I honestly don't see a point in keeping Doug, Press and Nielsen for the rest of the season.

Who you making interim HC?

Mike McCoy and let him call plays

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Who you making interim HC?

Mike McCoy and let him call plays

What if they win out after the bye when he presumably takes over and the team is apparently playing relatively hard for him?  Would be difficult to fire an undefeated interim coach over a 6 week span, especially one with prior HC experience like McCoy.  You ok with him being the guy moving forward in that scenario?

I think that scenario potentially playing out is why you keep Doug until the end of the season or close to it.  You can still judge him on the entirety of the season if you want even if they get hot at the end.

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Mike McCoy and let him call plays

What if they win out after the bye when he presumably takes over and the team is apparently playing relatively hard for him?  Would be difficult to fire an undefeated interim coach over a 6 week span, especially one with prior HC experience like McCoy.  You ok with him being the guy moving forward in that scenario?

I think that scenario potentially playing out is why you keep Doug until the end of the season or close to it.  You can still judge him on the entirety of the season if you want even if they get hot at the end.

At this point it really doesn't matter on the offense. 

That's why I brought up Salah.  At least get a good DC here to turn the defensive players around.

Salah is a really good Defensive Coach.  Let him DC our team.  

I'm not saying Salah should be the HC.  But he's a really good DC that I think can turn the defense around.  I'm not calling for Salah to be the HC.  But he'd be a great DC hire.

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Who you making interim HC?

Mike McCoy and let him call plays

Personally I hate that idea. He was terrible at the Chargers and I know it would just be to the end of the season but don't know if it would make any real difference. Not expecting a turnaround but just feels a move that doesn't have any real upside to it

That's my biggest reason for keeping Doug on for the rest of the year, I don't see anyone else on the staff that could make anything better for the new regime.

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Remember all those discussions about how you can't just say you will run a 3-4 and then be successful? Do we really think that a 4-3 look would happen instantly as well? Coaches aren't the problem the lack of vision and then actual execution on building a team is the bigger problem.

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Fans deserve better. Thanks for all the good times too many are in the past.

I think you guys are nuts. No one is going anywhere.

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Remember all those discussions about how you can't just say you will run a 3-4 and then be successful?  Do we really think that a 4-3 look would happen instantly as well?  Coaches aren't the problem the lack of vision and then actual execution on building a team is the bigger problem.

This. Two years of trying to get 34 zone guys, now we're one year into getting 43 man guys. It's not a switch you flip, it takes 2 years minimum.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

I think you guys are nuts. No one is going anywhere.

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Remember all those discussions about how you can't just say you will run a 3-4 and then be successful?  Do we really think that a 4-3 look would happen instantly as well?  Coaches aren't the problem the lack of vision and then actual execution on building a team is the bigger problem.

This. Two years of trying to get 34 zone guys, now we're one year into getting 43 man guys. It's not a switch you flip, it takes 2 years minimum.

They changed three-fifths of our nickel secondary and it's miles worse

Every "get a man coverage guy" move they made outside of Jarrion Jones was total dog [BLEEP]

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This team is run like fantasy football. Draft some more skill players and we will be fine. I am still bitter about pissing away the 2 Firsts for Jalen. Now we are putting up with flag football skillz to kill drafting.

I don't think I will live long enough to see good football again.

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Birth of the Franchise - November 30, 1993
Death of the Franchise - November 29, 2011

Fans deserve better. Thanks for all the good times too many are in the past.

I honestly don't see a point in keeping Doug, Press and Nielsen for the rest of the season.

Who you making interim HC?

Kris Richard.

Like you said, McCoy had his chance and was awful but I think he can be a decent OC.

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I am a fan, not a cheerleader.

Who you making interim HC?

Kris Richard.

Like you said, McCoy had his chance and was awful but I think he can be a decent OC.

I would be for him getting a shot at oc this season. Anything better than press.

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Kris Richard.

Like you said, McCoy had his chance and was awful but I think he can be a decent OC.

I would be for him getting a shot at oc this season. Anything better than press.

Agreed. Doug needs to stop being lazy, or whatever his problem is, the playcall sheet needs to be in his hands the entire game. Instead of taking the playsheet from Press late in the game. It messes up the flow of the game and we need points throughout the game. 

The defensive coordinator should already have his bags packed.

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Nielsen is supposed to be a dline guru. Where the [BLEEP] is Maason Smith? We need answers

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Nielsen is supposed to be a dline guru.  Where the [BLEEP] is Maason Smith?  We need answers

The answer is the same as it's been, he's a young project coming off injury who we overdrafted on the tape measure.

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I would be for him getting a shot at oc this season. Anything better than press.

Agreed. Doug needs to stop being lazy, or whatever his problem is, the playcall sheet needs to be in his hands the entire game. Instead of taking the playsheet from Press late in the game. It messes up the flow of the game and we need points throughout the game. 

The defensive coordinator should already have his bags packed.

Plot twist: Doug writes the script and calls the first quarter then hands it off to Press.

That ever comes out as fact this board will melt.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Nielsen is supposed to be a dline guru.  Where the [BLEEP] is Maason Smith?  We need answers

The answer is the same as it's been, he's a young project coming off injury who we overdrafted on the tape measure.

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Agreed. Doug needs to stop being lazy, or whatever his problem is, the playcall sheet needs to be in his hands the entire game. Instead of taking the playsheet from Press late in the game. It messes up the flow of the game and we need points throughout the game. 

The defensive coordinator should already have his bags packed.

Plot twist: Doug writes the script and calls the first quarter then hands it off to Press.

That ever comes out as fact this board will melt.

He didn't look any worse than what we have seen at DT and at times looked better.  When you don't really have anything better you play the younger guys to get them the reps, that's how they improve.  Not playing him wont help him improve.  I don't think his play on the field along with the other DTs play is why he has been inactive.

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Nielsen is supposed to be a dline guru.  Where the [BLEEP] is Maason Smith?  We need answers

The answer is the same as it's been, he's a young project coming off injury who we overdrafted on the tape measure.

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Agreed. Doug needs to stop being lazy, or whatever his problem is, the playcall sheet needs to be in his hands the entire game. Instead of taking the playsheet from Press late in the game. It messes up the flow of the game and we need points throughout the game. 

The defensive coordinator should already have his bags packed.

Plot twist: Doug writes the script and calls the first quarter then hands it off to Press.

That ever comes out as fact this board will melt.

Or it could be the opposite

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Who you making interim HC?

Mike McCoy and let him call plays

...is that too much for one plate? I thought similarly, but that it may just be Doug canned mid-season, move McCoy up, since he has prior experience, and leave Press for the duration of the season. At present, the offense does not appear to be so anemic that we need to purge everything, but I could see Doug being let go as a more symbolic gesture than anything, especially if the team deflates. Right now I think the DC is on the hottest seat, but Doug's interaction with the media, the continued appearance of underpreparation, and general locker room persona may force Shad's hand.

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Remember all those discussions about how you can't just say you will run a 3-4 and then be successful?  Do we really think that a 4-3 look would happen instantly as well?  Coaches aren't the problem the lack of vision and then actual execution on building a team is the bigger problem.

This is a bigger discussion, then.

If the team believes their window is now, hiring a coach that is ill-suited to your roster is counterproductive. If you are built to fit a 3-4 scheme, and hire a 4-3 guy with the expectation of a gradual shift into that scheme, it's on the public-facing faces (coaches, GM, owner) to temper immediate expectation. If you brought in the guy who typically runs 4-3 schemes with the expectation that he could adapt his scheme to fit the roster, that's on the guy if he overpromised or the GM/coach who brought him in to a position for which he was unable to perform.

It's square pegs and round holes all over again. You're setting the GM to fail if you keep changing the wish list up every couple of years to fit your newest coach. If the Gm is part of that hirinng process, they darn sure better be accountable as to why they're making decisions that conflict with past effort.

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Remember all those discussions about how you can't just say you will run a 3-4 and then be successful?  Do we really think that a 4-3 look would happen instantly as well?  Coaches aren't the problem the lack of vision and then actual execution on building a team is the bigger problem.

This is a bigger discussion, then.

If the team believes their window is now, hiring a coach that is ill-suited to your roster is counterproductive. If you are built to fit a 3-4 scheme, and hire a 4-3 guy with the expectation of a gradual shift into that scheme, it's on the public-facing faces (coaches, GM, owner) to temper immediate expectation. If you brought in the guy who typically runs 4-3 schemes with the expectation that he could adapt his scheme to fit the roster, that's on the guy if he overpromised or the GM/coach who brought him in to a position for which he was unable to perform.

It's square pegs and round holes all over again. You're setting the GM to fail if you keep changing the wish list up every couple of years to fit your newest coach. If the Gm is part of that hirinng process, they darn sure better be accountable as to why they're making decisions that conflict with past effort.

We have 43 linemen, 34 linebackers, and zone secondary. There's got to be personnel changes to what the coach wants to do, and we have a hodge podge of the wrong vets and too young fits for it to work.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

I think you guys are nuts. No one is going anywhere.

If the D continues to give up 30 a game and can't get our best/high-dollar players to be impactful, I think you have to do something. You may not fire the DC, but you may give someone under him a little more authority to try and fix what's broked. If DC on his own is not demonstrating a strategy to adapt and succeed, get another voice in the room to start offering ideas.

I agree though that I doubt the coach is scapegoated at this point, especially if the offense continues to rack up numbers and keep the games competitive. But the D is sacrificing opportunity and something has to be done or heads will eventually start rolling, and smart coaches would be sure theirs is not the one on the block.

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I think you guys are nuts. No one is going anywhere.

If the D continues to give up 30 a game and can't get our best/high-dollar players to be impactful, I think you have to do something. You may not fire the DC, but you may give someone under him a little more authority to try and fix what's broked. If DC on his own is not demonstrating a strategy to adapt and succeed, get another voice in the room to start offering ideas.

I agree though that I doubt the coach is scapegoated at this point, especially if the offense continues to rack up numbers and keep the games competitive. But the D is sacrificing opportunity and something has to be done or heads will eventually start rolling, and smart coaches would be sure theirs is not the one on the block.

I really wasn't including Nielsen in that statement, we've seen they're willing to fire the DC already. I was thinking more about the Baalke infestation and Doug.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

This is a bigger discussion, then.

If the team believes their window is now, hiring a coach that is ill-suited to your roster is counterproductive. If you are built to fit a 3-4 scheme, and hire a 4-3 guy with the expectation of a gradual shift into that scheme, it's on the public-facing faces (coaches, GM, owner) to temper immediate expectation. If you brought in the guy who typically runs 4-3 schemes with the expectation that he could adapt his scheme to fit the roster, that's on the guy if he overpromised or the GM/coach who brought him in to a position for which he was unable to perform.

It's square pegs and round holes all over again. You're setting the GM to fail if you keep changing the wish list up every couple of years to fit your newest coach. If the Gm is part of that hirinng process, they darn sure better be accountable as to why they're making decisions that conflict with past effort.

We have 43 linemen, 34 linebackers, and zone secondary. There's got to be personnel changes to what the coach wants to do, and we have a hodge podge of the wrong vets and too young fits for it to work.

Too much lather, rinse, and repeat in this organization. We can't seem to get on board with draft and develop.

The one time they were honest they held onto the coach past it being obvious that it all was a disaster.

I hope to live long enough to see some direction pointing to success.

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Birth of the Franchise - November 30, 1993
Death of the Franchise - November 29, 2011

Fans deserve better. Thanks for all the good times too many are in the past.