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(10-02-2024, 09:25 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote:
(10-02-2024, 08:45 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: No he wasn't - he misstated the legal status of Haitian immigrants in Springfield Ohio and was reminded that many are there legally.

It's very simple and straightforward. 

12 to 15 thousand Haitian immigrants live there legally and were welcomed by a depressed local economy with ample job opportunity. 

You should read up on it.

This isn't going to go well.

Start with a local source:
https://www.daytondailynews.com/local/ha...C5U4QS5SI/
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(10-02-2024, 09:45 PM)NYC4jags Wrote:
(10-02-2024, 09:25 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: This isn't going to go well.

Start with a local source:
https://www.daytondailynews.com/local/ha...C5U4QS5SI/

You want us to believe a local rag who has endorsed all democratic nominees for the past twenty years? 

What's next? You start posting Kamala HQ X account as fact?

Your problem is that you get your world view from illegitimate sources.
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(10-02-2024, 09:50 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote:
(10-02-2024, 09:45 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: Start with a local source:
https://www.daytondailynews.com/local/ha...C5U4QS5SI/

You want us to believe a local rag who has endorsed all democratic nominees for the past twenty years? 

What's next? You start posting Kamala HQ X account as fact?

Your problem is that you get your world view from illegitimate sources.

You can find thirty more articles saying the same things from an array of sources. 

You always do this when presented facts you don't like. Attack the source. 
It's weak.

How 'bout you prove any of that article to be inaccurate?
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(10-02-2024, 09:54 PM)NYC4jags Wrote:
(10-02-2024, 09:50 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: You want us to believe a local rag who has endorsed all democratic nominees for the past twenty years? 

What's next? You start posting Kamala HQ X account as fact?

Your problem is that you get your world view from illegitimate sources.

You can find thirty more articles saying the same things from an array of sources. 

You always do this when presented facts you don't like. Attack the source. 
It's weak.

How 'bout you prove any of that article to be inaccurate?

The entire internet says he was right, including your boy Cuomo. You are shifting the goal posts in what was being fact checked.

https://twitter.com/saras76/status/18413...1dE3g&s=19
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(10-02-2024, 10:00 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote:
(10-02-2024, 09:54 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: You can find thirty more articles saying the same things from an array of sources. 

You always do this when presented facts you don't like. Attack the source. 
It's weak.

How 'bout you prove any of that article to be inaccurate?

The entire internet says he was right, including your boy Cuomo. You are shifting the goal posts in what was being fact checked.

https://twitter.com/saras76/status/18413...1dE3g&s=19

So you got nothing? 

That's what I thought.
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Jesus Christ, libs are stupid..
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(10-02-2024, 10:22 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: Jesus Christ, libs are stupid..

I know man. I can't do it anymore. Dude is off his rocker.  I've lost a couple of college buddies to NYC who were once normal. That place changes people.
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(This post was last modified: 10-02-2024, 10:36 PM by mikesez. Edited 1 time in total.)

There is a better argument to have about the Haitians in Springfield. It's not "should they be here". It's "should they all move to the same place".
Both France and Germany, since the 1960s, have made it easy for foreigners to legally come to their country. The French government pays little attention to where in the country they choose to live, and inevitably they end up all clustered together in "bad" neighborhoods of big cities. They don't assimilate very well and it reinforces racial stereotypes. The German government is different. They more or less assign foreigners cities and villages to live in as they come. So everywhere gets some. They are intentionally mixed up. The poorer ones end up in big ugly public housing towers, but this is still all mixed in terms of race and national origin.
And guess what. France is now known to have religious and racial riots from time to time. Germany is not. Germany assimilates people better, and probably we should be more like them. The people with temporary protected status are not citizens. Our government should have some leeway to direct them to move to a certain area or not.
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Springfield Ohio is hardly the shining blight of the Haitian immigrant issue. It's just a political plaything. A stunt.

Florida and the Northeast have insanely more Hatian immigrants than Ohio.

Springfield is just a case of a town that had sunk in population and initially had ample living and job opportunity for the first wave of immigrants. It eventually took on more than it could provide for so they are getting pushback now.

Too much of a good thing.

The fact that FL and several NE states aren't being mentioned at all in this screams that the whole "issue" around Springfield is a political stunt meant to ramp up the fear mongering.

Our country, like everyone else that has it pretty good, is going to be forced to continually make it tougher to immigrate and it's a shame. But it is what it is.
Lying about legal status, threatening/planning mass deportation, misclassifying immigrants as criminals, and driving fear is not the right way to go about it. But someone sees that as easy low hanging fruit to help get elected.
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https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1841...BTRIA&s=19

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(10-02-2024, 08:22 PM)NYC4jags Wrote:
(10-02-2024, 08:10 PM)Caldrac Wrote: https://youtube.com/shorts/tX7wiFi8VC8?s...Izdo_O5uYD

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And "unfairly fact-checked" has to be the weakest most pathetic [BLEEP] I've ever heard, LOL

How DARE someone correct him when he tells a bald face lie!
You're a moderator, correct?

You enforce rules and regulations and uphold said rules and regulations, correct?

How is it any different if there were agreed upon rules and regulations for said debate?

Did they fact check your boy when he referenced "PrOjEcT tWeNtY-tWeNtY-fIvE" when it's been hammered into the dirt by left and right leaning media that Trump has [BLEEP] all to do with it?

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Who ya gonna believe here? A humanitarian billionaire genius rescuing astronauts from space and giving free satellite internet access to hurricane victims, singlehandedly doing the federal governments job himself......or some dude living paycheck to paycheck in a 300sf box in Manhattan who gets his news from Rachel Maddow?
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(10-03-2024, 07:02 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: Who ya gonna believe here? A humanitarian billionaire genius rescuing astronauts from space and giving free satellite internet access to hurricane victims, singlehandedly doing the federal governments job himself......or some dude living paycheck to paycheck in a 300sf box in Manhattan who gets his news from Rachel Maddow?

Musk is all about propaganda, dude. It's his obsession. 
You don't trust people like that. 

I own multiple businesses and live in Florida by the way.

(10-03-2024, 06:29 AM)Caldrac Wrote: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1841...BTRIA&s=19

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(10-02-2024, 08:22 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: And "unfairly fact-checked" has to be the weakest most pathetic [BLEEP] I've ever heard, LOL

How DARE someone correct him when he tells a bald face lie!
You're a moderator, correct?

You enforce rules and regulations and uphold said rules and regulations, correct?

How is it any different if there were agreed upon rules and regulations for said debate?

Did they fact check your boy when he referenced "PrOjEcT tWeNtY-tWeNtY-fIvE" when it's been hammered into the dirt by left and right leaning media that Trump has [BLEEP] all to do with it?

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Then it is weak for them to have to agree to something so silly

"Look we're going to lie up here on this debate stage, so please don't correct us"

That sucks

Also, Trump just announced that he is hiring the primary author of 2025 to be on his cabinet if elected

You'll eventually realize I'm right about that being their plan
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(10-03-2024, 09:14 AM)NYC4jags Wrote:
(10-03-2024, 07:02 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: Who ya gonna believe here? A humanitarian billionaire genius rescuing astronauts from space and giving free satellite internet access to hurricane victims, singlehandedly doing the federal governments job himself......or some dude living paycheck to paycheck in a 300sf box in Manhattan who gets his news from Rachel Maddow?

Musk is all about propaganda, dude. It's his obsession. 
You don't trust people like that. 

I own multiple businesses and live in Florida by the way.

(10-03-2024, 06:29 AM)Caldrac Wrote: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1841...BTRIA&s=19

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You're a moderator, correct?

You enforce rules and regulations and uphold said rules and regulations, correct?

How is it any different if there were agreed upon rules and regulations for said debate?

Did they fact check your boy when he referenced "PrOjEcT tWeNtY-tWeNtY-fIvE" when it's been hammered into the dirt by left and right leaning media that Trump has [BLEEP] all to do with it?

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Then it is weak for them to have to agree to something so silly

"Look we're going to lie up here on this debate stage, so please don't correct us"

That sucks

Also, Trump just announced that he is hiring the primary author of 2025 to be on his cabinet if elected

You'll eventually realize I'm right about that being their plan

So Musk isn’t contributing Starlink terminals to flood victims?
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(10-03-2024, 09:21 AM)homebiscuit Wrote:
(10-03-2024, 09:14 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: Musk is all about propaganda, dude. It's his obsession. 
You don't trust people like that. 

I own multiple businesses and live in Florida by the way.

Then it is weak for them to have to agree to something so silly

"Look we're going to lie up here on this debate stage, so please don't correct us"

That sucks

Also, Trump just announced that he is hiring the primary author of 2025 to be on his cabinet if elected

You'll eventually realize I'm right about that being their plan

So Musk isn’t contributing Starlink terminals to flood victims?

It's all a ruse from one billionaire to another orange cheeto blah blah aggghhbhhhhhhhhhagwgwgwa!!!!
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(10-03-2024, 09:14 AM)NYC4jags Wrote:
(10-03-2024, 07:02 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: Who ya gonna believe here? A humanitarian billionaire genius rescuing astronauts from space and giving free satellite internet access to hurricane victims, singlehandedly doing the federal governments job himself......or some dude living paycheck to paycheck in a 300sf box in Manhattan who gets his news from Rachel Maddow?

Musk is all about propaganda, dude. It's his obsession. 
You don't trust people like that. 

I own multiple businesses and live in Florida by the way.

(10-03-2024, 06:29 AM)Caldrac Wrote: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1841...BTRIA&s=19

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You're a moderator, correct?

You enforce rules and regulations and uphold said rules and regulations, correct?

How is it any different if there were agreed upon rules and regulations for said debate?

Did they fact check your boy when he referenced "PrOjEcT tWeNtY-tWeNtY-fIvE" when it's been hammered into the dirt by left and right leaning media that Trump has [BLEEP] all to do with it?

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Then it is weak for them to have to agree to something so silly

"Look we're going to lie up here on this debate stage, so please don't correct us"

That sucks

Also, Trump just announced that he is hiring the primary author of 2025 to be on his cabinet if elected

You'll eventually realize I'm right about that being their plan

"Look, you have the power of the microphone, control of the debate, and a willingness to provide false information disguised as a fact check to help your preferred candidate not look like the complete schlub he actually is. Your biased participation was prevented by agreement before hand that the schlub will have to defend himself, not force me to debate all three of you at once. Even so, I still smoked that [BLEEP] and made the whole country recognize just how pathetic the entire Kackala-AWalz ticket really is. Weirdos." 

You think it's stilly because you force yourself to believe that those two chicks were actually going to be unbiased when everyone on planet Earth knows that's not so.
“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

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(10-03-2024, 09:21 AM)homebiscuit Wrote:
(10-03-2024, 09:14 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: Musk is all about propaganda, dude. It's his obsession. 
You don't trust people like that. 

I own multiple businesses and live in Florida by the way.

Then it is weak for them to have to agree to something so silly

"Look we're going to lie up here on this debate stage, so please don't correct us"

That sucks

Also, Trump just announced that he is hiring the primary author of 2025 to be on his cabinet if elected

You'll eventually realize I'm right about that being their plan

So Musk isn’t contributing Starlink terminals to flood victims?

He spent billions on twitter only to bankrupt it by allowing all of the foreign propagandists and smut peddlers back in that they had previously weeded out and lost his ad money as a result. He doesn't care, he wants the power of the platform to be able to push the propaganda. It's a cesspool there now by comparison. 

My understanding is the starlink stuff is being donated in certain areas and being paid for in others, as is the case with many countries and many states where he profits from the business. Kudos to him for waiving some fees in certain areas. 

Don't forget another starlink client , Russia, who use his starlink equipment to outfit/navigate drones that kill Ukrainians.

(10-03-2024, 09:42 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote:
(10-03-2024, 09:14 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: Musk is all about propaganda, dude. It's his obsession. 
You don't trust people like that. 

I own multiple businesses and live in Florida by the way.

Then it is weak for them to have to agree to something so silly

"Look we're going to lie up here on this debate stage, so please don't correct us"

That sucks

Also, Trump just announced that he is hiring the primary author of 2025 to be on his cabinet if elected

You'll eventually realize I'm right about that being their plan

"Look, you have the power of the microphone, control of the debate, and a willingness to provide false information disguised as a fact check to help your preferred candidate not look like the complete schlub he actually is. Your biased participation was prevented by agreement before hand that the schlub will have to defend himself, not force me to debate all three of you at once. Even so, I still smoked that [BLEEP] and made the whole country recognize just how pathetic the entire Kackala-AWalz ticket really is. Weirdos." 

You think it's stilly because you force yourself to believe that those two chicks were actually going to be unbiased when everyone on planet Earth knows that's not so.

That's a lot of typing to say he lied and they called him out even though they agreed to let him lie.
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(10-03-2024, 10:18 AM)NYC4jags Wrote:
(10-03-2024, 09:21 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: So Musk isn’t contributing Starlink terminals to flood victims?

He spent billions on twitter only to bankrupt it by allowing all of the foreign propagandists and smut peddlers back in that they had previously weeded out and lost his ad money as a result. He doesn't care, he wants the power of the platform to be able to push the propaganda. It's a cesspool there now by comparison. 

My understanding is the starlink stuff is being donated in certain areas and being paid for in others, as is the case with many countries and many states where he profits from the business. Kudos to him for waiving some fees in certain areas. 

Don't forget another starlink client , Russia, who use his starlink equipment to outfit/navigate drones that kill Ukrainians.

(10-03-2024, 09:42 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: "Look, you have the power of the microphone, control of the debate, and a willingness to provide false information disguised as a fact check to help your preferred candidate not look like the complete schlub he actually is. Your biased participation was prevented by agreement before hand that the schlub will have to defend himself, not force me to debate all three of you at once. Even so, I still smoked that [BLEEP] and made the whole country recognize just how pathetic the entire Kackala-AWalz ticket really is. Weirdos." 

You think it's stilly because you force yourself to believe that those two chicks were actually going to be unbiased when everyone on planet Earth knows that's not so.

That's a lot of typing to say he lied and they called him out even though they agreed to let him lie.

Oh, okay. 

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukr...024-02-11/
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(10-03-2024, 10:37 AM)homebiscuit Wrote:
(10-03-2024, 10:18 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: He spent billions on twitter only to bankrupt it by allowing all of the foreign propagandists and smut peddlers back in that they had previously weeded out and lost his ad money as a result. He doesn't care, he wants the power of the platform to be able to push the propaganda. It's a cesspool there now by comparison. 

My understanding is the starlink stuff is being donated in certain areas and being paid for in others, as is the case with many countries and many states where he profits from the business. Kudos to him for waiving some fees in certain areas. 

Don't forget another starlink client , Russia, who use his starlink equipment to outfit/navigate drones that kill Ukrainians.


That's a lot of typing to say he lied and they called him out even though they agreed to let him lie.

Oh, okay. 

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukr...024-02-11/

You can trust that guy if you choose to. 

I do not. 

They keep finding downed drones with the gear onboard. 

Thanks for the article, though. Maybe that's legit, but if it is captured equipment, why is it so easily functional for the unintended purpose?  Technologically speaking, that should be easy to prevent, no? I'm sure if you have a starlink receiver in your home and you don't pay your bill, it will cease to operate. Why not here?
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(10-03-2024, 10:18 AM)NYC4jags Wrote:
(10-03-2024, 09:21 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: So Musk isn’t contributing Starlink terminals to flood victims?

He spent billions on twitter only to bankrupt it by allowing all of the foreign propagandists and smut peddlers back in that they had previously weeded out and lost his ad money as a result. He doesn't care, he wants the power of the platform to be able to push the propaganda. It's a cesspool there now by comparison. 

My understanding is the starlink stuff is being donated in certain areas and being paid for in others, as is the case with many countries and many states where he profits from the business. Kudos to him for waiving some fees in certain areas. 

Don't forget another starlink client , Russia, who use his starlink equipment to outfit/navigate drones that kill Ukrainians.

(10-03-2024, 09:42 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: "Look, you have the power of the microphone, control of the debate, and a willingness to provide false information disguised as a fact check to help your preferred candidate not look like the complete schlub he actually is. Your biased participation was prevented by agreement before hand that the schlub will have to defend himself, not force me to debate all three of you at once. Even so, I still smoked that [BLEEP] and made the whole country recognize just how pathetic the entire Kackala-AWalz ticket really is. Weirdos." 

You think it's stilly because you force yourself to believe that those two chicks were actually going to be unbiased when everyone on planet Earth knows that's not so.

That's a lot of typing to say he lied and they called him out even though they agreed to let him lie.

No, the journalists get to lie with the veneer of legitimacy, that's how most debates go. What they did was what everyone knew they would do and why the Republicans put the clause in at the start. Everyone also knew they wouldn't be able to control themselves and just have to interject their bias into the debate. Then when Vance calls them on it live on television the True Believers want to act like he was wrong for doing so, while the Normies recognize that Vance was in the right.
“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

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(10-02-2024, 10:35 PM)mikesez Wrote: There is a better argument to have about the Haitians in Springfield. It's not "should they be here". It's "should they all move to the same place".
Both France and Germany, since the 1960s, have made it easy for foreigners to legally come to their country. The French government pays little attention to where in the country they choose to live, and inevitably they end up all clustered together in "bad" neighborhoods of big cities. They don't assimilate very well and it reinforces racial stereotypes. The German government is different. They more or less assign foreigners cities and villages to live in as they come. So everywhere gets some. They are intentionally mixed up. The poorer ones end up in big ugly public housing towers, but this is still all mixed in terms of race and national origin.
And guess what. France is now known to have religious and racial riots from time to time. Germany is not. Germany assimilates people better, and probably we should be more like them. The people with temporary protected status are not citizens. Our government should have some leeway to direct them to move to a certain area or not.

+1. My Greek relatives told me this exact thing during my recent trip to Europe. Greece has the same issue with Albania to the North and Turkey to the East. And they have cousins that live in Germany that also confirm this.
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