Normally don’t get caught up contracts but I was interested in what the Jaguars will do with Kirk, Etienne, and Scherff for 2025. 

Sporttrac..com is showing that Kirk has received a couple of GM/Workout bonuses in 2025. I forgot that he restructured his salary in 2023 and converted that into a signing bonus. He did the same thing in 2024, and soorttract.com is showing that he did it again for 2025. Kirk holds a 8.7% cap hit, which is the highest on the team.

I’m hoping this means Kirk will be with the Jaguars for the 2025 season. Kirk, Thomas, Engram, Washington and Lawrence gives the Jaguars offense plenty of fire power. 


If Kirk is released post-June 1, his cap savings would be around $10.5 Million. 

The Jaguars are in decent shape in cap, ranking 15th in the NFL, even though Walker Little is the 4th highest base salary-paid Jaguar, while Armstead is 5th.

If Scherff is released = $13M cap savings 

If Hamilton is released = $4.3M cap savings

If they can trade Etienne = $6.1M cap savings. He signed a 5th year option in April of last year. As of right now, he has a cap hit of $6.1M, while Bigsby will only cost the Jaguars around $1.2M in 2025.

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Normally don’t get caught up contracts but I was interested in what the Jaguars will do with Kirk, Etienne, and Scherff for 2025. 

Sporttrac..com is showing that Kirk has received a couple of GM/Workout bonuses in 2025. I forgot that he restructured his salary in 2023 and converted that into a signing bonus. He did the same thing in 2024, and soorttract.com is showing that he did it again for 2025. Kirk holds a 8.7% cap hit, which is the highest on the team.

I’m hoping this means Kirk will be with the Jaguars for the 2025 season. Kirk, Thomas, Engram, Washington and Lawrence gives the Jaguars offense plenty of fire power. 


If Kirk is released post-June 1, his cap savings would be around $10.5 Million. 

The Jaguars are in decent shape in cap, ranking 15th in the NFL, even though Walker Little is the 4th highest base salary-paid Jaguar, while Armstead is 5th.

If Scherff is released = $13M cap savings 

If Hamilton is released = $4.3M cap savings

If they can trade Etienne = $6.1M cap savings. He signed a 5th year option in April of last year. As of right now, he has a cap hit of $6.1M, while Bigsby will only cost the Jaguars around $1.2M in 2025.

That's his pre-June 1st number.  The post June-1st savings for 2025 is $16,351,294 per spotrac.  I think he'll be on the team so as to not create another significant need, but with a post June 1st cut figure as mentioned I'm sure the thought of cutting or trading him will be discussed depending on what the plans for the roster are during free agency.  The desire of whoever the new GM will be to get their own guys may override. Even if they keep him, I'd still like to see a WR drafted in the 3rd or 4th round since we have the extra picks.

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Washington gives the Jaguars some poor mans Jamal Agnew and he should get more touches in 2025. But outside of Thomas and Engram there is no player on the team that can put up the receiving numbers that Kirk is capable of.

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Scherff is already gone, he's into the void years now. The only issue is how much they spread out the remaining cap hit, he won't be playing here unless he signs a new deal and that's unlikely.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

I don’t think Etienne has a place on the team. They might do a 1 year deal to provide insurance at the RB position. After back to back 1400 all-purpose yard seasons he had just 812 yards with only 558 yards rushing. Etienne only scored 2 touchdowns in 2024, after scoring 17 touchdowns over the last 2 seasons prior.

Career long rush in 2022 was 62 yards and added another 62 yard run in 2023. His longest rush in 2024 was 22 yards, while starting 15 games.

I can get 558 yards rushing with 2 TD from an undrafted rookie, but Etienne has shown he can be explosive and create mis-matches in the passing game. He’s also a low-mileage back that’s capable of giving you double digit touchdowns.

Which ever way they decide to go, I’ll be ok with it because either way Bigsby is primed for a breakout year. Bigsby started just 1 game last year and was 234 yards shy of a 1,000 yard season, with 7 rushing touchdowns. Probably could’ve got 9 or 10 if he started full time.

Etienne ranks 4th on the Jaguars all-time rush list with 2691 yards.

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Next year our shiny object brigade currently is
RB - ET & Tank
TE - Engram & Strange
WR - BJT, Kirk, Davis, Duvernay, Washington

These guys are as good as any brigade on any team in the NFL. Their production has been muted by the lack of a good offensive line. Adding more shiney object at the expense of the offensive line will only add more shiny objects that will give us muted production. That is not a good expediture of resources. (opinion) I can see them adding in the later rounds for support or some less expensive FA options on a one year deal.

ps. ETN is under contract for next year. He will be here for 2025.

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A new broom always sweeps clean.

I don’t think Etienne has a place on the team. They might do a 1 year deal to provide insurance at the RB position. After back to back 1400 all-purpose yard seasons he had just 812 yards with only 558 yards rushing. Etienne only scored 2 touchdowns in 2024, after scoring 17 touchdowns over the last 2 seasons prior.

Career long rush in 2022 was 62 yards and added another 62 yard run in 2023. His longest rush in 2024 was 22 yards, while starting 15 games.

I can get 558 yards rushing with 2 TD from an undrafted rookie, but Etienne has shown he can be explosive and create mis-matches in the passing game. He’s also a low-mileage back that’s capable of giving you double digit touchdowns.

Which ever way they decide to go, I’ll be ok with it because either way Bigsby is primed for a breakout year. Bigsby started just 1 game last year and was 234 yards shy of a 1,000 yard season, with 7 rushing touchdowns. Probably could’ve got 9 or 10 if he started full time.

Etienne ranks 4th on the Jaguars all-time rush list with 2691 yards.

I think ETN will have a prominent place on this team once the O line is sorted out and Coen installs his offensive philosophy.

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I think ETN will stay, Coen seems to like passing the rock around and don’t create a need when you don’t need to

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They picked up ETN's 5th year, so he's playing here as his salary is already guaranteed.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Next year our shiny object brigade currently is
RB - ET & Tank
TE - Engram & Strange
WR - BJT, Kirk, Davis, Duvernay, Washington

These guys are as good as any brigade on any team in the NFL. Their production has been muted by the lack of a good offensive line. Adding more shiney object at the expense of the offensive line will only add more shiny objects that will give us muted production. That is not a good expediture of resources. (opinion)  I can see them adding in the later rounds for support or some less expensive FA options on a one year deal. 

ps.  ETN is under contract for next year.  He will be here for 2025.

In 2008, Derrick Harvey was under contract for 5 seasons which would have been until 2012 but he was released by the Jaguars after his 3rd season.

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Next year our shiny object brigade currently is
RB - ET & Tank
TE - Engram & Strange
WR - BJT, Kirk, Davis, Duvernay, Washington

These guys are as good as any brigade on any team in the NFL. Their production has been muted by the lack of a good offensive line. Adding more shiney object at the expense of the offensive line will only add more shiny objects that will give us muted production. That is not a good expediture of resources. (opinion)  I can see them adding in the later rounds for support or some less expensive FA options on a one year deal. 

ps.  ETN is under contract for next year.  He will be here for 2025.

In 2008, Derrick Harvey was under contract for 5 seasons which would have been until 2012 but he was released by the Jaguars after his 3rd season.

Lol, 1. I wouldn't base anyting going forward off of the cluster [BLEEP] that was that front office, 2. ETN is a competent player and comparing him to Harvey is absurd, and 3. I've never seen someone so anxious to throw away cap dollars they way you're proposing.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Normally don’t get caught up contracts but I was interested in what the Jaguars will do with Kirk, Etienne, and Scherff for 2025. 

Sporttrac..com is showing that Kirk has received a couple of GM/Workout bonuses in 2025. I forgot that he restructured his salary in 2023 and converted that into a signing bonus. He did the same thing in 2024, and soorttract.com is showing that he did it again for 2025. Kirk holds a 8.7% cap hit, which is the highest on the team.

I’m hoping this means Kirk will be with the Jaguars for the 2025 season. Kirk, Thomas, Engram, Washington and Lawrence gives the Jaguars offense plenty of fire power. 


If Kirk is released post-June 1, his cap savings would be around $10.5 Million. 

The Jaguars are in decent shape in cap, ranking 15th in the NFL, even though Walker Little is the 4th highest base salary-paid Jaguar, while Armstead is 5th.

If Scherff is released = $13M cap savings 

If Hamilton is released = $4.3M cap savings

If they can trade Etienne = $6.1M cap savings. He signed a 5th year option in April of last year. As of right now, he has a cap hit of $6.1M, while Bigsby will only cost the Jaguars around $1.2M in 2025.

I am against releasing Kirk as we would take a 13M deadcap hit meaning we would need to replace his production for about 10M. We have much more dire needs to use our draft resources on.

Scherff is not under contract with the Jags, so we cannot cut someone not under contract.  The 13M is a cap hit we have no choice

You need to review the Hamilton contract if we cut him it would be a 4.3M loss not savings. Just got your signs mixed up. If we cut him next year there is a 3.4M savings.

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A new broom always sweeps clean.

I'm sure that there will be much discussion on whether or not to keep Kirk on the roster. Coen may be tempted to pursue Chris Godwin- someone he is very familiar with to replace Kirk or even Tee Higgins despite his high price tag. Personally, I'd keep Kirk for at least one more season. Despite his injury problems the past 2 seasons, he and Lawrence have great rapport and I'm betting on him to remain healthy in 2025. Equally important is the fact that free agent wide receivers are historically vastly overpaid and I'd rather the Jaguars sign a cornerback and/or safety in free agency.

The Etienne decision may also be a difficult one for Coen to decide on. Last season, emerging star Bucky Irving took over as the team's lead back. Irving was selected in the 4th round and Coen may decide he can replicate Irving's success with a mid-round draft pick in April. When looking at this year's deep draft class, I could see the Jaguars selecting someone like Brashard Smith, who has a similar skillset to Irving and is predicted to be drafted in the same range. At the least, Smith would become a good 3rd down option due to his pass catching skills while the best case scenario would be he becomes like another Irving and eventually becomes the number 1 back.

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I'm sure that there will be much discussion on whether or not to keep Kirk on the roster. Coen may be tempted to pursue Chris Godwin- someone he is very familiar with to replace Kirk or even Tee Higgins despite his high price tag. Personally, I'd keep Kirk for at least one more season. Despite his injury problems the past 2 seasons, he and Lawrence have great rapport and I'm betting on him to remain healthy in 2025. Equally important is the fact that free agent wide receivers are historically vastly overpaid and I'd rather the Jaguars sign a cornerback and/or safety in free agency.

The Etienne decision may also be a difficult one for Coen to decide on. Last season, emerging star Bucky Irving took over as the team's lead back. Irving was selected in the 4th round and Coen may decide he can replicate Irving's success with a mid-round draft pick in April. When looking at this year's deep draft class, I could see the Jaguars selecting someone like Brashard Smith, who has a similar skillset to Irving and is predicted to be drafted in the same range. At the least, Smith would become a good 3rd down option due to his pass catching skills while the best case scenario would be he becomes like another Irving and eventually becomes the number 1 back.

The issue with that is that ETN is going to be $6 million against the cap (no one is reasonably trading for that number IMO), so why would you pay a rookie $6 million plus his rookie number to play the position when ETN is only here one more year. It's the same argument with Kirk, this team in his first year shouldn't just cut a bunch of vets who will be exiting naturally the following year. Spend those dollars and capital on the other positions of need that are more challenging to find than running back or #3 wide out. This wouldn't even be a discussion if Baalke hadn't screwed us over by picking up the option, but it was just one more middle finger to us on his way out.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

I vote for Kirk to be released. Spend $$ on the line of scrimmage (major weaknesses). Heck, even when Kirk was at his best a few years ago, he still had a lot of key drops that cost us games. The past few years, he's been a non-factor and vastly overpaid in correlation with his production.

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I'm sure that there will be much discussion on whether or not to keep Kirk on the roster. Coen may be tempted to pursue Chris Godwin- someone he is very familiar with to replace Kirk or even Tee Higgins despite his high price tag. Personally, I'd keep Kirk for at least one more season. Despite his injury problems the past 2 seasons, he and Lawrence have great rapport and I'm betting on him to remain healthy in 2025. Equally important is the fact that free agent wide receivers are historically vastly overpaid and I'd rather the Jaguars sign a cornerback and/or safety in free agency.

The Etienne decision may also be a difficult one for Coen to decide on. Last season, emerging star Bucky Irving took over as the team's lead back. Irving was selected in the 4th round and Coen may decide he can replicate Irving's success with a mid-round draft pick in April. When looking at this year's deep draft class, I could see the Jaguars selecting someone like Brashard Smith, who has a similar skillset to Irving and is predicted to be drafted in the same range. At the least, Smith would become a good 3rd down option due to his pass catching skills while the best case scenario would be he becomes like another Irving and eventually becomes the number 1 back.

The issue with that is that ETN is going to be $6 million against the cap (no one is reasonably trading for that number IMO), so why would you pay a rookie $6 million plus his rookie number to play the position when ETN is only here one more year. It's the same argument with Kirk, this team in his first year shouldn't just cut a bunch of vets who will be exiting naturally the following year. Spend those dollars and capital on the other positions of need that are more challenging to find than running back or #3 wide out. This wouldn't even be a discussion if Baalke hadn't screwed us over by picking up the option, but it was just one more middle finger to us on his way out.

The option was picked up last offseason where he had come off of a season of producing a little under 1500 all purpose yards with 12 total TDs in 2023.  It wasn't a mistake given what we knew at the time.  He had a bad year in 2024.  Many on the team did though.  As I've mentioned many times before, there is plenty of blame to go around for that, but I wouldn't necessarily hang the guy out to dry moving forward either.  I don't think what we saw in 2024 of Travis is what we're going to see in 2025, but it's definitely something worth monitoring early on in the season.

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I like Kirk and he’s good with Lawrence. Bring him back if you can. Etn will look a lot better under a better offensive scheme.

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I vote for Kirk to be released.  Spend $$ on the line of scrimmage (major weaknesses).  Heck, even when Kirk was at his best a few years ago, he still had a lot of key drops that cost us games.  The past few years, he's been a non-factor and vastly overpaid in correlation with his production.

I see him as a ham sammich trade if we pick up a WR on day 1 or 2 of the darft.

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Jaguars sign free agent WR, Louis Reese-Zammit from the practice squad. Played with Kansas City Chiefs. Made a couple of plays on special teams last preseason. Took some handoffs in the backfield and caught a screen pass.

He has some open field breakaway speed but at 6’3 he struggles with accelerating. He offers some gunner ability and excels running down under kicks/punts.

Comes from a rugby background from the United Kingdom.

Jaguars also sign QB John Wolford over from the Rams where he started 3 games last year. He tossed 1 TD and 3 picks. QB Rating of 64% and a QBR of 24.2 - nothing to see here

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The issue with that is that ETN is going to be $6 million against the cap (no one is reasonably trading for that number IMO), so why would you pay a rookie $6 million plus his rookie number to play the position when ETN is only here one more year. It's the same argument with Kirk, this team in his first year shouldn't just cut a bunch of vets who will be exiting naturally the following year. Spend those dollars and capital on the other positions of need that are more challenging to find than running back or #3 wide out. This wouldn't even be a discussion if Baalke hadn't screwed us over by picking up the option, but it was just one more middle finger to us on his way out.

The option was picked up last offseason where he had come off of a season of producing a little under 1500 all purpose yards with 12 total TDs in 2023.  It wasn't a mistake given what we knew at the time.  He had a bad year in 2024.  Many on the team did though.  As I've mentioned many times before, there is plenty of blame to go around for that, but I wouldn't necessarily hang the guy out to dry moving forward either.  I don't think what we saw in 2024 of Travis is what we're going to see in 2025, but it's definitely something worth monitoring early on in the season.

If we were paying attention we saw him get dinged up repeatedly and his production decline by almost 1.5ypc in 2023 even while taking on almost 70 more touches, all signs of the pending decline. When backs hit the cliff's edge you move on from them, you don't extend them. Now we're going to either trade him for peanuts (likely less than the comp pick would've been awarded if he signed elsewhere), pay him too much (speculative I know, but I think his production isn't coming back), cut him and take a big hit ($6.1), or extend him and make it even worse. There's really not a good option in the bunch but the best is likely trade him and free up the dollars even at a relative loss by getting back a 6 or 7 in 2 years in return.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato