Blank checks are the best checks.  Seriously, though...  Imagine Johnson working with Lawrence.  The increase in performance would be exponential.  

Then hire Robert Salah as DC.  That would be pretty sweet.

Edit: https://www.reddit.com/r/Jaguars/comment..._the_fans/

From Doug's first presser as HC of the Jaguars:  "Calling plays.  That's something I pride myself in.  I will say right now that I want to call the plays.  I want to put myself in a position to help this football team".

We were all sold a bag of [BLEEP], he never wanted to be Andy Reid.  He just wanted to role play Andy Reid, and then coast on his SB win.

I don't get all the Ben Johnson love. He apparently didn't interview well in Washington, which would've been a golden opportunity for him. He wanted too much money for Carolina. I'm sensing a huge ego. Kudos to him for getting consistent production from Goff, but how much of that is Goff being out to show the world the Rams were wrong to dump him? Goff also has a very talented offensive line and great weapons. Trevor would light it up in that offense. 

Every year, there are hotshot offensive coordinators, like Dave Canales. Then they go somewhere with lesser QB talent (see Stefanski) or their star QB goes down (see McDaniels) and they are no longer super creative QB whisperers.

Carp appears to have some obsessive personality disorder the way he finds a guy, good or bad, and just can't quit talking about him. Lawrence, Press, Doug, Boselli, now Ben Johnson...all examples of how he processes everything into a single target. The only difference is whether he's effusive in praise or criticism, but either way it seems compulsive for him.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Blank checks are the best checks.  Seriously, though...  Imagine Johnson working with Lawrence.  The increase in performance would be exponential.  

Then hire Robert Salah as DC.  That would be pretty sweet.

Edit: https://www.reddit.com/r/Jaguars/comment..._the_fans/

From Doug's first presser as HC of the Jaguars:  "Calling plays.  That's something I pride myself in.  I will say right now that I want to call the plays.  I want to put myself in a position to help this football team".

We were all sold a bag of [BLEEP], he never wanted to be Andy Reid.  He just wanted to role play Andy Reid, and then coast on his SB win.

I don't get all the Ben Johnson love. He apparently didn't interview well in Washington, which would've been a golden opportunity for him. He wanted too much money for Carolina. I'm sensing a huge ego. Kudos to him for getting consistent production from Goff, but how much of that is Goff being out to show the world the Rams were wrong to dump him? Goff also has a very talented offensive line and great weapons. Trevor would light it up in that offense. 

Every year, there are hotshot offensive coordinators, like Dave Canales. Then they go somewhere with lesser QB talent (see Stefanski) or their star QB goes down (see McDaniels) and they are no longer super creative QB whisperers.

If you watch the Lions offense, they are so well coached and they scheme up so many good plays. Now can he be a head coach? Not sure but I would guess he will be. The thing I like most about Ben Johnson is that he plays to his players strengths. Goff has always thrown those dig routes really well and throws over the middle well so they scheme those up. They target ARSB a lot on a bunch of different routes and give DMont and Gibbs their touches too. 

Hot shot coordinators sometimes turn out to be the next best HC though. LaFleur, McVay, Shannahan, McDermott, Reid, Ryans, KOC.... 

Gotta take your shot but I am very over the old retread head coaches. I want someone who will play to Trevors strengths and I want an OC as my HC so that there isn't much turnover if the future OC leaves to take a HC job. I like Liam Coen, Ben Johnson, Mike LaFleur. I would also kick the tires on Ben Grubb and Todd Monken (I know he's older but man he's done so good in Baltimore).

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Blank checks are the best checks.  Seriously, though...  Imagine Johnson working with Lawrence.  The increase in performance would be exponential.  

Then hire Robert Salah as DC.  That would be pretty sweet.

Edit: https://www.reddit.com/r/Jaguars/comment..._the_fans/

From Doug's first presser as HC of the Jaguars:  "Calling plays.  That's something I pride myself in.  I will say right now that I want to call the plays.  I want to put myself in a position to help this football team".

We were all sold a bag of [BLEEP], he never wanted to be Andy Reid.  He just wanted to role play Andy Reid, and then coast on his SB win.

I don't get all the Ben Johnson love. He apparently didn't interview well in Washington, which would've been a golden opportunity for him. He wanted too much money for Carolina. I'm sensing a huge ego. Kudos to him for getting consistent production from Goff, but how much of that is Goff being out to show the world the Rams were wrong to dump him? Goff also has a very talented offensive line and great weapons. Trevor would light it up in that offense. 

Every year, there are hotshot offensive coordinators, like Dave Canales. Then they go somewhere with lesser QB talent (see Stefanski) or their star QB goes down (see McDaniels) and they are no longer super creative QB whisperers.

Hindsight 20/20.  Nobody thought Washinton would be this good.  Their roster isn't even that great. They have 1 good WR, nothing at TE other than a 34 yr old Ertz , the oline individually isn't great, poor secondary, weak LBs if you don't count the 35 year old, nothing really at edge.  Nobody knew how good the rookie QB would be.  What makes you think Washington was a great job?   Kingsbury has Daniels playing at a level nobody thought he would be playing at.  Washington didn't look like a very good job at all and just shows you what coaching can do.  Most thought they would be one of the worst teams in the league

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I don't get all the Ben Johnson love. He apparently didn't interview well in Washington, which would've been a golden opportunity for him. He wanted too much money for Carolina. I'm sensing a huge ego. Kudos to him for getting consistent production from Goff, but how much of that is Goff being out to show the world the Rams were wrong to dump him? Goff also has a very talented offensive line and great weapons. Trevor would light it up in that offense. 

Every year, there are hotshot offensive coordinators, like Dave Canales. Then they go somewhere with lesser QB talent (see Stefanski) or their star QB goes down (see McDaniels) and they are no longer super creative QB whisperers.

Hindsight 20/20.  Nobody thought Washinton would be this good.  Their roster isn't even that great. They have 1 good WR, nothing at TE other than a 34 yr old Ertz , the oline individually isn't great, poor secondary, weak LBs if you don't count the 35 year old, nothing really at edge.  Nobody knew how good the rookie QB would be.  What makes you think Washington was a great job?   Kingsbury has Daniels playing at a level nobody thought he would be playing at.  Washington didn't look like a very good job at all and just shows you what coaching can do.  Most thought they would be one of the worst teams in the league

Same for the tinhorns last year with Stroud as a rookie. It is all really 20/20.

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Blank checks are the best checks.  Seriously, though...  Imagine Johnson working with Lawrence.  The increase in performance would be exponential.  

Then hire Robert Salah as DC.  That would be pretty sweet.

Edit: https://www.reddit.com/r/Jaguars/comment..._the_fans/

From Doug's first presser as HC of the Jaguars:  "Calling plays.  That's something I pride myself in.  I will say right now that I want to call the plays.  I want to put myself in a position to help this football team".

We were all sold a bag of [BLEEP], he never wanted to be Andy Reid.  He just wanted to role play Andy Reid, and then coast on his SB win.

I don't get all the Ben Johnson love. He apparently didn't interview well in Washington, which would've been a golden opportunity for him. He wanted too much money for Carolina. I'm sensing a huge ego. Kudos to him for getting consistent production from Goff, but how much of that is Goff being out to show the world the Rams were wrong to dump him? Goff also has a very talented offensive line and great weapons. Trevor would light it up in that offense. 

Every year, there are hotshot offensive coordinators, like Dave Canales. Then they go somewhere with lesser QB talent (see Stefanski) or their star QB goes down (see McDaniels) and they are no longer super creative QB whisperers.

Those are reasonable worries, but I think it could be interpreted in a different way. He has been in the league for 10 years and experienced the Dolphins owner/FO shenanigans. He is probably well aware that most coaches get 1 chance. So he knows what he is looking for and if he sees issues he wants additional security (like more money from Carolina). Those are not necessarily bad things.

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Blank checks are the best checks.  Seriously, though...  Imagine Johnson working with Lawrence.  The increase in performance would be exponential.  

Then hire Robert Salah as DC.  That would be pretty sweet.

Edit: https://www.reddit.com/r/Jaguars/comment..._the_fans/

From Doug's first presser as HC of the Jaguars:  "Calling plays.  That's something I pride myself in.  I will say right now that I want to call the plays.  I want to put myself in a position to help this football team".

We were all sold a bag of [BLEEP], he never wanted to be Andy Reid.  He just wanted to role play Andy Reid, and then coast on his SB win.

I don't get all the Ben Johnson love. He apparently didn't interview well in Washington, which would've been a golden opportunity for him. He wanted too much money for Carolina. I'm sensing a huge ego. Kudos to him for getting consistent production from Goff, but how much of that is Goff being out to show the world the Rams were wrong to dump him? Goff also has a very talented offensive line and great weapons. Trevor would light it up in that offense. 

Every year, there are hotshot offensive coordinators, like Dave Canales. Then they go somewhere with lesser QB talent (see Stefanski) or their star QB goes down (see McDaniels) and they are no longer super creative QB whisperers.

My big thing about Ben Johnson/Lions offense is that offense is revolved around Montgomery/Gibbs and one of the best offensive lines in football. We have yet to see an opposing team shut down that run game. Now, the Texans did a damn good job against the run. didn't shut it down, but were damn good. BEST we have seen a defense against their running offense. Forced Goff to throw, and he threw 5 interceptions while going 15/30. 

Everyone knows to beat the Lions you need to shut down their run heavy offense, but it's more of a matter if can you. Texans lined up and did a SOLID job. This is why in the playoffs I think this offense will flop this year. 

My point is, I really don't know how good Johnson is. If you are successful running the ball, like most great offenses, passing becomes easy. Lions have attempted the 4th least pass attempts this season, due to a much improved defense and that run game. For me the best OC option is Liam Coen. The job he has done with Baker is phenomenal.

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I don't get all the Ben Johnson love. He apparently didn't interview well in Washington, which would've been a golden opportunity for him. He wanted too much money for Carolina. I'm sensing a huge ego. Kudos to him for getting consistent production from Goff, but how much of that is Goff being out to show the world the Rams were wrong to dump him? Goff also has a very talented offensive line and great weapons. Trevor would light it up in that offense. 

Every year, there are hotshot offensive coordinators, like Dave Canales. Then they go somewhere with lesser QB talent (see Stefanski) or their star QB goes down (see McDaniels) and they are no longer super creative QB whisperers.

My big thing about Ben Johnson/Lions offense is that offense is revolved around Montgomery/Gibbs and one of the best offensive lines in football. We have yet to see an opposing team shut down that run game. Now, the Texans did a damn good job against the run. didn't shut it down, but were damn good. BEST we have seen a defense against their running offense. Forced Goff to throw, and he threw 5 interceptions while going 15/30. 

Everyone knows to beat the Lions you need to shut down their run heavy offense, but it's more of a matter if can you. Texans lined up and did a SOLID job. This is why in the playoffs I think this offense will flop this year. 

My point is, I really don't know how good Johnson is. If you are successful running the ball, like most great offenses, passing becomes easy. Lions have attempted the 4th least pass attempts this season, due to a much improved defense and that run game. For me the best OC option is Liam Coen. The job he has done with Baker is phenomenal.

Isn't this Coen's first year in Tampa? Last year Baker had Canales.

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I don't get all the Ben Johnson love. He apparently didn't interview well in Washington, which would've been a golden opportunity for him. He wanted too much money for Carolina. I'm sensing a huge ego. Kudos to him for getting consistent production from Goff, but how much of that is Goff being out to show the world the Rams were wrong to dump him? Goff also has a very talented offensive line and great weapons. Trevor would light it up in that offense. 

Every year, there are hotshot offensive coordinators, like Dave Canales. Then they go somewhere with lesser QB talent (see Stefanski) or their star QB goes down (see McDaniels) and they are no longer super creative QB whisperers.

Carp appears to have some obsessive personality disorder the way he finds a guy, good or bad, and just can't quit talking about him. Lawrence, Press, Doug, Boselli, now Ben Johnson...all examples of how he processes everything into a single target. The only difference is whether he's effusive in praise or criticism, but either way it seems compulsive for him.

I'm just expressing my opinions.  LOL.  I do have a personality disorder.  But at least my disorder is focused on the Jaguars.  Where as yours is focused on me.  

Oh and for NYC4jags... Your mean to me.  (You're)

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Carp appears to have some obsessive personality disorder the way he finds a guy, good or bad, and just can't quit talking about him. Lawrence, Press, Doug, Boselli, now Ben Johnson...all examples of how he processes everything into a single target. The only difference is whether he's effusive in praise or criticism, but either way it seems compulsive for him.

I'm just expressing my opinions.  LOL.  I do have a personality disorder.  But at least my disorder is focused on the Jaguars.  Where as yours is focused on me.  

Oh and for NYC4jags... Your mean to me.  (You're)

Does it carry over into your victim complex?

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Are we playing in the 1940's? Game tape exists, BJ already knows who Trevor is and what he brings to the table.

Shut him down, there is nothing to be gained from further destroying his mentality. Let him get the surgery now, get recouped and get the heck on mission to change the course next season.

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Bigger question is whether this is how he interacts with team/front office, or if he's just over dealing with the media. Frankly, I don't care if he's best friends or at complete odds with reporters. But you gotta get results on the field or you won't last, no matter how friendly you are with the media.

If they shut Trevor down they need to fire the GM and coach the same day. You can't have "Trevor got hurt" hanging over the team this offseason, especially if, as I suspect, they make a small run of wins at the end. I just would love to see them promote Press Taylor to interim just to watch the servers melt and Carp's head explode. If we gotta suck at least make it entertaining!

jib gonna get you for that one.

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Bears fired their OC

Deservedly so. They haven't scored a tuddie since they played us. That says a lot not only about Waldron's ineptitude, but a little about Nielsen's, too.

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Blank checks are the best checks.  Seriously, though...  Imagine Johnson working with Lawrence.  The increase in performance would be exponential.  

Then hire Robert Salah as DC.  That would be pretty sweet.

Edit: https://www.reddit.com/r/Jaguars/comment..._the_fans/

From Doug's first presser as HC of the Jaguars:  "Calling plays.  That's something I pride myself in.  I will say right now that I want to call the plays.  I want to put myself in a position to help this football team".

We were all sold a bag of [BLEEP], he never wanted to be Andy Reid.  He just wanted to role play Andy Reid, and then coast on his SB win.

I don't get all the Ben Johnson love. He apparently didn't interview well in Washington, which would've been a golden opportunity for him. He wanted too much money for Carolina. I'm sensing a huge ego. Kudos to him for getting consistent production from Goff, but how much of that is Goff being out to show the world the Rams were wrong to dump him? Goff also has a very talented offensive line and great weapons. Trevor would light it up in that offense. 

Every year, there are hotshot offensive coordinators, like Dave Canales. Then they go somewhere with lesser QB talent (see Stefanski) or their star QB goes down (see McDaniels) and they are no longer super creative QB whisperers.

If I had a great job in hand and folks wanted to pull me away from it, I'd be demanding, too. Washington was a very unique circumstance - new ownership, complete restart at the most important position, and a heap of uncertainty. I'd have been just as tenuous to make my first venture into head coaching that job, too. Don't blame him for asking for the moon from Tepper, it would take a whole lot to subject oneself to a guanopsychotic owner who is likely going to meddle and get in your way more than you'd like, or be super volatile with changing leadership.

Where we stand, it's best to give everyone a look, a chance to make their claim to the job. I don't really care if a guy interviews well if he can get results on the field (ever listen to Belichick address the media?). On the same token, you don't want a smooth talking snake oil salesman who promises the world and delivers a marble.

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I don't get all the Ben Johnson love. He apparently didn't interview well in Washington, which would've been a golden opportunity for him. He wanted too much money for Carolina. I'm sensing a huge ego. Kudos to him for getting consistent production from Goff, but how much of that is Goff being out to show the world the Rams were wrong to dump him? Goff also has a very talented offensive line and great weapons. Trevor would light it up in that offense. 

Every year, there are hotshot offensive coordinators, like Dave Canales. Then they go somewhere with lesser QB talent (see Stefanski) or their star QB goes down (see McDaniels) and they are no longer super creative QB whisperers.

Carp appears to have some obsessive personality disorder the way he finds a guy, good or bad, and just can't quit talking about him. Lawrence, Press, Doug, Boselli, now Ben Johnson...all examples of how he processes everything into a single target. The only difference is whether he's effusive in praise or criticism, but either way it seems compulsive for him.

He isn't the only one here banging this drum, and in light of the conversation being had (drop a blank check in the visiting locker room postdated to Jan 6), I don't see this call-out necessary.

Yes TDC responded to his post, but I got a more general reply to the conversation vibe than picking nits with the quoted post. Maybe I'm just enjoying my coffee, though.

TLDR, do we need to poke and start another back and forth?

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I don't get all the Ben Johnson love. He apparently didn't interview well in Washington, which would've been a golden opportunity for him. He wanted too much money for Carolina. I'm sensing a huge ego. Kudos to him for getting consistent production from Goff, but how much of that is Goff being out to show the world the Rams were wrong to dump him? Goff also has a very talented offensive line and great weapons. Trevor would light it up in that offense. 

Every year, there are hotshot offensive coordinators, like Dave Canales. Then they go somewhere with lesser QB talent (see Stefanski) or their star QB goes down (see McDaniels) and they are no longer super creative QB whisperers.

If I had a great job in hand and folks wanted to pull me away from it, I'd be demanding, too. Washington was a very unique circumstance - new ownership, complete restart at the most important position, and a heap of uncertainty. I'd have been just as tenuous to make my first venture into head coaching that job, too. Don't blame him for asking for the moon from Tepper, it would take a whole lot to subject oneself to a guanopsychotic owner who is likely going to meddle and get in your way more than you'd like, or be super volatile with changing leadership.

Where we stand, it's best to give everyone a look, a chance to make their claim to the job. I don't really care if a guy interviews well if he can get results on the field (ever listen to Belichick address the media?). On the same token, you don't want a smooth talking snake oil salesman who promises the world and delivers a marble.

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Carp appears to have some obsessive personality disorder the way he finds a guy, good or bad, and just can't quit talking about him. Lawrence, Press, Doug, Boselli, now Ben Johnson...all examples of how he processes everything into a single target. The only difference is whether he's effusive in praise or criticism, but either way it seems compulsive for him.

He isn't the only one here banging this drum, and in light of the conversation being had (drop a blank check in the visiting locker room postdated to Jan 6), I don't see this call-out necessary.

Yes TDC responded to his post, but I got a more general reply to the conversation vibe than picking nits with the quoted post. Maybe I'm just enjoying my coffee, though.

TLDR, do we need to poke and start another back and forth?

The current one has yet to end...

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Jack Del Rio is apparently available again.

I kid. I kid.

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If Pederson gets fired after the Lions game, who becomes interim HC? Both coordinators suck so bad neither one of them should even be interim HC.

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If Pederson gets fired after the Lions game, who becomes interim HC?  Both coordinators suck so bad neither one of them should even be interim HC.

McCoy

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My big thing about Ben Johnson/Lions offense is that offense is revolved around Montgomery/Gibbs and one of the best offensive lines in football. We have yet to see an opposing team shut down that run game. Now, the Texans did a damn good job against the run. didn't shut it down, but were damn good. BEST we have seen a defense against their running offense. Forced Goff to throw, and he threw 5 interceptions while going 15/30. 

Everyone knows to beat the Lions you need to shut down their run heavy offense, but it's more of a matter if can you. Texans lined up and did a SOLID job. This is why in the playoffs I think this offense will flop this year. 

My point is, I really don't know how good Johnson is. If you are successful running the ball, like most great offenses, passing becomes easy. Lions have attempted the 4th least pass attempts this season, due to a much improved defense and that run game. For me the best OC option is Liam Coen. The job he has done with Baker is phenomenal.

Isn't this Coen's first year in Tampa? Last year Baker had Canales.

It is and Baker did good last season too with Canales so there is some caution. It just seems when you watch the Bucs O that it looks so good.

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If Pederson gets fired after the Lions game, who becomes interim HC?  Both coordinators suck so bad neither one of them should even be interim HC.

The real question is if Doug gets fired, does Press Taylor weep openly?

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If Pederson gets fired after the Lions game, who becomes interim HC?  Both coordinators suck so bad neither one of them should even be interim HC.

Special team coord. McCoy is a lame duck.

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Honestly, in this market I think we are going to be stuck with going 2nd tier retread. A Josh McDaniels, Robert Saleh, Adam Gase, Brandon Staley type. We arent getting the hot new coordinator if they have the choice of a bigger market. Maybe we can lure Darrell Bevell away from Miami.

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"Remember Red, Hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies."  - Andy Dufresne, The Shawshank Redemption

If Pederson gets fired after the Lions game, who becomes interim HC?  Both coordinators suck so bad neither one of them should even be interim HC.

The real question is if Doug gets fired, does Press Taylor weep openly?

My guess Kahn will not fire either Baalkie or Doug unless he is positive he can get an upgrade. Now with an offense that averages 20-22 ppg and a defense like it is that bar may not be real high.

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A new broom always sweeps clean.