Hopefully Khan consults someone to give him your information, because if there ever is a person to go in the public media to go defend Khan, you're definitely the #1 pick lol. I just don't get it, considering the body of work, but keep defending the guy I guess.

Blah, blah blah 

Whatever 

I've been crystal clear about Khan multiple making bad decisions including keeping Baalke. You're the guy calling that "defending him" 

I'm trying to be objective.

The other comments I make about him are merely separating the wheat from the chaff in the typical whirlwind of fan overreaction. Fans overreact and miss the nuance of the situation very frequently.
I stand behind all of my comments - but don't twist my words to suit some feeble jab.

I agree with you but at first I was certainly in the crowd with my pitch fork out ready for a witch hunt. 

I know you don’t live in the Duval area and I’m not sure how closely you follow our local radio media but it wasn’t just fans on here who were doom and gloom. Literally every show had at least one personality who was standing on the edge of Wells Fargo building so it was easy to fall into that trap locally.

I’m also not saying I’m happy with keeping TB by any stretch, but I don’t think it’s quite as off putting as I and many other originally thought when the announcement was made on Tuesday. I still think we are by the most attractive destination and I don’t even think it’s close. 

Shad may not be handing the keys to kingdom to the new HC and letting him hire his own GM, but I don’t see him handicapping any new coach either. I think he knows he has to get this one right or he runs the risk of wasting A LOT  of contract money and talent. Not to mention he is on the cusp of breaking ground on a new stadium that will transform the Jacksonville skyline and river front so he knows what is at stake.

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The articles have been saying this coaching search is weighted toward a first-time HC rather than a veteran HC. Nuthin' for nuthin', but if Khan is bringing in a first-time HC, then that HC is very unlikely to bring an experienced GM with him. You wouldn't want first timers in both of those roles, I wouldn't think. If it's a first-time HC, then the owner needs a GM that he's got experience with. If it's an experienced HC, then he can bring an experienced GM with him. Maybe Khan has a GM that he's been consulting on the side for the last year or so? Who is running the HC hiring process? Maybe that's the new GM (if there is one).

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This is the current list of Coaches that will interview, or that they have requested an interview with. Ben Johnson interviews Saturday night.

1) Ben Johnson
2) Liam Coen
3) Aaron Glenn
4) Robert Saleh
5) Todd Monken
6) Brian Flores
7) Joe Brady
8) Kellen Moore
9) Patrick Graham

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Blah, blah blah 

Whatever 

I've been crystal clear about Khan multiple making bad decisions including keeping Baalke. You're the guy calling that "defending him" 

I'm trying to be objective.

The other comments I make about him are merely separating the wheat from the chaff in the typical whirlwind of fan overreaction. Fans overreact and miss the nuance of the situation very frequently.
I stand behind all of my comments - but don't twist my words to suit some feeble jab.

I agree with you but at first I was certainly in the crowd with my pitch fork out ready for a witch hunt. 

I know you don’t live in the Duval area and I’m not sure how closely you follow our local radio media but it wasn’t just fans on here who were doom and gloom. Literally every show had at least one personality who was standing on the edge of Wells Fargo building so it was easy to fall into that trap locally.

I’m also not saying I’m happy with keeping TB by any stretch, but I don’t think it’s quite as off putting as I and many other originally thought when the announcement was made on Tuesday. I still think we are by the most attractive destination and I don’t even think it’s close. 

Shad may not be handing the keys to kingdom to the new HC and letting him hire his own GM, but I don’t see him handicapping any new coach either. I think he knows he has to get this one right or he runs the risk of wasting A LOT  of contract money and talent. Not to mention he is on the cusp of breaking ground on a new stadium that will transform the Jacksonville skyline and river front so he knows what is at stake.

I actually moved back home to Jax ~7 years ago after 14 years in NYC

So I've heard all the banter 

I'm trying to keep a somewhat level head about what is actually happening and where this thing may be headed. Plenty of positive outcomes to be imagined here. Plenty of mind-numbingly bad ones too. 

If the braintrust lands the right HC and grants him the power Khan seems to intend for the next HC, this thing could pan out quickly. 

Big ifs, but I'll try to observe the process without losing my mind obsessing over how a billionaire spends his money.

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Given what we see playing out in front of us and the repeated recent talk of "collaboration" on personnel decisions I think it is clear Doug had lots of influence on those signings and draft picks. 

Should that mean that Trent is safe? No. I'd have fired him along with DP. 

But the fact Baalke's still there tells me Doug was very likely a strong voice in some of those personnel decisions.
It was a horrible free agent haul and bad enough to send the GM packing regardless of collaboration IMO.
But here we are waiting to see if he squeaks through a coaching search without a parachute.

Yeah you make a good point with the collaboration. I actually agree with the system Shad talks about. The HC identifying what we need to improve on the roster and the GM and owner working to get those pieces. I'm sure there will be disagreements about players and areas to focus on over others and I'd be intrigued to know who, if anyone, has the final say over such decisions where they disagree.

The HC is the guy directing the coaches and co-ordinatiors and spending every day with the players, I think he should have a big say in who we bring in and what areas we address. Again your right when that was a subject they spoke about quite a lot that means Doug probably did have quite a big say in those additions.

Appreciate you tho NYC. Always respect your opinion when talking football and even when we might not agree, it's always a good chat expressing why you feel that way.

Thank you, sir. 

I just want to see them get it right like everybody else. Always enjoy hashing out our various opinions, speculations, venting and commiserations.

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Hopefully Khan consults someone to give him your information, because if there ever is a person to go in the public media to go defend Khan, you're definitely the #1 pick lol. I just don't get it, considering the body of work, but keep defending the guy I guess.

Blah, blah blah 

Whatever 

I've been crystal clear about Khan multiple making bad decisions including keeping Baalke. You're the guy calling that "defending him" 

I'm trying to be objective.

The other comments I make about him are merely separating the wheat from the chaff in the typical whirlwind of fan overreaction. Fans overreact and miss the nuance of the situation very frequently.
I stand behind all of my comments - but don't twist my words to suit some feeble jab.

I didn't mean it in a disrespectful way at all. It's honorable. Find someone who will defend you like NYC defends Khan. 

The guy is 64-148, responsible for the HC hires (only 1 GM hire really). He says "You know" after every 3 words he says. You know, I'm just thinking he's in over his head. You know, the facts are just there. You know, he's kind of setting himself if he hires a rookie HC to pick a GM and it fails. You know.... you know how that will go with the fans. Let's be real. 

Just feels like he is trying to reinvent the bumper, when Mr.Khans bumpers work just fine.

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Blah, blah blah 

Whatever 

I've been crystal clear about Khan multiple making bad decisions including keeping Baalke. You're the guy calling that "defending him" 

I'm trying to be objective.

The other comments I make about him are merely separating the wheat from the chaff in the typical whirlwind of fan overreaction. Fans overreact and miss the nuance of the situation very frequently.
I stand behind all of my comments - but don't twist my words to suit some feeble jab.

I didn't mean it in a disrespectful way at all. It's honorable. Find someone who will defend you like NYC defends Khan. 

The guy is 64-148, responsible for the HC hires (only 1 GM hire really). He says "You know" after every 3 words he says. You know, I'm just thinking he's in over his head. You know, the facts are just there. You know, he's kind of setting himself if he hires a rookie HC to pick a GM and it fails. You know.... you know how that will go with the fans. Let's be real. 

Just feels like he is trying to reinvent the bumper, when Mr.Khans bumpers work just fine.

Of course he's in over his head

Every hands off style owner is in over his head

That's why they hire football people

He just keeps picking the wrong ones

And he actually says "...OK? umm..." between thoughts more often than "you know" when he's really digging in to an answer

At least I'm not so blatantly disingenuous in my posting that I try to assign a W/L record to an owner. 
"That's just, you know, not very, look we want to do this the right way, OK? Umm..."

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Since the other thread was more related to firings, figured a thread dedicated to the coaching search would be nice. 

So far the Jags have requested to interview 

Liam Coen
Ben Johnson 
Aaron Glenn

Possibly Vrabel? 

As we all know most options will either decline or just not interview. For the obvious reasons.

I like all these guys. Would be happy to land any of them.

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I love that we requested an interview with Steve S. Hes one of the all time great defensive minds and has been in this game for a long long time. He has done it all, HC experience and has been under some of the greatest coaches of all time in Reid and Coughlin. He has won 4 SBs as a DC, more than any coordinator in NFL history. If we cant get Ben Johonson he actualy might be at the top of my list. Hes probably knows everyone in the league with how long hes been in the league so I think he would have no problem getting a really good OC and positional coaches. Draft the guy he wants on defense in the first in Graham or Johnson. Get Spags and bring in Mike Borgonzi at GM and id be very confindent in this thing doing a 180 and making the playoffs next year and winning the division.

My order right now

1a. Ben Johnson HC, John Dorsey GM

1b. Steve Spagnuolo HC, MIke Borgonzi GM

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Since the other thread was more related to firings, figured a thread dedicated to the coaching search would be nice. 

So far the Jags have requested to interview 

Liam Coen
Ben Johnson 
Aaron Glenn

Possibly Vrabel? 

As we all know most options will either decline or just not interview. For the obvious reasons.

I like all these guys. Would be happy to land any of them.

I look at Glenn and Vrabel as men, and the younger ones -- Coen especially -- as college kids based on their youthful faces. I think the former two will project leadership. The 30ish coaches, like Mike McDaniel, are like wonky young savants. They're viewed as the cool hipster at first. But when their wizardry gets figured out or their team's personnel isn't great, it will be tough for them to command the locker room and grind through the tough times. By contrast, Dan Campbell garnered instant respect as a former player and seasoned man to instill discipline and fortitude in the locker room. That's why I'm casting my vote for Glenn or Vrabel.

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"I am only an average man, but by George, I work harder at it than the average man." - Teddy Roosevelt

I like all these guys. Would be happy to land any of them.

I look at Glenn and Vrabel as men, and the younger ones -- Coen especially -- as college kids based on their youthful faces. I think the former two will project leadership. The 30ish coaches, like Mike McDaniel, are like wonky young savants. They're viewed as the cool hipster at first. But when their wizardry gets figured out or their team's personnel isn't great, it will be tough for them to command the locker room and grind through the tough times. By contrast, Dan Campbell garnered instant respect as a former player and seasoned man to instill discipline and fortitude in the locker room. That's why I'm casting my vote for Glenn or Vrabel.

Those are good choices.  I'd probably lean that way, too.

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I like all these guys. Would be happy to land any of them.

I look at Glenn and Vrabel as men, and the younger ones -- Coen especially -- as college kids based on their youthful faces. I think the former two will project leadership. The 30ish coaches, like Mike McDaniel, are like wonky young savants. They're viewed as the cool hipster at first. But when their wizardry gets figured out or their team's personnel isn't great, it will be tough for them to command the locker room and grind through the tough times. By contrast, Dan Campbell garnered instant respect as a former player and seasoned man to instill discipline and fortitude in the locker room. That's why I'm casting my vote for Glenn or Vrabel.

We have no idea. Everyone is just spinning their tops.

People said the same thing for McVay or LaFleur, but both guys have the respect of their teams, can control/lead a locker room men, and manage a team. Whereas there have been many primarily culture guys who failed because they couldn't develop players, didn't have coherent schemes, could not make adjustments, or their message/stick got stale and fell on deaf ears at the first sign of struggle.

There is no way to predict which guy will have enough of those characteristics to succeed. Some of it may be right time, right place, right maturity. Some may be getting paired with the right star/franchise players or GM to balance them out.

The primary thing to look for though is trying to find a force multiplier at the HC. That is a guy who is able to coach up one or more position groups several notches above their talent level. That could be via elite scouting/development, assistant coach identification, film room/scheme identification, and/or play calling. But then it allows you to devote way fewer resources (cap space/draft capital) to parts of the team, and use it to shore up other sectors.

Some examples would be Green Bay and OL's, San Fran and RB's, Seattle under Carroll and DB's, Belicheck and his def Front 7.

That is how you win regularly in this league.

Also if people really want pure culture guys, why aren't you including the elite Special Teams coaches that have been considered for years but still have not been given a shot?

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To work *with* Baalke or to work as a subordinate? That remains to be seen. If he's promoted to some position where Khan thinks he can do less damage, he'll still have the potential to do damage. It's time to cut the cord.

New Hire in Front Office?

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I'm condescending. That means I talk down to you. 
Check out the Jag's Forum Alternative: Duval Football Fans.

We’ll end up with Todd Monken or Robert Saleh.  

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I keep hearing all these high profile names and keep thinking it is hopeful wishing. Shad made his decision to keep Baalke and looks like he has the hip of the owner. A High Profile Coach with options is not going to come to sucky Jacksonville where he is hamstrung by the owners Yes man.

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I like all these guys. Would be happy to land any of them.

I look at Glenn and Vrabel as men, and the younger ones -- Coen especially -- as college kids based on their youthful faces. I think the former two will project leadership. The 30ish coaches, like Mike McDaniel, are like wonky young savants. They're viewed as the cool hipster at first. But when their wizardry gets figured out or their team's personnel isn't great, it will be tough for them to command the locker room and grind through the tough times. By contrast, Dan Campbell garnered instant respect as a former player and seasoned man to instill discipline and fortitude in the locker room. That's why I'm casting my vote for Glenn or Vrabel.

Right?!

Like.... Who wants McVay or LaFleur or OcConnell?! Those guys are just cool hipsters who don't command the locker room.

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I look at Glenn and Vrabel as men, and the younger ones -- Coen especially -- as college kids based on their youthful faces. I think the former two will project leadership. The 30ish coaches, like Mike McDaniel, are like wonky young savants. They're viewed as the cool hipster at first. But when their wizardry gets figured out or their team's personnel isn't great, it will be tough for them to command the locker room and grind through the tough times. By contrast, Dan Campbell garnered instant respect as a former player and seasoned man to instill discipline and fortitude in the locker room. That's why I'm casting my vote for Glenn or Vrabel.

Right?!

Like.... Who wants McVay or LaFleur or OcConnell?! Those guys are just cool hipsters who don't command the locker room.

Thanks.  Saved me from typing that.  And there are others.

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The articles have been saying this coaching search is weighted toward a first-time HC rather than a veteran HC.  Nuthin' for nuthin', but if Khan is bringing in a first-time HC, then that HC is very unlikely to bring an experienced GM with him.  You wouldn't want first timers in both of those roles, I wouldn't think.  If it's a first-time HC, then the owner needs a GM that he's got experience with.  If it's an experienced HC, then he can bring an experienced GM with him.  Maybe Khan has a GM that he's been consulting on the side for the last year or so?  Who is running the HC hiring process?  Maybe that's the new GM (if there is one).

Well if the Johnson rumors are to be believed (big grain of salt here) he wanted to bring someone from the Lions FO with him. 

I personally think khan was just blowing smoke to please ears. He got off rather easy in that press conference. The reports threw him soft balls.

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I look at Glenn and Vrabel as men, and the younger ones -- Coen especially -- as college kids based on their youthful faces. I think the former two will project leadership. The 30ish coaches, like Mike McDaniel, are like wonky young savants. They're viewed as the cool hipster at first. But when their wizardry gets figured out or their team's personnel isn't great, it will be tough for them to command the locker room and grind through the tough times. By contrast, Dan Campbell garnered instant respect as a former player and seasoned man to instill discipline and fortitude in the locker room. That's why I'm casting my vote for Glenn or Vrabel.

Right?!

Like.... Who wants McVay or LaFleur or OcConnell?! Those guys are just cool hipsters who don't command the locker room.

If only they were smart young minds who build their team around their strengths rather then force square pegs into round holes. They would probably do something insane like move Armstead to interior line. Crazy talk

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Right?!

Like.... Who wants McVay or LaFleur or OcConnell?! Those guys are just cool hipsters who don't command the locker room.

Thanks.  Saved me from typing that.  And there are others.

There's no right or wrong train of thought when it comes to hiring a HC.

You want the Dan Campbell type? Go for it!

You want the young offensive minded play caller? Go for it!

No need to bash someone because they look like a college kid and think they can't command a locker room. Kevin OcConnell is beloved in that locker room. His players would run through a brick wall for him but because he doesn't scream about biting knee caps like Campbell, people think he can't command the locker room.

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