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(12-24-2024, 02:37 PM)The Real Marty Wrote:
(12-23-2024, 10:09 AM)TDOSS Wrote: Trump wanted the debt ceiling eliminated until the end of his presidency. Did that happen?

It's actually a good idea to eliminate the debt ceiling.  I'm totally in favor of that.  It's a stupid like exercise every few months where the Congress debates whether the United States will default on its debts.  That's literally exactly what it is.  Congress passes spending bills and then it debates whether they will pay for the things in all those spending bills that they passed.  What a ridiculous and dangerous exercise.

That's an argument for eliminating it forever, not for eliminating it for one election cycle.
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(12-24-2024, 02:53 PM)mikesez Wrote:
(12-24-2024, 02:37 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: It's actually a good idea to eliminate the debt ceiling.  I'm totally in favor of that.  It's a stupid like exercise every few months where the Congress debates whether the United States will default on its debts.  That's literally exactly what it is.  Congress passes spending bills and then it debates whether they will pay for the things in all those spending bills that they passed.  What a ridiculous and dangerous exercise.

That's an argument for eliminating it forever, not for eliminating it for one election cycle.

You do know that its already been suspended for almost two years, right? That Trump is pushing against it because it's reinstated in January and going to hamstring his work with the Congress next year, right?
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(12-24-2024, 09:10 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote:
(12-24-2024, 02:53 PM)mikesez Wrote: That's an argument for eliminating it forever, not for eliminating it for one election cycle.

You do know that its already been suspended for almost two years, right? That Trump is pushing against it because it's reinstated in January and going to hamstring his work with the Congress next year, right?

I'm in favor of eliminating it forever. 
The Democrats were self-serving with that one. As they are with most ones.
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Personally, I would rather see congress eliminate this debt cap ceiling and produce an actual budget. We haven't had one since about 2008. We were around 9 trillion in debt then, now we are up to 36 trillion. Maybe go back to what was somewhat working? This debt ceiling is a sneaky way to spend money we do not have for both parties.
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(12-26-2024, 08:56 PM)Jag149 Wrote: Personally, I would rather see congress eliminate this debt cap ceiling and produce an actual budget. We haven't had one since about 2008. We were around 9 trillion in debt then, now we are up to 36 trillion. Maybe go back to what was somewhat working?  This debt ceiling is a sneaky way to spend money we do not have for both parties.

The debt ceiling is just an agreement to pay the bills for things we have already bought.  It's like if you and your wife had to reach an agreement every month on whether to pay the mortgage and the credit card.  We have already bought stuff, and now we are arguing over whether we should pay for it.  It's an absurd and dangerous exercise.  Defaulting on our debts is not a good way to reduce government spending.  It's like if you decided the best way to reduce your household spending is to ruin your credit.  Only in the case of the federal government, ruining our credit would plunge the entire world into a deep economic depression.    
There's no point to this periodic holding a gun to our head and threatening to pull the trigger.  
We need to cut the spending.  But we still need to pay our bills.
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(12-27-2024, 08:10 AM)The Real Marty Wrote:
(12-26-2024, 08:56 PM)Jag149 Wrote: Personally, I would rather see congress eliminate this debt cap ceiling and produce an actual budget. We haven't had one since about 2008. We were around 9 trillion in debt then, now we are up to 36 trillion. Maybe go back to what was somewhat working?  This debt ceiling is a sneaky way to spend money we do not have for both parties.

The debt ceiling is just an agreement to pay the bills for things we have already bought.  It's like if you and your wife had to reach an agreement every month on whether to pay the mortgage and the credit card.  We have already bought stuff, and now we are arguing over whether we should pay for it.  It's an absurd and dangerous exercise.  Defaulting on our debts is not a good way to reduce government spending.  It's like if you decided the best way to reduce your household spending is to ruin your credit.  Only in the case of the federal government, ruining our credit would plunge the entire world into a deep economic depression.    
There's no point to this periodic holding a gun to our head and threatening to pull the trigger.  
We need to cut the spending.  But we still need to pay our bills.

Everything about our monetary system is built on air, and the balloon holding it is soon to pop. No one is going to cut spending in any meaningful way because the public will immediately vote them out in favor of others who will give them freebies. We're going to print and spend and print and spend and print and spend until the faith the system rests upon is shattered beyond repair. It's already too late, we simply haven't seen the fall yet.
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(12-27-2024, 10:55 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote:
(12-27-2024, 08:10 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: The debt ceiling is just an agreement to pay the bills for things we have already bought.  It's like if you and your wife had to reach an agreement every month on whether to pay the mortgage and the credit card.  We have already bought stuff, and now we are arguing over whether we should pay for it.  It's an absurd and dangerous exercise.  Defaulting on our debts is not a good way to reduce government spending.  It's like if you decided the best way to reduce your household spending is to ruin your credit.  Only in the case of the federal government, ruining our credit would plunge the entire world into a deep economic depression.    
There's no point to this periodic holding a gun to our head and threatening to pull the trigger.  
We need to cut the spending.  But we still need to pay our bills.

Everything about our monetary system is built on air, and the balloon holding it is soon to pop. No one is going to cut spending in any meaningful way because the public will immediately vote them out in favor of others who will give them freebies. We're going to print and spend and print and spend and print and spend until the faith the system rests upon is shattered beyond repair. It's already too late, we simply haven't seen the fall yet.

Lol. 
Rational investors will always seek interest. Bitcoin and gold do not pay interest. 
An economy based on fractional reserve banking will always be more nimble and fast growing than an economy based on full reserve banking. 
If the system we are using today did not work, or was destined to be replaced by a system that where the amount of currency in circulation was more fixed, we would have figured that out 500 years ago.
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(12-27-2024, 12:31 PM)mikesez Wrote:
(12-27-2024, 10:55 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: Everything about our monetary system is built on air, and the balloon holding it is soon to pop. No one is going to cut spending in any meaningful way because the public will immediately vote them out in favor of others who will give them freebies. We're going to print and spend and print and spend and print and spend until the faith the system rests upon is shattered beyond repair. It's already too late, we simply haven't seen the fall yet.

Lol. 
Rational investors will always seek interest. Bitcoin and gold do not pay interest. 
An economy based on fractional reserve banking will always be more nimble and fast growing than an economy based on full reserve banking. 
If the system we are using today did not work, or was destined to be replaced by a system that where the amount of currency in circulation was more fixed, we would have figured that out 500 years ago.

The system we use today DOES work, however it can also be broken, as we've done.
“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

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Will DOGE Do This? Famed Economist Breaks Down How to Take a Sledgehammer to the Deep State

If there’s been one bit of news out of the nascent Trump 47 administration that’s being greeted with excitement — and equal amounts of concern — among conservatives, it’s the new Department of Government Efficiency, or DOGE.

The excitement comes from the fact that President-elect Donald Trump sees efficiency and the curbing of big government as a priority in his second term. Equal excitement is the dual heads of it: two CEOs with some knowledge of the political sphere, Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy.

https://www.westernjournal.com/will-doge...ent=square
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The swamp is too deep to drain. DOGE will fail as 98% of senators and congress people profit from gubbermint over-spending
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(12-31-2024, 03:16 AM)captivating Wrote: The swamp is too deep to drain.  DOGE will fail as 98% of senators and congress people profit from gubbermint over-spending

If they can get rid of even a fraction of it it would be an improvement.
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(12-31-2024, 03:16 AM)captivating Wrote: The swamp is too deep to drain. DOGE will fail as 98% of senators and congress people profit from gubbermint over-spending
(01-04-2025, 11:23 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote:
(12-31-2024, 03:16 AM)captivating Wrote: The swamp is too deep to drain.  DOGE will fail as 98% of senators and congress people profit from gubbermint over-spending

If they can get rid of even a fraction of it it would be an improvement.
This is the huge issue. Thune comes out and is already saying Trump can't do what he wants and the senate has the power. He didn't say that directly but said Trump has to understand what is possible.

The uniparty swamp, RINOs won't give Trump what he wants. They have too much power and they don't fear being replaced because the state republican parties have also been controlled by RINOs. Look at Texas where it's deep red but continues to vote for RINOs because true conservatives don't get the support and money needed to win.

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(01-05-2025, 03:29 PM)p_rushing Wrote:
(12-31-2024, 03:16 AM)captivating Wrote: The swamp is too deep to drain.  DOGE will fail as 98% of senators and congress people profit from gubbermint over-spending
(01-04-2025, 11:23 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: If they can get rid of even a fraction of it it would be an improvement.
This is the huge issue. Thune comes out and is already saying Trump can't do what he wants and the senate has the power. He didn't say that directly but said Trump has to understand what is possible.

The uniparty swamp, RINOs won't give Trump what he wants. They have too much power and they don't fear being replaced because the state republican parties have also been controlled by RINOs. Look at Texas where it's deep red but continues to vote for RINOs because true conservatives don't get the support and money needed to win.

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The governor and attorney general of Texas are both hell bent on executing a man who was convicted on evidence that would not be admitted in court today.
Texas Republicans, I could pick a lot of words, but RINO isn't one.
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(01-05-2025, 11:52 PM)mikesez Wrote:
(01-05-2025, 03:29 PM)p_rushing Wrote: This is the huge issue. Thune comes out and is already saying Trump can't do what he wants and the senate has the power. He didn't say that directly but said Trump has to understand what is possible.

The uniparty swamp, RINOs won't give Trump what he wants. They have too much power and they don't fear being replaced because the state republican parties have also been controlled by RINOs. Look at Texas where it's deep red but continues to vote for RINOs because true conservatives don't get the support and money needed to win.

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The governor and attorney general of Texas are both hell bent on executing a man who was convicted on evidence that would not be admitted in court today.
Texas Republicans, I could pick a lot of words, but RINO isn't one.

The governor is a RINO, a senator is a RINO. The Texas house is controlled by RINOs, although they finally seem to be potentially switching as they just dumped the current RINO leader.

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Doge clock at 60 billion in savings and counting.
A new broom always sweeps clean.
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Doge clock at 61 billion in savings and counting.
A new broom always sweeps clean.
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To quote the great funk group War - " I'd kinda like to be the President....So I can show ya how your money's spent ". 50 years later, its finally here.
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The security guard who stood in front of the DOE entrance handled it well.
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(02-07-2025, 04:12 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: The security guard who stood in front of the DOE entrance handled it well.

He  avoided a planned "clown Show" inside the building.
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