So we're gonna get a high end OC, while having a snake GM?

It' doesn't matter.  It's not going to make any sense until Baalke is gone

TB promotes to EVP, Johnson brings in his own GM, Khan confidently asserts that every problem is repaired.

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It is all stupid. If you are going to take blame be specific. Like yeah there is no switch from a 3-4 to 4-3 that takes place in an off season. The draft has to funnel players that fit the system.

GM turned a blind eye to an impossible task or doesn't understand talent acquisition with an eye to vision for a team.

Nope coaches suck.

If you are built for 3-4 and see your window as open(ing), why do you bring in a guy who is going to force a defensive rebuild? At the very least, why bring in a coach who is unable to be fluid enough in their scheme to utilize the remnants of the roster during transition?

Coaches made that choice. GM and Owner supported the choice. Everyone is culpable.

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It is all stupid. If you are going to take blame be specific. Like yeah there is no switch from a 3-4 to 4-3 that takes place in an off season. The draft has to funnel players that fit the system.

GM turned a blind eye to an impossible task or doesn't understand talent acquisition with an eye to vision for a team.

Nope coaches suck.

If you are built for 3-4 and see your window as open(ing), why do you bring in a guy who is going to force a defensive rebuild? At the very least, why bring in a coach who is unable to be fluid enough in their scheme to utilize the remnants of the roster during transition?

Coaches made that choice. GM and Owner supported the choice. Everyone is culpable.

Shad Khan stated in his Zoom press conference that the GM's job is to support the HC.  That means that when the HC decides to change the defensive scheme, it's on him.

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LOL

I mean - basic logic and obvious context tells you that Baalke is accepting blame for bad free agent signings and Shad is accepting blame for believing Doug would correct whatever went wrong in the later half of 2023 - and that he and his new DC could improve the defense. 

Did you need them to make a list of mistakes for you to feel good about it? 

I can't believe the owner just humiliated the crap out of the GM on that Zoom with beat reporters and you lot are still all in on this silly "worm tongue" horse [BLEEP] like this is some soap opera or something. 

Trent had to sit there and listen to his boss say outright that he'd move on from him if a coach he liked could convince him it was a good idea TO BRING IN A DIFFERENT GM

LOL

AM I THE ONLY ONE THAT HEARD THAT??

True but Shad was also being very stupid or deliberately so when he was asked about 'a clean slate' and took that as firing the medical department. Everyone knows what a clean slate means and I don't personally think he meant if a HC came in and said they couldn't work with Baalke then he's fired. He said they'd talk through why they felt that way and I think he was talking about better ideas as in terms of behind the scenes people.

My opinion: 

He was actually poking fun at the question by listing the obvious positions he doesn't need to terminate to appease fans - while simultaneously showing a tiny shred of courtesy to Baalke be NOT saying:
 "Hey, Eddie friggin' Morrow - the GM is on the damn hot seat here with a year left on his deal - I'm not renewing it - and I might send him packing in a few weeks depending on how these interviews go, so settle down"

Do we really believe he didn't understand the question referred to firing the GM and coach simultaneously?  
I think he simply played it cool because the guy everyone is trying to tar and feather was literally on the zoom call with him.

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True but Shad was also being very stupid or deliberately so when he was asked about 'a clean slate' and took that as firing the medical department. Everyone knows what a clean slate means and I don't personally think he meant if a HC came in and said they couldn't work with Baalke then he's fired. He said they'd talk through why they felt that way and I think he was talking about better ideas as in terms of behind the scenes people.

My opinion: 

He was actually poking fun at the question by listing the obvious positions he doesn't need to terminate to appease fans - while simultaneously showing a tiny shred of courtesy to Baalke be NOT saying:
 "Hey, Eddie friggin' Morrow - the GM is on the damn hot seat here with a year left on his deal - I'm not renewing it - and I might send him packing in a few weeks depending on how these interviews go, so settle down"

Do we really believe he didn't understand the question referred to firing the GM and coach simultaneously?  
I think he simply played it cool because the guy everyone is trying to tar and feather was literally on the zoom call with him.

I mean maybe. Shad does trust those football guys he surrounds himself with and likes to have someone to lean on. That's what he bought Coughlin in for, that's what he did with Caldwell and Baalke seems to be that guy right now. I think Shad meant it when he said this is the best roster we've ever had and he credits Baalke for playing a part in that. 

The good and bad thing of Shad is I think he's willing to listen to someone if they come in and can give evidence of how x,y,z was a bad move and that this is a better path to take. 

I just don't personally see Baalke hanging by a thread right now. I can see Shad bringing someone in that works alongside Baalke or kind of minimises his role or moving Baalke to more a consultant role but I don't see Baalke getting shoved out the door any time soon.

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Not sure what's worse.

The press conference with Shad and Baalke or the boards instability.

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Not sure what's worse.

The press conference with Shad and Baalke or the boards instability.

I’m beginning to think they’re linked, somehow.

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Not sure what's worse.

The press conference with Shad and Baalke or the boards instability.

I’m beginning to think they’re linked, somehow.

I'm getting this image of Shad Khan twisting his mustache with one hand and switching the board off and on to torture us, while he laughs.

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It is all stupid. If you are going to take blame be specific. Like yeah there is no switch from a 3-4 to 4-3 that takes place in an off season. The draft has to funnel players that fit the system.

GM turned a blind eye to an impossible task or doesn't understand talent acquisition with an eye to vision for a team.

Nope coaches suck.

If you are built for 3-4 and see your window as open(ing), why do you bring in a guy who is going to force a defensive rebuild? At the very least, why bring in a coach who is unable to be fluid enough in their scheme to utilize the remnants of the roster during transition?

Coaches made that choice. GM and Owner supported the choice. Everyone is culpable.

I think because we had a decent amount of pieces at LB that could fit either scheme for it not to be a "from the ground up" type rebuild.  I prefer a 4-3 base defense personally if you have the ends for it which we do.  We just didn't have the secondary pieces and the patchwork parts we brought in in free agency (primarily Darby) weren't good enough.  Might have been some miscommunication issues or just lack of experience in the scheme issues that contributed as well.

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My opinion: 

He was actually poking fun at the question by listing the obvious positions he doesn't need to terminate to appease fans - while simultaneously showing a tiny shred of courtesy to Baalke be NOT saying:
 "Hey, Eddie friggin' Morrow - the GM is on the damn hot seat here with a year left on his deal - I'm not renewing it - and I might send him packing in a few weeks depending on how these interviews go, so settle down"

Do we really believe he didn't understand the question referred to firing the GM and coach simultaneously?  
I think he simply played it cool because the guy everyone is trying to tar and feather was literally on the zoom call with him.

I mean maybe. Shad does trust those football guys he surrounds himself with and likes to have someone to lean on. That's what he bought Coughlin in for, that's what he did with Caldwell and Baalke seems to be that guy right now. I think Shad meant it when he said this is the best roster we've ever had and he credits Baalke for playing a part in that. 

The good and bad thing of Shad is I think he's willing to listen to someone if they come in and can give evidence of how x,y,z was a bad move and that this is a better path to take. 

I just don't personally see Baalke hanging by a thread right now. I can see Shad bringing someone in that works alongside Baalke or kind of minimises his role or moving Baalke to more a consultant role but I don't see Baalke getting shoved out the door any time soon.

I disagree.

Those comments were never meant for the public's ears. 
He was standing in front of the team and the staff at a private meeting. 
 There just happened to be a camera rolling for the hunt documentary series. That bit going public was a mistake in the editing room, but it does show the reality of accountability. 

That was 100% Khan telling that team and staff - no excuses - he expects wins, he expects them now and there will be consequences. We've just seen a super bowl winning coach pay the consequence. 

Anyway - since Khan has been here - there has probably only been one roster on the talent level of this one and/or better. (sadly)So he wasn't that inaccurate in the comments despite their real intent. 
The primary foresight Khan lacked when making those comments was how bad the free agents would turn out and how miserably Nielsen would fail at getting production from his lot. But he was challenging all of them. 

I don't have an issue with his podium comments meant to challenge a staff and team. 
"no excuse not to win now" is a strong message in that moment IMO

Regarding Baalke:
If Khan is committed to him - we'll see his contract renewed when the HC signs. 
If that doesn't happen, we'll know for sure the thread is unraveling. 
The fact he's not being renewed now already makes a statement of its own. 
The fact Khan left him twisting in the wind when 3 different reporters asked about his contract status also should speak volumes.

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I mean maybe. Shad does trust those football guys he surrounds himself with and likes to have someone to lean on. That's what he bought Coughlin in for, that's what he did with Caldwell and Baalke seems to be that guy right now. I think Shad meant it when he said this is the best roster we've ever had and he credits Baalke for playing a part in that. 

The good and bad thing of Shad is I think he's willing to listen to someone if they come in and can give evidence of how x,y,z was a bad move and that this is a better path to take. 

I just don't personally see Baalke hanging by a thread right now. I can see Shad bringing someone in that works alongside Baalke or kind of minimises his role or moving Baalke to more a consultant role but I don't see Baalke getting shoved out the door any time soon.

I disagree.

Those comments were never meant for the public's ears. 
He was standing in front of the team and the staff at a private meeting. 
 There just happened to be a camera rolling for the hunt documentary series. That bit going public was a mistake in the editing room, but it does show the reality of accountability. 

That was 100% Khan telling that team and staff - no excuses - he expects wins, he expects them now and there will be consequences. We've just seen a super bowl winning coach pay the consequence. 

Anyway - since Khan has been here - there has probably only been one roster on the talent level of this one and/or better. (sadly)So he wasn't that inaccurate in the comments despite their real intent. 
The primary foresight Khan lacked when making those comments was how bad the free agents would turn out and how miserably Nielsen would fail at getting production from his lot. But he was challenging all of them. 

I don't have an issue with his podium comments meant to challenge a staff and team. 
"no excuse not to win now" is a strong message in that moment IMO

Regarding Baalke:
If Khan is committed to him - we'll see his contract renewed when the HC signs. 
If that doesn't happen, we'll know for sure the thread is unraveling. 
The fact he's not being renewed now already makes a statement of its own. 
The fact Khan left him twisting in the wind when 3 different reporters asked about his contract status also should speak volumes.

There has been quite the backlash from fans, local media and national media about keeping Baalke so I certainly agree that Khan must be aware of opinions about him. 

I do think Shad cares and wants to win and I can't fault him for the effort he's put in to try and turn us into a winner. He's made some bad decisions and ones that didn't work out but he's definitely trying. I had high hopes and expectations for this season and felt the roster was stronger. It felt like we'd added experience and guys with playoff experience but it all fell apart.

Now I definitely put blame on the coaches. Nielsens D was terrible and what the reason why the players struggled so badly will debated for a while. The O was poor for big stretches of games. The coaching staff definitely deserved blame for how the season  went.

I guess what will be debated, and people will draw their own lines of responsibility, is the FA'S that came in. They were a huge let down and hurt more than helped. We're they players Doug wanted? Baalke? Agreed together? Did Doug say 'I need a WR' and Baalke picked Gabe?

I guess this is where things get messy as we don't know for sure what the conversation was but fans will make their own minds up about how decided what. 

It will be interesting to see how coaching interviews go and who we get and how that structure will sort itself. But I do agree, Shad wants a winning team.

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I disagree.

Those comments were never meant for the public's ears. 
He was standing in front of the team and the staff at a private meeting. 
 There just happened to be a camera rolling for the hunt documentary series. That bit going public was a mistake in the editing room, but it does show the reality of accountability. 

That was 100% Khan telling that team and staff - no excuses - he expects wins, he expects them now and there will be consequences. We've just seen a super bowl winning coach pay the consequence. 

Anyway - since Khan has been here - there has probably only been one roster on the talent level of this one and/or better. (sadly)So he wasn't that inaccurate in the comments despite their real intent. 
The primary foresight Khan lacked when making those comments was how bad the free agents would turn out and how miserably Nielsen would fail at getting production from his lot. But he was challenging all of them. 

I don't have an issue with his podium comments meant to challenge a staff and team. 
"no excuse not to win now" is a strong message in that moment IMO

Regarding Baalke:
If Khan is committed to him - we'll see his contract renewed when the HC signs. 
If that doesn't happen, we'll know for sure the thread is unraveling. 
The fact he's not being renewed now already makes a statement of its own. 
The fact Khan left him twisting in the wind when 3 different reporters asked about his contract status also should speak volumes.

There has been quite the backlash from fans, local media and national media about keeping Baalke so I certainly agree that Khan must be aware of opinions about him. 

I do think Shad cares and wants to win and I can't fault him for the effort he's put in to try and turn us into a winner. He's made some bad decisions and ones that didn't work out but he's definitely trying. I had high hopes and expectations for this season and felt the roster was stronger. It felt like we'd added experience and guys with playoff experience but it all fell apart.

Now I definitely put blame on the coaches. Nielsens D was terrible and what the reason why the players struggled so badly will debated for a while. The O was poor for big stretches of games. The coaching staff definitely deserved blame for how the season  went.

I guess what will be debated, and people will draw their own lines of responsibility, is the FA'S that came in. They were a huge let down and hurt more than helped. We're they players Doug wanted? Baalke? Agreed together? Did Doug say 'I need a WR' and Baalke picked Gabe?

I guess this is where things get messy as we don't know for sure what the conversation was but fans will make their own minds up about how decided what. 

It will be interesting to see how coaching interviews go and who we get and how that structure will sort itself. But I do agree, Shad wants a winning team.

Given what we see playing out in front of us and the repeated recent talk of "collaboration" on personnel decisions I think it is clear Doug had lots of influence on those signings and draft picks. 

Should that mean that Trent is safe? No. I'd have fired him along with DP. 

But the fact Baalke's still there tells me Doug was very likely a strong voice in some of those personnel decisions.
It was a horrible free agent haul and bad enough to send the GM packing regardless of collaboration IMO.
But here we are waiting to see if he squeaks through a coaching search without a parachute.

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I mean maybe. Shad does trust those football guys he surrounds himself with and likes to have someone to lean on. That's what he bought Coughlin in for, that's what he did with Caldwell and Baalke seems to be that guy right now. I think Shad meant it when he said this is the best roster we've ever had and he credits Baalke for playing a part in that. 

The good and bad thing of Shad is I think he's willing to listen to someone if they come in and can give evidence of how x,y,z was a bad move and that this is a better path to take. 

I just don't personally see Baalke hanging by a thread right now. I can see Shad bringing someone in that works alongside Baalke or kind of minimises his role or moving Baalke to more a consultant role but I don't see Baalke getting shoved out the door any time soon.

I disagree.

Those comments were never meant for the public's ears. 
He was standing in front of the team and the staff at a private meeting. 
 There just happened to be a camera rolling for the hunt documentary series. That bit going public was a mistake in the editing room, but it does show the reality of accountability. 

That was 100% Khan telling that team and staff - no excuses - he expects wins, he expects them now and there will be consequences. We've just seen a super bowl winning coach pay the consequence. 

Anyway - since Khan has been here - there has probably only been one roster on the talent level of this one and/or better. (sadly)So he wasn't that inaccurate in the comments despite their real intent. 
The primary foresight Khan lacked when making those comments was how bad the free agents would turn out and how miserably Nielsen would fail at getting production from his lot. But he was challenging all of them. 

I don't have an issue with his podium comments meant to challenge a staff and team. 
"no excuse not to win now" is a strong message in that moment IMO

Regarding Baalke:
If Khan is committed to him - we'll see his contract renewed when the HC signs. 
If that doesn't happen, we'll know for sure the thread is unraveling. 
The fact he's not being renewed now already makes a statement of its own. 
The fact Khan left him twisting in the wind when 3 different reporters asked about his contract status also should speak volumes.

Hopefully Khan consults someone to give him your information, because if there ever is a person to go in the public media to go defend Khan, you're definitely the #1 pick lol. I just don't get it, considering the body of work, but keep defending the guy I guess.

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I disagree.

Those comments were never meant for the public's ears. 
He was standing in front of the team and the staff at a private meeting. 
 There just happened to be a camera rolling for the hunt documentary series. That bit going public was a mistake in the editing room, but it does show the reality of accountability. 

That was 100% Khan telling that team and staff - no excuses - he expects wins, he expects them now and there will be consequences. We've just seen a super bowl winning coach pay the consequence. 

Anyway - since Khan has been here - there has probably only been one roster on the talent level of this one and/or better. (sadly)So he wasn't that inaccurate in the comments despite their real intent. 
The primary foresight Khan lacked when making those comments was how bad the free agents would turn out and how miserably Nielsen would fail at getting production from his lot. But he was challenging all of them. 

I don't have an issue with his podium comments meant to challenge a staff and team. 
"no excuse not to win now" is a strong message in that moment IMO

Regarding Baalke:
If Khan is committed to him - we'll see his contract renewed when the HC signs. 
If that doesn't happen, we'll know for sure the thread is unraveling. 
The fact he's not being renewed now already makes a statement of its own. 
The fact Khan left him twisting in the wind when 3 different reporters asked about his contract status also should speak volumes.

Hopefully Khan consults someone to give him your information, because if there ever is a person to go in the public media to go defend Khan, you're definitely the #1 pick lol. I just don't get it, considering the body of work, but keep defending the guy I guess.

I don't think Khan was off base if he was only talking about his tenure as Jags owner.   On paper, this should have been a playoff team.   I think the main problem was the coaching on defense, which was supposed to be an upgrade, instead was a disaster.  That plus a slew of injuries on offense.  And the free agents we signed did not perform as expected.  But I don't think Khan was wrong to say that, in preseason, on paper, it was the best team he's ever had while he's been here.

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I disagree.

Those comments were never meant for the public's ears. 
He was standing in front of the team and the staff at a private meeting. 
 There just happened to be a camera rolling for the hunt documentary series. That bit going public was a mistake in the editing room, but it does show the reality of accountability. 

That was 100% Khan telling that team and staff - no excuses - he expects wins, he expects them now and there will be consequences. We've just seen a super bowl winning coach pay the consequence. 

Anyway - since Khan has been here - there has probably only been one roster on the talent level of this one and/or better. (sadly)So he wasn't that inaccurate in the comments despite their real intent. 
The primary foresight Khan lacked when making those comments was how bad the free agents would turn out and how miserably Nielsen would fail at getting production from his lot. But he was challenging all of them. 

I don't have an issue with his podium comments meant to challenge a staff and team. 
"no excuse not to win now" is a strong message in that moment IMO

Regarding Baalke:
If Khan is committed to him - we'll see his contract renewed when the HC signs. 
If that doesn't happen, we'll know for sure the thread is unraveling. 
The fact he's not being renewed now already makes a statement of its own. 
The fact Khan left him twisting in the wind when 3 different reporters asked about his contract status also should speak volumes.

Hopefully Khan consults someone to give him your information, because if there ever is a person to go in the public media to go defend Khan, you're definitely the #1 pick lol. I just don't get it, considering the body of work, but keep defending the guy I guess.

Blah, blah blah 

Whatever 

I've been crystal clear about Khan multiple making bad decisions including keeping Baalke. You're the guy calling that "defending him" 

I'm trying to be objective.

The other comments I make about him are merely separating the wheat from the chaff in the typical whirlwind of fan overreaction. Fans overreact and miss the nuance of the situation very frequently.
I stand behind all of my comments - but don't twist my words to suit some feeble jab.

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Ultimately, this is the 2nd hiring cycle in a row where multiple NFL insiders are suggesting that Baalke's presence is going to put off respective candidates and we saw that the first time round.

Surely that's a firing offence in itself, difficult to defend that from Shad's perspective.

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Guess potential HCs are lining up Baalke or not....the owner and his $$$ speak,  and they listen.
Maybe Shad isn't as dumb as we thought just playing closer to the vest. 

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There has been quite the backlash from fans, local media and national media about keeping Baalke so I certainly agree that Khan must be aware of opinions about him. 

I do think Shad cares and wants to win and I can't fault him for the effort he's put in to try and turn us into a winner. He's made some bad decisions and ones that didn't work out but he's definitely trying. I had high hopes and expectations for this season and felt the roster was stronger. It felt like we'd added experience and guys with playoff experience but it all fell apart.

Now I definitely put blame on the coaches. Nielsens D was terrible and what the reason why the players struggled so badly will debated for a while. The O was poor for big stretches of games. The coaching staff definitely deserved blame for how the season  went.

I guess what will be debated, and people will draw their own lines of responsibility, is the FA'S that came in. They were a huge let down and hurt more than helped. We're they players Doug wanted? Baalke? Agreed together? Did Doug say 'I need a WR' and Baalke picked Gabe?

I guess this is where things get messy as we don't know for sure what the conversation was but fans will make their own minds up about how decided what. 

It will be interesting to see how coaching interviews go and who we get and how that structure will sort itself. But I do agree, Shad wants a winning team.

Given what we see playing out in front of us and the repeated recent talk of "collaboration" on personnel decisions I think it is clear Doug had lots of influence on those signings and draft picks. 

Should that mean that Trent is safe? No. I'd have fired him along with DP. 

But the fact Baalke's still there tells me Doug was very likely a strong voice in some of those personnel decisions.
It was a horrible free agent haul and bad enough to send the GM packing regardless of collaboration IMO.
But here we are waiting to see if he squeaks through a coaching search without a parachute.

Yeah you make a good point with the collaboration. I actually agree with the system Shad talks about. The HC identifying what we need to improve on the roster and the GM and owner working to get those pieces. I'm sure there will be disagreements about players and areas to focus on over others and I'd be intrigued to know who, if anyone, has the final say over such decisions where they disagree.

The HC is the guy directing the coaches and co-ordinatiors and spending every day with the players, I think he should have a big say in who we bring in and what areas we address. Again your right when that was a subject they spoke about quite a lot that means Doug probably did have quite a big say in those additions.

Appreciate you tho NYC. Always respect your opinion when talking football and even when we might not agree, it's always a good chat expressing why you feel that way.

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I like diversity of thought because that is the only kind that matters. The boards here have helped me more than hurt me in the great Jaguars Fandom.

I am out of market and do not use social media. The click bait stuff is frustrating but the boards has been good to balance it all out. I disagree lots but know at the end of the day most of us are fans of the team.

I am just getting worn out by all the time wasted by the team. Khan has to be totally disappointed and worn out by all the let down. I give him credit because saying the roster was talented was a way better message than the time it was "built".

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Birth of the Franchise - November 30, 1993
Death of the Franchise - November 29, 2011

Fans deserve better. Thanks for all the good times too many are in the past.

Ultimately, this is the 2nd hiring cycle in a row where multiple NFL insiders are suggesting that Baalke's presence is going to put off respective candidates and we saw that the first time round.

Surely that's a firing offence in itself, difficult to defend that from Shad's perspective.

Which candidates rejected interview requests based on TB's presence? I've seen 10 names already listed as requested for interview, haven't heard one ask to remove his name from consideration.

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