Not in season related but something that we all know is coming up for the Jaguars. Obviously with the upcoming construction, the Jaguars are playing their 2027 schedule outside of Jacksonville. I know the Jags were considering the Daytona International Speedway but that fell apart. And there are no other options in Jacksonville for the Jags to use. 

Tampa and Miami would be out for obvious reasons. Savannah wouldn't have the facilities and Tallahassee is too isolated. That essentially leaves the Jags with two options, Gainesville at The Swamp and Orlando at Camping World Stadium.

Orlando of course is the only major city in Florida without an NFL team. And as it stands now, Orlando will probably never get an NFL team. The Jags, Bucs and Dolphins would all fight against it and do everything possible to never allow it. This will probably be the only time Orlando has any leverage against the Jags and the NFL. If I'm Orlando and the Camping World Stadium authorities, I only allow the Jags to play the 2027 season in Orlando on the following conditions:

1) The Jags have to split the cost with Orlando (or fund it entirely themselves) for any required upgrades to Camping World Stadium..
2) The Jags, after the 2027 season, have to commit to play one home game in Orlando every year for 20 years. Now that the NFL has a 17 game format, in years where the Jags have 8 home games, the Orlando game would be a preseason game. In years where the Jags have 9 home games, those would be years where the Jags play a regular season game in Orlando. 

So again essentially Orlando would get 1 game for 20 years, with it rotating each year between a preseason game and a home game. I think it's a fair condition, and if the Jags don't like it then as an Orlando resident I'm fine with the city telling the Jags to pound sand and they can play the 2027 season in Gainesville. Gainesville has no leverage against the Jags, but I definitely think Orlando does now that the Daytona International Speedway idea is dead.

What do you all think? Would you all be willing to play either one regular season game or one preseason game every year in Orlando for twenty years as compensation for being allowed to play the 2027 season in Orlando? Do you think it would help actually build up a fan base for the Jags in Orlando (something the Jags have tried for years but have never succeeded in actually doing)?

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Not in season related but something that we all know is coming up for the Jaguars. Obviously with the upcoming construction, the Jaguars are playing their 2027 schedule outside of Jacksonville. I know the Jags were considering the Daytona International Speedway but that fell apart. And there are no other options in Jacksonville for the Jags to use. 

Tampa and Miami would be out for obvious reasons. Savannah wouldn't have the facilities and Tallahassee is too isolated. That essentially leaves the Jags with two options, Gainesville at The Swamp and Orlando at Camping World Stadium.

Orlando of course is the only major city in Florida without an NFL team. And as it stands now, Orlando will probably never get an NFL team. The Jags, Bucs and Dolphins would all fight against it and do everything possible to never allow it. This will probably be the only time Orlando has any leverage against the Jags and the NFL. If I'm Orlando and the Camping World Stadium authorities, I only allow the Jags to play the 2027 season in Orlando on the following conditions:

1) The Jags have to split the cost with Orlando (or fund it entirely themselves) for any required upgrades to Camping World Stadium..
2) The Jags, after the 2027 season, have to commit to play one home game in Orlando every year for 20 years. Now that the NFL has a 17 game format, in years where the Jags have 8 home games, the Orlando game would be a preseason game. In years where the Jags have 9 home games, those would be years where the Jags play a regular season game in Orlando. 

So again essentially Orlando would get 1 game for 20 years, with it rotating each year between a preseason game and a home game. I think it's a fair condition, and if the Jags don't like it then as an Orlando resident I'm fine with the city telling the Jags to pound sand and they can play the 2027 season in Gainesville. Gainesville has no leverage against the Jags, but I definitely think Orlando does now that the Daytona International Speedway idea is dead.

What do you all think? Would you all be willing to play either one regular season game or one preseason game every year in Orlando for twenty years as compensation for being allowed to play the 2027 season in Orlando? Do you think it would help actually build up a fan base for the Jags in Orlando (something the Jags have tried for years but have never succeeded in actually doing)?

C.W. stadium is owned by the city of Orlando. 
Assuming they would work the deal and not their primary tenant Florida Citrus Sports:

Jags games would bring a boon of tourism dollars to the city - so it will be seen as desirable and lucrative to the city.
Only if the Jags don't have another stadium in negotiation for Orlando to compete with would C.o.O. have any real leverage in the deal as far as making demands. I think it would be more of a level negotiation anyway. 
Offers and counter offers on costs. 

Based on the comments I've heard from the Jags brass (Mark Lamping in particular) the Jags would expect to share in costs to make a secondary location viable for NFL games. But since those improvements will ultimately benefit the owner of the stadium by increasing he value of the property - it would be silly for the Jags to cover much more than those improvements deemed temporary in nature opposed to those considered permanent. 

I also think the city would have no leverage to demand games be played there on any long term basis. 

Jacksonville already loses a home game each year to London. Giving one to Orlando is likely not in the cards.

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Not in season related but something that we all know is coming up for the Jaguars. Obviously with the upcoming construction, the Jaguars are playing their 2027 schedule outside of Jacksonville. I know the Jags were considering the Daytona International Speedway but that fell apart. And there are no other options in Jacksonville for the Jags to use. 

Tampa and Miami would be out for obvious reasons. Savannah wouldn't have the facilities and Tallahassee is too isolated. That essentially leaves the Jags with two options, Gainesville at The Swamp and Orlando at Camping World Stadium.

Orlando of course is the only major city in Florida without an NFL team. And as it stands now, Orlando will probably never get an NFL team. The Jags, Bucs and Dolphins would all fight against it and do everything possible to never allow it. This will probably be the only time Orlando has any leverage against the Jags and the NFL. If I'm Orlando and the Camping World Stadium authorities, I only allow the Jags to play the 2027 season in Orlando on the following conditions:

1) The Jags have to split the cost with Orlando (or fund it entirely themselves) for any required upgrades to Camping World Stadium..
2) The Jags, after the 2027 season, have to commit to play one home game in Orlando every year for 20 years. Now that the NFL has a 17 game format, in years where the Jags have 8 home games, the Orlando game would be a preseason game. In years where the Jags have 9 home games, those would be years where the Jags play a regular season game in Orlando. 

So again essentially Orlando would get 1 game for 20 years, with it rotating each year between a preseason game and a home game. I think it's a fair condition, and if the Jags don't like it then as an Orlando resident I'm fine with the city telling the Jags to pound sand and they can play the 2027 season in Gainesville. Gainesville has no leverage against the Jags, but I definitely think Orlando does now that the Daytona International Speedway idea is dead.

What do you all think? Would you all be willing to play either one regular season game or one preseason game every year in Orlando for twenty years as compensation for being allowed to play the 2027 season in Orlando? Do you think it would help actually build up a fan base for the Jags in Orlando (something the Jags have tried for years but have never succeeded in actually doing)?

First, if the cost to the jags are what you said it will be a hard no. Our tax dollars upgrading their stadium? That would cost Deegan her job as mayor. What would happen is the money spent upgrading UNF or another facility here (soccer) will come into play. The money would then be the same and leave an upgraded facility in Jacksonville after everything is said and done. The Chargers played in a 25k seat stadium for a period while theirs was being built. The upgrades Camping world needs is in excess of 60million about what UF is spending now.

 Orlando has no leverage at all.  A home game there? LOL  No, no, no ... Only peeps that believe that must live in Orlando. I would counsel them to be very careful playing hard ball with a guy like Kahn.

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A new broom always sweeps clean.

I wish the jags would go to Gainesville. That would be a nice chance to grab some gator fans and college student potential fans. That would be amazing watching them play in the swamp.

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Not in season related but something that we all know is coming up for the Jaguars. Obviously with the upcoming construction, the Jaguars are playing their 2027 schedule outside of Jacksonville. I know the Jags were considering the Daytona International Speedway but that fell apart. And there are no other options in Jacksonville for the Jags to use. 

Tampa and Miami would be out for obvious reasons. Savannah wouldn't have the facilities and Tallahassee is too isolated. That essentially leaves the Jags with two options, Gainesville at The Swamp and Orlando at Camping World Stadium.

Orlando of course is the only major city in Florida without an NFL team. And as it stands now, Orlando will probably never get an NFL team. The Jags, Bucs and Dolphins would all fight against it and do everything possible to never allow it. This will probably be the only time Orlando has any leverage against the Jags and the NFL. If I'm Orlando and the Camping World Stadium authorities, I only allow the Jags to play the 2027 season in Orlando on the following conditions:

1) The Jags have to split the cost with Orlando (or fund it entirely themselves) for any required upgrades to Camping World Stadium..
2) The Jags, after the 2027 season, have to commit to play one home game in Orlando every year for 20 years. Now that the NFL has a 17 game format, in years where the Jags have 8 home games, the Orlando game would be a preseason game. In years where the Jags have 9 home games, those would be years where the Jags play a regular season game in Orlando. 

So again essentially Orlando would get 1 game for 20 years, with it rotating each year between a preseason game and a home game. I think it's a fair condition, and if the Jags don't like it then as an Orlando resident I'm fine with the city telling the Jags to pound sand and they can play the 2027 season in Gainesville. Gainesville has no leverage against the Jags, but I definitely think Orlando does now that the Daytona International Speedway idea is dead.

What do you all think? Would you all be willing to play either one regular season game or one preseason game every year in Orlando for twenty years as compensation for being allowed to play the 2027 season in Orlando? Do you think it would help actually build up a fan base for the Jags in Orlando (something the Jags have tried for years but have never succeeded in actually doing)?

First, if the cost to the jags are what you said it will be a hard no. Our tax dollars upgrading their stadium? That would cost Deegan her job as mayor. What would happen is the money spent upgrading UNF or another facility here (soccer) will come into play. The money would then be the same and leave an upgraded facility in Jacksonville after everything is said and done. The Chargers played in a 25k seat stadium for a period while theirs was being built. The upgrades Camping world needs is in excess of 60million about what UF is spending now.

 Orlando has no leverage at all.  A home game there? LOL  No, no, no ... Only peeps that believe that must live in Orlando. I would counsel them to be very careful playing hard ball with a guy like Kahn.

No facility UNF has comes even close to the same situation the Chargers were in. The LA Galaxy already had a professional level stadium. Yes it was on the smaller side but it only needed minor upgrades. Any facility at UNF would need at least 100-200 million in upgrades and even at that you are talking about 100 million in upgrades to have far smaller revenue (like you said, maybe around 20-25,000 people) which means far less revenue as well.

With your mentality good luck ever having a fan base south of St. Augustine because the Jags won't. 

Kahn has no leverage with Orlando at all. What's Kahn going to do, strip Orlando of the Pro Bowl that it occasionally hosts? No one cares about the Pro Bowl anyway. Kahn would have no leverage and remember that Kahn would still move the Jags to London in a second if he could. Don't think that's completely off the table long term because I'm sure it isn't.

If I was the city of Orlando, if Kahn tries to play hardball then I involve the local CBS affiliate (WKMG 6) and I lobby the NFL hard to remove the Jags from secondary market status in Orlando. It's well known that no one in Orlando like the Jags. There are far more Dolphins and Bucs fans in Orlando than Jags fans and either Orlando should get the Dolphins or Orlando should get the CBS national game on the week, but definitely not the Jags. My proposal might be the one way for the Jags to actually expand their fan base in Central Florida, since the Jags would be the first Florida team to actually try to actively engaged that community.

The Jags losing a potential fan base as well as market share would definitely hurt the Jags organization and Kahn. Even with 1 game in Orlando you would still have 8 games in Jacksonville. Never mind actually potentially grow the fan base (more in Orlando might support the Jags if a home game is there) and lessen the chances of the Jags ever moving. And Kahn isn't going to pay an extra 100-200 million in stadium renovations just to keep that money in Jacksonville.

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I wish the jags would go to Gainesville. That would be a nice chance to grab some gator fans and college student potential fans. That would be amazing watching them play in the swamp.

Most UF students either will not care or already have their NFL allegiance so I doubt you change too many. Heck a lot of them don't even care about the Gators, good luck getting them to care about the Jags. The Saints had a similar situation playing in Tiger Stadium after Katrina. Tiger Stadium was half empty and heck that was with a lot of LSU students being Saints fans which is not the case at UF. 

The Swamp might have history but overall it's a dump. Trust me, I've been in there for many games. You won't be so happy sitting there for a 1:00 game sitting on bleachers with no backs (which is the majority of the stadium), especially early in the season. The early season heat there is worse than EverBank. The food vendors are not good either, unless you are up in the suites. 

Plus less home field advantage. The Swamp seats 90,000 people. Even if the Jags got 60,000 people, you are talking about 30,000 empty seats and a 1/3 empty stadium. Never mind the fact the Jags would have to play around UF's schedule as the Gators will have first priority. Whereas in Orlando, Camping World Stadium has no primary tenant to worry about that. Typically the NFL for scheduling purposes doesn't like playing second fiddle to a college team or existing tenant. 

The Swamp also has natural grass which is an SEC requirement. Hosting two teams, I seriously doubt that grass holds up the entire season. That could mean more injuries. Plus the lack of hotel rooms in Gainesville. There's a lot of reason The Swamp wouldn't be the fit you think it would be.

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Orlando is where you’ll be playing. That’s not a proposal.

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I sense some emotional attachment to your argument.

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Not in season related but something that we all know is coming up for the Jaguars. Obviously with the upcoming construction, the Jaguars are playing their 2027 schedule outside of Jacksonville. I know the Jags were considering the Daytona International Speedway but that fell apart. And there are no other options in Jacksonville for the Jags to use. 

Tampa and Miami would be out for obvious reasons. Savannah wouldn't have the facilities and Tallahassee is too isolated. That essentially leaves the Jags with two options, Gainesville at The Swamp and Orlando at Camping World Stadium.

Orlando of course is the only major city in Florida without an NFL team. And as it stands now, Orlando will probably never get an NFL team. The Jags, Bucs and Dolphins would all fight against it and do everything possible to never allow it. This will probably be the only time Orlando has any leverage against the Jags and the NFL. If I'm Orlando and the Camping World Stadium authorities, I only allow the Jags to play the 2027 season in Orlando on the following conditions:

1) The Jags have to split the cost with Orlando (or fund it entirely themselves) for any required upgrades to Camping World Stadium..
2) The Jags, after the 2027 season, have to commit to play one home game in Orlando every year for 20 years. Now that the NFL has a 17 game format, in years where the Jags have 8 home games, the Orlando game would be a preseason game. In years where the Jags have 9 home games, those would be years where the Jags play a regular season game in Orlando. 

So again essentially Orlando would get 1 game for 20 years, with it rotating each year between a preseason game and a home game. I think it's a fair condition, and if the Jags don't like it then as an Orlando resident I'm fine with the city telling the Jags to pound sand and they can play the 2027 season in Gainesville. Gainesville has no leverage against the Jags, but I definitely think Orlando does now that the Daytona International Speedway idea is dead.

What do you all think? Would you all be willing to play either one regular season game or one preseason game every year in Orlando for twenty years as compensation for being allowed to play the 2027 season in Orlando? Do you think it would help actually build up a fan base for the Jags in Orlando (something the Jags have tried for years but have never succeeded in actually doing)?

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

I sense some emotional attachment to your argument.

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If we have to play a home game once per year in Orlando and also foot the bill to make any updates to the stadium down there. In return. Us natives of Jacksonville would like yearly free passes for any of the major theme parks down there, along with 6, $5,000 vouchers to stay at one of the many luxurious hotel's on said theme parks that are fit for a King and his family.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

Orlando is a S-hole city.

If the Jags must play there during the construction so be it. Gross.

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Dude is delusional

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uh, giving ultimatums to a billion-dollar behemoth isn't a recipe for success. This is the equivalent of [bleep] around and find out.

You put that on the table, those other sites are gonna take the opportunity to spend two years on expansion/upgrades needed to make their place the host, and then point and laugh at the buffoons in ORD.

If ORD can promise the prospect of developing a completely novel influx of fanbase like London does [did], only then can they entertain the notion of mandating a long-term remote scheduling option. Spoiler: ORD certainly ain't got dook on London.

The argument should instead be that if ORD pays for the necessary upgrades to their facility to accomodate the shield, suddenly they enter the conversations for the big-ticket bowl games or CCGs, exhibitions and such. That's where the silver lining lies.

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Camping World is already getting upgrades. As we speak. The Orlando tourist tax fund always has spare funds. They have no reason to try to shake down Jacksonville or the Jaguars.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

Dude is delusional

Yeah.  Comes off more as an "I want this to happen this way" type of argument rather than a well reasoned one regarding a supposed likely outcome.  Which begs the question of "why do you want it to happen this way?" where an honest answer likely digs up the emotional component.  A desire to stick it to Khan or the Jags or Jacksonville in general or perhaps Jags fans (i.e. troll)?  Or someone is a hardcore Orlando city fan and Orlando local and feels jilted that they'll never be an NFL city?  Or just delusional as you say.

If you understand what real leverage is, you understand Orlando doesn't have any here and is fortunate and should be very grateful to have a season of home NFL football games and very welcoming of that possibility.  Imagine thinking a city council or mayor or other local governing body could strong arm an NFL owner. LOL.

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Dude is delusional

I agree.  Orlando has minimal leverage.  Getting the Jaguar games would be a big economic benefit to Orlando plus great exposure for both the city and the stadium.  If Orlando doesn't get the games, they get nothing.  How much can they really bluff?  Besides, I don't think it will take much arm twisting to have Orlando make renovations as most of those renovations would remain and benefit Orlando going forward.  They are already making renovations without even knowing if the Jaguars will go there.  The Jaguars are the ones with the better leverage because they have the option of Gainesville which is both closer to Jacksonville and has a larger stadium.  The Jaguars will likely play the two cities off each other to get the best deal.  

I do think Khan will ultimately select Orlando in hopes of expanding the fan base, but the idea that they are going to get on their knees and beg Orlando is ridiculous.  If Orlando gets too greedy, they just go to Gainesville.  Orlando knows this, so they'll likely make a very attractive offer.

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Is Gainesville out of the question here?

I'd rather our Jags go play in the Swamp during the renovation period. Ben Hill Griffin Stadium can support NFL level games and its not too far from Jax.

I wonder if it's a matter of logistics with everything but the stadium capacity itself.

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Is Gainesville out of the question here?

I'd rather our Jags go play in the Swamp during the renovation period. Ben Hill Griffin Stadium can support NFL level games and its not too far from Jax.

I wonder if it's a matter of logistics with everything but the stadium capacity itself.

Or the fact that is a central Florida slit trench of a stadium?

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Orlando? May as well play a season in London 

*runs away*

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Is Gainesville out of the question here?

I'd rather our Jags go play in the Swamp during the renovation period. Ben Hill Griffin Stadium can support NFL level games and its not too far from Jax.

I wonder if it's a matter of logistics with everything but the stadium capacity itself.

Or the fact that is a central Florida slit trench of a stadium?

Brings a whole new meaning to home field advantage.

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