Pinning a win/loss record on a hands off owner is pretty [BLEEP] stupid to begin with.

It's sort of like blaming the guy that gave you the silent partner start up money for a new business when the business fails.

One hell of a correlation fail.

Anyway - I'll stick with my not so bold prediction that we are hiring a new GM and HC in the Spring.

Urban Meyer and Doug Pederson were both hand picked decisions by Shad. He said so himself in both opening press conferences with the “I got it right this time” comments. He’s a lot more hands on than you believe, or you’re just ignoring those things. Caldwell and Baalke both on Shad, and the inability to clean house directly on Shad. Double GM with Coughlin, on Shad. Pretty wild to believe he’s hands off lol.

LOL 

They have hired a consulting firm or formed a committee/braintrust for every single search since he bought the team.  He had help and advice. Don't be so naive. Or don't be so disingenuous in order to try salvaging your garbage take. 
It's one or the other. Take your pick. 

Like I said - if I gave you $500K to start a business and the business failed - it's not my fault the business failed - it's yours. I merely believed the wrong person's interview when deciding where to invest my money. 

Shad Khan has done this multiple times at this point. And he is not free from blame for that. But so have many NFL owners, over and over again, all around the league. 

Look at this list of NYJ GMs and the win percentages that came from their management:

https://www.retroseasons.com/teams/new-y...-managers/

Browns:  https://www.retroseasons.com/teams/cleve...-managers/

Mark Davis kept Reggie McKenzie running the raiders for 7 years despite going 40 and 72 in that span. 

Redskins went nine years under Cerrato with a losing record and then nine more under Bruce Allen with a losing record. 

Have a look at the current AFCS contenders craptastic history of GMs:
https://www.retroseasons.com/teams/houst...-managers/

I can go on and on with this. A quality GM is like a franchise QB: There are NOT 32 of them out there to go around or every team would have better rosters and coaching staffs.

Hiring the wrong guy to manage a football team is very common and you're hyperbolizing Khan's complicity rather than limiting it to being the overarching vote in a joint decision to hire GMs (and sometimes coaches) 
He left coaching hires to the GM in most cases.

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Urban Meyer and Doug Pederson were both hand picked decisions by Shad. He said so himself in both opening press conferences with the “I got it right this time” comments. He’s a lot more hands on than you believe, or you’re just ignoring those things. Caldwell and Baalke both on Shad, and the inability to clean house directly on Shad. Double GM with Coughlin, on Shad. Pretty wild to believe he’s hands off lol.

LOL 

They have hired a consulting firm or formed a committee/braintrust for every single search since he bought the team.  He had help and advice. Don't be so naive. Or don't be so disingenuous in order to try salvaging your garbage take. 
It's one or the other. Take your pick. 

Like I said - if I gave you $500K to start a business and the business failed - it's not my fault the business failed - it's yours. I merely believed the wrong person's interview when deciding where to invest my money. 

Shad Khan has done this multiple times at this point. And he is not free from blame for that. But so have many NFL owners, over and over again, all around the league. 

Look at this list of NYJ GMs and the win percentages that came from their management:

https://www.retroseasons.com/teams/new-y...-managers/

Browns:  https://www.retroseasons.com/teams/cleve...-managers/

Mark Davis kept Reggie McKenzie running the raiders for 7 years despite going 40 and 72 in that span. 

Redskins went nine years under Cerrato with a losing record and then nine more under Bruce Allen with a losing record. 

Have a look at the current AFCS contenders craptastic history of GMs:
https://www.retroseasons.com/teams/houst...-managers/

I can go on and on with this. A quality GM is like a franchise QB:  There are NOT 32 of them out there to go around or every team would have better rosters and coaching staffs.

Hiring the wrong guy to manage a football team is very common and you're hyperbolizing Khan's complicity rather than limiting it to being the overarching vote in a joint decision to hire GMs (and sometimes coaches) 
He left coaching hires to the GM in most cases.

Yeah, again, not sure what you're missing but you're wrong. He handpicked the last 2 HC's specifically. They were HIS calls. Do you not recall the press conferences? Shad Khan, literally, reached out to Urban and Doug FIRST. They would not of picked up the phone from Trent. The GM's, Coughlin, Marrone too, all on Shad. Not sure why you are blindly not seeing that. It's also been his calls to not fully reset, there is always some stench left behind. Again, this is 100% on Khan. Thinking elsewise is delusional, it's not even a debate lol. We have over a decade of evidence of his horrendous decision making. From a football perspective he's the worst owner in the league, and is the reason we are back to being a dumpster fire. It feels inevitable, that Baalke will be retained, and BB will come here. BB is not answering the calls from Trent, he's going to answer Shad's phonecall and wallet.

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LOL 

They have hired a consulting firm or formed a committee/braintrust for every single search since he bought the team.  He had help and advice. Don't be so naive. Or don't be so disingenuous in order to try salvaging your garbage take. 
It's one or the other. Take your pick. 

Like I said - if I gave you $500K to start a business and the business failed - it's not my fault the business failed - it's yours. I merely believed the wrong person's interview when deciding where to invest my money. 

Shad Khan has done this multiple times at this point. And he is not free from blame for that. But so have many NFL owners, over and over again, all around the league. 

Look at this list of NYJ GMs and the win percentages that came from their management:

https://www.retroseasons.com/teams/new-y...-managers/

Browns:  https://www.retroseasons.com/teams/cleve...-managers/

Mark Davis kept Reggie McKenzie running the raiders for 7 years despite going 40 and 72 in that span. 

Redskins went nine years under Cerrato with a losing record and then nine more under Bruce Allen with a losing record. 

Have a look at the current AFCS contenders craptastic history of GMs:
https://www.retroseasons.com/teams/houst...-managers/

I can go on and on with this. A quality GM is like a franchise QB:  There are NOT 32 of them out there to go around or every team would have better rosters and coaching staffs.

Hiring the wrong guy to manage a football team is very common and you're hyperbolizing Khan's complicity rather than limiting it to being the overarching vote in a joint decision to hire GMs (and sometimes coaches) 
He left coaching hires to the GM in most cases.

Yeah, again, not sure what you're missing but you're wrong. He handpicked the last 2 HC's specifically. They were HIS calls. Do you not recall the press conferences? Shad Khan, literally, reached out to Urban and Doug FIRST. They would not of picked up the phone from Trent. The GM's, Coughlin, Marrone too, all on Shad. Not sure why you are blindly not seeing that. It's also been his calls to not fully reset, there is always some stench left behind. Again, this is 100% on Khan. Thinking elsewise is delusional, it's not even a debate lol. We have over a decade of evidence of his horrendous decision making. From a football perspective he's the worst owner in the league, and is the reason we are back to being a dumpster fire. It feels inevitable, that Baalke will be retained, and BB will come here. BB is not answering the calls from Trent, he's going to answer Shad's phonecall and wallet.

You are literally just inventing what you think happened based off of a comment at a press conference that in no way paints a full picture of the various searches you are attempting to misrepresent. 

The Jaguars' search committee interviewed 4 head coach candidates in 2020 including Meyer and they requested a fifth but were denied. 

They interviewed four GM candidates as well. 

But, sure, go ahead and make up whatever horse [BLEEP] makes you feel better about your nonsensical Khan hate. 

I know you're full of [BLEEP]. That's all that matters to me. 

And Meyer is the guy you want to focus on here?? 
They fired him midseason! LOL

Whatever your "feelings" about Baalke sticking around may be, I believe those are just as misguided as your invented perception of the candidate search and hiring process Khan has been part of over his tenure.

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LOL 

They have hired a consulting firm or formed a committee/braintrust for every single search since he bought the team.  He had help and advice. Don't be so naive. Or don't be so disingenuous in order to try salvaging your garbage take. 
It's one or the other. Take your pick. 

Like I said - if I gave you $500K to start a business and the business failed - it's not my fault the business failed - it's yours. I merely believed the wrong person's interview when deciding where to invest my money. 

Shad Khan has done this multiple times at this point. And he is not free from blame for that. But so have many NFL owners, over and over again, all around the league. 

Look at this list of NYJ GMs and the win percentages that came from their management:

https://www.retroseasons.com/teams/new-y...-managers/

Browns:  https://www.retroseasons.com/teams/cleve...-managers/

Mark Davis kept Reggie McKenzie running the raiders for 7 years despite going 40 and 72 in that span. 

Redskins went nine years under Cerrato with a losing record and then nine more under Bruce Allen with a losing record. 

Have a look at the current AFCS contenders craptastic history of GMs:
https://www.retroseasons.com/teams/houst...-managers/

I can go on and on with this. A quality GM is like a franchise QB:  There are NOT 32 of them out there to go around or every team would have better rosters and coaching staffs.

Hiring the wrong guy to manage a football team is very common and you're hyperbolizing Khan's complicity rather than limiting it to being the overarching vote in a joint decision to hire GMs (and sometimes coaches) 
He left coaching hires to the GM in most cases.

Yeah, again, not sure what you're missing but you're wrong. He handpicked the last 2 HC's specifically. They were HIS calls. Do you not recall the press conferences? Shad Khan, literally, reached out to Urban and Doug FIRST. They would not of picked up the phone from Trent. The GM's, Coughlin, Marrone too, all on Shad. Not sure why you are blindly not seeing that. It's also been his calls to not fully reset, there is always some stench left behind. Again, this is 100% on Khan. Thinking elsewise is delusional, it's not even a debate lol. We have over a decade of evidence of his horrendous decision making. From a football perspective he's the worst owner in the league, and is the reason we are back to being a dumpster fire. It feels inevitable, that Baalke will be retained, and BB will come here. BB is not answering the calls from Trent, he's going to answer Shad's phonecall and wallet.

I agree that Shad has some blame on his ledger. 

My question for most people who want Shad gone as the owner though is how many other owners in the NFL would you rather have?

Honestly. Most of them like NYC point out have made just as many bad decisions. Many of them are tighter with money or more meddlesome in team building/management. I doubt most of them would have seen the yearly London game as the opportunity that Shad recognized to help the financials of the team. And large number would have tried to move the team.

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Pinning a win/loss record on a hands off owner is pretty [BLEEP] stupid to begin with.

It's sort of like blaming the guy that gave you the silent partner start up money for a new business when the business fails.

One hell of a correlation fail.

Anyway - I'll stick with my not so bold prediction that we are hiring a new GM and HC in the Spring.

Just to continue your analogy if the silent partner invested in a bad business venture should he be surprised when it fails?

In this case shad is the silent partner but he picked Trent and Doug. The fans are the unwitting public this product was foisted on.

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I do not believe anyone with a sane mind is blaming Shad for the record. They are blaming Shad for his continuous behavior of waiting too long to make a change.  We seen how long it took with Dave Caldwell, Gus, and other decisions.

The Jags just have not been bad under Shad.  They have been historically bad. 

Shad needs to find another way to get the right personal in place.  The fans try to tell him with the clown mask but fell on deaf ears.  Here we are again.  The Stadium is cool, the shipyard is cool, but most fans want a winner.  Shad is the lone common denominator in the Jaguars failure.

Yea I am not a fan of Oesher either.  I use to read the Ozone a bit and now call it the No zone.

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Yea I am not a fan of Oesher either.  I use to read the Ozone a bit and now call it the No zone.

It's fun to blame a media personality instead of the coaches.

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I don't think you can fire the owner. It's really not his job to win football games. He is the financial overseer of the team, which has some pretty nice facilities and has the trust of the city that the franchise is staying. Has lived up to the promises to Wayne Weaver and the city of Jacksonville. We've had proven, experienced, rising leadership of the league pass through and things just don't pan out. We get some one year wonders and think we have something to build on and the friggin wheels just fall off over night.

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Shad reminds me of a guy who is too stubborn and refuses to be told what to do. That's why he holds onto people way longer than needed as he doesn't want to be seen as the guy who reacts to the media but instead makes the decisions himself.

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Shad Khan has kept the team in Jacksonville, invested large sums in the city, invested large sums in the team facilities, hired football people and let them run the team without interference, while giving them all the resources they need to hire free agents and sign drafted players to long term contracts.  In those respects, he has been the best owner possible.  The one thing he's done wrong is hire the wrong people to run the team. 

I think he's trying his best in that regard, he's just made some bad choices there.  But one of these days, he'll get the right guys in there and everything will be okay. 

I'm not down on the guy.  We're very lucky to have him.  Believe me, a different owner would have moved this team out of Jacksonville a long time ago.

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Shad Khan has kept the team in Jacksonville, invested large sums in the city, invested large sums in the team facilities, hired football people and let them run the team without interference, while giving them all the resources they need to hire free agents and sign drafted players to long term contracts.  In those respects, he has been the best owner possible.  The one thing he's done wrong is hire the wrong people to run the team. 

I think he's trying his best in that regard, he's just made some bad choices there.  But one of these days, he'll get the right guys in there and everything will be okay. 

I'm not down on the guy.  We're very lucky to have him.  Believe me, a different owner would have moved this team out of Jacksonville a long time ago.

We could have David Tepper. 

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Shad Khan has kept the team in Jacksonville, invested large sums in the city, invested large sums in the team facilities, hired football people and let them run the team without interference, while giving them all the resources they need to hire free agents and sign drafted players to long term contracts.  In those respects, he has been the best owner possible.  The one thing he's done wrong is hire the wrong people to run the team. 

I think he's trying his best in that regard, he's just made some bad choices there.  But one of these days, he'll get the right guys in there and everything will be okay. 

I'm not down on the guy.  We're very lucky to have him.  Believe me, a different owner would have moved this team out of Jacksonville a long time ago.

Agreed. We're lucky to have him. Just hasn't hit on the front office and coaching hires. Partially self inflicted (baalke) but some of it is just luck.

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Scouting well is all that matters.  Draft philosophy is all fluff.

Shad Khan has kept the team in Jacksonville, invested large sums in the city, invested large sums in the team facilities, hired football people and let them run the team without interference, while giving them all the resources they need to hire free agents and sign drafted players to long term contracts.  In those respects, he has been the best owner possible.  The one thing he's done wrong is hire the wrong people to run the team. 

I think he's trying his best in that regard, he's just made some bad choices there.  But one of these days, he'll get the right guys in there and everything will be okay. 

I'm not down on the guy.  We're very lucky to have him.  Believe me, a different owner would have moved this team out of Jacksonville a long time ago.

We could have David Tepper. 

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Shad Khan has kept the team in Jacksonville, invested large sums in the city, invested large sums in the team facilities, hired football people and let them run the team without interference, while giving them all the resources they need to hire free agents and sign drafted players to long term contracts.  In those respects, he has been the best owner possible.  The one thing he's done wrong is hire the wrong people to run the team. 

I think he's trying his best in that regard, he's just made some bad choices there.  But one of these days, he'll get the right guys in there and everything will be okay. 

I'm not down on the guy.  We're very lucky to have him.  Believe me, a different owner would have moved this team out of Jacksonville a long time ago.

Honest question. How has Shad Khan invested in the city? Maybe some stuff at the beach? Downtown is worse off than before he got here and is a homeless wasteland. His legacy for improving this city is all artist renderings and almost zero tangible output.

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Shad Khan has kept the team in Jacksonville, invested large sums in the city, invested large sums in the team facilities, hired football people and let them run the team without interference, while giving them all the resources they need to hire free agents and sign drafted players to long term contracts.  In those respects, he has been the best owner possible.  The one thing he's done wrong is hire the wrong people to run the team. 

I think he's trying his best in that regard, he's just made some bad choices there.  But one of these days, he'll get the right guys in there and everything will be okay. 

I'm not down on the guy.  We're very lucky to have him.  Believe me, a different owner would have moved this team out of Jacksonville a long time ago.

Honest question. How has Shad Khan invested in the city? Maybe some stuff at the beach? Downtown is worse off than before he got here and is a homeless wasteland. His legacy for improving this city is all artist renderings and almost zero tangible output.

The four seasons is going up. And wasn't daily's place his doing?

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

Honest question. How has Shad Khan invested in the city? Maybe some stuff at the beach? Downtown is worse off than before he got here and is a homeless wasteland. His legacy for improving this city is all artist renderings and almost zero tangible output.

The four seasons is going up. And wasn't daily's place his doing?

The current growth of Jacksonville to this point would have been the same with or without Shad Khan. I think he has good intentions,  but to pretend he has done great things for COJ to this point is a bit of a reach IMO.

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Yea I am not a fan of Oesher either.  I use to read the Ozone a bit and now call it the No zone.

The big common denominator is Brian Sexton.  He truly sucks.

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Yea I am not a fan of Oesher either.  I use to read the Ozone a bit and now call it the No zone.

It's fun to blame a media personality instead of the coaches.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

The four seasons is going up. And wasn't daily's place his doing?

The current growth of Jacksonville to this point would have been the same with or without Shad Khan. I think he has good intentions,  but to pretend he has done great things for COJ to this point is a bit of a reach IMO.

Sports teams in general don't drive economic growth in any metro area.
But redevelopment of a specific area, like downtown or east side Jacksonville, takes vision, and hopefully Shad is providing that.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

It's fun to blame a media personality instead of the coaches.

The joke was covered in lead...  What can I tell ya...  I can't catch them all.  But yes, I figured it out...  Eventually.  Just like all things.  I'm kinda slow.

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