I think for some it's just become their default reaction. He's become the figure of blame for anything and everything. Trevor lost us the game. Trevor got overpaid. Trevor isn't good enough yet ignoring the mountain of problems we have and should somehow single handedly overcome it all.

You know how it's true? they give other teams QB's a pass for the exact same things and only focus on their good plays and use that as an excuse to knock Trevor.

He's actually played really well the last 2 games.

Gabe Davis sucks. I don’t care that he scored twice. He sucks.

ETN can go kick rocks too. Remember when some were claiming he was elite? He’s not. 

Kirk is dropping passes. Engram fumble. BTJ dropped a pass but he gets a pass because he’s been the only bright spot in the receiving room all year. He’s legit.

I'm 100% with you. Gabe's 2 TD catches are catches any WR should be making. The drops were killers and he's hurting this team.

Etienne looks so off it right now. I don't know if it's confidence or what but he's not breaking tackles and he's making mistakes too. 

Kirk has moments but isn't that reliable big time target he has been. Engram did OK but that fumble was an absolute killer.

BTJ is legit. Sadly we keep freezing him out for 2 Q's a game then when we are behind deep start calling his number again.

QB's need confidence in their WR's and they aren't giving him any reason right now. And Trevor gets the criticism. Make it make sense!

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I saw Mac Jones on the stat sheet - did Trevor get hurt this game?

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I saw Mac Jones on the stat sheet - did Trevor get hurt this game?

No he got sat for last few mins with game out of reach.

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I saw Mac Jones on the stat sheet - did Trevor get hurt this game?

No he got sat for last few mins with game out of reach.

Hmm, not sure I like that decision from the coaches unless we benched the other starters too.

Because it doesn't seem like Trevor played bad (based off his stat line) - unless I'm wrong in this analysis..?

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No he got sat for last few mins with game out of reach.

Hmm, not sure I like that decision from the coaches unless we benched the other starters too.

Because it doesn't seem like Trevor played bad (based off his stat line) - unless I'm wrong in this analysis..?

Trevor had taken a few hits but nothing serious. Think they just thought it wasn't worth the risk and the game was over. I'm not 100% but think a few came out. 

Trevor played pretty well. Just fell into a bad hole 2nd Q and mistakes and drops kept the O off the field and the D couldn't get a stop.

Got a few scores in the 4th to make it look closer but game was over by the end of the 3rd Q.

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No he got sat for last few mins with game out of reach.

Hmm, not sure I like that decision from the coaches unless we benched the other starters too.

Because it doesn't seem like Trevor played bad (based off his stat line) - unless I'm wrong in this analysis..?

No point in keeping Trevor in there to risk injury with the game out of reach. Mac played like 3 snaps and one was still a sack.

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Hmm, not sure I like that decision from the coaches unless we benched the other starters too.

Because it doesn't seem like Trevor played bad (based off his stat line) - unless I'm wrong in this analysis..?

Trevor had taken a few hits but nothing serious. Think they just thought it wasn't worth the risk and the game was over. I'm not 100% but think a few came out. 

Trevor played pretty well. Just fell into a bad hole 2nd Q and mistakes and drops kept the O off the field and the D couldn't get a stop.

Got a few scores in the 4th to make it look closer but game was over by the end of the 3rd Q.

The Engram fumble was bad and really hurt, but the Darby penalties were the official killer. Stopped them 3 times on 3rd down to give the ball back to Lawrence only down 11 with plenty of time left. But no, 2 defensive holding penalties by Darby on one drive giving them 2 free 1st downs and ultimately a TD. They went up 18 and that was ball game.

3 penalties on that one series.

Travon Walker sack on 3rd and 8... 12 men on the field penalty took away the sack and gave them 5 yards plus another chance on 3rd down. They would of had to punt.

The very next play on 3rd and 3 after the 12 men penalty, Incomplete pass, but Darby gives them a free 1st down due to holding. They should have punted again.

3 plays later, 3rd and 10. Short pass completed for only 1 yard. Would have forced them into a long Field Goal attempt, but nope another defensive holding by Darby. Free 1st down.

3 plays later, TD and game.

Lawrence and the Offense should have gotten the ball back with 3ish minutes left in the 3rd quarter. In what would have been a 10-21 score game.

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Trevor had taken a few hits but nothing serious. Think they just thought it wasn't worth the risk and the game was over. I'm not 100% but think a few came out. 

Trevor played pretty well. Just fell into a bad hole 2nd Q and mistakes and drops kept the O off the field and the D couldn't get a stop.

Got a few scores in the 4th to make it look closer but game was over by the end of the 3rd Q.

The Engram fumble was bad and really hurt, but the Darby penalties were the official killer. Stopped them 3 times on 3rd down to give the ball back to Lawrence only down 11 with plenty of time left. But no, 2 defensive holding penalties by Darby on one drive giving them 2 free 1st downs and ultimately a TD. They went up 18 and that was ball game.

3 penalties on that one series.

Travon Walker sack on 3rd and 8... 12 men on the field penalty took away the sack and gave them 5 yards plus another chance on 3rd down. They would of had to punt.

The very next play on 3rd and 3 after the 12 men penalty, Incomplete pass, but Darby gives them a free 1st down due to holding. They should have punted again.

3 plays later, 3rd and 10. Short pass completed for only 1 yard. Would have forced them into a long Field Goal attempt, but nope another defensive holding by Darby. Free 1st down.

3 plays later, TD and game.

Lawrence and the Offense should have gotten the ball back with 3ish minutes left in the 3rd quarter. In what would have been a 10-21 score game.

That's a lot of woulda coulda shouldas....

This team is lost because the HC is lost.  Dude was crying on camera.  Go look it up.  Pederson is washed.

Flush him and flush Baalke.  But let's not forget that this offense looked off even in 2023.  Pederson gave up on 2023.  He wanted to let his boys run the team and he could just sit around and play tetris and eat cheetos.  Baalke is a bad GM.  But Pederson is a washed HC.

EDIT: Guys, we had a potentially great QB. And Pederson gave it all away to his lackey. It's time to cut the cord on Pederson and get a real HC that wants to develop a team. Pederson isn't the answer.

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"LaWrEnCe iS ThE PrObLeM HeRp DeRp!"
https://twitter.com/Nate_Tice/status/184...0709701820

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Jags WR's do not help out TLaw. Dropped passes, fumbles, inability to create separation. BTJ is the only decent one of the bunch.

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It's funny seeing people blame Lawrence for today, but they can't give any reasons why. I'd love for them to try and point out all of the bad from Lawrence today, but they know they can't.

He underthrew BTJ on one throw and forced an INT late trying to make magic happen. That's it.

He wasn't out there dropping TDs. He wasn't fumbling the ball. He wasn't committing multiple False Start penalties. He wasn't blowing Coverage assignments and he sure as [BLEEP] wasn't giving up free 1st downs on stupid [BLEEP] Defensive Holding penalties.

https://twitter.com/barbour_mike/status/...915L-t18Xg

3 of those 4 drops were on the same drive if I’m not mistaken and we were down by 25. We should have never been in that position to begin with is the point. 

I’ve been there with the excuses for TL for the last 3 years. It reaches a point where I’ve just heard enough. The guy definitely is not an elite QB and by year 4 he doesn't look like he ever will be. If he didn’t have his pedigree coming out of college and was a mid first round pick he would have been cut or traded by now. 

Just wait until his extension kicks in. We think it’s bad now with it’s probably only going to get worse.

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https://twitter.com/barbour_mike/status/...915L-t18Xg

3 of those 4 drops were on the same drive if I’m not mistaken and we were down by 25. We should have never been in that position to begin with is the point. 

This is a very good point.

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https://youtu.be/q9bQn3qswmg?si=0UBivURSxiyYzpwd

Don’t have a spare ten minutes? The answer is TL is playing like a backup and is on his way to being the most expensive bust in NFL history.

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3 of those 4 drops were on the same drive if I’m not mistaken and we were down by 25. We should have never been in that position to begin with is the point. 

This is a very good point.

No, bruh.  That's not a very good point.

Zero should have had 3 TDs.  He only had 2.  And, additionally we wasted precious minutes because of the WR drops in that 4th Quarter drive.  And on top of that, Zero gave up a TD that would have put us up 7-0.  

With this poorly coached team, a 7-0 lead may have very well led to more confidence to keep with the offensive game plan.  Instead, our coaches decided to go predictable in the 2nd Quarter and we only had 7 plays on offense for the entire 2nd Quarter.  By the time halftime came, the game was over.

This team is too weak to have mistakes like Zero made.  This team is coached by a bum that can't inspire his team to have mental toughness. You're hatred of Trevor Lawrence is approaching maniacal insanity.  There are so many other problems with this team.  

What QB do you think would have been able to win this game?  Seriously.  Think about that.  What QB, with this bum HC, this trash devensive scheme, and all the drops and fumbles, would have won this game?

None.  There's no QB that can win with this franchise as it is currently organized.

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https://twitter.com/barbour_mike/status/...915L-t18Xg

3 of those 4 drops were on the same drive if I’m not mistaken and we were down by 25. We should have never been in that position to begin with is the point. 

I’ve been there with the excuses for TL for the last 3 years. It reaches a point where I’ve just heard enough. The guy definitely is not an elite QB and by year 4 he doesn't look like he ever will be. If he didn’t have his pedigree coming out of college and was a mid first round pick he would have been cut or traded by now. 

Just wait until his extension kicks in. We think it’s bad now with it’s probably only going to get worse.

Correct me if I’m wrong but only 2 were on the same drive

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https://twitter.com/barbour_mike/status/...915L-t18Xg

3 of those 4 drops were on the same drive if I’m not mistaken and we were down by 25. We should have never been in that position to begin with is the point. 

I’ve been there with the excuses for TL for the last 3 years. It reaches a point where I’ve just heard enough. The guy definitely is not an elite QB and by year 4 he doesn't look like he ever will be. If he didn’t have his pedigree coming out of college and was a mid first round pick he would have been cut or traded by now. 

Just wait until his extension kicks in. We think it’s bad now with it’s probably only going to get worse.

Trevor was 16-19 half way through the 3rd quarter with 2 TDs... Two of those incompletions were drops and the 3rd was a throw away... That's his fault though right?

You're an idiot and don't know what you're watching. And honestly, I know you aren't watching. If you were watching, that makes it even worse because it confirms you have zero clue about what you're actually watching.

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3 of those 4 drops were on the same drive if I’m not mistaken and we were down by 25. We should have never been in that position to begin with is the point. 

I’ve been there with the excuses for TL for the last 3 years. It reaches a point where I’ve just heard enough. The guy definitely is not an elite QB and by year 4 he doesn't look like he ever will be. If he didn’t have his pedigree coming out of college and was a mid first round pick he would have been cut or traded by now. 

Just wait until his extension kicks in. We think it’s bad now with it’s probably only going to get worse.

Trevor was 16-19 half way through the 3rd quarter with 2 TDs... Two of those incompletions were drops and the 3rd was a throw away... That's his fault though right?

You're an idiot and don't know what you're watching. And honestly, I know you aren't watching. If you were watching, that makes it even worse because it confirms you have zero clue about what you're actually watching.

I was just coming on to make this exact point, I was at the game so haven’t watched it back and may have missed some things but as said above, when your down 21-3 and your only incompletions are drops and a throw away, there’s something wrong other than the qb, Trevor didn’t really put a foot wrong outside of two throws, and the interception it’s 3rd and long down by 18 with 10 mins left every qb in the league tries forcing one there if they’re still trying to win. Not going to get hung up on that.

Trevor’s been far from perfect this season but today was in no way on him. I genuinely think he’s going to be out Mathew  Stafford where we under appreciate him for 10 years before letting him go to an organisation capable of functioning where we’ll see what he really is

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I completely understand. Dude needs to stop bouncing passes off guys face masks and making his players fumble.

Did I say he was the only problem? 

You have to be blind to think his play isn’t a major problem at this point. I get it we’re stuck with him but I’ve lost all confidence and no longer believe he will ever get it done.

So here's a silly idea.

Late in the game, there was a short throw, hit a defender in the back. Bad, yes, I know.

But why in the heck aren't we getting our WR in the mindset to slow/stop your route, get completely bowled over by the pursuing DB and take the free yards via flag? That defender had zero clue where the ball was, and if the WR tries to come back to the ball it's the easiest yards we get all game.  You see so many other teams take advantage of that kind of mental lapse on D, but our guys just dejectedly sigh and return to the huddle.

Am I expecting too much?

He put so many balls right on his guys, they were just not on their game. And for some, that's their everyday state of being. It's tiring. I'm sure Trevor is equally frustrated when he's on the mark and the other guys are showing off hands of granite.

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Still confused about the Trevor hate. He's clearly not the issue here.

The ball is in his hands most, so he's the easy scapegoat.

He was not the probem, but a full season of this ineptitude might destroy any confidence he has left.

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Still confused about the Trevor hate. He's clearly not the issue here.

He's not. He's had his moments, for sure, however, again, in the grand scheme of things? He's the far cry of it all. The issues right now are squarely on the defense not improving after we were sold a bill of goods from Pederson last year that it was mostly Caldwell's fault. 

Nielsen has proven him to be a liar in this regard. Baalke's spending on that side of the football along with the top heavy draft investments over there have also done him no favors. The inconsistencies also continue to show up for this offense. 

One week the pass protection is there, and it enables Lawrence to get into a confidence trick with his pocket awareness, and then the next, it's a little rough. Today there was also no run game. Which exposed a lot of issues on offense. It also does him no favors when people are dropping touchdown passes or putting the football on the ground after a big play. 

This team is poorly coached, and, again, the fact that Cisco outright said guys "Quit" today? That's a death sentence for Pederson in my opinion. Not a matter of if anymore. It's when. Cisco just told on you. Cisco just said the quiet part out loud. Cisco just basically validated what that "amateur" journalist said a few weeks ago about him losing the locker room. 

There's a mole or two in the locker room. It's a leauge filled with young guys that grew up on Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat and Tiktok. They all love to spill the tea amongst themselves. They can't help it.

Kinda wonder if Cisco calling them out is the kick in the pants some of the guys need that the coaches should be doing, but aren't.

I read the quote before I watched the game, and I didn't see a lot of quit out there, although I wondered if this was a jab at Darby for his two straight holding calls, Lloyd for 'walking' after Kmet on his first TD?

I've been saying for a while that this team needs some angry. I don't think Doug or Tlaw are the kind that are gonna get onto you like a drill sergeant from Hades, but some of these guys probably need that angry chip on their should to get them motivated and out of their comfort zone.

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