If there is something consistent with this team it's that this offense can NEVER start the game off on the positive foot. We always go 3 and out for the first handful of drives and can't score until after halftime.

It's gotten so bad that this inept offense has also earned the tremendous feat of not acquiring their first 1st until the third quarter (last weeks game).

Meanwhile, this defense holds opposing teams to a manageable scoreline despite being gassed out there because the offense can't even stay on the field for more than 3 plays at a time. Then it becomes the "defense's fault" when they get bruised up at the end of games because of the bludgeoning they had quelled all game.

This was supposed to be a high-scoring, prolific offense - even injuries aside - and it's been anything but... This defense has done a decent job for the majority of games in my opinion. The offense can't continue to decide to show up and play late in the 3rd quarter.

Something needs to change.

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If there is something consistent with this team it's that this offense can NEVER start the game off on the positive foot. We always go 3 and out for the first handful of drives and can't score until after halftime.

It's gotten so bad that this inept offense has also earned the tremendous feat of not acquiring their first 1st until the third quarter (last weeks game).

Meanwhile, this defense holds opposing teams to a manageable scoreline despite being gassed out there because the offense can't even stay on the field for more than 3 plays at a time. Then it becomes the "defense's fault" when they get bruised up at the end of games because of the bludgeoning they had quelled all game.

This was supposed to be a high-scoring, prolific offense - even injuries aside - and it's been anything but... This defense has done a decent job for the majority of games in my opinion. The offense can't continue to decide to show up and play late in the 3rd quarter.

Something needs to change.

That's the scripted plays that aren't working.  Points to a coaching issue.

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Worse set of scripted plays to start a game I've ever seen in my life. Doug gets out coached every week

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Worse set of scripted plays to start a game I've ever seen in my life.  Doug gets out coached every week

We just are predictable. If the defense knows what your going to do, your chances are pretty low.

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Worse set of scripted plays to start a game I've ever seen in my life.  Doug gets out coached every week

So true

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I really loved the decision to put a player just pulled from the practice squad fielding punts, especially on the road. It goes along with the decision to have BOTH of our best pass rushers on the sidelines in critical game situations. The same line of thinking has our 3rd string RB trying to catch fade routes when he probably should have been RUNNING the ball on 1st down with 1:40 left in the game. The coaching staff are a bunch of clowns with no plan of attack or ability to give this team any identity other than being a bunch of losers.

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If there is something consistent with this team it's that this offense can NEVER start the game off on the positive foot. We always go 3 and out for the first handful of drives and can't score until after halftime.

It's gotten so bad that this inept offense has also earned the tremendous feat of not acquiring their first 1st until the third quarter (last weeks game).

Meanwhile, this defense holds opposing teams to a manageable scoreline despite being gassed out there because the offense can't even stay on the field for more than 3 plays at a time. Then it becomes the "defense's fault" when they get bruised up at the end of games because of the bludgeoning they had quelled all game.

This was supposed to be a high-scoring, prolific offense - even injuries aside - and it's been anything but... This defense has done a decent job for the majority of games in my opinion. The offense can't continue to decide to show up and play late in the 3rd quarter.

Something needs to change.

That's the scripted plays that aren't working.  Points to a coaching issue.

Agreed.

But our "script" doesn't extend midway into the 3rd quarter every week.

Plus, when our offense "gets going", its usually when the opposing team goes into an umbrella/prevent defense - despite our success with the no huddle. But, I'll take what we can get on offense because there's not much that occurs the entire first half of games with that unit. I'm pretty sure we only mustered up 20-30 yards of TOTAL offense in the first half against the Eagles.

That simply can not happen.

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Convinced they need to start every game on offense moving forward in hurry up mode and stay off script.

Run the old 90's style offense they had with the Bills under Jim Kelly and just let the kid get into a rhythm.

We're going to live and die by his arm anyway. Might as well do it at his pace where he's clearly comfortable being in an uptempo offense.

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That's the scripted plays that aren't working.  Points to a coaching issue.

Agreed.

But our "script" doesn't extend midway into the 3rd quarter every week.

Plus, when our offense "gets going", its usually when the opposing team goes into an umbrella/prevent defense - despite our success with the no huddle. But, I'll take what we can get on offense because there's not much that occurs the entire first half of games with that unit. I'm pretty sure we only mustered up 20-30 yards of TOTAL offense in the first half against the Eagles.

That simply can not happen.

You must forget how bad the offense is. There have been weeks where scripted plays last into the 2nd half.

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Convinced they need to start every game on offense moving forward in hurry up mode and stay off script.

Run the old 90's style offense they had with the Bills under Jim Kelly and just let the kid get into a rhythm.

We're going to live and die by his arm anyway. Might as well do it at his pace where he's clearly comfortable being in an uptempo offense.

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Doug did this same poop with Carson Wentz and it turned out bad. I know they both downplay it but it is the same situation. Trying to turn a Thoroughbred into a walking horse because that is your offensive system. After what I saw today they should get rid of Doug or trade Trevor. Trevor deserves better.

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A new broom always sweeps clean.

Convinced they need to start every game on offense moving forward in hurry up mode and stay off script.

Run the old 90's style offense they had with the Bills under Jim Kelly and just let the kid get into a rhythm.

We're going to live and die by his arm anyway. Might as well do it at his pace where he's clearly comfortable being in an uptempo offense.

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Doug did this same poop with Carson Wentz and it turned out bad. I know they both downplay it but it is the same situation. Trying to turn a Thoroughbred into a walking horse because that is your offensive system. After what I saw today they should get rid of Doug or trade Trevor. Trevor deserves better.

Yep. It's a coaching issue and it's a system issue. They have been having a identity crisis since he's been here and now it's turning into a full blown midlife crisis. Players are not executing enough when their numbers are called and the staff is not calling easy, lay-up type of plays that we see from other teams that are successful consistently. 

Not one screen was called on those last two drives yesterday on offense and their defense, knowing full well that they have a pretty good secondary, they were leaving the middle of the field wide open. Perfect time for a screen there to Engram or BTJ. But, nope, a [BLEEP] wheel route to Johnson there as the primary read? Really?

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

I really loved the decision to put a player just pulled from the practice squad fielding punts, especially on the road. It goes along with the decision to have BOTH of our best pass rushers on the sidelines in critical game situations. The same line of thinking has our 3rd string RB trying to catch fade routes when he probably should have been RUNNING the ball on 1st down with 1:40 left in the game. The coaching staff are a bunch of clowns with no plan of attack or ability to give this team any identity other than being a bunch of losers.

Yeah, no hero ball, tell that kid as soon as you hear the thump off the punter's foot, you signal fair catch. Nothing deflates a D more than getting a stop and immediately getting called back to the (short) field.

Not sure what we do at the half/in the third to figure out how to move against a D, but maybe try that some time early in the second when the D is giving up a 6-minute, 10 play drive like we tend to do. Call it mini-half or whatever, but figger it oot and adapt.

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That's the scripted plays that aren't working.  Points to a coaching issue.

Agreed.

But our "script" doesn't extend midway into the 3rd quarter every week.

Plus, when our offense "gets going", its usually when the opposing team goes into an umbrella/prevent defense - despite our success with the no huddle. But, I'll take what we can get on offense because there's not much that occurs the entire first half of games with that unit. I'm pretty sure we only mustered up 20-30 yards of TOTAL offense in the first half against the Eagles.

That simply can not happen.

By the third Q Barkley had both more yards rushing AND more yards receiving than our entire team's offensive production. I still don't understand how we didn't lose by 20.

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Agreed.

But our "script" doesn't extend midway into the 3rd quarter every week.

Plus, when our offense "gets going", its usually when the opposing team goes into an umbrella/prevent defense - despite our success with the no huddle. But, I'll take what we can get on offense because there's not much that occurs the entire first half of games with that unit. I'm pretty sure we only mustered up 20-30 yards of TOTAL offense in the first half against the Eagles.

That simply can not happen.

You must forget how bad the offense is. There have been weeks where scripted plays last into the 2nd half.

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Threes and out will do that, ayuh.

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If there is something consistent with this team it's that this offense can NEVER start the game off on the positive foot. We always go 3 and out for the first handful of drives and can't score until after halftime.

It's gotten so bad that this inept offense has also earned the tremendous feat of not acquiring their first 1st until the third quarter (last weeks game).

Meanwhile, this defense holds opposing teams to a manageable scoreline despite being gassed out there because the offense can't even stay on the field for more than 3 plays at a time. Then it becomes the "defense's fault" when they get bruised up at the end of games because of the bludgeoning they had quelled all game.

This was supposed to be a high-scoring, prolific offense - even injuries aside - and it's been anything but... This defense has done a decent job for the majority of games in my opinion. The offense can't continue to decide to show up and play late in the 3rd quarter.

Something needs to change.

I agree and disagree with you here man. Yes the O has started games way too slowly recently. 1st Q's can always be inconsistent and coaches can be seeing how the opponents react and are focusing on. That's not been our problem though. We've started very slow. 

To try and point at what I think the biggest issue we have is 3rd down. O can't convert, D can't get off the field. Yesterday the O was 3-10, the D 9-17. The O can't build drives and momentum and the D struggles to get off the field. Both start to effect the other as the O spends lots of time on the sidelines and don't build rhythm and when they get on the field they struggle for 1st downs which puts the D back out. I don't feel it's one unit to blame, they are both hurting each other.

For the year so far the O is 31-98 on 3rd down, the D 53-119 so it's been an issue all year. Once the O starts putting drives together and moving the ball we start scoring, it's just taking us too long to do that. I'd like to see the coaches try and shake up the 1st Q playcalling on O to try and get them clicking earlier.

The point I'd disagree on, the D played well yesterday and had some great stops but we still gave up 447 yards. The D has had its share of terrible games and plays and are just as much to blame as the O for me. Everyone has a share in this season.

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Doug did this same poop with Carson Wentz and it turned out bad. I know they both downplay it but it is the same situation. Trying to turn a Thoroughbred into a walking horse because that is your offensive system. After what I saw today they should get rid of Doug or trade Trevor. Trevor deserves better.

Yep. It's a coaching issue and it's a system issue. They have been having a identity crisis since he's been here and now it's turning into a full blown midlife crisis. Players are not executing enough when their numbers are called and the staff is not calling easy, lay-up type of plays that we see from other teams that are successful consistently. 

Not one screen was called on those last two drives yesterday on offense and their defense, knowing full well that they have a pretty good secondary, they were leaving the middle of the field wide open. Perfect time for a screen there to Engram or BTJ. But, nope, a [BLEEP] wheel route to Johnson there as the primary read? Really?

I've been saying this since last year...  Glad people are finally seeing the light.

I know you are down on Trevor Lawrence.  But I think he's a franchise QB with the right coaching staff.  Trevor misses Jim Bob.  We all do.  Ben Johnson as the HC, provided that it is clear he is responsible for the offensive game plan, play calling, etc., would have us winning the division next year.  Hire Salah as the DC to run the defense, and we're golden.

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Yep. It's a coaching issue and it's a system issue. They have been having a identity crisis since he's been here and now it's turning into a full blown midlife crisis. Players are not executing enough when their numbers are called and the staff is not calling easy, lay-up type of plays that we see from other teams that are successful consistently. 

Not one screen was called on those last two drives yesterday on offense and their defense, knowing full well that they have a pretty good secondary, they were leaving the middle of the field wide open. Perfect time for a screen there to Engram or BTJ. But, nope, a [BLEEP] wheel route to Johnson there as the primary read? Really?

I've been saying this since last year...  Glad people are finally seeing the light.

I know you are down on Trevor Lawrence.  But I think he's a franchise QB with the right coaching staff.  Trevor misses Jim Bob.  We all do.  Ben Johnson as the HC, provided that it is clear he is responsible for the offensive game plan, play calling, etc., would have us winning the division next year.  Hire Salah as the DC to run the defense, and we're golden.

Oh man, are you gonna be disappointed.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

I've been saying this since last year...  Glad people are finally seeing the light.

I know you are down on Trevor Lawrence.  But I think he's a franchise QB with the right coaching staff.  Trevor misses Jim Bob.  We all do.  Ben Johnson as the HC, provided that it is clear he is responsible for the offensive game plan, play calling, etc., would have us winning the division next year.  Hire Salah as the DC to run the defense, and we're golden.

Oh man, are you gonna be disappointed.

LOL.  So what else is new?  

All I know is that anything other than Doug and Trent will be an upgrade.

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Oh man, are you gonna be disappointed.

LOL.  So what else is new?  

All I know is that anything other than Doug and Trent will be an upgrade.

Tony Khan as GM and Darrell Bevell as HC incoming...

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

Oh man, are you gonna be disappointed.

LOL.  So what else is new?  

All I know is that anything other than Doug and Trent will be an upgrade.

You haven't been watching football long if you really believe that.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Oh man, are you gonna be disappointed.

Few of us are new to Jaguar fandom, flsg.

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LOL.  So what else is new?  

All I know is that anything other than Doug and Trent will be an upgrade.

You haven't been watching football long if you really believe that.

I didn't realize how much of a fan you were of Trent...

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