focused seem to get the best out of their offenses.  And our team is stuck in the mud.  It's been frustrating to watch for 2 seasons now.

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Let's not forget the refs spotted the tinhorns 4 points which was their margin of victory. lol, this team and the refs spotting the opposition points is just... you just have to laugh to keep your sanity. Same thing happened against the browns.

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He had bad throws and some poor decision-making in the game. No one is denying that. He played better after those shotty overthrows.

The killer of this game that pretty much cost them was the 1 yard line. They had 4 tries. Could not get into the endzone. The Jaguars have a history of this nonsense. 1 yard. That would have sealed the win. But, they couldn't get one damn yard.

Speaking of the 1 yard line shenanigans, I believe it was the 3rd down play where Trevor had a read-option play and still handed off the ball, even when the edge rusher crashed down heavily, which otherwise would have been a walk-in touchdown.

That one falls on him as well for making a poor read and not pulling that ball and waltzing into the endzone.

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Let's not forget the refs spotted the tinhorns 4 points which was their margin of victory.  lol, this team and the refs spotting the opposition points is just...  you just have to laugh to keep your sanity.  Same thing happened against the browns.

Jags 6 penalties for 45 yards, tinhorns 12 for 95. Don't think we can put this one on the zebra's. Add the fact it was in Houston. The flag on BTJ first down was stupid as hell though.

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Let's not forget the refs spotted the tinhorns 4 points which was their margin of victory.  lol, this team and the refs spotting the opposition points is just...  you just have to laugh to keep your sanity.  Same thing happened against the browns.

Jags 6 penalties for 45 yards, tinhorns 12 for 95. Don't think we can put this one on the zebra's. Add the fact it was in Houston. The flag on BTJ first down was stupid as hell though.

Sure, plenty of blame to go around. No argument here.   But did the refs spot them 4 or not?

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He had bad throws and some poor decision-making in the game. No one is denying that. He played better after those shotty overthrows.

The killer of this game that pretty much cost them was the 1 yard line. They had 4 tries. Could not get into the endzone. The Jaguars have a history of this nonsense. 1 yard. That would have sealed the win. But, they couldn't get one damn yard.

Speaking of the 1 yard line shenanigans, I believe it was the 3rd down play where Trevor had a read-option play and still handed off the ball, even when the edge rusher crashed down heavily, which otherwise would have been a walk-in touchdown.

That one falls on him as well for making a poor read and not pulling that ball and waltzing into the endzone.

Yeah, I remember discussing that in the game thread...  We'll never know, but there's a possibility that the coaches told him that he had to hand off the ball.  The RPO was just a "redirect".  

The reason I say this is because Lawrence NEVER keeps the ball on these RPO plays.  At least not since 2022.

Edit: I said he never keeps the ball on the RPOs. I'm sure there are a couple times he has. But, from my memory, the vast majority of the time, he gives the ball to the rusher.

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I was contemplating calling you a moron in the other thread just now as a joke but decided to let the other two tango instead LOL.

There were a lot of variables at play, that you're right about, which contributed to our loss - most notably the horrific coaching and playcalling late in the game (which is disturbingly reminiscent of the same boneheaded woes from last year). 

We're looking at the problem from different ends or perspectives if you will. I'll keep harping on this that if he was indeed playing like a top 10 QB, he himself would have won us this game especially with those glaring missed opportunities - which ended up voiding potential points and touchdowns. And yes, his play improved from half-to-half, but that's not saying much with how abysmal his performance was from the outset.

LOL, beat you to it!

Dude, at the end of the day, Lawrence has to be better.  That's the bottom line.  I totally get it.  He's being paid like a franchise QB.  He needs to be good for 60 minutes.  He hasn't given us a full 60 minutes since god knows when.

I'm not saying you're wrong that Lawrence is looking bad.  I'm just saying I have faith that there's a chance he can live up to the hype...  It's just not going to be this year, apparently...  It just sucks that it looks like this is the end of any chance of a playoff run.

I just look at teams with these young HC's/OC's that are QB focused seem to get the best out of their offenses.  And our team is stuck in the mud.  It's been frustrating to watch for 2 seasons now.

It's unfortunate that our organization around him is in disarray, which does Trevor no favors, but I thought his talent could be able to mask some of the deficiencies present around him. This loss really hurts because it was against a division foe and it happened to be a game that was actually winnable for 99% of the game. Could have put us back in the race, but now things are statistically looking incredibly bleak for our playoff hopes.

Here's to hoping we can muster up a win against the clots next week in our throwback jerseys.

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The defense made a stop up 3 to give it back to our offense with less than 5 minutes left and we get a 3 and out lol

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Trevor cant throw a touch deep pass tosave his [BLEEP]. Boy throws every pass 90 miles an hour. No touch. He missed two easy td passes today. That i s unacceptable.

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Jags 6 penalties for 45 yards, tinhorns 12 for 95. Don't think we can put this one on the zebra's. Add the fact it was in Houston. The flag on BTJ first down was stupid as hell though.

Sure, plenty of blame to go around. No argument here.   But did the refs spot them 4 or not?

Idk I feel like we could say we were spotted some points with the holding calls holding the tinhorns back. I’m just pretty numb to the refs tbh, tinhorns did everything they could to gift us this win and instead we got our 10th straight loss. Over a year since a win.

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Speaking of the 1 yard line shenanigans, I believe it was the 3rd down play where Trevor had a read-option play and still handed off the ball, even when the edge rusher crashed down heavily, which otherwise would have been a walk-in touchdown.

That one falls on him as well for making a poor read and not pulling that ball and waltzing into the endzone.

Yeah, I remember discussing that in the game thread...  We'll never know, but there's a possibility that the coaches told him that he had to hand off the ball.  The RPO was just a "redirect".  

The reason I say this is because Lawrence NEVER keeps the ball on these RPO plays.  At least not since 2022.

Edit:  I said he never keeps the ball on the RPOs.  I'm sure there are a couple times he has.  But, from my memory, the vast majority of the time, he gives the ball to the rusher.

I can absolutely believe that because it really seems like he is handing off the ball a lot more frequently than pulling the ball and rushing himself. But that was such an easy read, with a good 20 yards of lateral availability, that I wish he would make that executive decision himself as the play transpires.

I'd like to know how much this coaching staff "pulls in" Trevor versus it being on him - and I doubt we'll ever be privy to that info unless we were either TLaw or Pederson.

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Yeah, I remember discussing that in the game thread...  We'll never know, but there's a possibility that the coaches told him that he had to hand off the ball.  The RPO was just a "redirect".  

The reason I say this is because Lawrence NEVER keeps the ball on these RPO plays.  At least not since 2022.

Edit:  I said he never keeps the ball on the RPOs.  I'm sure there are a couple times he has.  But, from my memory, the vast majority of the time, he gives the ball to the rusher.

I can absolutely believe that because it really seems like he is handing off the ball a lot more frequently than pulling the ball and rushing himself. But that was such an easy read, with a good 20 yards of lateral availability, that I wish he would make that executive decision himself as the play transpires.

I'd like to know how much this coaching staff "pulls in" Trevor versus it being on him - and I doubt we'll ever be privy to that info unless we were either TLaw or Pederson.

Based on Trevor’s visual displeasure with Doug now in two games, I am gonna say it’s Pederson

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The defense made a stop up 3 to give it back to our offense with less than 5 minutes left and we get a 3 and out lol

Killed by game ending 3 and outs today and against the dolphins.  Killed by game beginning 3 and outs against the browns and bills.

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I choose to ignore lots of your blathering. 

Not much point. 
You're obsessed with finding every way conceivable to blame various staff and you don't know what positions the players even play. Just in the past 24 hours alone you called a LB a DB and you thought our own nickel was playing safety. It's so not worth the effort to explain this stuff to you. 

You'll never understand truth when it stares you in the face concerning this team. You're too obsessed with your plays not players worldview of the NFL.

Feeling's mutual bud.

Though, over the last 2 seasons, I've been proven more accurate about what's the problem with this team than you.  Maybe take that into consideration before you take your "holier than thou" attitude.

I thought Doug coached a good game today. It was once again our QB failing to make plays in criticial moments.

You just need to face it that Trevor isnt good.

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Sure, plenty of blame to go around. No argument here.   But did the refs spot them 4 or not?

Idk I feel like we could say we were spotted some points with the holding calls holding the tinhorns back. I’m just pretty numb to the refs tbh, tinhorns did everything they could to gift us this win and instead we got our 10th straight loss. Over a year since a win.

I don't need to see an even penalty distribution.  Sure, when you see an uneven one it does make you look a little more closely to see if there were some bias or whatever, but some teams commit more fouls than others and the game should be called accordingly by the refs.  They showed the replay on pretty much every tinhorn infraction and it was pretty clear it should have been called.  I don't recall the refs contributing to any of our points with questionable calls.  

That was a horrible defensive holding call that wiped away a 3rd and long incompletion and instead gave the tinhorns 1st and goal.  It's not a stretch to say the refs contributed to significantly to that extra 4 points there and they won by 4.  The tinhorns are/were sloppy today, but that's one instance where they got bailed out and it directly led to the additional 4 points.  The browns got a very questionable roughing call on their first and only TD drive against us that also wiped away a 3rd and long incompletion.  Both were already in FG range and should have resulted in FG tries instead of 1st and goals.

None of this exonerates anyone's poor play today.  We've just had some very bad luck to go along with the poor execution.

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Feeling's mutual bud.

Though, over the last 2 seasons, I've been proven more accurate about what's the problem with this team than you.  Maybe take that into consideration before you take your "holier than thou" attitude.

I thought Doug coached a good game today. It was once again our QB failing to make plays in criticial moments.

You just need to face it that Trevor isnt good.

And you need to face that both Trevor and Doug are a problem, and only one of them can be solved due to the others contract.

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Idk I feel like we could say we were spotted some points with the holding calls holding the tinhorns back. I’m just pretty numb to the refs tbh, tinhorns did everything they could to gift us this win and instead we got our 10th straight loss. Over a year since a win.

I don't need to see an even penalty distribution.  Sure, when you see an uneven one it does make you look a little more closely to see if there were some bias or whatever, but some teams commit more fouls than others and the game should be called accordingly by the refs.  They showed the replay on pretty much every tinhorn infraction and it was pretty clear it should have been called.  I don't recall the refs contributing to any of our points with questionable calls.  

That was a horrible defensive holding call that wiped away a 3rd and long incompletion and instead gave the tinhorns 1st and goal.  It's not a stretch to say the refs contributed to significantly to that extra 4 points there and they won by 4.  The tinhorns are/were sloppy today, but that's one instance where they got bailed out and it directly led to the additional 4 points.  The browns got a very questionable roughing call on their first and only TD drive against us that also wiped away a 3rd and long incompletion.  Both were already in FG range and should have resulted in FG tries instead of 1st and goals.

None of this exonerates anyone's poor play today.  We've just had some very bad luck to go along with the poor execution.

On the flipside, what do you thinks the odds are that Jags OTs held Danielle Hunter and Will Anderson to 0 sacks without holding?  (Luckily they weren't wearing red gloves.)

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Can we leave the personal insults behind for a while and get back to some semblance of topic, gents?
Please, and thank you.

I thought Doug coached a good game today. It was once again our QB failing to make plays in criticial moments.

You just need to face it that Trevor isnt good.

And you need to face that both Trevor and Doug are a problem, and only one of them can be solved due to the others contract.

I half agree with you.

Both are the issue, and both need to go

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And you need to face that both Trevor and Doug are a problem, and only one of them can be solved due to the others contract.

I half agree with you.

Both are the issue, and both need to go

Luckily for us your terrible take is terrible, and Trevor is with us for the next couple seasons.

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