Davis was a big ticket FA addition and a replacement for Zay Jones who I admittedly was a very big fan of so am a little biased.

But Gabe has been very disappointing so far. Yes the team is not playing well and it's 4 games on a new team, new system, new routes etc so there is a learning curve but his numbers are very worrying right now. So far

9 rec
21 targets
121yds
0 TD's

One of Gabe's skills is a deep pass threat and we've not been able to utilise that much yet but if you look at BTJ's numbers, who is a rookie so far

17 rec
26 targets
275yds
2 TD's

So can Gabe improve and be that 3rd weapon at WR for us? Kirk has struggled this year and we miss Engram right now. Zay was a great weapon for us that sometimes was unappreciated for what he would do. He feels a bigger miss with how the WR's are playing right now.

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Gabe hasn't been done many favors as some of the incompletions are a bit flukey, but he also has a couple of bad drops and has had poor separation on around half of his routes according to my eyeball test.

Not impressed, but the offense as a whole has struggled to string together clean execution so frequently I think what he really has to offer remains to be seen.

Comping him to BTJ is almost unfair as the rookie clearly possesses an elite ability to accelerate out of breaks that is quite rare.

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At the rate he is going, he won't be here next year. Something has to give.

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Using his hands rather than his facemask to catch the ball would be an improvement

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I said before FA I wanted no part of Gabe. I came around a little bit during camp but now I’m right back where I initially started

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IT WAS ALWAYS THE JAGS

Of course he can improve. Give it time. Roughest part of the season is over.

The next few games should give them just enough breathing room to build up some confidence, some chemistry and continuity and then that momentum should carry through when they get back into the second portion of the schedule where it gets a little bit more rough again.

The running game is getting better.

The pass protection is getting better.

We're getting production out of Bigsby and Strange which should allow more unique looks once Engram is healthy.

Our defense should be getting healthier and bringing in more veteran leadership with the younger guys getting good repetitions now.

Keep the faith. Good things are fixing to break through. It just takes one win. That's all it takes.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

Gabe and Armstead competing for the Hugh Douglas free agency right now

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Gabe and Armstead competing for the Hugh Douglas free agency right now

Whaaaa? I don't know man. Armstead came over already as damaged goods, had limited practice and ended up getting a sack in the opener at least. Maybe he's being played out of position. 

Gabe, hmm, for me I think it's just a matter of timing and chemistry. It's been one month, against some pretty tough teams. I think we'll see things even out soon.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

I feel like all his routes are curls or something. I never see the ball going his way in stride like I do with Kirk and BTJ. He’s nestled up in the open window of the zone when he does get open and when the ball comes his way it seems. It reminds me of Bortles’ time here. Seemed like all the receivers had to run curls and find an opening and wait for the ball with Bortles. No one ever hardly caught anything in stride because Bortles wasn’t the throw guys open type of QB. He needed stationary targets. This isn’t an indictment on Lawrence as Gabe is the only receiver I get these vibes from. Needless to say, I haven’t been impressed with him in his time here.

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He's a streaky 40 catch a year guy, that's all he is.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Need more time, literally. Time for them to click and more time for Lawrence and Davis to get the long game down. They really need to use more of TE going one way with the WR's going the other. Davis could be used better on deep crossers and go route's. Seems like they have him mostly doing stuff down the seams or quick out's.

It's just odd really. Kind of getting burned out on seeing little guys running big guy routes and big guys running little guy routes. Kirk needs to be the out route guy. Davis needs to be the target on those deep shots in my opinion. I don't know. We'll see. They're getting a little bit better weekly. I remember giving [BLEEP] to Taylor and Pederson for having Davis trying to block a DE against the Browns.

Here it was yesterday, Slowik had one of his receivers trying to take on Walker or Hines-Allen I think on a running play where they got absolutely handled in the backfield for a loss. So, it's encouraging to see we're not the only goofy [BLEEP] offense out there doing goofy [BLEEP] things conceptually from time to time.

Everybody is getting caught up on this deep double safety look the NFL is using a lot of now. I don't really care. Just use more screens then. They actually used a screen yesterday to Etienne. I about [BLEEP] myself out of pure joy seeing that play executed. Keep doing that.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

Gabe and Armstead competing for the Hugh Douglas free agency right now

Hyperbole is hyper.

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I feel like all his routes are curls or something.  I never see the ball going his way in stride like I do with Kirk and BTJ.  He’s nestled up in the open window of the zone when he does get open and when the ball comes his way it seems.  It reminds me of Bortles’ time here.  Seemed like all the receivers had to run curls and find an opening and wait for the ball with Bortles.  No one ever hardly caught anything in stride because Bortles wasn’t the throw guys open type of QB.  He needed stationary targets. This isn’t an indictment on Lawrence as Gabe is the only receiver I get these vibes from.  Needless to say, I haven’t been impressed with him in his time here.

I've seen him on a couple of crossers get denied a good throw because we has wearing the cornerback like a second pair of shoulder pads

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I feel like all his routes are curls or something.  I never see the ball going his way in stride like I do with Kirk and BTJ.  He’s nestled up in the open window of the zone when he does get open and when the ball comes his way it seems.  It reminds me of Bortles’ time here.  Seemed like all the receivers had to run curls and find an opening and wait for the ball with Bortles.  No one ever hardly caught anything in stride because Bortles wasn’t the throw guys open type of QB.  He needed stationary targets. This isn’t an indictment on Lawrence as Gabe is the only receiver I get these vibes from.  Needless to say, I haven’t been impressed with him in his time here.

I've seen him on a couple of crossers get denied a good throw because we has wearing the cornerback like a second pair of shoulder pads

That's the other thing.  I'm just not seeing real speed out of him either.  I know the camera is not always on him which is why you need to look at the all 22, but I don't recall ever seeing him separate against a defender.  When he's been open, it just seems that he found a soft spot in the zone or something.  Finding soft spots in the zone is a skill, so I'll give him that, but that's about all I've seen and it has been sporadic.

When we were looking at free agent WRs last January ahead of free agency, I zero'd in on him as a potential target for us given size, big game production at times and likely price tag, but I am thoroughly disappointed 4 games in.  Still time for him to turn it around and change my mind I guess.

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I've seen him on a couple of crossers get denied a good throw because we has wearing the cornerback like a second pair of shoulder pads

That's the other thing.  I'm just not seeing real speed out of him either.  I know the camera is not always on him which is why you need to look at the all 22, but I don't recall ever seeing him separate against a defender.  When he's been open, it just seems that he found a soft spot in the zone or something.  Finding soft spots in the zone is a skill, so I'll give him that, but that's about all I've seen and it has been sporadic.

When we were looking at free agent WRs last January ahead of free agency, I zero'd in on him as a potential target for us given size, big game production at times and likely price tag, but I am thoroughly disappointed 4 games in.  Still time for him to turn it around and change my mind I guess.

Yeah - that was my point as I'm sure you gathered. 

The separation isn't there unless it's a go route or something similar where long speed can help him. 

He's not crafty out of breaks like Kirk and not as fast out of breaks as BTJ (though that would be a very, very short list) 

Getting Engram back could help a bit, and I imagine Gabe could get on a little streak if this staff identifies a few plays that suit him best to be a primary or secondary target. I don't expect much. Flashes here and there and a couple of standout games.

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Gabe hasn't been done many favors as some of the incompletions are a bit flukey, but he also has a couple of bad drops and has had poor separation on around half of his routes according to my eyeball test.

Not impressed, but the offense as a whole has struggled to string together clean execution so frequently I think what he really has to offer remains to be seen.

Comping him to BTJ is almost unfair as the rookie clearly possesses an elite ability to accelerate out of breaks that is quite rare.

I only put BTJ's stats in as a comparison for a WR on the same team. They are very different types of WR and BTJ is a real talent.

I feel like we miss Zay's production and toughness. You need that WR that can make a tough catch on 3rd down and now he'll get blasted. I do think getting Engram back will help the WR's too but worried we are still having the problems with drops.

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I've seen him on a couple of crossers get denied a good throw because we has wearing the cornerback like a second pair of shoulder pads

That's the other thing.  I'm just not seeing real speed out of him either.  I know the camera is not always on him which is why you need to look at the all 22, but I don't recall ever seeing him separate against a defender.  When he's been open, it just seems that he found a soft spot in the zone or something.  Finding soft spots in the zone is a skill, so I'll give him that, but that's about all I've seen and it has been sporadic.

When we were looking at free agent WRs last January ahead of free agency, I zero'd in on him as a potential target for us given size, big game production at times and likely price tag, but I am thoroughly disappointed 4 games in.  Still time for him to turn it around and change my mind I guess.

He has never been a speed guy. Dude ran a 4.55 40 at the combine. The main reason he was a "deep threat" on the Bills is because of broken plays due to Allen's scramble ability.

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That's the other thing.  I'm just not seeing real speed out of him either.  I know the camera is not always on him which is why you need to look at the all 22, but I don't recall ever seeing him separate against a defender.  When he's been open, it just seems that he found a soft spot in the zone or something.  Finding soft spots in the zone is a skill, so I'll give him that, but that's about all I've seen and it has been sporadic.

When we were looking at free agent WRs last January ahead of free agency, I zero'd in on him as a potential target for us given size, big game production at times and likely price tag, but I am thoroughly disappointed 4 games in.  Still time for him to turn it around and change my mind I guess.

He has never been a speed guy. Dude ran a 4.55 40 at the combine. The main reason he was a "deep threat" on the Bills is because of broken plays due to Allen's scramble ability.

You don't have to run a 4.4 to be that guy.  Out of a 6 min highlight clip really only 2 plays were because of broken plays and Allen's scrambling ability.  Davis has done it with good play call/play design, good route running, and accurate passes from Allen.  He was good in the redzone as well.

https://youtu.be/1A3-zkL5Tjo?si=FWwktDm2YNCvxuo0

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He will be fine for a guy who will be a 4th option once engram is healthy.

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Not impressed

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