Why is it OK for Mahomes to throw picks inside his own 10 yard line but it's catastrophic for TLaw to throw one on his own side of the field?  You keep tap dancing  around this.   Why is TLaw held to a much higher standard?

This is easy. 

1. Mahomes has the hardware, moments and pedigree to exempt from said mistakes from time to time. Mahomes has shown the ability to make up for his mistakes. His career speaks for itself. Despite all of his poor play this year and his numbers being down? They're still undefeated and he's doing just enough at the right times in their games to ensure they win. 

2. Lawrence does not have any of the above, in addition to that, he knows our defense is trash. He needs to be that much more aware and careful while handling the football that deep in his own territory. We don't have Chris Jones on our defense. We don't have Steve Spaggs as our Defensive Coordinator neither. 

Any other lame duck questions you want to throw my way so I can waltz over it or what?

Lol, and you completely ignore that all of his accomplishments are BECAUSE of the franchise he's playing for. Yes, he's great, but that fact that he can play bad and the team be undefeated should show you how much better the rest of that team is than what's here. If Mahomes were here the last 3 years he'd be just another TexTech stiff who couldn't make it in the NFL.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Why is it OK for Mahomes to throw picks inside his own 10 yard line but it's catastrophic for TLaw to throw one on his own side of the field?  You keep tap dancing  around this.   Why is TLaw held to a much higher standard?

This is easy. 

1. Mahomes has the hardware, moments and pedigree to exempt from said mistakes from time to time. Mahomes has shown the ability to make up for his mistakes. His career speaks for itself. Despite all of his poor play this year and his numbers being down? They're still undefeated and he's doing just enough at the right times in their games to ensure they win. 

2. Lawrence does not have any of the above, in addition to that, he knows our defense is trash. He needs to be that much more aware and careful while handling the football that deep in his own territory. We don't have Chris Jones on our defense. We don't have Steve Spaggs as our Defensive Coordinator neither. 

Any other lame duck questions you want to throw my way so I can waltz over it or what?

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Why is it OK for Mahomes to throw picks inside his own 10 yard line but it's catastrophic for TLaw to throw one on his own side of the field?  You keep tap dancing  around this.   Why is TLaw held to a much higher standard?

This is easy. 

1. Mahomes has the hardware, moments and pedigree to exempt from said mistakes from time to time. Mahomes has shown the ability to make up for his mistakes. His career speaks for itself. Despite all of his poor play this year and his numbers being down? They're still undefeated and he's doing just enough at the right times in their games to ensure they win. 

2. Lawrence does not have any of the above, in addition to that, he knows our defense is trash. He needs to be that much more aware and careful while handling the football that deep in his own territory. We don't have Chris Jones on our defense. We don't have Steve Spaggs as our Defensive Coordinator neither. 

Any other lame duck questions you want to throw my way so I can waltz over it or what?

No. His defense is doing just enough at the right times to ensure they win.

Look. I think Mahomes is the best QB in the league by a mile but you put him on this Jags team? What do you think the Jags record is? 3 wins? Now put Lawrence on that team with an elite OL, elite defense, elite HC, elite playcaller, a defense that has given up 20+ 3 times...... At worst they're 6-1.

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Hey Trevor. Thanks for digging us out of the hell hole you helped create in the 1st half by not getting more than 15 yards in one quarter of play, throwing an INT inside our own 20 after our defense finally got you one and then also fumbling the ball at the 5 yard line later on to ultimately spot the [BLEEP] team 14 points. 

Lawrence's career in a nutshell. Can deny, deny and deny it all you want. You can deflect it and compare him to guys that are within the same pay grade or higher that have actual accomplishments to support said pay grade, but, this has been the same damn theme, off and on, since day one with him. 

Spare me the "But...but..but..muh metrics and PfFfFfF's". Sick of it. If it looks like [BLEEP] and smells like [BLEEP]? It's probably [BLEEP]. In this case. It's a piece of [BLEEP] in a nice paper bag that's been lit on fire at this point. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QtBlxEdJZo

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Read the very first sentence. I guarantee you that's fixing to change over the course of these next four games. Captain Save A Ho is fixing to put this team on his back and turn a bad situation into a nightmare. He's good for it.

You compared Trevor to Jason Campbell bud. Take a break.

Situation wise, yes, he's very much the same as Jason Campbell and Alex Smith. God, you guys, again, pick and choose what you want to read.

Look at Campbell's first four years in Washington. Went from Gibbs to Zorn, was dealing with constant offensive coaching changes and styles, think he actually had a different offensive coordinator every single year in Washington. 

Was sandbagged by a clueless owner that was throwing money around with his front office that resulted in subpar results (8-8 and 10-6) seasons with either barely making it or missing it play off wise. Injuries also started happening.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

Why is it OK for Mahomes to throw picks inside his own 10 yard line but it's catastrophic for TLaw to throw one on his own side of the field?  You keep tap dancing  around this.   Why is TLaw held to a much higher standard?

This is easy. 

1. Mahomes has the hardware, moments and pedigree to exempt from said mistakes from time to time. Mahomes has shown the ability to make up for his mistakes. His career speaks for itself. Despite all of his poor play this year and his numbers being down? They're still undefeated and he's doing just enough at the right times in their games to ensure they win. 

2. Lawrence does not have any of the above, in addition to that, he knows our defense is trash. He needs to be that much more aware and careful while handling the football that deep in his own territory. We don't have Chris Jones on our defense. We don't have Steve Spaggs as our Defensive Coordinator neither. 

Any other lame duck questions you want to throw my way so I can waltz over it or what?

You are 100% right.
Expect the usual suspects to come and argue with you. I don't bother bedside their arguments fly in the face of common sense.

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This is easy. 

1. Mahomes has the hardware, moments and pedigree to exempt from said mistakes from time to time. Mahomes has shown the ability to make up for his mistakes. His career speaks for itself. Despite all of his poor play this year and his numbers being down? They're still undefeated and he's doing just enough at the right times in their games to ensure they win. 

2. Lawrence does not have any of the above, in addition to that, he knows our defense is trash. He needs to be that much more aware and careful while handling the football that deep in his own territory. We don't have Chris Jones on our defense. We don't have Steve Spaggs as our Defensive Coordinator neither. 

Any other lame duck questions you want to throw my way so I can waltz over it or what?

Lol, and you completely ignore that all of his accomplishments are BECAUSE of the franchise he's playing for. Yes, he's great, but that fact that he can play bad and the team be undefeated should show you how much better the rest of that team is than what's here. If Mahomes were here the last 3 years he'd be just another TexTech stiff who couldn't make it in the NFL.

Yeah. We know this. I am pretty sure I have said this over 1,000 times already. It's NOT ALL on Lawrence. It's primarily on the failures of Khan, Baalke and now Pederson for not getting the most out of him by not supporting him adequately. Lawrence has ALSO had his fair share of blame to take on along the way. 

Again, many things can all be true at one time.

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This is easy. 

1. Mahomes has the hardware, moments and pedigree to exempt from said mistakes from time to time. Mahomes has shown the ability to make up for his mistakes. His career speaks for itself. Despite all of his poor play this year and his numbers being down? They're still undefeated and he's doing just enough at the right times in their games to ensure they win. 

2. Lawrence does not have any of the above, in addition to that, he knows our defense is trash. He needs to be that much more aware and careful while handling the football that deep in his own territory. We don't have Chris Jones on our defense. We don't have Steve Spaggs as our Defensive Coordinator neither. 

Any other lame duck questions you want to throw my way so I can waltz over it or what?

Again, classic response from a man with no counter punch or valid argument to defend their claim. Got it.

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This is easy. 

1. Mahomes has the hardware, moments and pedigree to exempt from said mistakes from time to time. Mahomes has shown the ability to make up for his mistakes. His career speaks for itself. Despite all of his poor play this year and his numbers being down? They're still undefeated and he's doing just enough at the right times in their games to ensure they win. 

2. Lawrence does not have any of the above, in addition to that, he knows our defense is trash. He needs to be that much more aware and careful while handling the football that deep in his own territory. We don't have Chris Jones on our defense. We don't have Steve Spaggs as our Defensive Coordinator neither. 

Any other lame duck questions you want to throw my way so I can waltz over it or what?

No. His defense is doing just enough at the right times to ensure they win.

Look. I think Mahomes is the best QB in the league by a mile but you put him on this Jags team? What do you think the Jags record is? 3 wins? Now put Lawrence on that team with an elite OL, elite defense, elite HC, elite playcaller, a defense that has given up 20+ 3 times...... At worst they're 6-1.

Maybe. Maybe not. Too bad we can't play coulda, woulda, shoulda. We can only go based upon the body of work that's been presented to us. 

Everybody thought Cleveland would be fine after giving up on Mayfield and moving onto Watson. That's been a mistake so far.

Everybody though the New York Jets would be fine after giving up on Wilson and moving onto Rodgers. That's been a mistake so far.

Everybody thought Wilson was the issue in Denver. Looks like he's doing just fine in Pittsburgh.

Everybody thought Goff was the issue in L.A. Stafford proved that to be the case to some extent. Goff is now having career years in Detroit.

Point is. We don't know. We can claim we do. But, at the end of the day. It's all anybody's guess.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

This is easy. 

1. Mahomes has the hardware, moments and pedigree to exempt from said mistakes from time to time. Mahomes has shown the ability to make up for his mistakes. His career speaks for itself. Despite all of his poor play this year and his numbers being down? They're still undefeated and he's doing just enough at the right times in their games to ensure they win. 

2. Lawrence does not have any of the above, in addition to that, he knows our defense is trash. He needs to be that much more aware and careful while handling the football that deep in his own territory. We don't have Chris Jones on our defense. We don't have Steve Spaggs as our Defensive Coordinator neither. 

Any other lame duck questions you want to throw my way so I can waltz over it or what?

You are 100% right.
Expect the usual suspects to come and argue with you. I don't bother bedside their arguments fly in the face of common sense.

Maybe someday you'll be brave enough to answer my argument about why this thread is asinine? Or do we just assume you have no answer so you're going to ignore the fact that this thread is tHe Stupidz?

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

You compared Trevor to Jason Campbell bud. Take a break.

Gosh I gotta stop trying to eat while reading the board. Almost needed a heimlich helper!

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Lol, and you completely ignore that all of his accomplishments are BECAUSE of the franchise he's playing for. Yes, he's great, but that fact that he can play bad and the team be undefeated should show you how much better the rest of that team is than what's here. If Mahomes were here the last 3 years he'd be just another TexTech stiff who couldn't make it in the NFL.

Yeah. We know this. I am pretty sure I have said this over 1,000 times already. It's NOT ALL on Lawrence. It's primarily on the failures of Khan, Baalke and now Pederson for not getting the most out of him by not supporting him adequately. Lawrence has ALSO had his fair share of blame to take on along the way. 

Again, many things can all be true at one time.

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Again, classic response from a man with no counter punch or valid argument to defend their claim. Got it.

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No. His defense is doing just enough at the right times to ensure they win.

Look. I think Mahomes is the best QB in the league by a mile but you put him on this Jags team? What do you think the Jags record is? 3 wins? Now put Lawrence on that team with an elite OL, elite defense, elite HC, elite playcaller, a defense that has given up 20+ 3 times...... At worst they're 6-1.

Maybe. Maybe not. Too bad we can't play coulda, woulda, shoulda. We can only go based upon the body of work that's been presented to us. 

Everybody thought Cleveland would be fine after giving up on Mayfield and moving onto Watson. That's been a mistake so far.

Everybody though the New York Jets would be fine after giving up on Wilson and moving onto Rodgers. That's been a mistake so far.

Everybody thought Wilson was the issue in Denver. Looks like he's doing just fine in Pittsburgh.

Everybody thought Goff was the issue in L.A. Stafford proved that to be the case to some extent. Goff is now having career years in Detroit.

Point is. We don't know. We can claim we do. But, at the end of the day. It's all anybody's guess.

Yup. Can't play coulda woulda shoulda. Gotta go off the body of work.

Which is why this season is on the defense. It's by far the worst in the league which has hurt this team more than any other entity or player.

Glad we cleared that up.

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Why is it OK for Mahomes to throw picks inside his own 10 yard line but it's catastrophic for TLaw to throw one on his own side of the field?  You keep tap dancing  around this.   Why is TLaw held to a much higher standard?

This is easy. 

1. Mahomes has the hardware, moments and pedigree to exempt from said mistakes from time to time. Mahomes has shown the ability to make up for his mistakes. His career speaks for itself. Despite all of his poor play this year and his numbers being down? They're still undefeated and he's doing just enough at the right times in their games to ensure they win. 

2. Lawrence does not have any of the above, in addition to that, he knows our defense is trash. He needs to be that much more aware and careful while handling the football that deep in his own territory. We don't have Chris Jones on our defense. We don't have Steve Spaggs as our Defensive Coordinator neither. 

Any other lame duck questions you want to throw my way so I can waltz over it or what?

That's bonkers and you know it. We don't want Trevor turtling up or holding back passes for fear of a random failure. Dude did plenty to keep us in the game in spite of his pick and fumble.

So anybody without rings is supposed to play ultra conservative ball until they get them? Guess what, at that rate, they never will.

You're saying TLaw has to be flawless to account for the failures of the D. Why isn't the opposite true? Shouldn't we then expect the D to play flawless in order to account for our QB's penchant to confirm his own humanity? The pick and the fumble hurt, and they hurt BADLY. But in spite of all that, the score was tied with a minute on the clock. The offense did their part to dig out of the hole they dug. How'd the D fare at helping them out?

Is it just as unreasonable to expect the D not to give up 60 yards in 60 seconds as it is to expect TLaw not to commit a costly turnover?

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Yeah. We know this. I am pretty sure I have said this over 1,000 times already. It's NOT ALL on Lawrence. It's primarily on the failures of Khan, Baalke and now Pederson for not getting the most out of him by not supporting him adequately. Lawrence has ALSO had his fair share of blame to take on along the way. 

Again, many things can all be true at one time.

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Again, classic response from a man with no counter punch or valid argument to defend their claim. Got it.

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Maybe. Maybe not. Too bad we can't play coulda, woulda, shoulda. We can only go based upon the body of work that's been presented to us. 

Everybody thought Cleveland would be fine after giving up on Mayfield and moving onto Watson. That's been a mistake so far.

Everybody though the New York Jets would be fine after giving up on Wilson and moving onto Rodgers. That's been a mistake so far.

Everybody thought Wilson was the issue in Denver. Looks like he's doing just fine in Pittsburgh.

Everybody thought Goff was the issue in L.A. Stafford proved that to be the case to some extent. Goff is now having career years in Detroit.

Point is. We don't know. We can claim we do. But, at the end of the day. It's all anybody's guess.

Yup. Can't play coulda woulda shoulda. Gotta go off the body of work.

Which is why this season is on the defense. It's by far the worst in the league which has hurt this team more than any other entity or player.

Glad we cleared that up.

With what might be a historically bad defense the team has lost 4 games by less than a touchdown.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Lol, and you completely ignore that all of his accomplishments are BECAUSE of the franchise he's playing for. Yes, he's great, but that fact that he can play bad and the team be undefeated should show you how much better the rest of that team is than what's here. If Mahomes were here the last 3 years he'd be just another TexTech stiff who couldn't make it in the NFL.

Yeah. We know this. I am pretty sure I have said this over 1,000 times already. It's NOT ALL on Lawrence. It's primarily on the failures of Khan, Baalke and now Pederson for not getting the most out of him by not supporting him adequately. Lawrence has ALSO had his fair share of blame to take on along the way. 

Again, many things can all be true at one time.

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Again, classic response from a man with no counter punch or valid argument to defend their claim. Got it.

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It's the perfect response to your delusion.  It's OK for Mahomes to throw a pick inside his own 10 yard late in the 3rd and up by 4 because he knows his defense is good.

TLaw is a clown for attempting to escape the pocket when his 3 IL fail to block 2 DL and he gets the ball knocked out.   

Yeah, I'm going to LOL hysterically at that logic.  

ALL QB's are going to have turnovers, and sometimes they happen at the worst time.  This even happens to the "elite" ones.  Prove me wrong.  You can't.

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You are 100% right.
Expect the usual suspects to come and argue with you. I don't bother bedside their arguments fly in the face of common sense.

Maybe someday you'll be brave enough to answer my argument about why this thread is asinine? Or do we just assume you have no answer so you're going to ignore the fact that this thread is tHe Stupidz?

I already know your a blind Homer so no point in arguing with you. It's not about brave it's about lowering my IQ to be on your level. I said what I said and stick to it. The results on the field and in the win column prove who is correct. Many including myself were scratching my head at that Lawrence contract. Outside of his suppose talent he didn't do much to earn it. Josh Allen has had only 2 good years in his career and the first one was thanks to Calais . Josh Allen is proving and has proved in the past that he is not a dominant edge rusher that scare's defense's. He may not get 8 sacks this year and flat out vanishes during games. Right now he is not playing anywhere near his contract. I do not even know what your point? You are saying they were wise to Give Lawrence and Allen the bank despite both showed inconsistency in their game? Good luck with that point of view but I disagree.

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Yeah. We know this. I am pretty sure I have said this over 1,000 times already. It's NOT ALL on Lawrence. It's primarily on the failures of Khan, Baalke and now Pederson for not getting the most out of him by not supporting him adequately. Lawrence has ALSO had his fair share of blame to take on along the way. 

Again, many things can all be true at one time.

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Again, classic response from a man with no counter punch or valid argument to defend their claim. Got it.

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It's the perfect response to your delusion.  It's OK for Mahomes to throw a pick inside his own 10 yard late in the 3rd and up by 4 because he knows his defense is good.

TLaw is a clown for attempting to escape the pocket when his 3 IL fail to block 2 DL and he gets the ball knocked out.   

Yeah, I'm going to LOL hysterically at that logic.  

ALL QB's are going to have turnovers, and sometimes they happen at the worst time.  This even happens to the "elite" ones.  Prove me wrong.  You can't.

All Qb's lead the league by far in turnovers and routinely make turnovers at the worst time? Too many Lawrence Homer's in this thread.

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Maybe someday you'll be brave enough to answer my argument about why this thread is asinine? Or do we just assume you have no answer so you're going to ignore the fact that this thread is tHe Stupidz?

I already know your a blind Homer so no point in arguing with you. It's not about brave it's about lowering my IQ to be on your level. I said what I said and stick to it. The results on the field and in the win column prove who is correct.

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It's the perfect response to your delusion.  It's OK for Mahomes to throw a pick inside his own 10 yard late in the 3rd and up by 4 because he knows his defense is good.

TLaw is a clown for attempting to escape the pocket when his 3 IL fail to block 2 DL and he gets the ball knocked out.   

Yeah, I'm going to LOL hysterically at that logic.  

ALL QB's are going to have turnovers, and sometimes they happen at the worst time.  This even happens to the "elite" ones.  Prove me wrong.  You can't.

All Qb's lead the league by far in turnovers and routinely make turnovers at the worst time? Too many Lawrence Homer's in this thread.

4 picks and 1 fumble 8 weeks in is leading the league?  Lol

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Maybe it’s better that the board breaks down every week so we don’t have to have the TLaw discourse every day……

Hey Trevor. I know you were the first QB to crack 300 on the Packers and you did a lot of that without your top 2 WRs and you led the team back to tie the game only to see the worst defense in the league blow it once again but hey…. You suck!

Do you not find it weird that a QB they think sucks and is the reason we lost gets them so angry every week?

Almost like they actually believe in him and have hope and expectations.

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I already know your a blind Homer so no point in arguing with you. It's not about brave it's about lowering my IQ to be on your level. I said what I said and stick to it. The results on the field and in the win column prove who is correct.

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All Qb's lead the league by far in turnovers and routinely make turnovers at the worst time? Too many Lawrence Homer's in this thread.

4 picks and 1 fumble 8 weeks in is leading the league?  Lol

I'm talking about his career. Oh and if you want to play that game

Lawrence has thrown 11 Td's in 7 games and on pace for about 23 on the year.  A supposed star QB in 2024 having 23 TD's on the year?  C'mon man.

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Maybe it’s better that the board breaks down every week so we don’t have to have the TLaw discourse every day……

Hey Trevor. I know you were the first QB to crack 300 on the Packers and you did a lot of that without your top 2 WRs and you led the team back to tie the game only to see the worst defense in the league blow it once again but hey…. You suck!

Do you not find it weird that a QB they think sucks and is the reason we lost gets them so angry every week?

Almost like they actually believe in him and have hope and expectations.

Lawrence is the worst kind of tease.

Lawrence will have a game or two that will make you fall in love. He then will have a run of stinkers that will just break your heart.  I remember that people use to argue that Lawrence was better than Herbert.  I can tell you that Herbert is better by a country mile.

I do not think that people want to hate Lawrence.  Hell, I would love to not have to comment on him.  He just routinely does not make the game winning play or makes the game losing play.  

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4 picks and 1 fumble 8 weeks in is leading the league?  Lol

I'm talking about his career. Oh and if you want to play that game

Lawrence has thrown 11 Td's in 7 games and on pace for about 23 on the year.  A supposed star QB in 2024 having 23 TD's on the year?  C'mon man.

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I'm talking about his career. Oh and if you want to play that game

Lawrence has thrown 11 Td's in 7 games and on pace for about 23 on the year.  A supposed star QB in 2024 having 23 TD's on the year?  C'mon man.

Lawrence is a below average QB getting paid like an elite one.  That has not changed in my book and not moving any goalpost.  I always have stated he is very inconsistent so catch up. 

What is your point?  If your point is Lawrence is a good QB that I an others are wrong? Feel free to believe that but because you drink the kool-aid, I'm not drinking it.

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This is easy. 

1. Mahomes has the hardware, moments and pedigree to exempt from said mistakes from time to time. Mahomes has shown the ability to make up for his mistakes. His career speaks for itself. Despite all of his poor play this year and his numbers being down? They're still undefeated and he's doing just enough at the right times in their games to ensure they win. 

2. Lawrence does not have any of the above, in addition to that, he knows our defense is trash. He needs to be that much more aware and careful while handling the football that deep in his own territory. We don't have Chris Jones on our defense. We don't have Steve Spaggs as our Defensive Coordinator neither. 

Any other lame duck questions you want to throw my way so I can waltz over it or what?

That's bonkers and you know it. We don't want Trevor turtling up or holding back passes for fear of a random failure. Dude did plenty to keep us in the game in spite of his pick and fumble.

The fact you missed is the fumble put the opponents right on the goal line and the pick was deep in our own territory.  This directly lead to 14 points.  The real backbreaker was the defense finally created a turnover only for the QB to give the ball right back. Imagine how demoralized they feel after they finally got off the field and a couple plays later they are right back on it. 

The defense does stank but

The offense stanks too

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Lawrence is a below average QB getting paid like an elite one.  That has not changed in my book and not moving any goalpost.  I always have stated he is very inconsistent so catch up. 

What is your point?  If your point is Lawrence is a good QB that I an others are wrong? Feel free to believe that but because you drink the kool-aid, I'm not drinking it.

The kid has had some consistency issues but has radically altered his turnover issues this year - and he is only a 15 mil cap hit this year.
That big money you are moaning about doesn't kick in until 2028, dude. 

He's got time to get his [BLEEP] together before he's really getting paid - and by then his 2028 cap hit won't even be top ten money. 
You're upset about losses, and we all are,  but you aren't being smart about blaming the right people.

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