He bad, real bad.

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Looking to troll? Don't bother, we supply our own.

 

 

Boy, opinions are all over the map. 

Mac Jones is a very good backup quarterback.

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hoping to build our draft capital and the only way that can be done is by losing our games.  thought Mac could definitely get us there...

Building draft capital is nice, but drafting the right guys is 1,000 times more important.  I no longer care if we have a high draft pick or not.  What I care about is getting a good GM and a good HC and letting them sort things out.  That is 1,000 times more important than whether we have the 1st pick or the 8th pick.

Thank you!

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If Trevor retires, his statistics will be an enigma. We will never be sure which he has more of: Passing TDs or Excuses

If he retires he will be a legend for some people here, they will say he was great, generational talent etc that we didn't help him, we ruined him and that's why he never shined etc lol

Quick question.

Do you think this organization has set him up to succeed?

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Lawrence is a hit away from retirement but Mac is not the answer. Expect Baalke to look for a long arm Qb with big hands, someone with a prior acl tear for bonus points.

Every player is a hit away from retirement every play. Quit with this overly dramatic bull squeeze, we only need one Snowie to Eeyore the message board.

We don’t agree on priority rankings and that’s ok. That’s why it’s an opinion, and it’s ok to be different. You clearly have made your case that football goes before everything. I’m just trying to enlighten you that maybe, just maybe, Trevor prioritizes family moving forward and he also has 200 guaranteed million reasons to back him up on that. If I’m him, and I’m knocked out on the field again in a fencing position…. It’s dueces to this dumpster fire of a franchise.

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Boy, opinions are all over the map. 

Mac Jones is a very good backup quarterback.

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Building draft capital is nice, but drafting the right guys is 1,000 times more important.  I no longer care if we have a high draft pick or not.  What I care about is getting a good GM and a good HC and letting them sort things out.  That is 1,000 times more important than whether we have the 1st pick or the 8th pick.

Thank you!

It does seem like we would have learned that lesson by now, with two #1 draft picks in the last 4 years, and we're 3-10.  Obviously, having the #1 pick is not the key to success.  Having the #1 pick means you suck, you're the worst team in the league.  Does anyone really want to be the worst team in the league again so we can get the #1 overall pick again?  Not me.

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LOL, our game plan for the Titans last week was "get lucky" Now it is a certainty we did just that, it worked so what. If our mole we arraigned to infiltrate the Titans had not come through for us we would have lost again. Yea I am looking at Ridley ... LOL

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A new broom always sweeps clean.

Every player is a hit away from retirement every play. Quit with this overly dramatic bull squeeze, we only need one Snowie to Eeyore the message board.

We don’t agree on priority rankings and that’s ok. That’s why it’s an opinion, and it’s ok to be different. You clearly have made your case that football goes before everything. I’m just trying to enlighten you that maybe, just maybe, Trevor prioritizes family moving forward and he also has 200 guaranteed million reasons to back him up on that. If I’m him, and I’m knocked out on the field again in a fencing position…. It’s dueces to this dumpster fire of a franchise.

Your opinion depends on wild speculation. 

If it were rooted in reality Tua would have retired 3 concussions ago. 

But instead he threw for 330 yards and 2 TDs yeterday. 

Also - the "football before everything" bit is some weak [BLEEP] gaslighting. Try harder. 
And you aren't "enlightening" anyone at all by assuming some worst case scenario narrative horse [BLEEP]. 

I think it's 500 times more likely that Lawrence plays at least 14 games next year and entrenches himself as "the guy" even further than him retiring after the next big hit.

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We don’t agree on priority rankings and that’s ok. That’s why it’s an opinion, and it’s ok to be different. You clearly have made your case that football goes before everything. I’m just trying to enlighten you that maybe, just maybe, Trevor prioritizes family moving forward and he also has 200 guaranteed million reasons to back him up on that. If I’m him, and I’m knocked out on the field again in a fencing position…. It’s dueces to this dumpster fire of a franchise.

Your opinion depends on wild speculation. 

If it were rooted in reality Tua would have retired 3 concussions ago. 

But instead he threw for 330 yards and 2 TDs yeterday. 

Also - the "football before everything" bit is some weak [BLEEP] gaslighting. Try harder. 
And you aren't "enlightening" anyone at all by assuming some worst case scenario narrative horse [BLEEP]. 

I think it's 500 times more likely that Lawrence plays at least 14 games next year and entrenches himself as "the guy" even further than him retiring after the next big hit.

Dude what? I’m literally talking to flsprtsgod, we had this conversation already in a different thread. I’m not talking in generalities, I’m talking about his opinion and my opinion, and you’re over here full on psycho mode on me lmao.

And for the record, I’m not here claiming to know what Trevor thinks. Nobody here can. I’m simply saying, peoples priorities tend to change due to life altering injuries. What the [BLEEP] are we even arguing here lmao?

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He still makes plenty of mistakes

The interceptions are a problem, and he can't seem to get on thr same page with btj for those deep shots

Lawrence or Mac, It's hard to tell who you are talking about but I agree on both.

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Lawrence is a hit away from retirement but Mac is not the answer. Expect Baalke to look for a long arm Qb with big hands, someone with a prior acl tear for bonus points.

Every player is a hit away from retirement every play. Quit with this overly dramatic bull squeeze, we only need one Snowie to Eeyore the message board.

This is no BS man.  The NFL is taking this stuff seriously with all the lawsuits.  Tua has had 3 bad concussions while Lawrence has had 2.  Lawrence has has 2 in a short time frame.  The real concern was that last hit he had the howl wavy arm symptom going on in the ground.  Normally when a play is concussed more than once it is a pattern.  I am not wishing for any harm to come to the man but it's reality.  If he takes another bit shot in the near future and it's a concussion, Retirement talk with follow shortly thereafter.  You can take that to the bank.  Look at Tua who is a better QB than Trevor.  The pressure was already on him after his last concussion by the media and some of his peers.

I for one do not want to put all of my eggs in the Lawrence basket.  I have seen enough in 4 years to say I have lost faith in him.  That is just my opinion. The fact is the team needs a plan B.

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If Trevor retires, his statistics will be an enigma. We will never be sure which he has more of: Passing TDs or Excuses

If he retires he will be a legend for some people here, they will say he was great, generational talent etc that we didn't help him, we ruined him and that's why he never shined etc lol

You just highlighted the problem.  Some are such blind fans they are not looking at the situation correctly. He isn't a bad QB but time to face facts he probably will never be a star or considered elite outside of the blind fans.

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Boy, opinions are all over the map. 

Mac Jones is a very good backup quarterback.

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hoping to build our draft capital and the only way that can be done is by losing our games.  thought Mac could definitely get us there...

Building draft capital is nice, but drafting the right guys is 1,000 times more important.  I no longer care if we have a high draft pick or not.  What I care about is getting a good GM and a good HC and letting them sort things out.  That is 1,000 times more important than whether we have the 1st pick or the 8th pick.

I no longer care about how high we pick.  It's not about where you pick it's who you pick.  The elite teams in the league always draft near the middle to bottom of the draft but they stay good.  I can't remember the last time the Steelers had a top 10 pick but they are competitive every year.

The truth is our scouting sucks, the GM sucks, and the owner refuses to hold the staff accountable.

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Thank you!

It does seem like we would have learned that lesson by now, with two #1 draft picks in the last 4 years, and we're 3-10.  Obviously, having the #1 pick is not the key to success.  Having the #1 pick means you suck, you're the worst team in the league.  Does anyone really want to be the worst team in the league again so we can get the #1 overall pick again?  Not me.

Thank you. I thought I was taking crazy pills reading some of these posts. We've shown again and again that #1 picks, hell top 5 picks don't make a difference. There's so much evidence but now it's going to be different? 

I'm tired of getting the #1 pick being a good outcome for the season  and something we should aim for. I'd much rather be a team like the Panthers who are fighting like crazy right now with a bad roster but showing heart and effort. Time and time again I'm seeing people on here saying we need to be like this team or that team (basically whoever is good this season). This year it's the Lions. Well let's look at the Lions under Dan Campbell.

The first season they started 0-10-1 before winning a game and ended up 3-13-1. Next season they started 1-6 before turning it around and going 9-8 and missing the playoffs. Next season they start 8-2 and finish 12-5. At no point did they pack it in and give up. They fought even when endlessly losing and that culture and approach paid off in the long term. I'm sick of us accepting bad seasons and complaining when we win games. That's been the culture round here way too long and needs to change. Especially with some fans.

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Every player is a hit away from retirement every play. Quit with this overly dramatic bull squeeze, we only need one Snowie to Eeyore the message board.

We don’t agree on priority rankings and that’s ok. That’s why it’s an opinion, and it’s ok to be different. You clearly have made your case that football goes before everything. I’m just trying to enlighten you that maybe, just maybe, Trevor prioritizes family moving forward and he also has 200 guaranteed million reasons to back him up on that. If I’m him, and I’m knocked out on the field again in a fencing position…. It’s dueces to this dumpster fire of a franchise.

Not trying to pile on, but the ~200 million reasons are only guaranteed if he continues playing...otherwise he's going to have to pay back what he's already gotten (minus years served.)  Now if he was really devious, he could stay on the team and either intentionally perform so terribly that they have to bench him or fake an injury repeatedly (aka. Jalen Ramsey).  Of course, he'd be the most hated player in the league if he pulled either of those stunts.

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NYC4jags Wrote:
Can we leave the personal insults behind for a while and get back to some semblance of topic, gents?
Please, and thank you.

If he retires he will be a legend for some people here, they will say he was great, generational talent etc that we didn't help him, we ruined him and that's why he never shined etc lol

Quick question.

Do you think this organization has set him up to succeed?

IN some ways they have.  They have spent a ton on receivers.  I believe they had more faith on the offensive line than they should have.

There are a ton of things you can blame on just Trevor alone:  The bad throws, the horrible misses, the throwing into triple coverage, the leading the league in turnovers stat is one way ticket to losing.

The Answer is the team wasn't great at getting Talent but either was Trevor.  If you put Trevor Lawrence in the place of either Josh Allen or Pat Mahomes (Put Lawrence on either the chiefs or bills roster) He would have no where near the same production as them.  Why do I say that?  Lawrence isn't as accurate, isn't as smart in the pocket, doesn't know how to look receivers off, misses too many open ones, etc.  Lawrence has so many holes in his game it's like swiss cheese.   Sorry but I am done drinking the koolaid.  His stats prove it.  He career is Low on Td's, High on Ints, High on fumbles, high on sacks (many you can put on him for holding the ball too long)

I am just sick of this narrative that Lawrence is great and the problem is the team around him.  Lawrence is a good QB that is not Great no matter how you slice it.  Do not take my word for it, look how experts outside of the Jaguars fan base see him.  They see what he shows on the field and it is occasionally impressive but most of the time it's obnoxious.

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Quick question.

Do you think this organization has set him up to succeed?

IN some ways they have.  They have spent a ton on receivers.  I believe they had more faith on the offensive line than they should have.

There are a ton of things you can blame on just Trevor alone:  The bad throws, the horrible misses, the throwing into triple coverage, the leading the league in turnovers stat is one way ticket to losing.

The Answer is the team wasn't great at getting Talent but either was Trevor.  If you put Trevor Lawrence in the place of either Josh Allen or Pat Mahomes (Put Lawrence on either the chiefs or bills roster) He would have no where near the same production as them.  Why do I say that?  Lawrence isn't as accurate, isn't as smart in the pocket, doesn't know how to look receivers off, misses too many open ones, etc.  Lawrence has so many holes in his game it's like swiss cheese.   Sorry but I am done drinking the koolaid.  His stats prove it.  He career is Low on Td's, High on Ints, High on fumbles, high on sacks (many you can put on him for holding the ball too long)

I am just sick of this narrative that Lawrence is great and the problem is the team around him.  Lawrence is a good QB that is not Great no matter how you slice it.  Do not take my word for it, look how experts outside of the Jaguars fan base see him.  They see what he shows on the field and it is occasionally impressive but most of the time it's obnoxious.

Lawrence for sure has his own set of issues. No one has EVER denied that. But on the list of things the Jaguars aren't good at, QB play isn't one of them.

They spent a ton of receivers but you think Gabe Davis was money well spent? Just because they spent the money doesn't mean it was spent wisely.

This franchise has failed miserably. It's a carbon copy of what the clots did with Luck. 

If the Jags said "We are willing to trade Trevor Lawrence", you would see a ton of GMs around the league offering multiple first round picks for him. He's only 25 and its pretty obvious at this point that the franchise has failed him before he has failed the franchise.

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IN some ways they have.  They have spent a ton on receivers.  I believe they had more faith on the offensive line than they should have.

There are a ton of things you can blame on just Trevor alone:  The bad throws, the horrible misses, the throwing into triple coverage, the leading the league in turnovers stat is one way ticket to losing.

The Answer is the team wasn't great at getting Talent but either was Trevor.  If you put Trevor Lawrence in the place of either Josh Allen or Pat Mahomes (Put Lawrence on either the chiefs or bills roster) He would have no where near the same production as them.  Why do I say that?  Lawrence isn't as accurate, isn't as smart in the pocket, doesn't know how to look receivers off, misses too many open ones, etc.  Lawrence has so many holes in his game it's like swiss cheese.   Sorry but I am done drinking the koolaid.  His stats prove it.  He career is Low on Td's, High on Ints, High on fumbles, high on sacks (many you can put on him for holding the ball too long)

I am just sick of this narrative that Lawrence is great and the problem is the team around him.  Lawrence is a good QB that is not Great no matter how you slice it.  Do not take my word for it, look how experts outside of the Jaguars fan base see him.  They see what he shows on the field and it is occasionally impressive but most of the time it's obnoxious.

Lawrence for sure has his own set of issues. No one has EVER denied that. But on the list of things the Jaguars aren't good at, QB play isn't one of them.

They spent a ton of receivers but you think Gabe Davis was money well spent? Just because they spent the money doesn't mean it was spent wisely.

This franchise has failed miserably. It's a carbon copy of what the clots did with Luck. 

If the Jags said "We are willing to trade Trevor Lawrence", you would see a ton of GMs around the league offering multiple first round picks for him. He's only 25 and its pretty obvious at this point that the franchise has failed him before he has failed the franchise.

I couldn't disagree with ^ this more, especially now that he has his new contract.  A. It's all but impossible with the amount of dead money that Trevor is owed.  B.  I get the reason why the Jags paid him, but to other GM's it looks like putting the cart before the horse.  No GM is going to sign up to pay top dollar to a QB who quite frankly hasn't put up the yearly numbers to justify it in 4 years.  The last half of 2022 where he looked like he was on to something was 2 years ago.  Since then he's been injured, has been concussed twice, and has a shoulder surgery coming up.  His '23 and '24 numbers simply don't justify his contract to an outside team.

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NYC4jags Wrote:
Can we leave the personal insults behind for a while and get back to some semblance of topic, gents?
Please, and thank you.

Lawrence for sure has his own set of issues. No one has EVER denied that. But on the list of things the Jaguars aren't good at, QB play isn't one of them.

They spent a ton of receivers but you think Gabe Davis was money well spent? Just because they spent the money doesn't mean it was spent wisely.

This franchise has failed miserably. It's a carbon copy of what the clots did with Luck. 

If the Jags said "We are willing to trade Trevor Lawrence", you would see a ton of GMs around the league offering multiple first round picks for him. He's only 25 and its pretty obvious at this point that the franchise has failed him before he has failed the franchise.

I couldn't disagree with ^ this more, especially now that he has his new contract.  A. It's all but impossible with the amount of dead money that Trevor is owed.  B.  I get the reason why the Jags paid him, but to other GM's it looks like putting the cart before the horse.  No GM is going to sign up to pay top dollar to a QB who quite frankly hasn't put up the yearly numbers to justify it in 4 years.  The last half of 2022 where he looked like he was on to something was 2 years ago.  Since then he's been injured, has been concussed twice, and has a shoulder surgery coming up.  His '23 and '24 numbers simply don't justify his contract to an outside team.

Now I'm depressed again.

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Lawrence for sure has his own set of issues. No one has EVER denied that. But on the list of things the Jaguars aren't good at, QB play isn't one of them.

They spent a ton of receivers but you think Gabe Davis was money well spent? Just because they spent the money doesn't mean it was spent wisely.

This franchise has failed miserably. It's a carbon copy of what the clots did with Luck. 

If the Jags said "We are willing to trade Trevor Lawrence", you would see a ton of GMs around the league offering multiple first round picks for him. He's only 25 and its pretty obvious at this point that the franchise has failed him before he has failed the franchise.

I couldn't disagree with ^ this more, especially now that he has his new contract.  A. It's all but impossible with the amount of dead money that Trevor is owed.  B.  I get the reason why the Jags paid him, but to other GM's it looks like putting the cart before the horse.  No GM is going to sign up to pay top dollar to a QB who quite frankly hasn't put up the yearly numbers to justify it in 4 years.  The last half of 2022 where he looked like he was on to something was 2 years ago.  Since then he's been injured, has been concussed twice, and has a shoulder surgery coming up.  His '23 and '24 numbers simply don't justify his contract to an outside team.

Man you are bringing too much truth into this thread. The Homers can't handle it.

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IN some ways they have.  They have spent a ton on receivers.  I believe they had more faith on the offensive line than they should have.

There are a ton of things you can blame on just Trevor alone:  The bad throws, the horrible misses, the throwing into triple coverage, the leading the league in turnovers stat is one way ticket to losing.

The Answer is the team wasn't great at getting Talent but either was Trevor.  If you put Trevor Lawrence in the place of either Josh Allen or Pat Mahomes (Put Lawrence on either the chiefs or bills roster) He would have no where near the same production as them.  Why do I say that?  Lawrence isn't as accurate, isn't as smart in the pocket, doesn't know how to look receivers off, misses too many open ones, etc.  Lawrence has so many holes in his game it's like swiss cheese.   Sorry but I am done drinking the koolaid.  His stats prove it.  He career is Low on Td's, High on Ints, High on fumbles, high on sacks (many you can put on him for holding the ball too long)

I am just sick of this narrative that Lawrence is great and the problem is the team around him.  Lawrence is a good QB that is not Great no matter how you slice it.  Do not take my word for it, look how experts outside of the Jaguars fan base see him.  They see what he shows on the field and it is occasionally impressive but most of the time it's obnoxious.

Lawrence for sure has his own set of issues. No one has EVER denied that. But on the list of things the Jaguars aren't good at, QB play isn't one of them.

They spent a ton of receivers but you think Gabe Davis was money well spent? Just because they spent the money doesn't mean it was spent wisely.

This franchise has failed miserably. It's a carbon copy of what the clots did with Luck. 

If the Jags said "We are willing to trade Trevor Lawrence", you would see a ton of GMs around the league offering multiple first round picks for him. He's only 25 and its pretty obvious at this point that the franchise has failed him before he has failed the franchise.

I am simply going to disagree with you. Lawrence injury history combined with his lack of results on the field have devalued him. You would get a desperate team giving a first but you are expecting new car prices for a car with thousands of miles on it and engine repair history.

I disagree. I think opposing coaches like playing the Jaguars became they know Lawrence is good for a turnover or 3, and the Jags are an easy win in most cases. Good god man, Lawrence has about a half of dozen games that he didn't break 200 yards passing this season. That is with a stud like BJT playing.

In comparison, put a Qb like Mahomes, Allen, Jackson, hell even this year's Sam Darnold caliber to start for Jacksonville and repeat the season.

I am dropping 3 grand to Vegas of us making the playoffs. Just my take

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Lawrence for sure has his own set of issues. No one has EVER denied that. But on the list of things the Jaguars aren't good at, QB play isn't one of them.

They spent a ton of receivers but you think Gabe Davis was money well spent? Just because they spent the money doesn't mean it was spent wisely.

This franchise has failed miserably. It's a carbon copy of what the clots did with Luck. 

If the Jags said "We are willing to trade Trevor Lawrence", you would see a ton of GMs around the league offering multiple first round picks for him. He's only 25 and its pretty obvious at this point that the franchise has failed him before he has failed the franchise.

I am simply going to disagree with you. Lawrence injury history combined with his lack of results on the field have devalued him. You would get a desperate team giving a first but you are expecting new car prices for a car with thousands of miles on it and engine repair history.

I disagree. I think opposing coaches like playing the Jaguars became they know Lawrence is good for a turnover or 3, and the Jags are an easy win in most cases. Good god man, Lawrence has about a half of dozen games that he didn't break 200 yards passing this season. That is with a stud like BJT playing.

In comparison, put a Qb like Mahomes, Allen, Jackson, hell even this year's Sam Darnold caliber to start for Jacksonville and repeat the season.

I am dropping 3 grand to Vegas of us making the playoffs. Just my take

LOL.

So you think that Sam Darnold would be successful here?????  WOW.  Have you lost your ever loving mind, son?  Sam Darnold, with Dough Pederson and his trash [BLEEP] OC Press Taylor, behind this O-Line??  Sam Darnold would be a grease stain on your driveway as QB of this team.  I'm sorry, I don't want to be that guy that insult posters... Maybe I'm miss-reading what you are saying.  But if you think that Sam Darnold would be more successful than Lawrence with all things being equal, you're out of your ever loving mind.

Now I'm no longer depressed, just smugly amused at these types of opinions.

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We don’t agree on priority rankings and that’s ok. That’s why it’s an opinion, and it’s ok to be different. You clearly have made your case that football goes before everything. I’m just trying to enlighten you that maybe, just maybe, Trevor prioritizes family moving forward and he also has 200 guaranteed million reasons to back him up on that. If I’m him, and I’m knocked out on the field again in a fencing position…. It’s dueces to this dumpster fire of a franchise.

Not trying to pile on, but the ~200 million reasons are only guaranteed if he continues playing...otherwise he's going to have to pay back what he's already gotten (minus years served.)  Now if he was really devious, he could stay on the team and either intentionally perform so terribly that they have to bench him or fake an injury repeatedly (aka. Jalen Ramsey).  Of course, he'd be the most hated player in the league if he pulled either of those stunts.

Or get professional medical recommendations that he needs to stop playing due to injury risk. Which will probably go the route of an injury settlement. Either way, the only point I was trying to make is peoples priorities change due to potential life altering injuries. Not saying we know specifically what Trevor is thinking, just that it’s a possibility that should be considered. One that should be considered for future GM/HC combos. 

Knowing what we know about Tua, is it not more of an inherit risk for a new GM/HC combo to take on Tua as your starter with that big contract? I think it makes it look less attractive as a job opening, in the “NFL” -not for long league.

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