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The Return of Manifest Destiny

#21
(This post was last modified: 12-24-2024, 01:18 PM by TDOSS.)

(12-24-2024, 12:26 PM)homebiscuit Wrote:

The Canada statement was an obvious slap at Justin Trudeau.

So we have a troll for President? Great to hear.

(12-24-2024, 12:30 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote:
(12-24-2024, 12:21 PM)TDOSS Wrote: There's that Amerikan Arrogance again.

Yes, we are arrogant, and there's nothing you can do about it. Which is why we're arrogant. Sucks to be you.

An advocate for Amerikan Arrogance.
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(12-24-2024, 12:28 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote:
(12-24-2024, 12:23 PM)Caldrac Wrote: I don't think he's lost his mind. I just think he's overly ambitious and roughly half of what he says or wants to achieve will come to fruition. 

Taking over the Panama Canal? I don't see anything crazy about that in particular that would make you think he's lost his mind. We used to have a period of joint control over it with the Panamanian government up until 1999. My biggest guess as to why he would target that area though is to directly avoid China backdooring it's way into that territory potentially. There was an article or two in 2022 talking about this very relationship. China has a lot of control there.

Does China Own the Panama Canal? No, but Still Concerning

Annex Canada? Farfetched for sure. Doubt that happens. Not a fan of some of their beliefs and policies up there though. Don't they condone or have passed into law for people to willfully off themselves with assisted suicide? Just seems like a really sick thing to advocate and stand behind in my opinion.

Buying Greenland from Denmark? Not a bad idea if they want to sell it. Wouldn't hurt to ask. They have one of the highest shares of renewable energy in the world at 70%, mostly coming from hydropower. It's believed it also has one of the world's largest remaining oil resources. Wouldn't be a bad land grab. Also, the idea of Manifest Destiny is refreshing. 

While we have been expanding via proxy wars and US tax dollars to fund conflicts? China has invested in South America and Russia has invested in Africa. We're barely hanging on by a thread as it stands now as the world's global superpower (we're probably already lost at this point to be fair). Getting into this footrace now while we still can within this decade is not a bad idea overall.

You're debating global strategy with people who actively want the USA to lose it's solo superpower status or naive enough to believe that other countries just want to be our equals and bear us no ill will in becoming so. I think the Chinese threat in the Western Hemisphere from Mexico south is substantial and I have no issues with the US exerting some pressure that direction. I, you, and most non-TDS sufferers know that the Canada thing was a joke. The Greenland thing is out of left field but I'm always in favor of the USA absorbing more territory because I'm an actual patriot and want to see our country continue to lead the world.
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#23

(12-24-2024, 01:15 PM)TDOSS Wrote:
(12-24-2024, 12:26 PM)homebiscuit Wrote:

The Canada statement was an obvious slap at Justin Trudeau.

So we have a troll for President? Great to hear.

(12-24-2024, 12:30 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: Yes, we are arrogant, and there's nothing you can do about it. Which is why we're arrogant. Sucks to be you.

An advocate for Amerikan Arrogance.

Trump is already doing one of the things I voted for.. 

Trying to give stupid people aneurysms..
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(12-24-2024, 12:29 PM)mikesez Wrote: My guess is the bluster about Panama comes from an ongoing tax evasion case he has there.

Yeah, Mike. That’s it.  Rolleyes
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#25

(12-24-2024, 11:51 AM)WingerDinger Wrote: And as far as the Panama Canal is considered, our country paid for it and built it. It rightfully belongs to The US..


No it doesn't, it belongs to Panama that in accordance with International law. Besides which to the best of my knowledge the US did not pay for nor oversee the expansion project, completed in 2022, that allows for the larger cargo ships to pass through. That's where most cargo passes, not through the old canal.

Just an awful uneducated take from MAGA morons.
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(This post was last modified: 12-24-2024, 01:36 PM by mikesez. Edited 1 time in total.)

(12-24-2024, 01:29 PM)homebiscuit Wrote:
(12-24-2024, 12:29 PM)mikesez Wrote: My guess is the bluster about Panama comes from an ongoing tax evasion case he has there.

Yeah, Mike. That’s it.  Rolleyes

I'm not making it up.
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-pa...ng-2005079
Maybe Panama is making it up, or maybe it's just a coincidence.  Or maybe Trump thinks US foreign policy is a tool he gets to use for his own personalselfish reasons. That would be strange though. Nobody's ever accused him of that before.
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#27

(12-24-2024, 01:32 PM)TDOSS Wrote:
(12-24-2024, 11:51 AM)WingerDinger Wrote: And as far as the Panama Canal is considered, our country paid for it and built it. It rightfully belongs to The US..


No it doesn't, it belongs to Panama that in accordance with International law. Besides which to the best of my knowledge the US did not pay for nor oversee the expansion project, completed in 2022, that allows for the larger cargo ships to pass through. That's where most cargo passes, not through the old canal.

Just an awful uneducated take from MAGA morons.

It was an awful uneducated action to let it go for $1..
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#28

(12-24-2024, 12:16 PM)WingerDinger Wrote:
(12-24-2024, 12:12 PM)mikesez Wrote: This isn't the 1800s anymore.  We don't buy and sell territory without at least asking the people who live there.

The US built the Panama canal over 100 years ago.  For about 50 years, Panama has owned it and they've maintained it, and made it wider and deeper during that time.

"We built it, we paid for it, It's ours"..

-RR

Wrong as usual.

No, the Canal is not America’s. Not anymore and it hasn’t been for decades.

And the Panamanians are not going to give up the Canal no matter what America shrieks.
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(12-24-2024, 01:32 PM)TDOSS Wrote:
(12-24-2024, 11:51 AM)WingerDinger Wrote: And as far as the Panama Canal is considered, our country paid for it and built it. It rightfully belongs to The US..


No it doesn't, it belongs to Panama that in accordance with International law. Besides which to the best of my knowledge the US did not pay for nor oversee the expansion project, completed in 2022, that allows for the larger cargo ships to pass through. That's where most cargo passes, not through the old canal.

Just an awful uneducated take from MAGA morons.

Do you not have any concerns with China potentially dominating that region in full? What that might do to our potential standing in trading out of there on our end? You don't see anything wrong with the neutrality of a crucial port system close to our country becoming completely under the control of a potential threat, enemy?
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(12-24-2024, 01:35 PM)mikesez Wrote:
(12-24-2024, 01:29 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: Yeah, Mike. That’s it.  Rolleyes

I'm not making it up.
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-pa...ng-2005079
Maybe Panama is making it up, or maybe it's just a coincidence.  Or maybe Trump thinks US foreign policy is a tool he gets to use for his own personalselfish reasons. That would be strange though. Nobody's ever accused him of that before.

He's reminding me of Putin's attitude towards Eastern Europe.
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#31

(12-24-2024, 01:38 PM)TDOSS Wrote:
(12-24-2024, 12:16 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: "We built it, we paid for it, It's ours"..

-RR

Wrong as usual.

No, the Canal is not America’s. Not anymore and it hasn’t been for decades.

And the Panamanians are not going to give up the Canal no matter what America shrieks.

You seem to think that I give a [BLEEP] what you think lololol
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#32
(This post was last modified: 12-24-2024, 01:43 PM by mikesez. Edited 2 times in total.)

(12-24-2024, 01:39 PM)WingerDinger Wrote:
(12-24-2024, 01:38 PM)TDOSS Wrote: Wrong as usual.

No, the Canal is not America’s. Not anymore and it hasn’t been for decades.

And the Panamanians are not going to give up the Canal no matter what America shrieks.

You seem to think that I give a [BLEEP] what you think lololol

You don't have to care what he thinks. But your hero is not going to get the Panama canal returned to the United States
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#33

(12-24-2024, 12:36 PM)TDOSS Wrote:
(12-24-2024, 12:28 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: You're debating global strategy with people who actively want the USA to lose it's solo superpower status or naive enough to believe that other countries just want to be our equals and bear us no ill will in becoming so. I think the Chinese threat in the Western Hemisphere from Mexico south is substantial and I have no issues with the US exerting some pressure that direction. I, you, and most non-TDS sufferers know that the Canada thing was a joke. The Greenland thing is out of left field but I'm always in favor of the USA absorbing more territory because I'm an actual patriot and want to see our country continue to lead the world.

So I guess Daddy Donald was pro-war afterall...

Laughing

It's so funny how he embarrases you cults daily and you poor cultist just take it all in.  Laughing

That's certainly a guess. Coming from your rudimentary intellect it's also unsurprising that you have no [BLEEP] clue what we're talking about. Once again your TDS closes your eyes tighter than your mind already was.
“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

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#34

(12-24-2024, 11:51 AM)WingerDinger Wrote: If Denmark wants to sell Greenland, why not? Make it a US territory. If it happens, wouldn't be the first time a land purchased happen and not going to be the last..

Laughing

Dude do you just spew all this [BLEEP] from your Anus? Do you even bother to educate and read? 

Denmark has stated quite clearly twice in the last five years the have no intention of selling or otherwise ceding Greenland to the U.S. and both of those were occasioned by a [BLEEP] American President suggesting the possibility due his singular desire.

As to the Panama debacle now unfolding; just one more indication Trump has no foundational intelligence to even be aware of existing treaties, much less be able to read and comprehend their contents.

You elected a [BLEEP]. You own that.
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#35

(12-24-2024, 12:38 PM)mikesez Wrote:
(12-24-2024, 12:28 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: You're debating global strategy with people who actively want the USA to lose it's solo superpower status or naive enough to believe that other countries just want to be our equals and bear us no ill will in becoming so. I think the Chinese threat in the Western Hemisphere from Mexico south is substantial and I have no issues with the US exerting some pressure that direction. I, you, and most non-TDS sufferers know that the Canada thing was a joke. The Greenland thing is out of left field but I'm always in favor of the USA absorbing more territory because I'm an actual patriot and want to see our country continue to lead the world.

I'm a patriot too, but I think soft power should be enough for us to prevent Chinese influence from dominating in this area.  Force should not be required.  The treaty already says that the US military may come assist if any other military threatens the canal.

It's interesting how both DOOF and you went right to "he's gonna start a war" when no one said these acquisitions would require war, nor is anyone talking about using force for any of this. It's just your knee jerk, and I emphasize "Jerk", reaction driven by your raging cases of TDS.
“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

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(12-24-2024, 01:44 PM)TDOSS Wrote:
(12-24-2024, 11:51 AM)WingerDinger Wrote: If Denmark wants to sell Greenland, why not? Make it a US territory. If it happens, wouldn't be the first time a land purchased happen and not going to be the last..

Laughing

Dude do you just spew all this [BLEEP] from your Anus? Do you even bother to educate and read? 

Denmark has stated quite clearly twice in the last five years the have no intention of selling or otherwise ceding Greenland to the U.S. and both of those were occasioned by a [BLEEP] American President suggesting the possibility due his singular desire.

As to the Panama debacle now unfolding; just one more indication Trump has no foundational intelligence to even be aware of existing treaties, much less be able to read and comprehend their contents.

You elected a [BLEEP]. You own that.

I elected someone that will eventually destroy you and your kind..

I do own that and I'd buy it again..
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(This post was last modified: 12-24-2024, 01:47 PM by Caldrac. Edited 1 time in total.)

(12-24-2024, 01:35 PM)mikesez Wrote:
(12-24-2024, 01:29 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: Yeah, Mike. That’s it.  Rolleyes

I'm not making it up.
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-pa...ng-2005079
Maybe Panama is making it up, or maybe it's just a coincidence.  Or maybe Trump thinks US foreign policy is a tool he gets to use for his own personalselfish reasons. That would be strange though. Nobody's ever accused him of that before.

This relationship and situation with Panama encompasses both major political parties. There's a long standing history here and we have had our high's and low's with South America with various regions and countries over there. It's not wise to just sit back and let the East continue to expand it's footprint in this area so close to home in my opinion.

Regardless of your political affiliation. It should be a concern with China's growing presence. BRICS is still a thing you know. 

Infrastructure and the Panama Canal: Obama Sees an Opportunity | The New Republic

Panama and Obama’s Latin America Policy: Time to Close Ranks and Support A Friend | The Heritage Foundation
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(12-24-2024, 01:44 PM)TDOSS Wrote:
(12-24-2024, 11:51 AM)WingerDinger Wrote: If Denmark wants to sell Greenland, why not? Make it a US territory. If it happens, wouldn't be the first time a land purchased happen and not going to be the last..

Laughing

Dude do you just spew all this [BLEEP] from your Anus? Do you even bother to educate and read? 

Denmark has stated quite clearly twice in the last five years the have no intention of selling or otherwise ceding Greenland to the U.S. and both of those were occasioned by a [BLEEP] American President suggesting the possibility due his singular desire.

As to the Panama debacle now unfolding; just one more indication Trump has no foundational intelligence to even be aware of existing treaties, much less be able to read and comprehend their contents.

You elected a [BLEEP]. You own that.

America elected*, and we're here for the lulz watching you melt over everything he says.
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(This post was last modified: 12-24-2024, 01:52 PM by TDOSS.)

(12-24-2024, 01:42 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote:
(12-24-2024, 12:36 PM)TDOSS Wrote: So I guess Daddy Donald was pro-war afterall...

Laughing

It's so funny how he embarrases you cults daily and you poor cultist just take it all in.  Laughing

That's certainly a guess. 

A guess? How do you think he'd take this over without a war?

Please educate me with your MAGA expertises. I won't hold my breath that you would be able to but please give it a shot.

Mr President of World Peace. Mr 'I'm going to stop the wars"

(12-24-2024, 01:38 PM)Caldrac Wrote:
(12-24-2024, 01:32 PM)TDOSS Wrote: No it doesn't, it belongs to Panama that in accordance with International law. Besides which to the best of my knowledge the US did not pay for nor oversee the expansion project, completed in 2022, that allows for the larger cargo ships to pass through. That's where most cargo passes, not through the old canal.

Just an awful uneducated take from MAGA morons.

Do you not have any concerns with China potentially dominating that region in full? What that might do to our potential standing in trading out of there on our end? You don't see anything wrong with the neutrality of a crucial port system close to our country becoming completely under the control of a potential threat, enemy?

The only way China could ever “dominate that region in full” is if the U.S. continues to prove itself to be the same rapaciously imperialist regime it has always acted as in Latin America.

America backing genocidal tyrants in the name of “but Russia” has not been forgotten there.

The Panamanians will never give up the canal without a fight, especially not given how long it took them to gain it in the first place.
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(12-24-2024, 01:35 PM)WingerDinger Wrote:
(12-24-2024, 01:32 PM)TDOSS Wrote: No it doesn't, it belongs to Panama that in accordance with International law. Besides which to the best of my knowledge the US did not pay for nor oversee the expansion project, completed in 2022, that allows for the larger cargo ships to pass through. That's where most cargo passes, not through the old canal.

Just an awful uneducated take from MAGA morons.

It was an awful uneducated action to let it go for $1..

So? You seem confused about the fact. The US never owned the canal or the property. They paid $10M to CONTROL it not OWN it. They no longer control it and haven't for 25 years. Trump is blowing smoke because Panama is suing him personally, nothing more.
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