Is Gainesville out of the question here?

I'd rather our Jags go play in the Swamp during the renovation period. Ben Hill Griffin Stadium can support NFL level games and its not too far from Jax.

I wonder if it's a matter of logistics with everything but the stadium capacity itself.

Yes 100%

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I wish the jags would go to Gainesville. That would be a nice chance to grab some gator fans and college student potential fans. That would be amazing watching them play in the swamp.

Student cannot afford NFL ticket prices.

The Swamp is a dump.

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Dude is delusional

I agree.  Orlando has minimal leverage.  Getting the Jaguar games would be a big economic benefit to Orlando plus great exposure for both the city and the stadium.  If Orlando doesn't get the games, they get nothing.  How much can they really bluff?  Besides, I don't think it will take much arm twisting to have Orlando make renovations as most of those renovations would remain and benefit Orlando going forward.  They are already making renovations without even knowing if the Jaguars will go there.  The Jaguars are the ones with the better leverage because they have the option of Gainesville which is both closer to Jacksonville and has a larger stadium.  The Jaguars will likely play the two cities off each other to get the best deal.  

I do think Khan will ultimately select Orlando in hopes of expanding the fan base, but the idea that they are going to get on their knees and beg Orlando is ridiculous.  If Orlando gets too greedy, they just go to Gainesville.  Orlando knows this, so they'll likely make a very attractive offer.

Guys, this guy is either a troll or someone who is butt hurt they don't have the Jags now.  He also has no idea how things work in real life.  The decision and plan have already been made and will shortly be presented to the owners for approval. One thing for sure if Orlando would like the jags there for one year and the exposure and increased revenue they will upgrade Camping World on their own and say please/thank you to the NFL.  The NFL has 16 un used stadiums all over the country sitting idle. Before they would let a a peanut town like Orlando hold them hostage they would just schedule roving games in those towns. Also these guys are all Billionaires, how much business can they move out of Orlando if they get pissed?

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First, if the cost to the jags are what you said it will be a hard no. Our tax dollars upgrading their stadium? That would cost Deegan her job as mayor. What would happen is the money spent upgrading UNF or another facility here (soccer) will come into play. The money would then be the same and leave an upgraded facility in Jacksonville after everything is said and done. The Chargers played in a 25k seat stadium for a period while theirs was being built. The upgrades Camping world needs is in excess of 60million about what UF is spending now.

 Orlando has no leverage at all.  A home game there? LOL  No, no, no ... Only peeps that believe that must live in Orlando. I would counsel them to be very careful playing hard ball with a guy like Kahn.

No facility UNF has comes even close to the same situation the Chargers were in. The LA Galaxy already had a professional level stadium. Yes it was on the smaller side but it only needed minor upgrades. Any facility at UNF would need at least 100-200 million in upgrades and even at that you are talking about 100 million in upgrades to have far smaller revenue (like you said, maybe around 20-25,000 people) which means far less revenue as well.

With your mentality good luck ever having a fan base south of St. Augustine because the Jags won't. 

Kahn has no leverage with Orlando at all. What's Kahn going to do, strip Orlando of the Pro Bowl that it occasionally hosts? No one cares about the Pro Bowl anyway. Kahn would have no leverage and remember that Kahn would still move the Jags to London in a second if he could. Don't think that's completely off the table long term because I'm sure it isn't.

If I was the city of Orlando, if Kahn tries to play hardball then I involve the local CBS affiliate (WKMG 6) and I lobby the NFL hard to remove the Jags from secondary market status in Orlando. It's well known that no one in Orlando like the Jags. There are far more Dolphins and Bucs fans in Orlando than Jags fans and either Orlando should get the Dolphins or Orlando should get the CBS national game on the week, but definitely not the Jags. My proposal might be the one way for the Jags to actually expand their fan base in Central Florida, since the Jags would be the first Florida team to actually try to actively engaged that community.

The Jags losing a potential fan base as well as market share would definitely hurt the Jags organization and Kahn. Even with 1 game in Orlando you would still have 8 games in Jacksonville. Never mind actually potentially grow the fan base (more in Orlando might support the Jags if a home game is there) and lessen the chances of the Jags ever moving. And Kahn isn't going to pay an extra 100-200 million in stadium renovations just to keep that money in Jacksonville.

Orlando is not getting a game every year. The contract between the Jags and the City says no, so that an irrational demand. Besides your ignorance is showing about how many home games we play here.   Also WKMG 6 is owned by Graham Media Group. (GHC stock ticker, I actual own a bit)  This in turn is owned by Graham Holdings. The largest share holder  is IShares, which in turn is owned by Blackrock. Now to accomplish the poop you just said all you have to do is to get Larry Fink in New York to go along with you. Since they are about to buy a portion of an NFL team I am sure he would love to get into a fight with the NFL.  You have these dreams of grandeur often or is this just a one time thing?

ps Kahn would not play hard ball he would just say no, along with all the other owners.

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I wish the jags would go to Gainesville. That would be a nice chance to grab some gator fans and college student potential fans. That would be amazing watching them play in the swamp.

Student cannot afford NFL ticket prices.

The Swamp is a dump.

Lol .... have you ever gone to a bar in Gainesville?  Those kids definitely have money .... or at least they have enough credit cards to get their abv up to 0.25 on a consistent basis.

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Student cannot afford NFL ticket prices.

The Swamp is a dump.

Lol .... have you ever gone to a bar in Gainesville?  Those kids definitely have money .... or at least they have enough credit cards to get their abv up to 0.25 on a consistent basis.

It's not their money, though.  It's mommy and daddy's money.  But yeah, I get your point.

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First, if the cost to the jags are what you said it will be a hard no. Our tax dollars upgrading their stadium? That would cost Deegan her job as mayor. What would happen is the money spent upgrading UNF or another facility here (soccer) will come into play. The money would then be the same and leave an upgraded facility in Jacksonville after everything is said and done. The Chargers played in a 25k seat stadium for a period while theirs was being built. The upgrades Camping world needs is in excess of 60million about what UF is spending now.

 Orlando has no leverage at all.  A home game there? LOL  No, no, no ... Only peeps that believe that must live in Orlando. I would counsel them to be very careful playing hard ball with a guy like Kahn.

No facility UNF has comes even close to the same situation the Chargers were in. The LA Galaxy already had a professional level stadium. Yes it was on the smaller side but it only needed minor upgrades. Any facility at UNF would need at least 100-200 million in upgrades and even at that you are talking about 100 million in upgrades to have far smaller revenue (like you said, maybe around 20-25,000 people) which means far less revenue as well.

With your mentality good luck ever having a fan base south of St. Augustine because the Jags won't. 

Kahn has no leverage with Orlando at all. What's Kahn going to do, strip Orlando of the Pro Bowl that it occasionally hosts? No one cares about the Pro Bowl anyway. Kahn would have no leverage and remember that Kahn would still move the Jags to London in a second if he could. Don't think that's completely off the table long term because I'm sure it isn't.

If I was the city of Orlando, if Kahn tries to play hardball then I involve the local CBS affiliate (WKMG 6) and I lobby the NFL hard to remove the Jags from secondary market status in Orlando. It's well known that no one in Orlando like the Jags. There are far more Dolphins and Bucs fans in Orlando than Jags fans and either Orlando should get the Dolphins or Orlando should get the CBS national game on the week, but definitely not the Jags. My proposal might be the one way for the Jags to actually expand their fan base in Central Florida, since the Jags would be the first Florida team to actually try to actively engaged that community.

The Jags losing a potential fan base as well as market share would definitely hurt the Jags organization and Kahn. Even with 1 game in Orlando you would still have 8 games in Jacksonville. Never mind actually potentially grow the fan base (more in Orlando might support the Jags if a home game is there) and lessen the chances of the Jags ever moving. And Kahn isn't going to pay an extra 100-200 million in stadium renovations just to keep that money in Jacksonville.

LOL, Orlando is going to play hard ball with the NFL...BWWWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!! You think that CBS and the NFL are going to bow down to the demands of...Orlando? Really? 

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Dude is delusional

I agree.  Orlando has minimal leverage.  Getting the Jaguar games would be a big economic benefit to Orlando plus great exposure for both the city and the stadium.  If Orlando doesn't get the games, they get nothing.  How much can they really bluff?  Besides, I don't think it will take much arm twisting to have Orlando make renovations as most of those renovations would remain and benefit Orlando going forward.  They are already making renovations without even knowing if the Jaguars will go there.  The Jaguars are the ones with the better leverage because they have the option of Gainesville which is both closer to Jacksonville and has a larger stadium.  The Jaguars will likely play the two cities off each other to get the best deal.  

I do think Khan will ultimately select Orlando in hopes of expanding the fan base, but the idea that they are going to get on their knees and beg Orlando is ridiculous.  If Orlando gets too greedy, they just go to Gainesville.  Orlando knows this, so they'll likely make a very attractive offer.

Khan is a fool if he thinks playing one season in Orlando will suddenly make a lot of people in Orlando support the Jags. Heck most here in Orlando dislike the Jags.

Orlando doesn't really need the Jags. There are plenty of events and conventions that come to the city. The impact of 8 home games in Orlando economically is very little for Orlando. 

Like you said, if Orlando doesn't get the games, they get nothing. That's what Orlando gets now, so the city would lose nothing. You are right that Camping World Stadium is already getting renovations, but with the amount that Khan and the Jags would require, they would have to pay for a lot of it.

Orlando still has a lot of leverage. At the end of the day it's the Jags who don't have a home for an entire season. Orlando loses nothing if they don't get the games. The Jags, if they don't try to help Orlando out, most likely forever lose any chance to develop a fan base in the largest city in the U.S. without an NFL team. The Jags will need Orlando for that season far more than Orlando needs the Jags and that's where Orlando has the leverage. Whether Orlando uses it or not is another question, but they should.

Gainesville is not a great option for the Jags outside of proximity. The Jags would play second fiddle to the Gators, the natural grass field would be torn up and even ion the Jags average 60,000, that means the stadium is 1/3 empty. Never mind the lack of hotels in the area.

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I agree.  Orlando has minimal leverage.  Getting the Jaguar games would be a big economic benefit to Orlando plus great exposure for both the city and the stadium.  If Orlando doesn't get the games, they get nothing.  How much can they really bluff?  Besides, I don't think it will take much arm twisting to have Orlando make renovations as most of those renovations would remain and benefit Orlando going forward.  They are already making renovations without even knowing if the Jaguars will go there.  The Jaguars are the ones with the better leverage because they have the option of Gainesville which is both closer to Jacksonville and has a larger stadium.  The Jaguars will likely play the two cities off each other to get the best deal.  

I do think Khan will ultimately select Orlando in hopes of expanding the fan base, but the idea that they are going to get on their knees and beg Orlando is ridiculous.  If Orlando gets too greedy, they just go to Gainesville.  Orlando knows this, so they'll likely make a very attractive offer.

Khan is a fool if he thinks playing one season in Orlando will suddenly make a lot of people in Orlando support the Jags. Heck most here in Orlando dislike the Jags.

Orlando doesn't really need the Jags. There are plenty of events and conventions that come to the city. The impact of 8 home games in Orlando economically is very little for Orlando. 

Like you said, if Orlando doesn't get the games, they get nothing. That's what Orlando gets now, so the city would lose nothing. You are right that Camping World Stadium is already getting renovations, but with the amount that Khan and the Jags would require, they would have to pay for a lot of it.

Orlando still has a lot of leverage. At the end of the day it's the Jags who don't have a home for an entire season. Orlando loses nothing if they don't get the games. The Jags, if they don't try to help Orlando out, most likely forever lose any chance to develop a fan base in the largest city in the U.S. without an NFL team. The Jags will need Orlando for that season far more than Orlando needs the Jags and that's where Orlando has the leverage. Whether Orlando uses it or not is another question, but they should.

Gainesville is not a great option for the Jags outside of proximity. The Jags would play second fiddle to the Gators, the natural grass field would be torn up and even ion the Jags average 60,000, that means the stadium is 1/3 empty. Never mind the lack of hotels in the area.

Khan doesn't need to win over the Orlando market. 

And the city or O has no leverage in the opportunity to have the Jaguars bring them 50-60K visitors six times in a few months time. They have the freedom to negotiate a fair deal in stadium improvement and prep. That's about it. 

It would be a welcome boon of tourist dollars spent in the local economy. No city wants to scare that away by overstepping in the fashion you describe.

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I agree.  Orlando has minimal leverage.  Getting the Jaguar games would be a big economic benefit to Orlando plus great exposure for both the city and the stadium.  If Orlando doesn't get the games, they get nothing.  How much can they really bluff?  Besides, I don't think it will take much arm twisting to have Orlando make renovations as most of those renovations would remain and benefit Orlando going forward.  They are already making renovations without even knowing if the Jaguars will go there.  The Jaguars are the ones with the better leverage because they have the option of Gainesville which is both closer to Jacksonville and has a larger stadium.  The Jaguars will likely play the two cities off each other to get the best deal.  

I do think Khan will ultimately select Orlando in hopes of expanding the fan base, but the idea that they are going to get on their knees and beg Orlando is ridiculous.  If Orlando gets too greedy, they just go to Gainesville.  Orlando knows this, so they'll likely make a very attractive offer.

Khan is a fool if he thinks playing one season in Orlando will suddenly make a lot of people in Orlando support the Jags. Heck most here in Orlando dislike the Jags. Kahn is a fool? Great selling point. Kahn doesn't need Orlando either.

Orlando doesn't really need the Jags. There are plenty of events and conventions that come to the city. The impact of 8 home games in Orlando economically is very little for Orlando. So what is the issue. Just turn them down.

Like you said, if Orlando doesn't get the games, they get nothing. That's what Orlando gets now, so the city would lose nothing. You are right that Camping World Stadium is already getting renovations, but with the amount that Khan and the Jags would require, they would have to pay for a lot of it.

Orlando still has a lot of leverage. At the end of the day it's the Jags who don't have a home for an entire season. Orlando loses nothing if they don't get the games. The Jags, if they don't try to help Orlando out, most likely forever lose any chance to develop a fan base in the largest city in the U.S. without an NFL team. The Jags will need Orlando for that season far more than Orlando needs the Jags and that's where Orlando has the leverage. Whether Orlando uses it or not is another question, but they should. No Orlando can bid on the Jags playing there if they want. The Shield has all the leverage and makes the decision. Heck they control a day of the week. what does Orlando control? A run down stadium?

Gainesville is not a great option for the Jags outside of proximity. The Jags would play second fiddle to the Gators, the natural grass field would be torn up and even ion the Jags average 60,000, that means the stadium is 1/3 empty. Never mind the lack of hotels in the area. Err keep telling yourself that.

So, in Summary,
The city is paying 55% of the renovation cost and the Jags agree to play their home games here. (except for one in London) The Jags could play one additional home game every four years overseas, but only if the NFL dictates and only during seasons in which the Jaguars have nine home games.
That is the contract.

You implied going to Orlando would ensure they would not relocate. We have a non relocation clause so no value to that argument.

You threatened to get us off channel 6.  That channel is not locally controlled and indirectly by Blackrock (Larry Fink)  Who is begging to invest 10% in a team. Go for it guy is all I can say.

I checked with Kahn, he is ok if you do not like him.

I ask again do you normally have these visions of grandeur or is this a one time thing?

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Whatever.

Exactly

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Khan doesn't need to win over the Orlando market. 

And the city or O has no leverage in the opportunity to have the Jaguars bring them 50-60K visitors six times in a few months time. They have the freedom to negotiate a fair deal in stadium improvement and prep. That's about it. 

It would be a welcome boon of tourist dollars spent in the local economy. No city wants to scare that away by overstepping in the fashion you describe.

You do realize that Orlando is the third most popular U.S. city for tourism behind NYC and Vegas right? Maybe tied with Miami for third (even though the Orlando International Airport is now the busiest airport in Florida, bypassing Miami International Airport several years ago). Orlando doesn't need the exposure. Orlando is far more known outside of Florida than Jacksonville, that is for sure.

Out of those 50-60k visitors for probably seven regular season games (assuming one regular season game in London as usual for the Jags), how many will just be Jags fans from Jacksonville and North Florida that will drive in the day of the game, tailgate for a few hours, go to the game and then immediately leave? Those are fans that will spend little to no money in the local economy and actually are a net drain on the local economy due having to staff the stadium and having police/emergency personnel for medical emergencies, traffic and security. 

It's the same reason that most of the time, the major bowl games in Orlando do not want the Gators or Seminoles and prefer out of state teams. Gator or Seminole fans drive in the day of the game, park, go to the game, and then leave. Outside of maybe filling up the gas tank getting out of town and paying for parking, they offer next to no economic benefit for the city. 

But please, tell me how it will be an economic boom for the city when most people attending will be Jags fans from Jacksonville and North Florida. Fans that won't be staying in Orlando hotels, that won't be going to Orlando restaurants and bars and would probably do nothing else than maybe go to the theme parks if they come a day early. 

Orlando can get far more lucrative events. You all way overvalue what you are. The Jags are one of the smallest and worst organizations in the NFL. You all are here acting like you're the Chiefs, Cowboys, Steelers or Packers. If you were one of those teams, or even a far amount of other NFL teams, then your argument would hold water. Orlando is essentially doing the Jags a huge favor if they allow the Jags to play the 2027 season in Jacksonville and get nothing out of it other than some stadium improvements. The Jags would be getting a steal of a deal over Orlando which I don't want to see happen.

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So, in Summary,
The city is paying 55% of the renovation cost and the Jags agree to play their home games here. (except for one in London) The Jags could play one additional home game every four years overseas, but only if the NFL dictates and only during seasons in which the Jaguars have nine home games.
That is the contract.

You implied going to Orlando would ensure they would not relocate. We have a non relocation clause so no value to that argument.

You threatened to get us off channel 6.  That channel is not locally controlled and indirectly by Blackrock (Larry Fink)  Who is begging to invest 10% in a team. Go for it guy is all I can say.

I checked with Kahn, he is ok if you do not like him.

I ask again do you normally have these visions of grandeur or is this a one time thing?

You mean the same channel 6 that has had to routinely in the past apologize to its viewers for showing a Jags game over a more competitive game? A channel 6 that loses money when they have to show the Jags because people switch to another game or just another channel in general. Yes trying to force feed the Jags in Orlando has caused a fair amount of bitterness towards the Jags in Orlando. Great way not to expand your fanbase between Jacksonville and far North Florida

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The Orlando market is finally getting more Jaguars friendly. You don't hear about WKMG airing those week long apologies anymore and you see more people around town with Jaguars gear. Just took time and some winning seasons. Bortles probably helped a lot.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

Khan doesn't need to win over the Orlando market. 

And the city or O has no leverage in the opportunity to have the Jaguars bring them 50-60K visitors six times in a few months time. They have the freedom to negotiate a fair deal in stadium improvement and prep. That's about it. 

It would be a welcome boon of tourist dollars spent in the local economy. No city wants to scare that away by overstepping in the fashion you describe.

You do realize that Orlando is the third most popular U.S. city for tourism behind NYC and Vegas right? Maybe tied with Miami for third (even though the Orlando International Airport is now the busiest airport in Florida, bypassing Miami International Airport several years ago). Orlando doesn't need the exposure. Orlando is far more known outside of Florida than Jacksonville, that is for sure.

Out of those 50-60k visitors for probably seven regular season games (assuming one regular season game in London as usual for the Jags), how many will just be Jags fans from Jacksonville and North Florida that will drive in the day of the game, tailgate for a few hours, go to the game and then immediately leave? Those are fans that will spend little to no money in the local economy and actually are a net drain on the local economy due having to staff the stadium and having police/emergency personnel for medical emergencies, traffic and security. 

It's the same reason that most of the time, the major bowl games in Orlando do not want the Gators or Seminoles and prefer out of state teams. Gator or Seminole fans drive in the day of the game, park, go to the game, and then leave. Outside of maybe filling up the gas tank getting out of town and paying for parking, they offer next to no economic benefit for the city. 

But please, tell me how it will be an economic boom for the city when most people attending will be Jags fans from Jacksonville and North Florida. Fans that won't be staying in Orlando hotels, that won't be going to Orlando restaurants and bars and would probably do nothing else than maybe go to the theme parks if they come a day early. 

Orlando can get far more lucrative events. You all way overvalue what you are. The Jags are one of the smallest and worst organizations in the NFL. You all are here acting like you're the Chiefs, Cowboys, Steelers or Packers. If you were one of those teams, or even a far amount of other NFL teams, then your argument would hold water. Orlando is essentially doing the Jags a huge favor if they allow the Jags to play the 2027 season in Jacksonville and get nothing out of it other than some stadium improvements. The Jags would be getting a steal of a deal over Orlando which I don't want to see happen.

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So, in Summary,
The city is paying 55% of the renovation cost and the Jags agree to play their home games here. (except for one in London) The Jags could play one additional home game every four years overseas, but only if the NFL dictates and only during seasons in which the Jaguars have nine home games.
That is the contract.

You implied going to Orlando would ensure they would not relocate. We have a non relocation clause so no value to that argument.

You threatened to get us off channel 6.  That channel is not locally controlled and indirectly by Blackrock (Larry Fink)  Who is begging to invest 10% in a team. Go for it guy is all I can say.

I checked with Kahn, he is ok if you do not like him.

I ask again do you normally have these visions of grandeur or is this a one time thing?

You mean the same channel 6 that has had to routinely in the past apologize to its viewers for showing a Jags game over a more competitive game? A channel 6 that loses money when they have to show the Jags because people switch to another game or just another channel in general. Yes trying to force feed the Jags in Orlando has caused a fair amount of bitterness towards the Jags in Orlando. Great way not to expand your fanbase between Jacksonville and far North Florida

While we appreciate your feigned concern for us expanding our fan base, we are doing quite fine by ourselves. However you deciding to post here has nothing to do with that. I guess that for the last 30 years the Jags have been living rent free in you head as they chose Jax instead of Orlando. Look forward to another 30 ...

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Khan doesn't need to win over the Orlando market. 

And the city or O has no leverage in the opportunity to have the Jaguars bring them 50-60K visitors six times in a few months time. They have the freedom to negotiate a fair deal in stadium improvement and prep. That's about it. 

It would be a welcome boon of tourist dollars spent in the local economy. No city wants to scare that away by overstepping in the fashion you describe.

You do realize that Orlando is the third most popular U.S. city for tourism behind NYC and Vegas right? Maybe tied with Miami for third (even though the Orlando International Airport is now the busiest airport in Florida, bypassing Miami International Airport several years ago). Orlando doesn't need the exposure. Orlando is far more known outside of Florida than Jacksonville, that is for sure.

Out of those 50-60k visitors for probably seven regular season games (assuming one regular season game in London as usual for the Jags), how many will just be Jags fans from Jacksonville and North Florida that will drive in the day of the game, tailgate for a few hours, go to the game and then immediately leave? Those are fans that will spend little to no money in the local economy and actually are a net drain on the local economy due having to staff the stadium and having police/emergency personnel for medical emergencies, traffic and security. 

It's the same reason that most of the time, the major bowl games in Orlando do not want the Gators or Seminoles and prefer out of state teams. Gator or Seminole fans drive in the day of the game, park, go to the game, and then leave. Outside of maybe filling up the gas tank getting out of town and paying for parking, they offer next to no economic benefit for the city. 

But please, tell me how it will be an economic boom for the city when most people attending will be Jags fans from Jacksonville and North Florida. Fans that won't be staying in Orlando hotels, that won't be going to Orlando restaurants and bars and would probably do nothing else than maybe go to the theme parks if they come a day early. 

Orlando can get far more lucrative events. You all way overvalue what you are. The Jags are one of the smallest and worst organizations in the NFL. You all are here acting like you're the Chiefs, Cowboys, Steelers or Packers. If you were one of those teams, or even a far amount of other NFL teams, then your argument would hold water. Orlando is essentially doing the Jags a huge favor if they allow the Jags to play the 2027 season in Jacksonville and get nothing out of it other than some stadium improvements. The Jags would be getting a steal of a deal over Orlando which I don't want to see happen.

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LOL

Sorry you are disillusioned about the way a city's board of tourism views an influx of 50K+ visitors 6 or 7 times a year.

I work closely with a tourism board in another county in FL concerning bringing visitors to the county via events. 

There is MUCH money to be made. And they value it immensely. 

That stadium sits dormant for a disturbingly long portion of the year and anyone with a brain would view this as an amazing opportunity to both improve it and utilize its wasted potential. 

The Jags coming to Orlando for a season would be a gift. 

You can make up a bunch of phony stipulations the city might impose should they have this imaginary leverage all you'd like. But its nonsense. 

Orlando would benefit from the money the Jags contribute to facility improvements and from the out of county FL -  and out-of-state visitors the games would draw. 

End of story.

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Troll or dip [BLEEP]? You decide.

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Troll or dip [BLEEP]?  You decide.

yes

the answer is yes

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Troll or dip [BLEEP]?  You decide.

Can't he be both?

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