Thank you!

It does seem like we would have learned that lesson by now, with two #1 draft picks in the last 4 years, and we're 3-10.  Obviously, having the #1 pick is not the key to success.  Having the #1 pick means you suck, you're the worst team in the league.  Does anyone really want to be the worst team in the league again so we can get the #1 overall pick again?  Not me.

I do.  We simply need a good GM to leverage the #1 pick and turn it into multiple 1st round picks.  There's going to be a market for QBs this draft so I'd like to get #1 and trade back.

Passing on Hutch a few years after drafting CJ Henderson and Chaisson in round 1 just illustrates how doomed this franchise really is....

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Mac Jones sucks. The fans of this franchise have battered wife syndrome. Remember people thought Mike Sims Walker was good? Lol.

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It does seem like we would have learned that lesson by now, with two #1 draft picks in the last 4 years, and we're 3-10.  Obviously, having the #1 pick is not the key to success.  Having the #1 pick means you suck, you're the worst team in the league.  Does anyone really want to be the worst team in the league again so we can get the #1 overall pick again?  Not me.

I do.  We simply need a good GM to leverage the #1 pick and turn it into multiple 1st round picks.  There's going to be a market for QBs this draft so I'd like to get #1 and trade back.

Passing on Hutch a few years after drafting CJ Henderson and Chaisson in round 1 just illustrates how doomed this franchise really is....

Unfortunately with the Titans win the #1 may be unattainable, now you have to hope that the 2 most QB needy teams both accidentally win one.  At least the Jags will have the chance to help the Raiders win, though part of me thinks it may end up as a 0-0 tie...giving the Giants the #1 overall. 

Edit: The Patriots and Carolina also need to win one, so it's not looking good.

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Can we leave the personal insults behind for a while and get back to some semblance of topic, gents?
Please, and thank you.

Lawrence for sure has his own set of issues. No one has EVER denied that. But on the list of things the Jaguars aren't good at, QB play isn't one of them.

They spent a ton of receivers but you think Gabe Davis was money well spent? Just because they spent the money doesn't mean it was spent wisely.

This franchise has failed miserably. It's a carbon copy of what the clots did with Luck. 

If the Jags said "We are willing to trade Trevor Lawrence", you would see a ton of GMs around the league offering multiple first round picks for him. He's only 25 and its pretty obvious at this point that the franchise has failed him before he has failed the franchise.

I am simply going to disagree with you. Lawrence injury history combined with his lack of results on the field have devalued him. You would get a desperate team giving a first but you are expecting new car prices for a car with thousands of miles on it and engine repair history.

I disagree. I think opposing coaches like playing the Jaguars became they know Lawrence is good for a turnover or 3, and the Jags are an easy win in most cases. Good god man, Lawrence has about a half of dozen games that he didn't break 200 yards passing this season. That is with a stud like BJT playing.

In comparison, put a Qb like Mahomes, Allen, Jackson, hell even this year's Sam Darnold caliber to start for Jacksonville and repeat the season.

I am dropping 3 grand to Vegas of us making the playoffs. Just my take

Your ChrisJagBoy aren't you. This is the exact nonsense he'd put on here.

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Mac Jones sucks. The fans of this franchise have battered wife syndrome.  Remember people thought Mike Sims Walker was good? Lol.

Choppa city juke was legit. The knees gave out.

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Lawrence for sure has his own set of issues. No one has EVER denied that. But on the list of things the Jaguars aren't good at, QB play isn't one of them.

They spent a ton of receivers but you think Gabe Davis was money well spent? Just because they spent the money doesn't mean it was spent wisely.

This franchise has failed miserably. It's a carbon copy of what the clots did with Luck. 

If the Jags said "We are willing to trade Trevor Lawrence", you would see a ton of GMs around the league offering multiple first round picks for him. He's only 25 and its pretty obvious at this point that the franchise has failed him before he has failed the franchise.

I am simply going to disagree with you. Lawrence injury history combined with his lack of results on the field have devalued him. You would get a desperate team giving a first but you are expecting new car prices for a car with thousands of miles on it and engine repair history.

I disagree. I think opposing coaches like playing the Jaguars became they know Lawrence is good for a turnover or 3, and the Jags are an easy win in most cases. Good god man, Lawrence has about a half of dozen games that he didn't break 200 yards passing this season. That is with a stud like BJT playing.

In comparison, put a Qb like Mahomes, Allen, Jackson, hell even this year's Sam Darnold caliber to start for Jacksonville and repeat the season.

I am dropping 3 grand to Vegas of us making the playoffs. Just my take

I wonder why you’re saying this years Sam Darnold…. Hmm? 

Could it be the elite coaching, Justin Jefferson, Jordan Addison and Aaron Jones? Nah…. Couldn’t be. That would be using the surrounding circumstances around a QB which we all know you can’t do.

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I am simply going to disagree with you. Lawrence injury history combined with his lack of results on the field have devalued him. You would get a desperate team giving a first but you are expecting new car prices for a car with thousands of miles on it and engine repair history.

I disagree. I think opposing coaches like playing the Jaguars became they know Lawrence is good for a turnover or 3, and the Jags are an easy win in most cases. Good god man, Lawrence has about a half of dozen games that he didn't break 200 yards passing this season. That is with a stud like BJT playing.

In comparison, put a Qb like Mahomes, Allen, Jackson, hell even this year's Sam Darnold caliber to start for Jacksonville and repeat the season.

I am dropping 3 grand to Vegas of us making the playoffs. Just my take

Your ChrisJagBoy aren't you. This is the exact nonsense he'd put on here.

Surprised he got away with yet another thread pounding the table on the exact same crap when there’s a 320 page thread ready to go for his rants

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Blah Blah Blah. Yup just summed up this dumb [BLEEP] thread.

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If he retires he will be a legend for some people here, they will say he was great, generational talent etc that we didn't help him, we ruined him and that's why he never shined etc lol

Quick question.

Do you think this organization has set him up to succeed?

I don’t think it’s possible that he could be set up for success.

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Every player is a hit away from retirement every play. Quit with this overly dramatic bull squeeze, we only need one Snowie to Eeyore the message board.

We don’t agree on priority rankings and that’s ok. That’s why it’s an opinion, and it’s ok to be different. You clearly have made your case that football goes before everything. I’m just trying to enlighten you that maybe, just maybe, Trevor prioritizes family moving forward and he also has 200 guaranteed million reasons to back him up on that. If I’m him, and I’m knocked out on the field again in a fencing position…. It’s dueces to this dumpster fire of a franchise.

He never prioritised football.  This was known from before he took his first snap when he was quoted saying, “It’s not like I need football for my life to be ok.”  Yes, he tried to explain that away later as him being misunderstood.  But the truth was clear.  Winning was not necessary for TL and that likely meant he didn’t have the edge needed for the NFL.   And the seasons since have born that out.

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The people making excuses will continue on. Stay delusional.

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It does seem like we would have learned that lesson by now, with two #1 draft picks in the last 4 years, and we're 3-10.  Obviously, having the #1 pick is not the key to success.  Having the #1 pick means you suck, you're the worst team in the league.  Does anyone really want to be the worst team in the league again so we can get the #1 overall pick again?  Not me.

I do.  We simply need a good GM to leverage the #1 pick and turn it into multiple 1st round picks.  There's going to be a market for QBs this draft so I'd like to get #1 and trade back.

Passing on Hutch a few years after drafting CJ Henderson and Chaisson in round 1 just illustrates how doomed this franchise really is....

The season record is a measurement of how good or bad a team is.  You want this team to be the worst in the league just so you can play around with some draft picks.  Being the worst team in the league with the top pick in the draft doesn't put us closer to a Super Bowl.  It puts us farther away.

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I do.  We simply need a good GM to leverage the #1 pick and turn it into multiple 1st round picks.  There's going to be a market for QBs this draft so I'd like to get #1 and trade back.

Passing on Hutch a few years after drafting CJ Henderson and Chaisson in round 1 just illustrates how doomed this franchise really is....

The season record is a measurement of how good or bad a team is.  You want this team to be the worst in the league just so you can play around with some draft picks.  Being the worst team in the league with the top pick in the draft doesn't put us closer to a Super Bowl.  It puts us farther away.

Additionally, it’s not like this team is bereft of talent as in years past. We have some good players on both sides of the ball. 

Now, if there was a Front Office/coaching staff draft, we would probably pick first.

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Your opinion depends on wild speculation. 

If it were rooted in reality Tua would have retired 3 concussions ago. 

But instead he threw for 330 yards and 2 TDs yeterday. 

Also - the "football before everything" bit is some weak [BLEEP] gaslighting. Try harder. 
And you aren't "enlightening" anyone at all by assuming some worst case scenario narrative horse [BLEEP]. 

I think it's 500 times more likely that Lawrence plays at least 14 games next year and entrenches himself as "the guy" even further than him retiring after the next big hit.

Dude what? I’m literally talking to flsprtsgod, we had this conversation already in a different thread. I’m not talking in generalities, I’m talking about his opinion and my opinion, and you’re over here full on psycho mode on me lmao.

And for the record, I’m not here claiming to know what Trevor thinks. Nobody here can. I’m simply saying, peoples priorities tend to change due to life altering injuries. What the [BLEEP] are we even arguing here lmao?

You say priorities change, but there are far more examples of guys who fight back from that life-altering injury to get back on the field (Flacco, Bridge, Tua, Alex Smith, RG3, the list goes on) rather than hang em up and call it a good run. Who are the ones who walked away?

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He still makes plenty of mistakes

The interceptions are a problem, and he can't seem to get on thr same page with btj for those deep shots

Lawrence or Mac, It's hard to tell who you are talking about but I agree on both.

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Every player is a hit away from retirement every play. Quit with this overly dramatic bull squeeze, we only need one Snowie to Eeyore the message board.

This is no BS man.  The NFL is taking this stuff seriously with all the lawsuits.  Tua has had 3 bad concussions while Lawrence has had 2.  Lawrence has has 2 in a short time frame.  The real concern was that last hit he had the howl wavy arm symptom going on in the ground.  Normally when a play is concussed more than once it is a pattern.  I am not wishing for any harm to come to the man but it's reality.  If he takes another bit shot in the near future and it's a concussion, Retirement talk with follow shortly thereafter.  You can take that to the bank.  Look at Tua who is a better QB than Trevor.  The pressure was already on him after his last concussion by the media and some of his peers.

I for one do not want to put all of my eggs in the Lawrence basket.  I have seen enough in 4 years to say I have lost faith in him.  That is just my opinion. The fact is the team needs a plan B.

Mac Jones is the plan B, Daniel.

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Every player is a hit away from retirement every play. Quit with this overly dramatic bull squeeze, we only need one Snowie to Eeyore the message board.

We don’t agree on priority rankings and that’s ok. That’s why it’s an opinion, and it’s ok to be different. You clearly have made your case that football goes before everything. I’m just trying to enlighten you that maybe, just maybe, Trevor prioritizes family moving forward and he also has 200 guaranteed million reasons to back him up on that. If I’m him, and I’m knocked out on the field again in a fencing position…. It’s dueces to this dumpster fire of a franchise.

I think the big tell was the interview where TL said that while football was important, it wasnt the be-all and end-all of his life. While that healthy attitude is certainly true for most people regarding their job, ultimately thats not the mentality of most champions in life. Thats also not the mentality that someone making multi-millions should have, whether they are wired that way or not. With great salary comes the obligation to immerse yourself mentally, physically, emotionally 100% into your job.

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"Remember Red, Hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies."  - Andy Dufresne, The Shawshank Redemption

We don’t agree on priority rankings and that’s ok. That’s why it’s an opinion, and it’s ok to be different. You clearly have made your case that football goes before everything. I’m just trying to enlighten you that maybe, just maybe, Trevor prioritizes family moving forward and he also has 200 guaranteed million reasons to back him up on that. If I’m him, and I’m knocked out on the field again in a fencing position…. It’s dueces to this dumpster fire of a franchise.

I think the big tell was the interview where TL said that while football was important, it wasnt the be-all and end-all of his life. While that healthy attitude is certainly true for most people regarding their job, ultimately thats not the mentality of most champions in life.  Thats also not the mentality that someone making multi-millions should have, whether they are wired that way or not. With great salary comes the obligation to immerse yourself mentally, physically, emotionally 100% into your job.

Well, I guess if you didn't read what he actually said you would believe that. Of course what he really said is something entirely different in an entirely different context:

“I want to do it because I want to be the best I can be. I want to maximize my potential. Who wouldn’t want to? You kind of waste it if you don’t.”

[font=mencken-std]“It’s hard to explain that because I want people to know that I’m passionate about what I do and it’s really important to me, but . . . I don’t have this huge chip on my shoulder, that everyone’s out to get me and I’m trying to prove everybody wrong,” he says. “I just don’t have that. I can’t manufacture that. I don’t want to.” Marissa adds, “There’s also more in life than playing football.”

“Yeah,” Trevor says. “And I think people mistake that for being a competitor. . . . I think that’s unhealthy to a certain extent, just always thinking that you’ve got to prove somebody wrong, you’ve got to do more, you’ve got to be better.”

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

I think the big tell was the interview where TL said that while football was important, it wasnt the be-all and end-all of his life. While that healthy attitude is certainly true for most people regarding their job, ultimately thats not the mentality of most champions in life.  Thats also not the mentality that someone making multi-millions should have, whether they are wired that way or not. With great salary comes the obligation to immerse yourself mentally, physically, emotionally 100% into your job.

Well, I guess if you didn't read what he actually said you would believe that. Of course what he really said is something entirely different in an entirely different context:

“I want to do it because I want to be the best I can be. I want to maximize my potential. Who wouldn’t want to? You kind of waste it if you don’t.”

[font=mencken-std]“It’s hard to explain that because I want people to know that I’m passionate about what I do and it’s really important to me, but . . . I don’t have this huge chip on my shoulder, that everyone’s out to get me and I’m trying to prove everybody wrong,” he says. “I just don’t have that. I can’t manufacture that. I don’t want to.” Marissa adds, “There’s also more in life than playing football.”

“Yeah,” Trevor says. “And I think people mistake that for being a competitor. . . . I think that’s unhealthy to a certain extent, just always thinking that you’ve got to prove somebody wrong, you’ve got to do more, you’ve got to be better.”

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I miss the part where he says what motivates him.  I got all the parts where he says what doesn't motivate him, namely:

- a "huge chip on my shoulder"
- proving "everybody wrong"

And the part where he insists that not only he doesn't want to be motivated like that, but that can can't manufacture that motivation and doesn't want to.  In fact, thinking that way is a mistake.  As an NFL quarterback you don't "got to do more" you don't "got to be better."

And I heard the part where in his list of priorities, succeeding as an NFL quarterback is valued less than the idea that there is "more in life than playing football."

He wants to "maximise his potential. Who wouldn't want to?" But his quality of play suggests he could be maximising his potential right now.

He does say that he wants "people to know what he's passionate about" but then, as shown above, he spends all the rest of his time explaining what he isn't passionate about.  Namely doing more and being better as an NFL quarterback.

It happens frequently in life, particularly in elite sports, that gifted people reach a stage where they don't have the drive and determination to lift to the ultimate competitive level.  TL, unfortunately, doesn't have that motivation.   He told everyone that before his career started.  If his freakish natural talents, particularly a cannon for an arm, can carry him over the top in the NFL then he's content.  If those talents can't lift him to the top without a new level of dedication to excellence, well then there's "more to life than playing football."

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Your ChrisJagBoy aren't you. This is the exact nonsense he'd put on here.

Surprised he got away with yet another thread pounding the table on the exact same creo when there’s a 320 page thread ready to go for his rants

Very true. At least this time we were spared the poll.

'Who's most to blame for this season?'

A- Trevor
B- The QB
C- #16

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He's played relatively well these past two weeks. I liked his effort at home late against the tinhorns and he stepped up late against the tacks. He's been worth the 6th RD investment and I hope we can actually retain him for another year or two. I don't think he'll get a massive starting gig in 2025. Sam Darnold is a bit of an anomaly this year. You could maybe make a case for the Jets, tacks or Saints, but, neither of those markets are overly enticing in my opinion. Maybe he'll cut us a hometown break.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."