I'll add a poll on this thread. Sometimes, you never know what to expect each season. 

My opinion: On paper, the Texicos are a strong playoff team. Last year, they had a much more favorable schedule compared to this coming season. More than half their games last season finished with a difference of 5 points of less. They have some promising draft selections and FA acquisitions. Realistically, Jacksonville is the only threat to the division title. I see the Tacks being at the bottom of the division. The Clops still have more work to do. I'm not sold on Anthony Richardson leading them to the playoffs.

When defenses finally get an idea of how to get to  Stroud more effectively, how will he respond? That's what I'm waiting to see. Those piles of mental mistakes could lead to a slump. Or....he shakes them off. Will the ball be distributed evenly with all the receivers or will there be more favored over others on looks? I bring this up only because Diggs is on their team now. A new veteran addition can either strengthen a team or throw them off balance. 

I'm going with 25% chance he could slump. He still balls.

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I think that the Texans are going to be a real good team and give the Jaguars a "run for their money" as far as the division title.  Like it or not, CJ Stroud is a very good quarterback and isn't prone to making many mistakes.

As far as CJ having a "sophomore slump", I just don't see it out of the young man.  One thing that I do think that will drop off and be a decline for him is running around and scrambling the way that he does.  That kind of QB play will get one injured pretty quick.  That's not to say that he will not scramble to avoid pressure, but I think that his tendency to take off running to gain yardage might get him hurt.

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I think that the Texans are going to be a real good team and give the Jaguars a "run for their money" as far as the division title.  Like it or not, CJ Stroud is a very good quarterback and isn't prone to making many mistakes.

As far as CJ having a "sophomore slump", I just don't see it out of the young man.  One thing that I do think that will drop off and be a decline for him is running around and scrambling the way that he does.  That kind of QB play will get one injured pretty quick.  That's not to say that he will not scramble to avoid pressure, but I think that his tendency to take off running to gain yardage might get him hurt.

I don’t know where this ‘tendency to take off running’ comes from and I addressed the misconception last year.  He averaged less than three runs a game last year.  The guy is a pocket passer, pure and simple.

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I think you should add a 'He'll be better' poll option to round it out. Most rookies improve in their second year. CJ has the same coordinator and it'll be his second year in the system. He'll have an Oline that should be improved (with health and 2nd year in the system), a new RB, and a new WR.

PS. Rico is correct. CJ ran 2.3 plays per game. TLaw ran 4.1 plays per game.

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NYC4jags Wrote:
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Yeah, I don't expect any implosion or drop-off from the tinhorns / CJ Stroud.

There may be a few opposing coordinators who get a little bit trickier matching up with them after sitting with last year's tape a bit. They won't be surprising anyone this year. They are going from unknown staff with a rookie QB to having a bullseye on their number plate.

They have enough talent that it won't matter much in some games, but the opponents with quality coordinators will have a few more ideas on how to beat them this year.

We'll see how that shakes out soon enough.

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I don't know about sophomore slump, but I could see his interceptions going up a bit (I recall multiple dropped ints in the games I saw him play) while his luck on high leverage throws goes down a bit (I can't forget how many times I watched him just chuck up what looked like a prayer and have a receiver come down with the ball).

He's a good QB, but being strangely overrated this off-season after backing into the playoffs last year thanks to Trevor's injury and having the browns implode against them.

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He's a good QB, but being strangely overrated this off-season after backing into the playoffs last year thanks to Trevor's injury and having the browns implode against them.

To show my own bias, you could also look at this as "Was able to take 3-13 team into the divisional game as a rookie."  OR "Stroud also became the third player in league history to lead the league in passing yards per game (273.9) and touchdown/interception ratio (4.6) in the same season, joining Tom Brady in 2007 and Joe Montana in 1989."

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NYC4jags Wrote:
Can we leave the personal insults behind for a while and get back to some semblance of topic, gents?
Please, and thank you.

He's a good QB, but being strangely overrated this off-season after backing into the playoffs last year thanks to Trevor's injury and having the browns implode against them.

To show my own bias, you could also look at this as "Was able to take 3-13 team into the divisional game as a rookie."  OR "Stroud also became the third player in league history to lead the league in passing yards per game (273.9) and touchdown/interception ratio (4.6) in the same season, joining Tom Brady in 2007 and Joe Montana in 1989."

Like I said, he's a good QB. I knew it the first game I saw him play in the NFL. Go back and look at my old posts.

However, he's by no means looking like Brady or Montana at this point, and if he didn't have such luck with dropped picks he likely wouldn't have had that stat, anyway.

Is not that I don't think Stroud is good, because I do. He has a great ability to deal with pressure and keep his eyes down the field, and that's important for a QB. I just don't see him as a guy that should be getting called an MVP favorite like I've seen from some talking heads.

For what it's worth I think the texans have a better overall roster than the Jags and much better personnel people, so I expect the texans to win the division for the foreseeable future if Trevor doesn't play like a transcendent QB.

Trevor and Doug's ability to get wins with middling surrounding talent have made Khan complacent. Baalke should have been gone when Doug got hired, he's terrible in the draft.

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I think he'll be about the same as last year. I don't expect to see a slump from Stroud. Scheduling wise, they'll have an interesting and exciting December with 1st - 4th seed positioning on the line.

They see the Dolphins, Chiefs and Ravens within 10 days. During the December 15th - 25th stretch. That's tough. Really tough.

This is after we play each other on the 1st of that month in Jacksonville before they get their bye week. So, depending on that game. Could see some interesting opportunities up for grabs.

I expect Stroud to play just like he did last year though. Big arm. Big plays. Buying time in the pocket with his mobility, etc.



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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

I think he'll be about the same as last year. I don't expect to see a slump from Stroud. Scheduling wise, they'll have an interesting and exciting December with 1st  - 4th seed positioning on the line.

They see the Dolphins, Chiefs and Ravens within 10 days. During the December 15th - 25th stretch. That's tough. Really tough.

This is after we play each other on the 1st of that month in Jacksonville before they get their bye week. So, depending on that game. Could see some interesting opportunities up for grabs.

I expect Stroud to play just like he did last year though. Big arm. Big plays. Buying time in the pocket with his mobility, etc.

The way the schedule is set-up between the Texans and Jags (based purely on current SoS), it looks like the Texans should get off to a fast start with a difficult end of the season.  Where the Jags are the opposite, tough start with an easier end of the season. Should make this year quite an interesting battle heading into the playoffs.

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NYC4jags Wrote:
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I went with low (25%) risk. He's very talented, has a very good surrounding cast, and honestly I think the biggest threat is whether they start listening to the hype and getting overconfident.

Teams have film, and he wasn't dropping off like a flash in the pan would. Dell was one of his primary targets, and they still did ok after his injury.

As long as they stay healthy, I expect the tinhorns and Jags to be in a dogfight all season long.

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I think he'll be about the same as last year. I don't expect to see a slump from Stroud. Scheduling wise, they'll have an interesting and exciting December with 1st  - 4th seed positioning on the line.

They see the Dolphins, Chiefs and Ravens within 10 days. During the December 15th - 25th stretch. That's tough. Really tough.

This is after we play each other on the 1st of that month in Jacksonville before they get their bye week. So, depending on that game. Could see some interesting opportunities up for grabs.

I expect Stroud to play just like he did last year though. Big arm. Big plays. Buying time in the pocket with his mobility, etc.

The way the schedule is set-up between the Texans and Jags (based purely on current SoS), it looks like the Texans should get off to a fast start with a difficult end of the season.  Where the Jags are the opposite, tough start with an easier end of the season. Should make this year quite an interesting battle heading into the playoffs.

Double edged sword for the Jags with the early schedule. 

While it is nice to finish with some ostensibly "weaker" opponents when your own team might be banged up, they have to come out of the gate with a new defensive scheme and staff ready to hold off some very potent offenses. 

They've got Miami and Buffalo - both on the road in the first 4 games of the year. 
Both of those offenses were top 5 in yards per game and top ten in points per game. 
Ryan Nielsen's preparation and install will be tested early on a tough curve. 

tinhorns have to hope they are healthy come December.

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To show my own bias, you could also look at this as "Was able to take 3-13 team into the divisional game as a rookie."  OR "Stroud also became the third player in league history to lead the league in passing yards per game (273.9) and touchdown/interception ratio (4.6) in the same season, joining Tom Brady in 2007 and Joe Montana in 1989."

Like I said, he's a good QB. I knew it the first game I saw him play in the NFL. Go back and look at my old posts.

However, he's by no means looking like Brady or Montana at this point, and if he didn't have such luck with dropped picks he likely wouldn't have had that stat, anyway.

Is not that I don't think Stroud is good, because I do. He has a great ability to deal with pressure and keep his eyes down the field, and that's important for a QB. I just don't see him as a guy that should be getting called an MVP favorite like I've seen from some talking heads.

For what it's worth I think the texans have a better overall roster than the Jags and much better personnel people, so I expect the texans to win the division for the foreseeable future if Trevor doesn't play like a transcendent QB.

Trevor and Doug's ability to get wins with middling surrounding talent have made Khan complacent. Baalke should have been gone when Doug got hired, he's terrible in the draft.

Yep I know, didn't mean to imply you're a Stroud-hater (Where's Eric1 or nhiverson :p). I would say that Brady and Montana didn't look like the GOAT Brady and Montana in their rookie (starting) year, but it certainly says something that they didn't set the record, mentioned above, until their 8th and 11th year respectively.  I do agree that MVP favorite is too early, but I certainly think his window will go that high over his career.

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NYC4jags Wrote:
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Please, and thank you.

I think he'll be about the same as last year. I don't expect to see a slump from Stroud. Scheduling wise, they'll have an interesting and exciting December with 1st  - 4th seed positioning on the line.

They see the Dolphins, Chiefs and Ravens within 10 days. During the December 15th - 25th stretch. That's tough. Really tough.

This is after we play each other on the 1st of that month in Jacksonville before they get their bye week. So, depending on that game. Could see some interesting opportunities up for grabs.

I expect Stroud to play just like he did last year though. Big arm. Big plays. Buying time in the pocket with his mobility, etc.

The way the schedule is set-up between the Texans and Jags (based purely on current SoS), it looks like the Texans should get off to a fast start with a difficult end of the season.  Where the Jags are the opposite, tough start with an easier end of the season. Should make this year quite an interesting battle heading into the playoffs.

Either that, or, both of our teams stink and it's the Will Levis & AR15 show this year. Could you [BLEEP] imagine? My God, our heads would probably explode from this outcome. LOL.

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The way the schedule is set-up between the Texans and Jags (based purely on current SoS), it looks like the Texans should get off to a fast start with a difficult end of the season.  Where the Jags are the opposite, tough start with an easier end of the season. Should make this year quite an interesting battle heading into the playoffs.

Either that, or, both of our teams stink and it's the Will Levis & AR15 show this year. Could you [BLEEP] imagine? My God, our heads would probably explode from this outcome. LOL.

I'd believe AR more than Levis based on the players around him, but you never know.  I think I said it somewhere else but Vegas has given the Tacks worse odds to win the division than they did the 3-13 Texans.  It all comes down to health at the end, if the Jags lose a couple IOL they're going to struggle.  If the Texans lose Al-Shaair (with Christian Harris already on the 4-game IR) with their thin LB core, teams will be able to run with ease.

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NYC4jags Wrote:
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Slump is not quite the right wording.

I went with 75% because I do fully expect him to have a tougher time this year and not live up to the expectations the media is saying. He's going to throw more INTs, he's going to have less "wow" moments. They still might win 9-10 games anyway.

I'm not sure if that's considered a "slump" or not

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IT WAS ALWAYS THE JAGS

Still sticking by my thoughts on him initially. I think he'll be about the same, the potential "slump" could come in the month of December where the scheduling is brutal. Dolphins, Chiefs and Ravens all within a 10 day period between the 15th - 25th. I don't care who you are. That is going to be brutal for any team to get through, and, that's his chance to truly shine and be the man.

If he manages to pull out of that stretch besting all three of them, or, at least two of them? He's surely cementing himself where he belongs top QB conversation wise. We're also in the way of that stretch just before their bye week. So, a lot riding on that month for them in particular. Could be the difference between finishing as a 4th seed or maybe 1st seed if Kansas City is shaky along with Baltimore.

They went out and added Diggs to an already talented WR room with Dell and Collins. They have Schultz at TE. They traded for Mixon at RB, a high volume, decently established runner that can probably carry them down the stretch if needed.

I don't know man. This team, along with Stroud, it feels like they're here to stay. My hope is that it's Bobby Slowik's last year there and preferably he takes his branch of the Shanahan tree out of the AFC with him and back to the NFC.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

Still sticking by my thoughts on him initially. I think he'll be about the same, the potential "slump" could come in the month of December where the scheduling is brutal. Dolphins, Chiefs and Ravens all within a 10 day period between the 15th - 25th. I don't care who you are. That is going to be brutal for any team to get through, and, that's his chance to truly shine and be the man.

If he manages to pull out of that stretch besting all three of them, or, at least two of them? He's surely cementing himself where he belongs top QB conversation wise. We're also in the way of that stretch just before their bye week. So, a lot riding on that month for them in particular. Could be the difference between finishing as a 4th seed or maybe 1st seed if Kansas City is shaky along with Baltimore.

They went out and added Diggs to an already talented WR room with Dell and Collins. They have Schultz at TE. They traded for Mixon at RB, a high volume, decently established runner that can probably carry them down the stretch if needed.

I don't know man. This team, along with Stroud, it feels like they're here to stay. My hope is that it's Bobby Slowik's last year there and preferably he takes his branch of the Shanahan tree out of the AFC with him and back to the NFC.

Other teams won't hire him if Slowik can't show up for his interviews!!! MWAAHAAHAA/Turns chair around with a white cat in his lap.  

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Well, well, well...
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