Defense lost the game not Lawrence, but the turnovers hurt especially since they scored off them of course.

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I was gonna reply to him as well.  I'll just bold what you said, because it's dead on correct.

When Pederson is (hopefully) fired, the Jaguars will be the most enticing job opening for both a HC and a GM.  And that is because of Lawrence.  Of the teams that are going to potentially fire thier HC's, Trevor Lawrence is head and shoulders the best QB.  On top of that, the college QBs that will make up the 2025 draft class don't look that impressive.  This is a down year for drafting a college QB, many believe.  

Unless the Bengals fire their Taylor and/or the Bears fire Eberfluse (or however you spell his name), Lawrence is the best QB out there for a HC to come and work with.

McCarthy is gonna be fired in Dallas, but there's no young up and coming OC that would want to start their Head Coaching career under the thumb of Jerry Jones.  Plus, I think Lawrence has way more upside that Dak.  So besides Chicago and Cincy, what other potential job opening has a QB that has so much talent and potential than Lawrence?  

We're not in a rebuild, either.  We are in a situation where we make a few changes, specifically on D, and this team is a playoff contender.  And that's mainly because of the offense and out QB, specifically.

Our job will be an attractive one IMO like you mentioned. But I think it is highly dependent on if we get rid of Baalke… he is widely regarded as a GM who is difficult to work with.. and I know most don’t think this but I think we do get rid of everyone. You can only play the same card so much.

To keep this Trevor related after watching all 22 what he did with the injuries sustained is a noteworthy performance. He is improving and with the weapons we will have around him this will become a very attractive job to a potential HC candidate. All QBs make mistakes …. And like it was previously mentioned unlike others we don’t have a defense to bail him out of his. But he put us in position to win this game despite the mistakes against a really good defense. He is stringing together some very impressive games in a row.

At this point I'm praying that every coaching candidate makes firing Baalke a requirement. I mean he only held on because Pederson was the only coach who would work with him, and Pederson is still well regarded around the league. 

I could see none of the HC candidates being okay with him.

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Our job will be an attractive one IMO like you mentioned. But I think it is highly dependent on if we get rid of Baalke… he is widely regarded as a GM who is difficult to work with.. and I know most don’t think this but I think we do get rid of everyone. You can only play the same card so much.

To keep this Trevor related after watching all 22 what he did with the injuries sustained is a noteworthy performance. He is improving and with the weapons we will have around him this will become a very attractive job to a potential HC candidate. All QBs make mistakes …. And like it was previously mentioned unlike others we don’t have a defense to bail him out of his. But he put us in position to win this game despite the mistakes against a really good defense. He is stringing together some very impressive games in a row.

At this point I'm praying that every coaching candidate makes firing Baalke a requirement. I mean he only held on because Pederson was the only coach who would work with him, and Pederson is still well regarded around the league. 

I could see none of the HC candidates being okay with him.

If our owner has figured this whole thing out, Baalke is the first one fired.  He doesn't even need to make it official.  He should be telling Baalke right now that he's not coming back next season.  Shad should be already focusing on finding an Executive that understands the NFL and has a good reputation in the NFL to then consult him on who the next GM should be.  And then he should be targeting HC's that are offensively adept.

This all happens in privacy.  We'll never know as fans. But things should already be in motion to revamp the front office behind closed doors.

If Shad is still on the fence regarding getting rid of the GM and HC after all this, we're cooked.  I hope our Owner is smart enough to know that he needs to already be starting to make moves/decisions to get the best front office available as early as possible.

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Who knows how FO office politics plays out, but it has to be a given to anyone that this regime is over. For us fans, it's now a game of speculating who is moving in this January.

How many of us predicted we would go full-on Jaguars this year? I didn't expect it to be this bad. It's awful. But what makes it especially frustrating is we're not devoid of talent like most of the other dark years. We have the talent to win games, but we simply can't, for whatever reason of the week. Which is the hallmark of a leaderless team. Doug just wants to get high and sit on the beach.

It would be nice if Trevor had the captainship of Peyton Manning. Such a quality could carry this team in difficult games. But in all honesty, not many QBs possess it in such quantities.

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Defense lost the game not Lawrence, but the turnovers hurt especially since they scored off them of course.

The offense inability to get going early is what lost this game.

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Who knows how FO office politics plays out, but it has to be a given to anyone that this regime is over. For us fans, it's now a game of speculating who is moving in this January.

How many of us predicted we would go full-on Jaguars this year? I didn't expect it to be this bad. It's awful. But what makes it especially frustrating is we're not devoid of talent like most of the other dark years. We have the talent to win games, but we simply can't, for whatever reason of the week. Which is the hallmark of a leaderless team. Doug just wants to get high and sit on the beach.

It would be nice if Trevor had the captainship of Peyton Manning. Such a quality could carry this team in difficult games. But in all honesty, not many QBs possess it in such quantities.

Trevor now needs a top 5 defense, a top 5 rushing attack, a top 5 offensive line and a top 5 WR core that doesn't drop passes and leads in explosive plays in order for this team to win. It has to be perfect. We all know this now. It can't be 73 degrees nor 75 degrees, it MUST be 74 degrees at ALL times in order for him to succeed.

Defense lost the game not Lawrence, but the turnovers hurt especially since they scored off them of course.

The offense inability to get going early is what lost this game.

1/9 on 3rd down. An INT gifted to the offense by the defense early, only to be returned right back to sender inside our own 20 that led to 7 points, followed by that fumble inside the 5 yard line that led to another 7 points. 

The defense has been atrocious this year, nobody is arguing this, nobody is defending it. However, again, in the grand scheme of things? Why should I be offended by this defense when it's a new coach and scheme when I can look at the other half of the team and coaching staff and say:

1. Doug Pederson, Press Taylor & Mike McCoy have all been here since day one and it's year three now with the same QB and core trio of players.

2. The offense has been the slow starter, not the defense. The offense was handed three to five punts in the first half as well. They did nothing in return. 

3. The offense continues to turn the football over or kill itself with self inflicted wounds when within striking distance. The ETN fumble, the D'Ernest illegal procedure, the two wide open TD's missed in Houston and the two turnovers in this past Sunday's game, etc. 

Getting awfully tired of one unit being praised or treated like a turd with sprinkles on it while blaming the other unit for the entirety of the team's issues this season. This whole [BLEEP] team. With the exception of Little and Cooke, they all have had moments of dog [BLEEP] out there more than flashes of brilliance. Period.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

Defense lost the game not Lawrence, but the turnovers hurt especially since they scored off them of course.

The offense inability to get going early is what lost this game.

Weird, when you step back and look at it, the packers had the same kind of 1st quarter and yet they did fine from the second quarter on. Not really all that different from the Jags actually, just the perspective of being Jags fans makes it seem worse. Both defenses played well early, both faltered in the second half. Both offenses faltered in the 1st quarter and then looked pretty good after that. Had the Jags won the game the pack fans could be saying the exact same thing you guys are saying.

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Who knows how FO office politics plays out, but it has to be a given to anyone that this regime is over. For us fans, it's now a game of speculating who is moving in this January.

How many of us predicted we would go full-on Jaguars this year? I didn't expect it to be this bad. It's awful. But what makes it especially frustrating is we're not devoid of talent like most of the other dark years. We have the talent to win games, but we simply can't, for whatever reason of the week. Which is the hallmark of a leaderless team. Doug just wants to get high and sit on the beach.

It would be nice if Trevor had the captainship of Peyton Manning. Such a quality could carry this team in difficult games. But in all honesty, not many QBs possess it in such quantities.

Trevor now needs a top 5 defense, a top 5 rushing attack, a top 5 offensive line and a top 5 WR core that doesn't drop passes and leads in explosive plays in order for this team to win. It has to be perfect. We all know this now. It can't be 73 degrees nor 75 degrees, it MUST be 74 degrees at ALL times in order for him to succeed.

Bruh, you're broken. Take a break.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

The offense inability to get going early is what lost this game.

Weird, when you step back and look at it, the packers had the same kind of 1st quarter and yet they did fine from the second quarter on. Not really all that different from the Jags actually, just the perspective of being Jags fans makes it seem worse. Both defenses played well early, both faltered in the second half. Both offenses faltered in the 1st quarter and then looked pretty good after that. Had the Jags won the game the pack fans could be saying the exact same thing you guys are saying.

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Trevor now needs a top 5 defense, a top 5 rushing attack, a top 5 offensive line and a top 5 WR core that doesn't drop passes and leads in explosive plays in order for this team to win. It has to be perfect. We all know this now. It can't be 73 degrees nor 75 degrees, it MUST be 74 degrees at ALL times in order for him to succeed.

Bruh, you're broken. Take a break.

You're in denial. Come on man, join us, one of us, one of us, one of us. LOL.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

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Who knows how FO office politics plays out, but it has to be a given to anyone that this regime is over. For us fans, it's now a game of speculating who is moving in this January.

How many of us predicted we would go full-on Jaguars this year? I didn't expect it to be this bad. It's awful. But what makes it especially frustrating is we're not devoid of talent like most of the other dark years. We have the talent to win games, but we simply can't, for whatever reason of the week. Which is the hallmark of a leaderless team. Doug just wants to get high and sit on the beach.

It would be nice if Trevor had the captainship of Peyton Manning. Such a quality could carry this team in difficult games. But in all honesty, not many QBs possess it in such quantities.

Trevor now needs a top 5 defense, a top 5 rushing attack, a top 5 offensive line and a top 5 WR core that doesn't drop passes and leads in explosive plays in order for this team to win. It has to be perfect. We all know this now. It can't be 73 degrees nor 75 degrees, it MUST be 74 degrees at ALL times in order for him to succeed.

The offense inability to get going early is what lost this game.

1/9 on 3rd down. An INT gifted to the offense by the defense early, only to be returned right back to sender inside our own 20 that led to 7 points, followed by that fumble inside the 5 yard line that led to another 7 points. 

The defense has been atrocious this year, nobody is arguing this, nobody is defending it. However, again, in the grand scheme of things? Why should I be offended by this defense when it's a new coach and scheme when I can look at the other half of the team and coaching staff and say:

1. Doug Pederson, Press Taylor & Mike McCoy have all been here since day one and it's year three now with the same QB and core trio of players.

2. The offense has been the slow starter, not the defense. The offense was handed three to five punts in the first half as well. They did nothing in return. 

3. The offense continues to turn the football over or kill itself with self inflicted wounds when within striking distance. The ETN fumble, the D'Ernest illegal procedure, the two wide open TD's missed in Houston and the two turnovers in this past Sunday's game, etc. 

Getting awfully tired of one unit being praised or treated like a turd with sprinkles on it while blaming the other unit for the entirety of the team's issues this season. This whole [BLEEP] team. With the exception of Little and Cooke, they all have had moments of dog [BLEEP] out there more than flashes of brilliance. Period.

I know you don't like looking at numbers because you said it's for nerds but try this one out. Which one do you think shares more of the blame? The dead last defense or middle of the road offense?

And Trevor doesn't need top 5 anything. How about an average defense? Considering the amount of money and resources poured into the defense, for them to be dead last is the biggest failure of the season by far.

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Trevor now needs a top 5 defense, a top 5 rushing attack, a top 5 offensive line and a top 5 WR core that doesn't drop passes and leads in explosive plays in order for this team to win. It has to be perfect. We all know this now. It can't be 73 degrees nor 75 degrees, it MUST be 74 degrees at ALL times in order for him to succeed.


1/9 on 3rd down. An INT gifted to the offense by the defense early, only to be returned right back to sender inside our own 20 that led to 7 points, followed by that fumble inside the 5 yard line that led to another 7 points. 

The defense has been atrocious this year, nobody is arguing this, nobody is defending it. However, again, in the grand scheme of things? Why should I be offended by this defense when it's a new coach and scheme when I can look at the other half of the team and coaching staff and say:

1. Doug Pederson, Press Taylor & Mike McCoy have all been here since day one and it's year three now with the same QB and core trio of players.

2. The offense has been the slow starter, not the defense. The offense was handed three to five punts in the first half as well. They did nothing in return. 

3. The offense continues to turn the football over or kill itself with self inflicted wounds when within striking distance. The ETN fumble, the D'Ernest illegal procedure, the two wide open TD's missed in Houston and the two turnovers in this past Sunday's game, etc. 

Getting awfully tired of one unit being praised or treated like a turd with sprinkles on it while blaming the other unit for the entirety of the team's issues this season. This whole [BLEEP] team. With the exception of Little and Cooke, they all have had moments of dog [BLEEP] out there more than flashes of brilliance. Period.

I know you don't like looking at numbers because you said it's for nerds but try this one out. Which one do you think shares more of the blame? The dead last defense or middle of the road offense?

And Trevor doesn't need top 5 anything. How about an average defense? Considering the amount of money and resources poured into the defense, for them to be dead last is the biggest failure of the season by far.

Stop it man, he's a top 5 paid QB in the NFL. If he can't win games by himself like Patrick Mahomes is right now then he's the ENTIRE PROBLEM with this dumpster fire franchise.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

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Trevor now needs a top 5 defense, a top 5 rushing attack, a top 5 offensive line and a top 5 WR core that doesn't drop passes and leads in explosive plays in order for this team to win. It has to be perfect. We all know this now. It can't be 73 degrees nor 75 degrees, it MUST be 74 degrees at ALL times in order for him to succeed.


1/9 on 3rd down. An INT gifted to the offense by the defense early, only to be returned right back to sender inside our own 20 that led to 7 points, followed by that fumble inside the 5 yard line that led to another 7 points. 

The defense has been atrocious this year, nobody is arguing this, nobody is defending it. However, again, in the grand scheme of things? Why should I be offended by this defense when it's a new coach and scheme when I can look at the other half of the team and coaching staff and say:

1. Doug Pederson, Press Taylor & Mike McCoy have all been here since day one and it's year three now with the same QB and core trio of players.

2. The offense has been the slow starter, not the defense. The offense was handed three to five punts in the first half as well. They did nothing in return. 

3. The offense continues to turn the football over or kill itself with self inflicted wounds when within striking distance. The ETN fumble, the D'Ernest illegal procedure, the two wide open TD's missed in Houston and the two turnovers in this past Sunday's game, etc. 

Getting awfully tired of one unit being praised or treated like a turd with sprinkles on it while blaming the other unit for the entirety of the team's issues this season. This whole [BLEEP] team. With the exception of Little and Cooke, they all have had moments of dog [BLEEP] out there more than flashes of brilliance. Period.

I know you don't like looking at numbers because you said it's for nerds but try this one out. Which one do you think shares more of the blame? The dead last defense or middle of the road offense?

And Trevor doesn't need top 5 anything. How about an average defense? Considering the amount of money and resources poured into the defense, for them to be dead last is the biggest failure of the season by far.

As I've stated many times, offenses, defenses and special teams don't play in a vacuum.  What happens in one phase affects the other.  It's called complimentary football, coaches reference it a lot and it's usually very important in determining the outcome of games.  The defense and special teams showed up early and provided opportunities for the offense that were not capitalized on.  3rd and 3 becomes 3rd and 8 because of a Gabe Davis false start ([BLEEP] Gabe Davis man) and then on 3rd and 8 we see an incompletion to BTJ and are forced to punt from the Green Bay 48. 

When you punt 70 yards out of bounds to the 2 yard line and your defense holds forcing a return punt to mid field, YOU. HAVE. TO. SCORE. on that opportunity with that field position even if it's just a field goal and we didn't.  

Green Bay then flips the field with a long drive.  Fortunately, the defense makes a play near the goal line for the interception and then we give it right back because 2 receivers were in the same spot at almost the same time and Trevor throws it right to the defender who was allowed to stay put.  I don't think the guys designing the plays are dumb and I don't think they designed a play to have the two receivers in the same spot as they were, so someone was almost certainly out of position for one reason or another.  I look forward to someone looking at the all 22 on this one and determining whether Kirk ran a bad route or if BTJ was slowed down by a defender at some point.

To your point, the defense has clearly been worse than the offense more often than not especially in recent weeks, but everybody owns this.  It's not all one side's fault as you say.  The blame pie doesn't have to be divided up evenly, but everyone gets a slice.  I think this team has the talent to win these games.  We could easily now be 5 and 3 or 6 and 2 if a few plays turn out differently, but I don't mind saying that had we passed on Gabe Davis in free agency and signed someone else or just rolled with the guys we already had on the roster I think with that alone we'd probably have 1 or 2 extra wins.  Dude has been that bad in my mind with the penalties and the drive killing drops and I was one that believed he was a smart, value target to go after at the end of last year and we are now unfortunately stuck with him at least thru next year.  Dude stinks out loud.

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Who knows how FO office politics plays out, but it has to be a given to anyone that this regime is over. For us fans, it's now a game of speculating who is moving in this January.

How many of us predicted we would go full-on Jaguars this year? I didn't expect it to be this bad. It's awful. But what makes it especially frustrating is we're not devoid of talent like most of the other dark years. We have the talent to win games, but we simply can't, for whatever reason of the week. Which is the hallmark of a leaderless team. Doug just wants to get high and sit on the beach.

It would be nice if Trevor had the captainship of Peyton Manning. Such a quality could carry this team in difficult games. But in all honesty, not many QBs possess it in such quantities.

Trevor now needs a top 5 defense, a top 5 rushing attack, a top 5 offensive line and a top 5 WR core that doesn't drop passes and leads in explosive plays in order for this team to win. It has to be perfect. We all know this now. It can't be 73 degrees nor 75 degrees, it MUST be 74 degrees at ALL times in order for him to succeed.

The offense inability to get going early is what lost this game.

1/9 on 3rd down. An INT gifted to the offense by the defense early, only to be returned right back to sender inside our own 20 that led to 7 points, followed by that fumble inside the 5 yard line that led to another 7 points. 

The defense has been atrocious this year, nobody is arguing this, nobody is defending it. However, again, in the grand scheme of things? Why should I be offended by this defense when it's a new coach and scheme when I can look at the other half of the team and coaching staff and say:

1. Doug Pederson, Press Taylor & Mike McCoy have all been here since day one and it's year three now with the same QB and core trio of players.

2. The offense has been the slow starter, not the defense. The offense was handed three to five punts in the first half as well. They did nothing in return. 

3. The offense continues to turn the football over or kill itself with self inflicted wounds when within striking distance. The ETN fumble, the D'Ernest illegal procedure, the two wide open TD's missed in Houston and the two turnovers in this past Sunday's game, etc. 

Getting awfully tired of one unit being praised or treated like a turd with sprinkles on it while blaming the other unit for the entirety of the team's issues this season. This whole [BLEEP] team. With the exception of Little and Cooke, they all have had moments of dog [BLEEP] out there more than flashes of brilliance. Period.

You sound crazy trying to blame Trevor. He has 4 ints and 1 fumble lost this year. Pretty much every single QB in the league has more turnovers than him. And he also ranks inside the top 10 in almost every single rating and statistic. Take a few deep breaths and maybe a day off.

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I know you don't like looking at numbers because you said it's for nerds but try this one out. Which one do you think shares more of the blame? The dead last defense or middle of the road offense?

And Trevor doesn't need top 5 anything. How about an average defense? Considering the amount of money and resources poured into the defense, for them to be dead last is the biggest failure of the season by far.

Stop it man, he's a top 5 paid QB in the NFL. If he can't win games by himself like Patrick Mahomes is right now then he's the ENTIRE PROBLEM with this dumpster fire franchise.

Caldrac specifically said "Again, he's not ALL to blame, but, he's been apart of the problem as well at times. I am disappointed in all of this. We all should be." and "The defense has been atrocious this year, nobody is arguing this, nobody is defending it." 

Look I get it, the Jaguars signed Lawrence to stay around for the next 5 years (including this year) and there's no changing that.  And if defending your starting QB makes you feel better about the future, by all means go right ahead.  I personally have an issue with people acting like anyone who disagrees with your opinion is an idiot/troll/@!#$ &^$%$#.

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Can we leave the personal insults behind for a while and get back to some semblance of topic, gents?
Please, and thank you.

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I know you don't like looking at numbers because you said it's for nerds but try this one out. Which one do you think shares more of the blame? The dead last defense or middle of the road offense?

And Trevor doesn't need top 5 anything. How about an average defense? Considering the amount of money and resources poured into the defense, for them to be dead last is the biggest failure of the season by far.

As I've stated many times, offenses, defenses and special teams don't play in a vacuum.  What happens in one phase affects the other.  It's called complimentary football, coaches reference it a lot and it's usually very important in determining the outcome of games.  The defense and special teams showed up early and provided opportunities for the offense that were not capitalized on.  3rd and 3 becomes 3rd and 8 because of a Gabe Davis false start ([BLEEP] Gabe Davis man) and then on 3rd and 8 we see an incompletion to BTJ and are forced to punt from the Green Bay 48. 

When you punt 70 yards out of bounds to the 2 yard line and your defense holds forcing a return punt to mid field, YOU. HAVE. TO. SCORE. on that opportunity with that field position even if it's just a field goal and we didn't.  

Green Bay then flips the field with a long drive.  Fortunately, the defense makes a play near the goal line for the interception and then we give it right back because 2 receivers were in the same spot at almost the same time and Trevor throws it right to the defender who was allowed to stay put.  I don't think the guys designing the plays are dumb and I don't think they designed a play to have the two receivers in the same spot as they were, so someone was almost certainly out of position for one reason or another.  I look forward to someone looking at the all 22 on this one and determining whether Kirk ran a bad route or if BTJ was slowed down by a defender at some point.

To your point, the defense has clearly been worse than the offense more often than not especially in recent weeks, but everybody owns this.  It's not all one side's fault as you say.  The blame pie doesn't have to be divided up evenly, but everyone gets a slice.  I think this team has the talent to win these games.  We could easily now be 5 and 3 or 6 and 2 if a few plays turn out differently, but I don't mind saying that had we passed on Gabe Davis in free agency and signed someone else or just rolled with the guys we already had on the roster I think with that alone we'd probably have 1 or 2 extra wins.  Dude has been that bad in my mind with the penalties and the drive killing drops and I was one that believed he was a smart, value target to go after at the end of last year and we are now unfortunately stuck with him at least thru next year.  Dude stinks out loud.

I'm not saying the offense is without their faults. Trevor has missed some throws, the WRs drop too many passes and the OL is hit or miss.

But this season is about how absolutely atrocious the defense has been. That's not an exaggeration. They have been so unbelievably bad that if Trevor and the offense don't score 30, they're likely to lose. They have forced 2 turnovers all season. ALL SEASON. You're focusing on this past week but forgot to mention the defense letting the Packers march down the field with Willis after the Jags take the lead? That would be a perfect time to step up and give the offense the ball back to extend the lead. 

Trevor has his faults. No one is denying that. But with all the money dished out and draft picks used on the defense.... for them to be dead last? That's absurd. 

I do agree that everyone has a hand in this mess but the constant discourse every week about if Trevor is good or bad is exhausting. He's good. Point blank. If the Jags said they are open to trading Lawrence, coaches like McVay, Shannahan, KOC etc would be sending 3-4 1st rounders for him. He has been put in one of the most dysfunctional organizations in sports and yet somehow, keeps being a pro. His GM and HC hate each other. They've hated each other since day 1 but Pederson likely put up with Baalke because no one else wanted Pederson. He had the worst HC in history his rookie season. 

This organization has failed Trevor more than anything. He hasn't lived up to his generational tag that was billed but that's on the team.

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And? He also coughed up a fumble inside the 5 and tossed an INT right back to them after being gifted a rare INT from this defense that resulted in 14 points being added to the board. 

I can't get onboard anymore with defending this guy entirely. The dog [BLEEP] starts on offense in Q1 are also on him as well. This team was 1/9 on third down's yesterday. A common theme. 

People gave StroudCrowd hell for stating that Lawrence is damaged goods. While I don't fully agree with that statement, he's not entirely wrong neither. Lawrence's development has been completely stunted by piss poor decision making from ownership, coaching changes and the front office. 

NOBODY should be content with what he's produced so far. 

NOBODY should be looking for silver lining in this [BLEEP] sandwich of a franchise. 

NOBODY should be making excuses for this nonsense after he inked a shiny new $275M deal. Which, by the way, will make it difficult for the next regime to potentially fix this "talented" roster. 

Why is it that C.J Stroud, Jayden Daniels and Caleb Williams all look like they're better prospects right out of the gate compared to what we saw and continue to see with Lawrence? Why is Lawrence seeing his worst completion percentage since his rookie season? Why is Lawrence seeing his lowest overall yardage output since his rookie season? 

There needs to be better accountability at this point with him being in year four. There needs to be even BETTER accountability and expectations placed on ownership, the coaching staff and front office. He's behind in his development. Period. He's not where he needs to be in year four. Period. 

Just like the cute little stat comparison of Stroud Vs. Lawrence this year. Stroud is in year two. Not year four. Are we really going to hang our hats on that "reading"? Please, spare me. Stroud's been miles ahead of Lawrence since last year. He's miles ahead of him now, and, again, as cited in here or another thread. 

You ARE what your record says you ARE. And his body of work speaks for itself along with the stats to back it up. We drafted Alex Smith 2.0. Jason Campbell 2.0. His dysfunctional surrounding is exactly similar to what Alex Smith went through in San Francisco. It's similar to what Campbell went through in Washington. 

While it's not ALL on Lawrence, he's not lived up to the hype for the most part. I am clearly hoping things improve with his said surrounding because that's the only way he's going to live up to his potential. He's dead in the water with this current regime. 

It's year four though folks. The training wheels have been off now since at least the 8 - 3 start in 2023. The training wheels were OFFICIALLY off once he inked that new contract. Enough with the excuses, nonsense and defending. Many, many things can be right at the same time. 

These next four games for him are fixing to be murderers row. 

Philadelphia
Minnesota
Detroit
Houston

If he plays mistake free football, wins half of those games and plays perfectly? I will happily eat my [BLEEP] crow, but, just like last year when the schedule got tough? His worst moments cropped up on the stat sheet and film room. I expect him to get his bell rung, banged up and his production to take a nose dive in the turnover department.

Every QB in this league plays games with turnovers. You’re holding Trevor to a standard no other QB in this league is held to. That he would have to play perfect and flawless. Doesn’t matter what the team around them does. Trevor could throw for 25/30 , 400, 4 TDs and have one pick and you’d ask why he didn’t throw for five and didn’t play perfect when we lose 35-28.

As far as the slow starts? That’s on our staff. Our first 15 almost always fails; it’s always short runs and dink and dunk. And do you notice that once we go off script, and let Trevor rip the offense moved the ball? It’s been a consistent them that this team comes unprepared out the gate and that to me has to be asked of the coaches more then any player. Are defenses consistently seeing what we’re seeing on tape and easily shutting down the first 15? Blame Trevor, sure, but to me there’s a larger issue behind that. 

I agree Trevor’s development has been inconsistent. Which is why I’ve been adamant despite rosier outlooks that he’s not elite and may never be; however he’s talented and a good QB and that’s what this franchise has lacked for decades and if we throw it away in hopes of finding elite we’d be silly. 28-29 of the 32 teams in this league are “settling” for “mediocrity” with your standards. 

The contract? Again can we stop with this misinformation nonsense? The contract is not going to prevent a new regime from building around him.
2025: $17M, 5.9%, 20th/55 among QBs
2026: $24M, 8.3%, 19th/41 among QBs
2027: $35M, 11.1%, 13th/25 among QBs
2028: $47M (cutting him here would be a dead cap hit of $42M), 9th/12 among QBs
2029: $78M (cutting him here would be a dead cap of $21M), 2nd/8 among QBs
2030: $75M (cutting him here would be a dead cap of $7M), 1st/3 among QBs (Mahomes and Burrow are the other two)
2031: $21M (this is a void year and carries no dead cap hit), 2nd/2 among QBs (Mahomes is the other one)

Can’t truly rid him if that’s what you want until 2028 but his contract is built in a way we’re not hamstrung from building around him until 2029 which again we can cut him or rework him. Criticize the amount sure (which only makes him highest paid for 1-2 seasons) but we’re not shot in the kneecaps like you claim.

As far as record, that’s an ultimate team stat. Using your logic, mahomes should have MVP if the season ended today. He wouldn’t because he’s playing like a human QB.

We’re certainly going to lose the next four and I can guarantee Trevor will have great plays and bad plays because he’s gonna let it rip and we’re down his best two targets potentially. I’ll be waiting for it. Because on offense it’s just him, engram, Bigsby basically taking the offense on their back and will be desperate

Finally if you wanna be disappointed because of the hype, go for it. I’m not. I never expect a player to step in and be elite immediately . How many QBs have truly done that in decades? Brady. Mahomes. Could make a case for a couple others. Some come hot out the gate then cool off. That’s on your expectations not on him. He didn’t come out and say “I will be elite”. He didn’t say “I’m generational and I promise to bring this franchise to glory”. I’m happy that he’s our franchise and that he’s a QB we can build around it’s just a matter of accomplishing that.

Step back from the cliff man. At this point I want Mac jones to start so people understand just how bad it can get at the position. We let Trevor walk in 2029, we’re back to QB purgatory. Full stop.

Why can't we cut him before that? Honest question.

I didn't know the contract was like this, I guess is not that bad at all in the first 3-4 years. 

Good info, Samus, thanks.

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I am a fan, not a cheerleader.

Stop it man, he's a top 5 paid QB in the NFL. If he can't win games by himself like Patrick Mahomes is right now then he's the ENTIRE PROBLEM with this dumpster fire franchise.

Caldrac specifically said "Again, he's not ALL to blame, but, he's been apart of the problem as well at times. I am disappointed in all of this. We all should be." and "The defense has been atrocious this year, nobody is arguing this, nobody is defending it." 

Look I get it, the Jaguars signed Lawrence to stay around for the next 5 years (including this year) and there's no changing that.  And if defending your starting QB makes you feel better about the future, by all means go right ahead.  I personally have an issue with people acting like anyone who disagrees with your opinion is an idiot/troll/@!#$ &^$%$#.

Only one person, at least on mine and most other posters, is treated as a troll in this thread and rightfully so for their posting habits. 

As long you make a case that isn’t full of hyperbole and the sky is falling nonsense, I am willing to debate in good faith

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Every QB in this league plays games with turnovers. You’re holding Trevor to a standard no other QB in this league is held to. That he would have to play perfect and flawless. Doesn’t matter what the team around them does. Trevor could throw for 25/30 , 400, 4 TDs and have one pick and you’d ask why he didn’t throw for five and didn’t play perfect when we lose 35-28.

As far as the slow starts? That’s on our staff. Our first 15 almost always fails; it’s always short runs and dink and dunk. And do you notice that once we go off script, and let Trevor rip the offense moved the ball? It’s been a consistent them that this team comes unprepared out the gate and that to me has to be asked of the coaches more then any player. Are defenses consistently seeing what we’re seeing on tape and easily shutting down the first 15? Blame Trevor, sure, but to me there’s a larger issue behind that. 

I agree Trevor’s development has been inconsistent. Which is why I’ve been adamant despite rosier outlooks that he’s not elite and may never be; however he’s talented and a good QB and that’s what this franchise has lacked for decades and if we throw it away in hopes of finding elite we’d be silly. 28-29 of the 32 teams in this league are “settling” for “mediocrity” with your standards. 

The contract? Again can we stop with this misinformation nonsense? The contract is not going to prevent a new regime from building around him.
2025: $17M, 5.9%, 20th/55 among QBs
2026: $24M, 8.3%, 19th/41 among QBs
2027: $35M, 11.1%, 13th/25 among QBs
2028: $47M (cutting him here would be a dead cap hit of $42M), 9th/12 among QBs
2029: $78M (cutting him here would be a dead cap of $21M), 2nd/8 among QBs
2030: $75M (cutting him here would be a dead cap of $7M), 1st/3 among QBs (Mahomes and Burrow are the other two)
2031: $21M (this is a void year and carries no dead cap hit), 2nd/2 among QBs (Mahomes is the other one)

Can’t truly rid him if that’s what you want until 2028 but his contract is built in a way we’re not hamstrung from building around him until 2029 which again we can cut him or rework him. Criticize the amount sure (which only makes him highest paid for 1-2 seasons) but we’re not shot in the kneecaps like you claim.

As far as record, that’s an ultimate team stat. Using your logic, mahomes should have MVP if the season ended today. He wouldn’t because he’s playing like a human QB.

We’re certainly going to lose the next four and I can guarantee Trevor will have great plays and bad plays because he’s gonna let it rip and we’re down his best two targets potentially. I’ll be waiting for it. Because on offense it’s just him, engram, Bigsby basically taking the offense on their back and will be desperate

Finally if you wanna be disappointed because of the hype, go for it. I’m not. I never expect a player to step in and be elite immediately . How many QBs have truly done that in decades? Brady. Mahomes. Could make a case for a couple others. Some come hot out the gate then cool off. That’s on your expectations not on him. He didn’t come out and say “I will be elite”. He didn’t say “I’m generational and I promise to bring this franchise to glory”. I’m happy that he’s our franchise and that he’s a QB we can build around it’s just a matter of accomplishing that.

Step back from the cliff man. At this point I want Mac jones to start so people understand just how bad it can get at the position. We let Trevor walk in 2029, we’re back to QB purgatory. Full stop.

Why can't we cut him before that? Honest question.

I didn't know the contract was like this, I guess is not that bad at all in the first 3-4 years. 

Good info, Samus, thanks.

Well I mean you CAN cut him before then, it’s just the dead cap hits don’t get to an amount that realistically  most front offices would swallow until later in the contract. I meant 2029 not 2028. 2028 would be a dead cap hit of 42 million which would be bitter to take that hit. Decreases to 21 mil in 2029 then decreases more after that. And can’t take credit was able to find the info online. I like the first few years because it allows us wiggle room to build around him. So in that way I think while an argument that he’s not living up to the overall amount can be made (yet, depending on your outlook with him) at least it’s structured to try and field a good team overall rather then hope he morphs into Walmart Brady and carry everything himself

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Why can't we cut him before that? Honest question.

I didn't know the contract was like this, I guess is not that bad at all in the first 3-4 years. 

Good info, Samus, thanks.

Well I mean you CAN cut him before then, it’s just the dead cap hits don’t get to an amount that realistically  most front offices would swallow until later in the contract. I meant 2029 not 2028. 2028 would be a dead cap hit of 42 million which would be bitter to take that hit. Decreases to 21 mil in 2029 then decreases more after that. And can’t take credit was able to find the info online. I like the first few years because it allows us wiggle room to build around him. So in that way I think while an argument that he’s not living up to the overall amount can be made (yet, depending on your outlook with him) at least it’s structured to try and field a good team overall rather then hope he morphs into Walmart Brady and carry everything himself

So cap hit is too high first few years and goes down as the years go on. Yeah, $42 million would still be too high.

Ok, thanks.

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Well I mean you CAN cut him before then, it’s just the dead cap hits don’t get to an amount that realistically  most front offices would swallow until later in the contract. I meant 2029 not 2028. 2028 would be a dead cap hit of 42 million which would be bitter to take that hit. Decreases to 21 mil in 2029 then decreases more after that. And can’t take credit was able to find the info online. I like the first few years because it allows us wiggle room to build around him. So in that way I think while an argument that he’s not living up to the overall amount can be made (yet, depending on your outlook with him) at least it’s structured to try and field a good team overall rather then hope he morphs into Walmart Brady and carry everything himself

So cap hit is too high first few years and goes down as the years go on. Yeah, $42 million would still be too high.

Ok, thanks.

That’s how I understand it yes. As always with any info from the internet use caution. lol

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how is Mahomes winning despite his defense? If Mahomes had our defense he could easily be 2-6 as well. there defense has given him back the ball on short fields and stopping for FGS. Trevor has to march every drive ave distace is proble 75-80 yards every drive. that means in order for the Jags to win any game we need to have 400-500 yards of offence to even compete for a win at the end of the game.

do we have slow starts sure, so do alot of teams, are we unprepared out the gate you bet(thats on Pederson and Press) coaching, does Trevor make plays only a few in the league can make you Bet. Trevor scored more on the GB defense in the 4th quarter than any team this seaon, he made mistakes and made up for them. Defense let this team down again and again.

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Who knows how FO office politics plays out, but it has to be a given to anyone that this regime is over. For us fans, it's now a game of speculating who is moving in this January.

How many of us predicted we would go full-on Jaguars this year? I didn't expect it to be this bad. It's awful. But what makes it especially frustrating is we're not devoid of talent like most of the other dark years. We have the talent to win games, but we simply can't, for whatever reason of the week. Which is the hallmark of a leaderless team. Doug just wants to get high and sit on the beach.

It would be nice if Trevor had the captainship of Peyton Manning. Such a quality could carry this team in difficult games. But in all honesty, not many QBs possess it in such quantities.

It' so unfortunate the majority believe this. If there is enough talent, Baalke is going no where. 

Khan already showed his cards this preseason saying best Jags team ever, it's going to fall only on coaching. 

The truth is when you take the teal glasses off, its a bottom 5 roster. There is very LITTLE talent. Lions game will show that gap, maybe people will wake up.

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