This team has 8 losses.  6 of those are 1 score games, so yes, this team is only a handful of plays away from a winning record and contending for the division.   No, that doesn't mean SB contenders.

Jesus christ, lol. 

Lets take yesterdays game as an example. Vikings had the ball for 43 minutes and ran up 400 yards of offense. We ran up 143 yards of total offense and a total of 10 first downs. It was a one score game. Did you watch yesterdays game and ever think we were a handful of plays from winning? We weren't, we got absolutely smacked. What we can argue is we are lucky it was a 1 score game, and not a 30 point blowout. We were losing this game regardless. Can't keep looking at this game on paper, and say "one score game, could of won". We were not a play away from winning yesterday's game. We were never even in the ball game, if we are being honest. This literally applies to almost every 1 score game we have had this year. We aren't a handful of plays away from winning, we are a handful of plays from all these games being absolute blowouts.

You do have a point. The Philly game was ridiculous. We were so bad but Philly made stupid mistake after mistake and out of nowhere we were suddenly back in it. Now on one hand, it doesn't matter how you get back into a game, if you get it back to one score but on the other, it's not like it was a blueprint to build on. 

The only real counter argument to your point could be we put ourselves in big holes but found a way to make it close. If we had played better for 60 minutes we could have won but watching the games, some of the final scores didn't reflect how the game went.

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This team has 8 losses.  6 of those are 1 score games, so yes, this team is only a handful of plays away from a winning record and contending for the division.   No, that doesn't mean SB contenders.

Jesus christ, lol. 

Lets take yesterdays game as an example. Vikings had the ball for 43 minutes and ran up 400 yards of offense. We ran up 143 yards of total offense and a total of 10 first downs. It was a one score game. Did you watch yesterdays game and ever think we were a handful of plays from winning? We weren't, we got absolutely smacked. What we can argue is we are lucky it was a 1 score game, and not a 30 point blowout. We were losing this game regardless. Can't keep looking at this game on paper, and say "one score game, could of won". We were not a play away from winning yesterday's game. We were never even in the ball game, if we are being honest. This literally applies to almost every 1 score game we have had this year. We aren't a handful of plays away from winning, we are a handful of plays from all these games being absolute blowouts.

Yes, as bad as it was they held the vikings to 12 points and had a chance at the end with Mac Jones as the QB. You keep choosing to make the point for us, as bad as it's been it's still a small difference. We got "smacked" by the bills, the vikings squeaked out a win.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Winning is the fluke for this team but it doesn't mean 4 plays away would flip the wins. Even if they had won it doesn't mean the team is a contender. The problems are absolutely glaring.

I wish it was just coaching.

You are only as good of a coach as your QB. I think we found that out in the ending dynasty of the New England Patriots once Tom left....

Until we find our franchise QB - this team will suffer.  Under TL we will stick to mediocrity and the suckage depending on WRs and injuries. I think being mediocre is better than being in the situation we are in 2024 though.

Imagine posting this after just watching Mac Jones this past week.

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IT WAS ALWAYS THE JAGS

Jesus christ, lol. 

Lets take yesterdays game as an example. Vikings had the ball for 43 minutes and ran up 400 yards of offense. We ran up 143 yards of total offense and a total of 10 first downs. It was a one score game. Did you watch yesterdays game and ever think we were a handful of plays from winning? We weren't, we got absolutely smacked. What we can argue is we are lucky it was a 1 score game, and not a 30 point blowout. We were losing this game regardless. Can't keep looking at this game on paper, and say "one score game, could of won". We were not a play away from winning yesterday's game. We were never even in the ball game, if we are being honest. This literally applies to almost every 1 score game we have had this year. We aren't a handful of plays away from winning, we are a handful of plays from all these games being absolute blowouts.

I did not watch yesterday's game.  But as it has already been stated,  Miami, Browns, GB, Philly, and Tinhorns were all games where 1 play was the difference between W and L.

I get it, you're taking the score literal and using the box score. Let's use the last 2 games before Vikings

Eagles- Sirianni masterpiece. I mean really the main the reason that game wasn't a double digit L was because they refused to take points. Let's fast foward to that missed 57 yard, Jags get the ball back. Down 5, 2 and change left in the game. What do the Jags do? Ofcourse they show horrific clock management and run 6 plays in 33 seconds, the last of which was an interception in the endzone on a play to D'ernest Johnson. Let's say hypothetically, they magically score that TD, and make that 1 play you suggest makes a difference in a ball game. Guess what happens next when the Eagles have the ball with a minute 40 on the clock? They'd run it right back down our throats and win the game. You know this, I know this, everyone literally knows this. 

Packers- Let's fast foward yet again, Lawrence leads a great drive with all back ups in albeit with horrific clock management again that left Willis with 2 minutes to dissect this defense, but I am willing to forgive that given the circumstances given. Ties it up, can argue going for 2 there. The 1 play should of been the Lawrence to Engram TD? Maybe 2 point conversion? Ok what happens next? Well... in Jags fashion..  we give the deep ball up to Reed. They kneel down the rest of the way, kick an easy FG, ball game. Let's back track in that one, could the 1 play be when the defense makes an int in the endzone and we give it right back with our own interception in the endzone? Maybe the fumble inside the 10?

Point is, again, we aren't 1 play away. You can't look at the box score, see a touchdown difference, and say 1 play away. That's flat out delusional. That's probably the exact [BLEEP] Baalke is feeding Khan, "HEY MAN WE ONE PLAY AWAY LOOK AT THE SCORE MAN!" In the NFL, most games should end in a 1 score game, hence the point spreads. When you actually watch the games, it's very obvious, at least to me... we aren't 1 PLAY away from winning any of these games. We simply are not a good football team, in every single aspect.

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You are only as good of a coach as your QB. I think we found that out in the ending dynasty of the New England Patriots once Tom left....

Until we find our franchise QB - this team will suffer.  Under TL we will stick to mediocrity and the suckage depending on WRs and injuries. I think being mediocre is better than being in the situation we are in 2024 though.

Imagine posting this after just watching Mac Jones this past week.

Numbnuts doesn't have to imagine

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You are only as good of a coach as your QB. I think we found that out in the ending dynasty of the New England Patriots once Tom left....

Until we find our franchise QB - this team will suffer.  Under TL we will stick to mediocrity and the suckage depending on WRs and injuries. I think being mediocre is better than being in the situation we are in 2024 though.

Imagine posting this after just watching Mac Jones this past week.

Imagine not reading the last sentence.

Zip it up when he is done.

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https://twitter.com/JohnOehser/status/18...8174786934

Man. He sucks.

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https://twitter.com/JohnOehser/status/18...8174786934

Man. He sucks.

If it was Lawrence he would have been saying he has to play better and the team around him played well. Doug really seems to have an issue with Lawrence just like he did Wentz.

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We're a handful of plays away from being right there with them record wise.  Very frustrating.

Handful of plays? Sarcasm right lol? We are about to land the #1 overall pick, we need a complete tear down top to bottom including a roster reconstruction. We are no where close to where this team needs to be to win. We aren't in the same universe as a winning team right now. That had to of been a joke to say that lol. 

You keep 16, 44, 7, 41, 23, 3, 17, 77, 22, 39, 51, and 4. We need 40 new players on this team.

edit- keep 46 as well, our only all pro talent. 39 new players needed.

No joke if you've watched the games and have a memory of key moments where defeat was snatched from the jaws of victory.  Would our issues still be present had we flipped a few losses to wins?  Sure.  But that's why the saying "winning cures all" exists. And to say we're not a handful of plays away from being 5-5, 6-4 or maybe even 7-3 begs the question are you even watching the games fully or tuning out early or perhaps are you being driven by the pure negative emotions that have been stirred by our record.  I mean, 6 of our 8 losses have been by 5 points or less. By definition, a 1 score game is 1 play away from being flipped the other way unless it was turned into a 1 score game late with too little time to get another possession.  None of those 6 losses fit that qualifier though.

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And 40 new players needed? LOL. Dude, take a breather.

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It’s time for a new regime, that is is clear to all. Trevor is locked in, and above average, so he is the least of our concerns.

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Again, you have to look at the time spent in the NFL overall. Stroud is in year two, he hasn't even notched 30 career starts yet in the NFL. This is just his 2nd year already with the same coaching staff. 

Lawrence WAS afforded these very same excuses during his first two years in the NFL. The only difference is that he has his name tied to a big fat contract on paper, and, for better or worse, people see that in the media and everywhere else and they'll continue to pick him apart.

I already cited my concerns and issues with not just him, but, the entirety of this franchise all over this forum. I recently cited the biggest issue and what I think needs to be done over in the Doug Pederson thread about being fired. 

I really think that's what needs to happen first and foremost and then you work around Trevor from there. If I had to draw up a list of 10 concerns about the current state of the Jaguars? Lawrence probably rounds out the very bottom in that 7th - 10th range. Which is fair and reasonable in my honest opinion. 

I don't see him as THE issue, not even a top three to five issue. But, at times, yes, he was needed to play better football in order to win some close games and we didn't see it out of him.

Lawrence did win a playoff game in his 2nd year so let's see if Stroud can do that.

Umm, the one in his first year didn't count??? Link

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Can we leave the personal insults behind for a while and get back to some semblance of topic, gents?
Please, and thank you.

Mehhh. Vikings are a really good defensive football team though. 6th in points allowed. 11th in yards allowed. 22nd against the pass. 1st against the run. 

Trevor would have probably won yesterday's game though.

They started out really good.  Coming into yesterday they had 29 points or more scored on them in 3 of their last 5 games.  That would be bad if we played the number 1 D.  They arent event a top 5 D, 22nd against the pass and Jones had 111 yrds with 2 INTs, horrendous

Mehhh. Vikings are a really good defensive football team though. 6th in points allowed. 11th in yards allowed. 22nd against the pass. 1st against the run. 

Trevor would have probably won yesterday's game though.

Prior to yesterday's game, they were 28th in the league in passing defense giving up 250 yds/g.   They are now at 231 yd/g after yesterday.

Still a quality defense. What I don't understand is why Doug and/or Press insisted on running it at them. They're still a really good run defending team and they were passing it better on in the 1st half. It was frustrating to see them go run, run, pass on 1st, 2nd and 3rd downs in that order. 

Just no creativity at all.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

They'll still land the 4th seed at the minimum and probably be one and done in the post season. We should have been challenging them this year for the divisional lead though. We're just not as competent or competitive as they are as a total team and it is what it is.

We're a handful of plays away from being right there with them record wise.  Very frustrating.

Indeed. 

ETN's fumble.
D'Ernest Johnson's illegal procedure and then the safety allowed.
A few TD passes sailed in Houston.
Defense getting gouged by Malik Willis last minute. 

Then you look at the last two losses coming down to the wire with a few chances in it. The only two really bad games they had this year were against the Bills and Bears. Every game outside of those two felt winnable or at least somewhat competitive. 

QB play has been down across the board this year. Mahomes is not really Mahomes. Allen is probably the only one really being Superman this year at QB. I think other guys like Russell Wilson and Baker Mayfield are being slept on. As well as Kirk Cousins.

But, overall, in the AFC, it still feels very much wide open and anything goes really in my opinion once they're in the play-off's. I don't think Baltimore is invincible. I don't think the Chiefs are juggernauts, and I don't see Buffalo getting too far if Allen is faced with competent defenses.

We really [BLEEP] the bed this year as a football team and we supposedly had all the pieces in place to turn it around. Frustrating indeed.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

Lawrence did win a playoff game in his 2nd year so let's see if Stroud can do that.

Umm, the one in his first year didn't count??? Link

He had a great season last year.  This year not so much.  Let's see if he can win a playoff game this year.

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Just crazy

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Umm, the one in his first year didn't count??? Link

He had a great season last year.  This year not so much.  Let's see if he can win a playoff game this year.

He's going to get a home playoff game almost no matter how bad he is thanks to Khan not taking things seriously. That doesn't mean he'll get another win, but the way is clearer for him than it will be for the team they face.

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They started out really good.  Coming into yesterday they had 29 points or more scored on them in 3 of their last 5 games.  That would be bad if we played the number 1 D.  They arent event a top 5 D, 22nd against the pass and Jones had 111 yrds with 2 INTs, horrendous

Prior to yesterday's game, they were 28th in the league in passing defense giving up 250 yds/g.   They are now at 231 yd/g after yesterday.

Still a quality defense. What I don't understand is why Doug and/or Press insisted on running it at them. They're still a really good run defending team and they were passing it better on in the 1st half. It was frustrating to see them go run, run, pass on 1st, 2nd and 3rd downs in that order. 

Just no creativity at all.

Yeah, its a quality defenses but this is the NFL.  Look who is calling the plays.   Doug would rather get fired than take over play calling.

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It's going to be interesting seeing how Doug handles Trevor this week. I'm not saying Trevor isn't injured but he was able to play the rest of the Philly game, Doug says he has no idea where the surgery talk had come from and that it's a pain tolerance injury. Just feels there's something more to this. 

I find it odd that Doug is already saying Mac Jones 'will be better' against Detroit.

"Another opportunity, another week to work," Pederson said of Jones, a day after the Jacksonville native completed 14 of 22 passes for 111 yards, and had two interceptions, a fumble and three sacks. "He'll work from it. Obviously he takes it hard, takes it personal, which he should ... we all do. But we have a ton of confidence in him."

He also says he can't offer any news about Trevors injury until Wednesday when the team next practices. So he can't rule Trevor out but can say Mac Jones will be better in the next game? I also don't think he'd be talking about Trevor the same way with the amount of turnovers and how bad they were. I'll just leave you with this from another article

'The issue for Pederson is that, this time, he didn't have Trevor Lawrence to elevate the offense. The quarterback who Pederson has frequently jabbed in press conferences is the same player who keeps the Jaguars' offense together and makes it even halfway functioning'

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https://twitter.com/JohnOehser/status/18...8174786934

Man. He sucks.

Nah, he's a nice guy. Really.

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https://twitter.com/JohnOehser/status/18...8174786934

Man. He sucks.

If it was Lawrence he would have been saying he has to play better and the team around him played well. Doug really seems to have an issue with Lawrence just like he did Wentz.

It's a reaction nice guys have to being seen for what they are.

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