He's struggled against the blitz this year for sure. What's hurt them is the overall injuries to the outside around him skill position wise and losing Joe Mixon here and there. I think they'll be a really ugly one and done play-off team. If they end up having to play the Chargers in particular I think they'll get beat up pretty bad at home for some reason. If they get Denver they might catch a break with Bo Nix making rookie mistakes.

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The O-line this year was (unexpectedly) terrible. Their inability to pick up DL stunts was unfathomable, and I've never seen so many runs for -3 yards particularly in the redzone. Joe Mixon's success was solely on his running ability.

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NYC4jags Wrote:
Can we leave the personal insults behind for a while and get back to some semblance of topic, gents?
Please, and thank you.

The O-line this year was (unexpectedly) terrible.  Their inability to pick up DL stunts was unfathomable, and I've never seen so many runs for -3 yards particularly in the redzone. Joe Mixon's success was solely on his running ability.

Ahh so suddenly poor OL play, poor running game and injuries at Receiver is a reason. But when those same things/reasons are brought up for Trevor it's just excuses... LOLOLOLOLOL

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The O-line this year was (unexpectedly) terrible.  Their inability to pick up DL stunts was unfathomable, and I've never seen so many runs for -3 yards particularly in the redzone. Joe Mixon's success was solely on his running ability.

Ahh so suddenly poor OL play, poor running game and injuries at Receiver is a reason. But when those same things/reasons are brought up for Trevor it's just excuses... LOLOLOLOLOL

Yes, it explains why Stroud is having a slump at 9-6.  As opposed to Lawrence being 3-12 over the last 15 games.  

Merry Christmas

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NYC4jags Wrote:
Can we leave the personal insults behind for a while and get back to some semblance of topic, gents?
Please, and thank you.

Ahh so suddenly poor OL play, poor running game and injuries at Receiver is a reason. But when those same things/reasons are brought up for Trevor it's just excuses... LOLOLOLOLOL

Yes, it explains why Stroud is having a slump at 9-6.  As opposed to Lawrence being 3-12 over the last 15 games.  

Merry Christmas

Because you guys have one of the best Defenses in the league and we have the worst Defense in the league. Pretty simple really.

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Yes, it explains why Stroud is having a slump at 9-6.  As opposed to Lawrence being 3-12 over the last 15 games.  

Merry Christmas

Because you guys have one of the best Defenses in the league and we have the worst Defense in the league. Pretty simple really.

Aah, the 26th offensive ranking doesn't mean anything. Got it.

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NYC4jags Wrote:
Can we leave the personal insults behind for a while and get back to some semblance of topic, gents?
Please, and thank you.

Because you guys have one of the best Defenses in the league and we have the worst Defense in the league. Pretty simple really.

Aah, the 26th offensive ranking doesn't mean anything. Got it.

When your Defense chokes away at least 4 or 5 games in the final minute of the game and costs you the loss, does it really matter what the Offense does? Still did what it needed to do for the win only for the Defense to give it away. Over and Over.

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Yes, it explains why Stroud is having a slump at 9-6.  As opposed to Lawrence being 3-12 over the last 15 games.  

Merry Christmas

Because you guys have one of the best Defenses in the league and we have the worst Defense in the league. Pretty simple really.

I like CJ. He s better than Lawrence so far. But he s sophmore slumping. Its obvious.

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Because you guys have one of the best Defenses in the league and we have the worst Defense in the league. Pretty simple really.

I like CJ. He s better than Lawrence so far. But he s sophmore slumping. Its obvious.

He is not better than Lawrence LOL.

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Certainly, the CJ Stroud I'm seeing now is not better than Lawrence

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He's been bad down the toughest stretch of their schedule. They'll be getting another 1st place schedule next year as well.

They have a lot of work to do in the off season already and it's very well possible that team slips below .500 in 2025.

I could see the tacks drafting Cam Ward in April and immediately being the Washington Commanders of 2025.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

CJ Stroud does not look good.

I like the guy as a QB and thought he would be better, so this is not a biased bashing opinion. He looks broken or something, it's not good.

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The O-line this year was (unexpectedly) terrible.  Their inability to pick up DL stunts was unfathomable, and I've never seen so many runs for -3 yards particularly in the redzone. Joe Mixon's success was solely on his running ability.

Lolololol, welcome to the club.  Trevor has been dealing with this since he was drafted.  Maybe next year they can finally get him a top 20 oline for the first time in his career.  The best oline he ever had was the year he made the playoffs and our oline was ranked 23 in the leauge. The clock in his head is also sped up to where he is getting rid of the ball at times when there is no pressure. So at times when there is good protection he doesnt even let the play develop.

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I like how the excuses that were never valid for Lawrence are now to blame for Stroud.

That said you have to wonder how it got this bad, because he’s playing worse than Trevor did last year under similar parameters (except Trevor was playing held together by duct tape). I didn’t see this coming because I was genuinely impressed with his rookie year. You could say Slowik schemed him well around his strengths, yet year two in the same offense what happened?

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I don't know about sophomore slump, but I could see his interceptions going up a bit (I recall multiple dropped ints in the games I saw him play)  while his luck on high leverage throws goes down a bit (I can't forget how many times I watched him just chuck up what looked like a prayer and have a receiver come down with the ball).

He's a good QB, but being strangely overrated this off-season after backing into the playoffs last year thanks to Trevor's injury and having the browns implode against them.

To show my own bias, you could also look at this as "Was able to take 3-13 team into the divisional game as a rookie."  OR "Stroud also became the third player in league history to lead the league in passing yards per game (273.9) and touchdown/interception ratio (4.6) in the same season, joining Tom Brady in 2007 and Joe Montana in 1989."

Like I said, he's a good QB. I knew it the first game I saw him play in the NFL. Go back and look at my old posts.

However, he's by no means looking like Brady or Montana at this point, and if he didn't have such luck with dropped picks he likely wouldn't have had that stat, anyway.

Is not that I don't think Stroud is good, because I do. He has a great ability to deal with pressure and keep his eyes  down the field, and that's important for a QB. I just don't see him as a guy that should be getting called an MVP favorite like I've seen from some talking heads.

For what it's worth I think the texans have a better overall roster than the Jags and much better personnel people, so I expect the texans to win the division for the foreseeable future if Trevor doesn't play like a transcendent QB.

Trevor and Doug's ability to get wins with middling surrounding talent have made Khan complacent. Baalke should have been gone when Doug got hired, he's terrible in the draft.

The Jaguars really should just hire me to be the executive in charge of all football operations over whoever the next GM is.

It blows my mind how many people can't seem to just understand what they're looking at when the nfl is so easy to evaluate if you actually have the time to watch just a bit of it.

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I don't know about sophomore slump, but I could see his interceptions going up a bit (I recall multiple dropped ints in the games I saw him play)  while his luck on high leverage throws goes down a bit (I can't forget how many times I watched him just chuck up what looked like a prayer and have a receiver come down with the ball).

He's a good QB, but being strangely overrated this off-season after backing into the playoffs last year thanks to Trevor's injury and having the browns implode against them.

Like I said, he's a good QB. I knew it the first game I saw him play in the NFL. Go back and look at my old posts.

However, he's by no means looking like Brady or Montana at this point, and if he didn't have such luck with dropped picks he likely wouldn't have had that stat, anyway.

Is not that I don't think Stroud is good, because I do. He has a great ability to deal with pressure and keep his eyes  down the field, and that's important for a QB. I just don't see him as a guy that should be getting called an MVP favorite like I've seen from some talking heads.

For what it's worth I think the texans have a better overall roster than the Jags and much better personnel people, so I expect the texans to win the division for the foreseeable future if Trevor doesn't play like a transcendent QB.

Trevor and Doug's ability to get wins with middling surrounding talent have made Khan complacent. Baalke should have been gone when Doug got hired, he's terrible in the draft.

The Jaguars really should just hire me to be the executive in charge of all football operations over whoever the next GM is.

It blows my mind how many people can't seem to just understand what they're looking at when the nfl is so easy to evaluate if you actually have the time to watch just a bit of it.

This is one of the biggest slumps in recent memory lol.  Stroud has been very bad the 2nd half of the season and the Texans are very thankful for their defense.  Hes been far from good this year.

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The Jaguars really should just hire me to be the executive in charge of all football operations over whoever the next GM is.

It blows my mind how many people can't seem to just understand what they're looking at when the nfl is so easy to evaluate if you actually have the time to watch just a bit of it.

This is one of the biggest slumps in recent memory lol.  Stroud has been very bad the 2nd half of the season and the Texans are very thankful for their defense.  Hes been far from good this year.

I agree, he's showed his weakness this year. As the team around him got less healthy and his offensive line played worse he has looked terrible, like a good (not great) starting QB, which is what I always thought he was.

The top tier (elite) is is guys like mahomes, Allen, and Jackson.

Second tier (played great but haven't won at the level of the elite guys whether it's surrounding talent or sometime else) is guys like Trevor and Herbert and Stafford.

Third tier (system guy) is where Stroud is. He's like Goff, Purdy, Cousins, and Russell Wilson. When the situation and system is good for them they can seem to be great, then when the situation isn't perfect their performance nosedives.

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This is one of the biggest slumps in recent memory lol.  Stroud has been very bad the 2nd half of the season and the Texans are very thankful for their defense.  Hes been far from good this year.

I agree, he's showed his weakness this year. As the team around him got less healthy and his offensive line played worse he has looked terrible, like a good (not great) starting QB, which is what I always thought he was.

The top tier (elite) is is guys like mahomes, Allen, and Jackson.

Second tier (played great but haven't won at the level of the elite guys whether it's surrounding talent or sometime else) is guys like Trevor and Herbert and Stafford.

Third tier (system guy) is where Stroud is. He's like Goff, Purdy, Cousins, and Russell Wilson. When the situation and system is good for them they can seem to be great, then when the situation isn't perfect their performance nosedives.

I'm just curious. In what season has any of Mahomes, Allen or Lamar been surrounded by an utterly bad team from offensive scheme, play calling, OL, running back, pass catchers, and defense?

Worst 2 I can even think of were Josh Allen's first season when everything around that was subpar, and last season's Mahomes but he still had a HoF coach, HoF TE, up coming WR, and a Top 5 defense.

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I agree, he's showed his weakness this year. As the team around him got less healthy and his offensive line played worse he has looked terrible, like a good (not great) starting QB, which is what I always thought he was.

The top tier (elite) is is guys like mahomes, Allen, and Jackson.

Second tier (played great but haven't won at the level of the elite guys whether it's surrounding talent or sometime else) is guys like Trevor and Herbert and Stafford.

Third tier (system guy) is where Stroud is. He's like Goff, Purdy, Cousins, and Russell Wilson. When the situation and system is good for them they can seem to be great, then when the situation isn't perfect their performance nosedives.

I'm just curious. In what season has any of Mahomes, Allen or Lamar been surrounded by an utterly bad team from offensive scheme, play calling, OL, running back, pass catchers, and defense?

Worst 2 I can even think of were Josh Allen's first season when everything around that was subpar, and last season's Mahomes but he still had a HoF coach, HoF TE, up coming WR, and a Top 5 defense.

I think Allen should win the MVP this year just because of what he has done with that offensive roster.  He lost his top 2 WRs and is playing at an ALL Pro level. Some here thinks Gabe Davis is horrendous and he Allen made him look like a damn good WR 2.  Jackson and Mahomes have always been loaded with talent around them.

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I'm just curious. In what season has any of Mahomes, Allen or Lamar been surrounded by an utterly bad team from offensive scheme, play calling, OL, running back, pass catchers, and defense?

Worst 2 I can even think of were Josh Allen's first season when everything around that was subpar, and last season's Mahomes but he still had a HoF coach, HoF TE, up coming WR, and a Top 5 defense.

I think Allen should win the MVP this year just because of what he has done with that offensive roster.  He lost his top 2 WRs and is playing at an ALL Pro level. Some here thinks Gabe Davis is horrendous and he Allen made him look like a damn good WR 2.  Jackson and Mahomes have always been loaded with talent around them.

I would agree that Allen is probably the MVP since Barkley and Penei Sewell are not eligible, but the Bill's OL, their running scheme, their player development, HC/FO culture, and their offensive coordinator are better than most other teams in the NFL this year. 

My main point was that even the consensus elite QB's need help. Because of the media narrative, we give too much of the blame/credit to the QB instead of team, roster, scheme, etc. I understand why people do it. But when we are talking nitty gritty and breaking stuff down as much as many do on forums like this, I believe we all know better.

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