It's outlandish that you want all these hyper-focused professional accomplishments and pin your hopes on someone who is completely unaccomplished in the field.

What makes you think Boselli is unaccomplished?  The dude is a real professional.  You don't think he's been learning about how to be the voice of a franchise for the years he's been doing that same dog on job?

There you go again, putting your simplistic expectations of what an EVP does on the job.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

What makes you think Boselli is unaccomplished?  The dude is a real professional.  You don't think he's been learning about how to be the voice of a franchise for the years he's been doing that same dog on job?

There you go again, putting your simplistic expectations of what an EVP does on the job.

Simplicity, sometimes, is the best approach.  I just think that it would be good to have a buffer to the owner.  And the best buffer would be a guy that is die hard for this franchise.  Who else would be the face of the franchise besides Tony?

To me, it seems like the obvious move to make.

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There you go again, putting your simplistic expectations of what an EVP does on the job.

Simplicity, sometimes, is the best approach.  I just think that it would be good to have a buffer to the owner.  And the best buffer would be a guy that is die hard for this franchise.  Who else would be the face of the franchise besides Tony?

To me, it seems like the obvious move to make.

Lol, the face of the franchise wears #16. 

EVPs aren't figureheads, mouthpieces, cheerleaders...certainly NOT the face of the franchise. Geez.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

I worry that both Brooks and Boselli lean hard into their analysis with the presumption of Jimmies over Joes. As in players have to step up and go out perform the other team, and stars are all that matters. While that is definitely a component of a winning franchise and you need some star players who play like stars. I think the league has dramatically leveled up scheme-wise since they were in the league to where you need force multipliers in the FO and coaching staff. You cannot win consistently with just okay to good coaches and GM's because you cannot always guarantee having a talent advantage.

For example, Boselli basically calls every OL coach good/great. That obviously cannot be the case. Bucky normally just keeps calling out the players in his podcast. It is definitely a bias from being players in the league.

I think either could be could be good assets as special advisors, but neither should have a large role as EVP. If either wanted to start being a lower role in the FO and work their way up, sure. But I doubt neither would do that.

I cannot believe a HOF football player with his name in the ring of honor and progressing in the media ranks would want to take the chance. There is a reward if successful, but is it enough to risk everything?

I'd say compare the salary of a rising media personality to an EVP and you should have your answer.

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Simplicity, sometimes, is the best approach.  I just think that it would be good to have a buffer to the owner.  And the best buffer would be a guy that is die hard for this franchise.  Who else would be the face of the franchise besides Tony?

To me, it seems like the obvious move to make.

Lol, the face of the franchise wears #16. 

EVPs aren't figureheads, mouthpieces, cheerleaders...certainly NOT the face of the franchise. Geez.

I was probably too hyperbolic with what I said.  

You got me on that one.  I'm just trying to say that an EVP would be best to turn this ship back towards the right direction.  The rest of what I said, I stand by.

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Lol, the face of the franchise wears #16. 

EVPs aren't figureheads, mouthpieces, cheerleaders...certainly NOT the face of the franchise. Geez.

I was probably too hyperbolic with what I said.  

You got me on that one.  I'm just trying to say that an EVP would be best to turn this ship back towards the right direction.  The rest of what I said, I stand by.

And I don't agree, the decision to hire an EVP to hire your GM is the same decision with extra steps.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Lol, the face of the franchise wears #16. 

EVPs aren't figureheads, mouthpieces, cheerleaders...certainly NOT the face of the franchise. Geez.

I was probably too hyperbolic with what I said.  

You got me on that one.  I'm just trying to say that an EVP would be best to turn this ship back towards the right direction.  The rest of what I said, I stand by.

...maybe you're on to something though, face of the franchise as EVP - let Trevor be the middle man and cheerleader and everything the EVP allegedly does.

Worked out for the Jest, right?

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I think we need to get some people from the Steelers building in here. The last time the Steelers had a LOSING record was 2003. Let that sink in. The LAST time the Steelers had a LOSING regular season record... was [BLEEP] 21 years ago.

Higher the entire Steelers FO, send them the blank check. They obviously do it right. 21 straight years of a NON LOSING record is [BLEEP] insane man.

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I think we need to get some people from the Steelers building in here. The last time the Steelers had a LOSING record was 2003. Let that sink in. The LAST time the Steelers had a LOSING regular season record... was [BLEEP] 21 years ago.

Higher the entire Steelers FO, send them the blank check. They obviously do it right. 21 straight years of a NON LOSING record is [BLEEP] insane man.

And still Steelers message boards have called for Tomlin to be fired the last 2 years.....

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"Remember Red, Hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies."  - Andy Dufresne, The Shawshank Redemption

I think we need to get some people from the Steelers building in here. The last time the Steelers had a LOSING record was 2003. Let that sink in. The LAST time the Steelers had a LOSING regular season record... was [BLEEP] 21 years ago.

Higher the entire Steelers FO, send them the blank check. They obviously do it right. 21 straight years of a NON LOSING record is [BLEEP] insane man.

Common denominator. Establish an identity, focus effort on that identity. Whether it's coaches, free agents, uniforms, everything points to the consistent, predictable modus operandi.

Give them credit, too. Patience is remarkable within that franchise. They've had 3 coaches in like 40 years. You don't prosper from hitting the reset button every 2-3 years. Doesn't hurt to hit on your picks, but they've had some flops, too. But everyone in the room knows exactly who they are, what they will be doing, and what is the expectation.

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I think we need to get some people from the Steelers building in here. The last time the Steelers had a LOSING record was 2003. Let that sink in. The LAST time the Steelers had a LOSING regular season record... was [BLEEP] 21 years ago.

Higher the entire Steelers FO, send them the blank check. They obviously do it right. 21 straight years of a NON LOSING record is [BLEEP] insane man.

And still Steelers message boards have called for Tomlin to be fired the last 2 years.....

....maybe there's something to be learned from a franchise that pays no attention to the howling wolves? Or maybe it just says something about the minds that frequent toothlimit.com or whatever the Stillers board is called.

They missed with Pickett. They moved on, and came out better. Even with Pickett, they still kept the record above .500!

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I think we need to get some people from the Steelers building in here. The last time the Steelers had a LOSING record was 2003. Let that sink in. The LAST time the Steelers had a LOSING regular season record... was [BLEEP] 21 years ago.

Higher the entire Steelers FO, send them the blank check. They obviously do it right. 21 straight years of a NON LOSING record is [BLEEP] insane man.

And still Steelers message boards have called for Tomlin to be fired the last 2 years.....

Because he can't get over the hump. They have a good org and coaches but you have to ask do they believe they can win the superbowl? If they are honest, the answer is no. Can they find a better coach though? That's the huge risk.

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I think we need to get some people from the Steelers building in here. The last time the Steelers had a LOSING record was 2003. Let that sink in. The LAST time the Steelers had a LOSING regular season record... was [BLEEP] 21 years ago.

Higher the entire Steelers FO, send them the blank check. They obviously do it right. 21 straight years of a NON LOSING record is [BLEEP] insane man.

Common denominator. Establish an identity, focus effort on that identity. Whether it's coaches, free agents, uniforms, everything points to the consistent, predictable modus operandi.

Give them credit, too. Patience is remarkable within that franchise. They've had 3 coaches in like 40 years. You don't prosper from hitting the reset button every 2-3 years. Doesn't hurt to hit on your picks, but they've had some flops, too. But everyone in the room knows exactly who they are, what they will be doing, and what is the expectation.

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And still Steelers message boards have called for Tomlin to be fired the last 2 years.....

....maybe there's something to be learned from a franchise that pays no attention to the howling wolves? Or maybe it just says something about the minds that frequent toothlimit.com or whatever the Stillers board is called.

They missed with Pickett. They moved on, and came out better. Even with Pickett, they still kept the record above .500!

I heard the tittians won that lawsuit for stealing their URL, I guess the judge determined the case prima facie just seeing the plaintiff walk in the courtroom. The new official team website for pittsburgh is now www.heifersinyellow.com

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

And still Steelers message boards have called for Tomlin to be fired the last 2 years.....

Because he can't get over the hump. They have a good org and coaches but you have to ask do they believe they can win the superbowl? If they are honest, the answer is no. Can they find a better coach though? That's the huge risk.

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The problem is that replacing the head coach is the easiest significant change an organization can make, but it seldom makes a difference. 

Sometimes a coach is clearly not good, like sprinkles was here, but most coaches are only as good as their GM's drafting allows them to be.

We're seeing it here right now in Jax where Baalke has managed to turn high draft picks into mostly just okay players. 

The Jaguars got lucky and woke up on third base with Trevor, and since then Khan has been hard at work making sure Trevor's best years go to waste with a GM that can't project NFL talent. 

Hopefully Khan is already planning for Baalke's replacement and giving them free rein to pick a head coach.

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Because he can't get over the hump. They have a good org and coaches but you have to ask do they believe they can win the superbowl? If they are honest, the answer is no. Can they find a better coach though? That's the huge risk.

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The problem is that replacing the head coach is the easiest significant change an organization can make, but it seldom makes a difference. 

Sometimes a coach is clearly not good, like sprinkles was here, but most coaches are only as good as their GM's dragging allows them to be.

We're seeing it here right now in Jax where Baalke has managed to turn high draft picks into mostly just okay players. 

The Jaguars got lucky and woke up on third base with Trevor, and since then Khan has been hard at work making sure Trevor's best years go to waste with a GM that can't project NFL talent. 

Hopefully Khan is already planning for Baalke's replacement and giving them free rein to pick a head coach.

What can I say, bro? There just aren’t any good offensive linemen available with sufficient arm length.

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I'd do it for $100,000 per year. With a $100,000 signing bonus so I can pay off my house.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

I think we need to get some people from the Steelers building in here. The last time the Steelers had a LOSING record was 2003. Let that sink in. The LAST time the Steelers had a LOSING regular season record... was [BLEEP] 21 years ago.

Higher the entire Steelers FO, send them the blank check. They obviously do it right. 21 straight years of a NON LOSING record is [BLEEP] insane man.

Common denominator. Establish an identity, focus effort on that identity. Whether it's coaches, free agents, uniforms, everything points to the consistent, predictable modus operandi.

Give them credit, too. Patience is remarkable within that franchise. They've had 3 coaches in like 40 years. You don't prosper from hitting the reset button every 2-3 years. Doesn't hurt to hit on your picks, but they've had some flops, too. But everyone in the room knows exactly who they are, what they will be doing, and what is the expectation.

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And still Steelers message boards have called for Tomlin to be fired the last 2 years.....

....maybe there's something to be learned from a franchise that pays no attention to the howling wolves? Or maybe it just says something about the minds that frequent toothlimit.com or whatever the Stillers board is called.

They missed with Pickett. They moved on, and came out better. Even with Pickett, they still kept the record above .500!

Regarding the whole identity thing: 

While I think it is a largely overrated concept in team building by many fans and pundits there is a relevancy to the Jags situation. 

Doug came in knowing he'd run some version of his mesh concept offense somewhat tailored to the talent he had available. It sort of worked eventually after a bumpy start-  but because they never invested in the OL it had glaring weaknesses that shifted around year to year and even during seasons. 
They masked one weakness for a while with a particular set of plays until defenses sorted that out - then they applied duct tape elsewhere to half-way fix that issue - then they cinched up a few zip ties to mask the latest exposure by better defensive coordinators...
And the merry go round of trying to hide a weak offensive line has landed them with an unidentifiable, amorphous offense that puts its quarterback's back against the wall and dares him not to screw it up. 
Not excusing Trevor's mistakes that are unforced and the areas he needs to improve, but this current mutation of Doug's offense does him few favors and too often forces him to rip low percentage throws. 

OUR common denominator under Doug has been a failure to address the trenches. 

And unfortunately, that's our only real identity that has been consistent. 

Coaches have the difficult task of balancing a preconceived scheme and intended identity with the reality of working through camp with their roster and discovering how well intention meets reality with the talent and skillsets available. 

So far - Doug and his various staff have either planned the wrong scheme for their roster or failed to adapt scheme to meet the personnel strengths and weaknesses they are saddled with. 

I still put most of the failure on player execution - but in year three that also points back to coaching, so... after all that...
It would be really nice to see a GM that really knows how to get his coaches what they need to excel in their scheme.
(Even if it's a GM that has to get in the face of a Doug Pederson and tell him, "Stop making me pick these ultra athletic linemen! It's gonna bite you in the [BLEEP]!")

And you obviously need coaches that know how to adjust scheme to compromise for players that don't fit perfectly.

Every new staff claims to possess these qualities or aspire to them anyway. 
Few actually pull it off.

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Common denominator. Establish an identity, focus effort on that identity. Whether it's coaches, free agents, uniforms, everything points to the consistent, predictable modus operandi.

Give them credit, too. Patience is remarkable within that franchise. They've had 3 coaches in like 40 years. You don't prosper from hitting the reset button every 2-3 years. Doesn't hurt to hit on your picks, but they've had some flops, too. But everyone in the room knows exactly who they are, what they will be doing, and what is the expectation.

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....maybe there's something to be learned from a franchise that pays no attention to the howling wolves? Or maybe it just says something about the minds that frequent toothlimit.com or whatever the Stillers board is called.

They missed with Pickett. They moved on, and came out better. Even with Pickett, they still kept the record above .500!

Regarding the whole identity thing: 

While I think it is a largely overrated concept in team building by many fans and pundits there is a relevancy to the Jags situation. 

Doug came in knowing he'd run some version of his mesh concept offense somewhat tailored to the talent he had available. It sort of worked eventually after a bumpy start-  but because they never invested in the OL it had glaring weaknesses that shifted around year to year and even during seasons. 
They masked one weakness for a while with a particular set of plays until defenses sorted that out - then they applied duct tape elsewhere to half-way fix that issue - then they cinched up a few zip ties to mask the latest exposure by better defensive coordinators...
And the merry go round of trying to hide a weak offensive line has landed them with an unidentifiable, amorphous offense that puts its quarterback's back against the wall and dares him not to screw it up. 
Not excusing Trevor's mistakes that are unforced and the areas he needs to improve, but this current mutation of Doug's offense does him few favors and too often forces him to rip low percentage throws. 

OUR common denominator under Doug has been a failure to address the trenches. 

And unfortunately, that's our only real identity that has been consistent. 

Coaches have the difficult task of balancing a preconceived scheme and intended identity with the reality of working through camp with their roster and discovering how well intention meets reality with the talent and skillsets available. 

So far - Doug and his various staff have either planned the wrong scheme for their roster or failed to adapt scheme to meet the personnel strengths and weaknesses they are saddled with. 

I still put most of the failure on player execution - but in year three that also points back to coaching, so... after all that...
It would be really nice to see a GM that really knows how to get his coaches what they need to excel in their scheme.
(Even if it's a GM that has to get in the face of a Doug Pederson and tell him, "Stop making me pick these ultra athletic linemen! It's gonna bite you in the [BLEEP]!")

Andrew obviously need coaches that know how to adjust scheme to compromise for players that don't fit perfectly.

Every new staff claims to possess these qualities or aspire to them anyway. 
Few actually pull it off.

So you're saying...the team needs to get bigger...and stronger?

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Regarding the whole identity thing: 

While I think it is a largely overrated concept in team building by many fans and pundits there is a relevancy to the Jags situation. 

Doug came in knowing he'd run some version of his mesh concept offense somewhat tailored to the talent he had available. It sort of worked eventually after a bumpy start-  but because they never invested in the OL it had glaring weaknesses that shifted around year to year and even during seasons. 
They masked one weakness for a while with a particular set of plays until defenses sorted that out - then they applied duct tape elsewhere to half-way fix that issue - then they cinched up a few zip ties to mask the latest exposure by better defensive coordinators...
And the merry go round of trying to hide a weak offensive line has landed them with an unidentifiable, amorphous offense that puts its quarterback's back against the wall and dares him not to screw it up. 
Not excusing Trevor's mistakes that are unforced and the areas he needs to improve, but this current mutation of Doug's offense does him few favors and too often forces him to rip low percentage throws. 

OUR common denominator under Doug has been a failure to address the trenches. 

And unfortunately, that's our only real identity that has been consistent. 

Coaches have the difficult task of balancing a preconceived scheme and intended identity with the reality of working through camp with their roster and discovering how well intention meets reality with the talent and skillsets available. 

So far - Doug and his various staff have either planned the wrong scheme for their roster or failed to adapt scheme to meet the personnel strengths and weaknesses they are saddled with. 

I still put most of the failure on player execution - but in year three that also points back to coaching, so... after all that...
It would be really nice to see a GM that really knows how to get his coaches what they need to excel in their scheme.
(Even if it's a GM that has to get in the face of a Doug Pederson and tell him, "Stop making me pick these ultra athletic linemen! It's gonna bite you in the [BLEEP]!")

Andrew obviously need coaches that know how to adjust scheme to compromise for players that don't fit perfectly.

Every new staff claims to possess these qualities or aspire to them anyway. 
Few actually pull it off.

So you're saying...the team needs to get bigger...and stronger?

Been saying it since 2018 in one way or another.

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So you're saying...the team needs to get bigger...and stronger?

Been saying it since 2018 in one way or another.

Winning football games is the only way to establish an identity that you want to be associated with. You do not want the identity a losing team establishes.
Bigger, faster and stronger

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A new broom always sweeps clean.

Fire Baalke on Monday, and get a group of NFL professionals that love Jacksonville to help with the search for a real culture.

This is what Detroit did. And look how well they are doing. You gotta get rid of Baalke. But you also have to have a hiring group that cares about your franchise. At least find a group of professionals that have passion for Duval that are willing to find a like minded person that wants to put in the hard work.

The problem is that we never seem to hire people that are passionate enough to put in the work. There are former jaguars that are willing to vet executives. Give them the chance to do it.

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