I have zero confidence that they can beat the Eagles but it is the NFL and any given Sunday. That’s basically what we have for the rest of the year.

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I'm condescending. That means I talk down to you. 
Check out the Jag's Forum Alternative: Duval Football Fans.

One of the worst defenses in franchise history, along with one of the worst defensive coordinators.

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NFL record low for turnovers in a season is 9, we have 4 in 8 games. We might add to our records of suckage.

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Jalen is going to tear us a new one

You misspelled Swift.

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Can we leave Doug in Philly where we found him?

Ah yes, the kiffining. Fired on the tarmac.

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remember the nfl is fixed,and scripted, as crazy as this will sound i can see nfl fixing this game for doug cause he has a Statue outside in philadelphia. I wouldn't be surprised if nfl fixed it for  doug to win.

Which Doug is more hollow inside at present?

Would be fitting if the statue rusted and crumbled some time before the first half expires. Some maintenance guy name Larry or Trev or something spends the next 30 minutes frantically trying to keep the statue standing, but every time he fixes one part, another flakes apart and he's right back where he started.

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Another loss and they should start the firings.

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Too early in the week for me to comment. All I would do right now is cue the little kid from "A league of their own" saying your gonna lose, your gonna lose....

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A new broom always sweeps clean.

Most of us are sad
No one lets it show
I've been shadows of myself
How was I to know?

Tell me, scarlet sun,
What will time allow?
We have brought our children here
Who can save them now?

Weeping woman, try to smile
Like the coming dawn
Most of us are sad, it's true
Still we must go on

Love was here today
Oh the sun was bright
I will sing you faraway
Love is here tonight

Most of us are sad
No one lets it show
I've been shadows of myself
How was I to know?

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Jalen is going to tear us a new one

You misspelled Swift.

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Can we leave Doug in Philly where we found him?

Ah yes, the kiffining. Fired on the tarmac.

It’s the Saquan show now and he will be this weeks fantasy football MVP

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Jags surprise. Jags have more problems with passing teams.

Go jags! Let’s try to enjoy football.

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I said in another thread before that the 4 games leading up to the bye week I didn't see a win, and I still feel the same way.  This team just has me perplexed.  It's not lack of talent, they have talented players that are capable of winning.  I don't buy the "coaching" narrative either.  It just seems to me that the team can't seem to put 4 quarters of solid football together.  If they can figure that out they can beat nearly any team.

I didn't expect them to beat the Packers, in fact I was expecting a blow out loss.  The one nice thing was seeing them keep the game close and having a chance to pull off a win.  I don't see the same thing happening against the Eagles.  I don't see a close game at all and expect a really bad loss.

I predict that Pederson is fired during the bye, but I have no idea who could step in as an interim HC.

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world.  Those who understand binary and those who don't.

I said in another thread before that the 4 games leading up to the bye week I didn't see a win, and I still feel the same way.  This team just has me perplexed.  It's not lack of talent, they have talented players that are capable of winning.  I don't buy the "coaching" narrative either.  It just seems to me that the team can't seem to put 4 quarters of solid football together.  If they can figure that out they can beat nearly any team.

I didn't expect them to beat the Packers, in fact I was expecting a blow out loss.  The one nice thing was seeing them keep the game close and having a chance to pull off a win.  I don't see the same thing happening against the Eagles.  I don't see a close game at all and expect a really bad loss.

I predict that Pederson is fired during the bye, but I have no idea who could step in as an interim HC.

I agree with the bolded above but when that problem lingers across two seasons for 16 games - don't you have to begin to look at coaching for being unable to correct it?

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I said in another thread before that the 4 games leading up to the bye week I didn't see a win, and I still feel the same way.  This team just has me perplexed.  It's not lack of talent, they have talented players that are capable of winning.  I don't buy the "coaching" narrative either.  It just seems to me that the team can't seem to put 4 quarters of solid football together.  If they can figure that out they can beat nearly any team.

I didn't expect them to beat the Packers, in fact I was expecting a blow out loss.  The one nice thing was seeing them keep the game close and having a chance to pull off a win.  I don't see the same thing happening against the Eagles.  I don't see a close game at all and expect a really bad loss.

I predict that Pederson is fired during the bye, but I have no idea who could step in as an interim HC.

I agree with the bolded above but when that problem lingers across two seasons for 16 games - don't you have to begin to look at coaching for being unable to correct it?

"We have to get bigger and stronger."

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

I remember the time when the Jags were known for their defense.
Those days are long gone.
all we can do is wait for Shad to make his move.

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Because Jaguars is our mantra 

I said in another thread before that the 4 games leading up to the bye week I didn't see a win, and I still feel the same way.  This team just has me perplexed.  It's not lack of talent, they have talented players that are capable of winning.  I don't buy the "coaching" narrative either.  It just seems to me that the team can't seem to put 4 quarters of solid football together.  If they can figure that out they can beat nearly any team.

I didn't expect them to beat the Packers, in fact I was expecting a blow out loss.  The one nice thing was seeing them keep the game close and having a chance to pull off a win.  I don't see the same thing happening against the Eagles.  I don't see a close game at all and expect a really bad loss.

I predict that Pederson is fired during the bye, but I have no idea who could step in as an interim HC.

I agree with the bolded above but when that problem lingers across two seasons for 16 games - don't you have to begin to look at coaching for being unable to correct it?

In my opinion coaches can only "preach" so much to the team.  I think it comes down to players calling each other out and holding each other accountable.  How else can coaching correct the problem?  Bench players?

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world.  Those who understand binary and those who don't.

I agree with the bolded above but when that problem lingers across two seasons for 16 games - don't you have to begin to look at coaching for being unable to correct it?

In my opinion coaches can only "preach" so much to the team.  I think it comes down to players calling each other out and holding each other accountable.  How else can coaching correct the problem?  Bench players?

I'm not an NFL coach so I can't tell you all of the methodologies of the successful head coaches, but the good ones don't tend to experience stretches of 16 games wherein they can't get their starters to eliminate mistakes enough to win more than 20% of their games. 

I mean - it is literally their job to coach better performance out of these kids. That is not happening in Jacksonville right now.

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I said in another thread before that the 4 games leading up to the bye week I didn't see a win, and I still feel the same way.  This team just has me perplexed.  It's not lack of talent, they have talented players that are capable of winning.  I don't buy the "coaching" narrative either.  It just seems to me that the team can't seem to put 4 quarters of solid football together.  If they can figure that out they can beat nearly any team.

I didn't expect them to beat the Packers, in fact I was expecting a blow out loss.  The one nice thing was seeing them keep the game close and having a chance to pull off a win.  I don't see the same thing happening against the Eagles.  I don't see a close game at all and expect a really bad loss.

I predict that Pederson is fired during the bye, but I have no idea who could step in as an interim HC.

So if it's not the players and it's not the coaches....

I don't hate Pederson but it's clear that whatever he's doing, it's not working. The team is 3-11 in it's last 14 games. And if you don't buy the coaching narrative then what is the reason for even having a HC? Just have the players go out there and figure it out.

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In my opinion coaches can only "preach" so much to the team.  I think it comes down to players calling each other out and holding each other accountable.  How else can coaching correct the problem?  Bench players?

I'm not an NFL coach so I can't tell you all of the methodologies of the successful head coaches, but the good ones don't tend to experience stretches of 16 games wherein they can't get their starters to eliminate mistakes enough to win more than 20% of their games. 

I mean - it is literally their job to coach better performance out of these kids. That is not happening in Jacksonville right now.

I agree with you somewhat.  I think Pederson is probably fired during the bye week since I don't see any wins between now and then.  It's not always "fair" or "the right thing to do" in my opinion, but the Captain of the ship is always the one that has the ultimate responsibility and is always the one held most accountable.

I still think that it's more of a "player problem" rather than coaching, and it's not lack of talent.  I think that players will listen and respond better to their peers over the coaches.  When I say that players need to "call each other out" or hold each other accountable, it doesn't need to be a public thing.  I'm not sure how to motivate players to do it, and I don't think that the coaches know either.

Again when/if Pederson if fired during the bye week, who steps in as the interim of long term solution?

Back to the topic of this thread, I kind of hope that the Jaguars can keep it somewhat close and not lose in a huge blowout.  That being said I see a 42-10 type of game coming up that won't be pleasant.

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world.  Those who understand binary and those who don't.

I'm not an NFL coach so I can't tell you all of the methodologies of the successful head coaches, but the good ones don't tend to experience stretches of 16 games wherein they can't get their starters to eliminate mistakes enough to win more than 20% of their games. 

I mean - it is literally their job to coach better performance out of these kids. That is not happening in Jacksonville right now.

I agree with you somewhat.  I think Pederson is probably fired during the bye week since I don't see any wins between now and then.  It's not always "fair" or "the right thing to do" in my opinion, but the Captain of the ship is always the one that has the ultimate responsibility and is always the one held most accountable.

I still think that it's more of a "player problem" rather than coaching, and it's not lack of talent.  I think that players will listen and respond better to their peers over the coaches.  When I say that players need to "call each other out" or hold each other accountable, it doesn't need to be a public thing.  I'm not sure how to motivate players to do it, and I don't think that the coaches know either.

Again when/if Pederson if fired during the bye week, who steps in as the interim of long term solution?

Back to the topic of this thread, I kind of hope that the Jaguars can keep it somewhat close and not lose in a huge blowout.  That being said I see a 42-10 type of game coming up that won't be pleasant.

If I may...

So if it's a player problem, but it's not the lack of talent, then what exactly is the player problem you speak of?  

I think many of us forget that these are not true "professionals" like in the real world.  These are kids playing a game.  They are not highly educated, highly trained, business professionals.  Hell, on the 53 man squad of these Jaguars, there's only 6 dudes 30 years old or older.  And the oldest dudes are only 32.

Most these kids are in their early to mid 20s.  20 year old kids aren't mature professionals.  Especially since they play a game for a living and many of them have been pretty much sheltered from everything most of their lives based on their talents as football players.

Coaches are absolutely important in focusing, motivating, and training these kids to be the best they can be.  Coaches at this level make the difference between 2-6 with your season over and 4-4 and still in the playoff hunt.  In my opinion, of course.

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I agree with you somewhat.  I think Pederson is probably fired during the bye week since I don't see any wins between now and then.  It's not always "fair" or "the right thing to do" in my opinion, but the Captain of the ship is always the one that has the ultimate responsibility and is always the one held most accountable.

I still think that it's more of a "player problem" rather than coaching, and it's not lack of talent.  I think that players will listen and respond better to their peers over the coaches.  When I say that players need to "call each other out" or hold each other accountable, it doesn't need to be a public thing.  I'm not sure how to motivate players to do it, and I don't think that the coaches know either.

Again when/if Pederson if fired during the bye week, who steps in as the interim of long term solution?

Back to the topic of this thread, I kind of hope that the Jaguars can keep it somewhat close and not lose in a huge blowout.  That being said I see a 42-10 type of game coming up that won't be pleasant.

If I may...

So if it's a player problem, but it's not the lack of talent, then what exactly is the player problem you speak of?  

I think many of us forget that these are not true "professionals" like in the real world.  These are kids playing a game.  They are not highly educated, highly trained, business professionals.  Hell, on the 53 man squad of these Jaguars, there's only 6 dudes 30 years old or older.  And the oldest dudes are only 32.

Most these kids are in their early to mid 20s.  20 year old kids aren't mature professionals.  Especially since they play a game for a living and many of them have been pretty much sheltered from everything most of their lives based on their talents as football players.

Coaches are absolutely important in focusing, motivating, and training these kids to be the best they can be.  Coaches at this level make the difference between 2-6 with your season over and 4-4 and still in the playoff hunt.  In my opinion, of course.

This isn't hard.

Players make mistakes and fail to execute assignments - and they do these things despite coaches drilling them on all of them during camp and practices.

Too much of that crap and you end up right about where we are. 

Combine that with talent gaps in a few key places and coaches that can't find ways to get better performance from the guys screwing up and you're exactly where we are.

We could go on and on trying to pin blame on different players or coaches - but at this point it is a complete organizational failure. They have a mountain of losses dating back to week 11 or 12 of last year from this.

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